From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #422 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, December 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 422 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:28:04 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Dual Sport vs. KLR Mailing List Eric Rhodes wrote: "I'd like to add my vote for keeping the list specific to KLR... This is the only mailing list I'm on, I just don't have the time for more general-purpose stuff, I need the specificity offered here." Yo tambien (i.e., "me too"). Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:53:52 -0500 From: "Scott D. Warstler" Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR - Dual Sport List vs. KLR Specific List The current list (good as it may be) is far from being KLR specific. I vote for a NEW list that is actually KLR specific, with only KLR technical issues/discussion allowed. FWIW - --------------------------------------------- Politically correct greetings/salutations/ and best holiday/season wishes to all good listers! Scott , A3 OH (currently the frozen tundra) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:26:49 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR - Dual Sport List vs. KLR Specific List On 12/23/98, omegacolor@sssnet.com wrote: snip >The current list (good as it may be) >is far from being KLR specific. >I vote for a NEW list that is actually KLR specific, >with only KLR technical issues/discussion allowed. There is precedent for this. Invariably over the years after a list reaches a critical mass, the listers who crave a little humor sprinkled with raw data clash with those listers who seek "just the facts ma'am". One solution I've seen is branching the list in two. The second list becomes a dry, technical reading that has it's posts forwarded to the original list that remains more of a free for all. It takes all kinds to make this beautiful world go 'round. Have I made it clear which list I'd subscribe to? Redondo Ron (always seeking specificity and clarity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:39:15 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: NKLR - Dual Sport List vs. KLR Specific List - -----Original Message----- From: Scott D. Warstler To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR - Dual Sport List vs. KLR Specific List >The current list (good as it may be) >is far from being KLR specific. > >I vote for a NEW list that is actually KLR specific, >with only KLR technical issues/discussion allowed. > >FWIW >--------------------------------------------- >Politically correct greetings/salutations/ and >best holiday/season wishes to all good listers! > >Scott , A3 OH (currently the frozen tundra) > Scott, maybe you could try the NKLR thing out for all of us...set one of your filters to Subject= 'NKLR' and then either have those messages deleted or routed to a folder separate from your KLR inbox. Periodically you could provide a barometer of how we are doing with inserting "NKLR" (No KLR won't work folks) in the subject of posts that are "off-topic" (narrowly understood). Thanks for your input, Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:55:37 -0500 From: Guy Cheney Subject: (klr650) KISS the List Hey all, As a FNG on the list I gotta tell you that its KLR specificity is the dra= w for me. Most everything is relevant and I don't need to sift through a lotta kagata to be informed and entertained. My questions about luggage and sprockets have yielded invaluable advice from folks who have been there. Now I even know that "NKLR" means "non - KLR" and not "NUCLEAR". I was thinking that must be one hopped up 650. ( Thought that must have somethi= ng to do with the Sandia Lab connection. ) Meanwhile, does anybody know the torque for the retaining nut on the fron= t drive chain sprocket of a '96? Enquiring minds want to know. Even more= , they want to ride this weekend! Happy Holidaze, Guy Cheney = ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:48:55 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Sport Mailing List vs KLR Mailing List > I cast my vote for the horizon broadening, forward thinking, endlessly entertaining list of the year in renaming this list: > > The Dual Sport Mailing List > >(Beat the drums, bring out the beer, er lets ride first!) > Dan, et. al., here is what I don't understand...and I ask this innocently. The DUST list already exists and can use more chatter. Here is the Mailing List round-up description: DUST: DESCRIPTION: DUal-Sport-Touring discussion list DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes ADMIN ADDRESS: listproc@dorje.com TO SUBSCRIBE: Message body: "subscribe DUST [person's name]" LIST OWNER: gnome@dorje.com WWW URL: http://www.dorje.com:8080/mailing-lists/dust/ A number of KLR listers subscribe to DUST (including moi) and contribute every now and then. So, why wouldn't this be the logical list to entertain a growing Dual Sport enthusiasts crowd until such time that there is enough clamor or initiative for additonal bike-specific lists (for example, I'm surprised there isn't a DR-350 list). BTW, Marick Payton started the KLX650 list last spring and it seems to provide a useful forum... Kurt (currently subscribed to KLR650, KLR650-digest, GS, DUST, KLX650) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:57:49 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KISS the List >Meanwhile, does anybody know the torque for the retaining nut on the front >drive chain sprocket of a '96? Enquiring minds want to know. Even more, >they want to ride this weekend! >Happy Holidaze, >Guy Cheney Guy, I was looking for this info yesterday and the problem is that the two manuals only go up to '96 with the older sprocket type. So there are no torque values. This makes me suspicious that there must, in fact, we an additional supplement for factory certified mechanics. Fred, do you have this spec? I know with mine it took a cheater bar and a couple of guys standing on the rear brake and me standing on the cheater bar to break it. So, it is a lot. I can't find anything in the archives either. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:14:00 -0500 From: duftler@us.ibm.com Subject: (klr650) Re: Keep the list KLR. I vote to keep the list KLR specific (is this thing a democracy?). I think both the newsletter and the web page serve a great purpose by being basically mainstream, with more specific sections being available if the reader/user wants. The list however (IMO), would not be doing a great service to anybody by becoming just another generic dual-sport mailing list; these things exist already, and they do a fine job. I think one of the reasons why the newsletter and web page do a good job is because Gino and Bill (and all the contributors) put a lot of time & effort into making them look nice, filling them with good info., and constantly changing/updating them. This is different than the list, which is a collection of emails (+ the resident list-Nazi, Kurt :-)). What makes it special is the fact that it is KLR specific! If it becomes more generic, I believe that many of the real hardcore listers (fanatics), who make the list great, are going to lose some interest, and that would be a shame. I think it would serve everyone much better to keep the list KLR specific, and if the need arises, create lists specific to other brands (similar to the way the web site seems to be evolving). The posts about other brands are all very interesting, and I think they add to the content. But the KLR-specific stuff is what keeps many of us coming back. I like the whole KLR / NKLR thing. Just my opinion, Matt Duftler Tarrytown, NY (Skip, eat your heart out. We have a balmy, spring-like temperature of about 1 degree today.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:31:59 -0500 From: "Brian Schoonveld" Subject: (klr650) '99 KLR in stock Just a quick note in case anyone looking for a new KLR to put under the Christmas tree and consider Indianapolis to be close enough. A dealership who I had been talking to prior to purchasing my KLR called yesterday and said the KLR they had had on order was finally there. They were going to sell it to me for $4500. I ended up buying mine from a different dealer for $4225, but don't know if the guy would do that deal again or not. If anyone is interested, email me and I can send you the specifics. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:46:53 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Sport Mailing List vs KLR Mailing List - ---------- > From: James Boyles > > I would suggest that as long as KLR or NKLR appears on the subject line > most everybody could be happy. If you do not wish to read NKLR, do the > delete thing. The reverse is also true. > > I would like to be able to read about all Dual Sport bikes, both the > good and the not so good. I am throughly pleased with my 92 KLR but I > am not brand conscious. There may come a time when another brand comes > up with a feature that trips my trigger, just like the KLR did. KHI may > be that manufacturer, who knows? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:49:46 PST From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: (klr650) Re: Dual Sport vs. KLR Mailing List <> I agree. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:54:05 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Stumping for the list Kurt- I'd like to echo the sentiments of my fellow KLR listers who've weighed in so far on this most important topic. LET US KEEP IT! All the points in favor of keeping it KLR650 specific are valid. I used to subscribe to DUST and while it is also a fine list with good folks, I had to drop one of them due to the time sink dilemma. I've learned more in the past year from this listserve, about my bike, than I could've in 5 years elsewhere. Thanks for investing your time and effort in this endeavor. It is appreciated. Thanks to the regulars (you know who you are) for being a sounding board and providing invaluable insight to and about (as Gino would say), the greatest dual sport motorcycle in the world! Season's Greetings everyone, Darrel A12 "Avenger" L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:10:38 PST From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR - Dual Sport List vs. KLR Specific List >I vote for a NEW list that is actually KLR specific, >with only KLR technical issues/discussion allowed. I've seen this happen with other lists. Sometimes it works. Usually it ends up with most people subscribed to both lists, and most messages being sent to both. With the exception of the occasional joke or specific question regarding a different bike, this list has stayed on topic better than most I've been on. And then, you have to define what constitutes a "technical issue". Most people would agree that a "how about a get-together" message wouldn't qualify, but what about the merits of the various aftermarket shocks/seats/fenders? Saddlebags? Riding wear? My opinion is that this list is just fine the way it is; topics of interest to KLR riders. True, it sometimes it gets more "riders" oriented than "KLR", but that's OK. I'd rather not see the posts specific to other bikes, but they usually go away rather quickly. Just my $0.03 (after adjusting for inflation) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:09:18 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) NKLR filter setup >Kurt, > I have set up a separate KLR inbox folder and a "rule" to have the KLR >posts go there. Works very well. Regarding the post below and your reply, >how do I establish a NKLR folder? If I've got rules looking for both KLR650 >and NKLR, how will it be determined which box it goes into, as the subject >line usually/often contains both targets? In other words, is there a way to >set NKLR as a priority if present? thanks. > Brian, I just did this for myself to ensure that it works. I use Outlook Express (excellent e-mail program for managing multiple accounts) and after creating the filter you move it up or down in the list of filters to establish priority. So, in your case, you would need to move the NKLR filter 'up' at least above a KLR filter. In my case, I filter off klr650 so I suspect they would both work regardless of their priority. I'll check Netscape... If anyone has trouble making the filter thing work (don't be shy, I didn't even know about filters for my first two years of emailing, let me know off-list). Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:36:35 -0500 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) KLR650 LIST Have gone back and changed some pages to make the LIST more KLR650 specific again - added the suggestion of being able to submit a question to the LIST from the KLR650 page on the Dual Sport Web Site. Please change your "bookmark" to have the Web Page URL www.dualsport.org - either will work - just like to have one URL after a couple of months. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:34:13 -0500 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) New article - carb cleaning and jetting Jake Jakeman just mailed me an article on cleaning and jetting the KLR650 Carb - just posted the finished article. Check it out at: http://www.dualsport.org/page4.html Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:10 -0500 From: "Brian Schoonveld" Subject: (klr650) Exhaust sound Cameron writes: ........ The bike is terminally loud (sounds like a Harley with a hole in the pipe), but it REALLY performs now ........ Also, It has a nice roar. It no longer putts, instead in rumbles Would love to get a WAVE file made of your exhaust sound for the list. Anyway to do this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:56:14 -0500 From: "Dan Paulsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Sport Mailing List vs KLR Mailing List >Dan, et. al., here is what I don't understand...and I ask this innocently. >The DUST list already exists and can use more chatter. Here is the Mailing >List round-up description: > >DUST: > DESCRIPTION: DUal-Sport-Touring discussion list > DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes > ADMIN ADDRESS: listproc@dorje.com > TO SUBSCRIBE: Message body: "subscribe DUST [person's name]" > LIST OWNER: gnome@dorje.com > WWW URL: http://www.dorje.com:8080/mailing-lists/dust/ > >A number of KLR listers subscribe to DUST (including moi) and contribute >every now and then. So, why wouldn't this be the logical list to entertain a >growing Dual Sport enthusiasts crowd until such time that there is enough >clamor or initiative for additonal bike-specific lists (for example, I'm >surprised there isn't a DR-350 list). BTW, Marick Payton started the KLX650 >list last spring and it seems to provide a useful forum... > >Kurt (currently subscribed to KLR650, KLR650-digest, GS, DUST, KLX650) > > Yes! You have provided me with what I hope is the list I've been wanting. I re-cast my vote as to be KLR^%) list to stay specific as I been (re)educated. ;#) Now how do I get to Marick's KLX list. Yea, I been looking at KLX in search engines but these have not been showin' Thanks, Find out how you can win a trip to Nassau in the Bahamas: http://www.dunloptire.com Signup for your FREE Dunlop Rider E-Mail account at: http://www.handleit.net ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #422 ****************************