From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V1 #480 Reply-To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, January 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 480 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:07:33 -0500 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit Thanks, Kurt. - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Cloudhid@aol.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: michael123@prodigy.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 7:36 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit - -----Original Message----- From: Cloudhid@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: michael123@prodigy.net Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:48 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit > >On 1/22/99, michael123@prodigy.net writes: snip > >>I need to replace all the o-rings, gasket, etc... >>The carb is already apart and the rubber has >>begun to crack. Any advice, sources, or part numbers... Ron and others, with the price of a diaphragm over $100 alone when does it become reasonable to go for a new carb? Haven't I read about Mikuni kits for DR's and KTM's for under $300? If a person was to get a new carb would you recommend a non-CV.... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:08:36 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit On 1/23/99, ajax@xmission.com writes: >with the price of a diaphragm over $100 alone when does it become reasonable to go for a new carb? ......Mikuni kits for DR's and KTM's for >under $300? If a.....new carb would you recommend a non-CV.... I agree with Fred and Mr_T's thoughts. The most expensive pieces on a rebuild would be the diaphragm/slide and the cut off diaphragm. Assuming these parts don't need to be replaced, the balance of rubber parts can't be over $25. You may opt for a conventional slide anyway, but I'm not aware of any that are a simple drop in solution for the klr. Be prepared to buy other parts to make it fit, possibly even grinding on the frame to make it fit. Not for the faint of heart. The good news is that there are a lot of tuning parts and info out there on these 'racing' carbs. If diagrams are your cup of tea, you'll love this site. http://www.sudco.com/index2.html Redondo Ron (who for now is making do with the cvk40) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:16:53 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit - -----Original Message----- From: Cloudhid@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: ajax@xmission.com ; tedp@replicant.apana.org.au ; moabmc@lasal.net ; michael123@prodigy.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit > >On 1/23/99, ajax@xmission.com writes: > >>with the price of a diaphragm over $100 alone when does it become >reasonable to go for a new carb? ......Mikuni kits for DR's and KTM's for >>under $300? If a.....new carb would you recommend a non-CV.... > > > I agree with Fred and Mr_T's thoughts. The most expensive pieces > on a rebuild would be the diaphragm/slide and the cut off diaphragm. > Assuming these parts don't need to be replaced, the balance of > rubber parts can't be over $25. > > You may opt for a conventional slide anyway, but I'm not aware > of any that are a simple drop in solution for the klr. Be prepared > to buy other parts to make it fit, possibly even grinding on the > frame to make it fit. Not for the faint of heart. > > The good news is that there are a lot of tuning parts and info > out there on these 'racing' carbs. If diagrams are your cup of > tea, you'll love this site. > http://www.sudco.com/index2.html > > Redondo Ron (who for now is making do with the cvk40) > According to White Bros. the Mikuni Kit doesn't require any other parts for the installation. It uses the stock air box. I have the photo scanned of you would like to see it. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:42:13 -0800 From: George Basinet Subject: Re: (klr650) Initial impression: MAP Engineering OversizeRotor Kit for KLR 650 Tom Simpson wrote: > At 07:20 AM 1/22/99 -0500, MRatta@ADE.com wrote: > >I dont know if the KLR is the ideal platform for increased braking > >performance... It has long forks that tend to dive under heavy braking and > >that single disc can pull the forks to the side a bit. I might try some > >steel braided lines first. > > Already done. It provides you with a much beter "feel" for what you are > doing but dose little if anything to help with total braking power. > > The bottom line is, I gotta' get more work out of the front brake. I lock > up the rear more often than is wise when I get into a pinch. I am running > Progrerssive springs and am going to 15 wt. fork oil, so dive should be > manageable. No solution is perfect and Ill probably wash out the front tire > and dump it the next time I take it on dirt, but the bike spend %98 of its > life on the street. I'll take my chances. > > -Tom > '96 KLR 650 Although I don't have the MAP oversize rotor, I found that the stainless steel brake line (Fred's) was a bigger improvement than the oversize rotor I installed. George San Jose, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:08:15 +0000 From: Alex Jomarron Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) list parameters Religion, politics, the exisitence of extraterrestrials, and Amway are frowned upon, right? The Silver Rule: You like what you like, I like what I like. Leave me alone. Gee, if people followed this and the Golden Rule the world would be a peaceful place. Oh, oh.....I better include philosophy in that list!!!!! ;-))))))) Alex in Oak Park <----always amazed at the lame attempts people make to sway others opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:09:58 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit Ok I finally have it done. Check it out... http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/images/MikuniCarb.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:24:16 -0600 From: "Jim Sprecker" Subject: (klr650) politics? This has to be one of the most political correct places to try and communicate with. If your going to leave a message here make sure it doesn't infrige on someones religion, race, sex, political opinions, etc. Because if you do, you'll be mud... But if you have a problem with your klr, you've found a welcome home with plenty of knowledgable folks.... - ------------------------------------------------ > sprecker@inetnebr.com < - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:56:47 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: (klr650) Mikuni slide carby on KLRs Fred Hink wrote: > -----Original Message----- [...] > Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit [...] > The prices of the rest of the "rebuild kit" would total more than $50, > diaphram is like $140. I sell the Mikuni performance carb for the KLR for > $205.59. This is interesting. Which Mikuni model is this? Is the Mikuni a bolt on conversion for the KLRs? No doubt there is some variation in the throttle cable end, but how about the flange diameters on each end of the carby? Choke system? Flange to flange length? I take it there are known base jet settings for the 650, but how about the honourable ancestor, the 600? I'm looking for some better throttle response and better top end. Hell, just pulling a mono off the throttle would be nice. Mister_T and BigRed, thumping it to the streets of Melbourne Australia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:02:20 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit Fred Hink wrote: [Mikuni carb] > If anyone wants to see a photo of this carb I just mentioned send me a note > and I will scan it and send it to you. Why not just add it to the website for the good of all? Or is it a copyright thing? Mister_T (full of questions today) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:05:29 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Mikuni slide carby on KLRs - -----Original Message----- From: Ted Palmer To: klr650 ; Fred Hink Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 3:01 AM Subject: (klr650) Mikuni slide carby on KLRs >Fred Hink wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >[...] >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit >[...] >> The prices of the rest of the "rebuild kit" would total more than $50, >> diaphram is like $140. I sell the Mikuni performance carb for the KLR for >> $205.59. > >This is interesting. Which Mikuni model is this? >Is the Mikuni a bolt on conversion for the KLRs? >No doubt there is some variation in the throttle cable end, but how >about the flange diameters on each end of the carby? >Choke system? Flange to flange length? >I take it there are known base jet settings for the 650, but how about >the honourable ancestor, the 600? > >I'm looking for some better throttle response and better top end. >Hell, just pulling a mono off the throttle would be nice. > >Mister_T and BigRed, thumping it to the streets of Melbourne Australia. > > > Hey Ted, Check out my web page. I have all the info on your carby there. There is even a carb especially for the KLR600. It is hard to read the fine print but it says for the KLR600 that it only fits the kick start model only. It should be a bolt-on installation. The choke is a pull knob on the top of the carb which is not as nice as the cable. But there may be a cable upgrade too. Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html *NEW* 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:04:33 -0500 From: Jimmy James Subject: (klr650) aux lights have any of you added driving lamps (about 50 watts ea.) without killing = your battery, etc? can they be run continuosly? i'm new on this list. = i haven't bought my klr yet. anybody know the alternator output? = anybody run cb radios or electric vests? i sure would appreciate any = feedback on electrical capabilities. thanx. jim james, sumter, sc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:07:07 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb rebuild kit I wrote: [Fred's Mikuni picture] > Why not just add it to the website for the good of all? Or is it a > copyright thing? Whoops, posted too quick, it's already there. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:19:14 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Mikuni slide carby on KLRs Fred Hink wrote: [...] > There is > even a carb especially for the KLR600. It is hard to read the fine print > but it says for the KLR600 that it only fits the kick start model only. You've pre-empted my next question. Ah bugger, I've got an '85 B1, with lecky leg. Maybe I'll have to go back to weird ideas like bodging on a turbo unit from a Honda CX500T. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:36:13 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Turbo ON 1/23/99, tedp@replicant.apana.org.au writes: SNIP >Maybe I'll have to go back to weird ideas like bodging on a turbo YES......Run with it Mister_T. As long as you're going that far, how about retrofitting a fuel injection system? Redondo Ron - winter bench racing from the Northern Hemisphere ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:47:55 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb Adjustment Tools On 1/23/99, michael123@prodigy.net writes: snip >BTW, has anyone come up with a way to easily (without burning >fingers) adjust the mixture while the engine is running? At the >klr650 I see adescription about a tool from "Jakes"... Kurt can fill you in on Jake's tool. I'm currently testing a new pilot screw that has an integrated thumb adjuster. You can literally tune it on the fly. When I finish testing it I'll post the results. Here's a site showing it next to the stock screw. http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/pilotscrew.jpg Redondo Ron (who's as screwed up as ever) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:52:32 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb Adjustment Tools |>BTW, has anyone come up with a way to easily (without burning |>fingers) adjust the mixture while the engine is running? At the |>klr650 I see adescription about a tool from "Jakes"... Yeah, Jake made two different designs of this. He called the first one "pilot adjustment tool" and the second "son, of pilot adjustment tool". He makes them by hand. They both work. He sells them for not much more than the cost of shipping...it is a zen, karma thing..he will also send you (without cost) some Indian beadwork and some native grasses to put in your possibilities bag. He is a great and interesting guy...all-heart. I have both and will be pleased to send the original to the first person who sends me their name and address...please send it offlist... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:56:02 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) aux lights Jimmy, this has been around many times but don't let that stop you from asking up. The latest is that Eric was researching a place that might be able to get us some more watts...I don't think he has given us an update on that yet. I can search the archives for you if you like. But, as I recall the total output is about 175-185 watts. Gino runs a pair of the Saeng nitecutters with the 35 W bulbs...Tom, has some Wal-mart specials but he has done some auxillary wiring with relays. I'm looking at buying a pair of motolights. And lots of folks are using PIAA bulbs that give off the equivalent light without so much watt drain. Let me know if you need more info. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:13:59 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb Adjustment Tools - -----Original Message----- From: Cloudhid@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: michael123@prodigy.net ; ajax@xmission.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 3:57 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Carb Adjustment Tools Here's a site showing it next to the stock screw. > http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/pilotscrew.jpg > > Redondo Ron (who's as screwed up as ever) > > > Nice looking adjustable pilotscrew!!! That will be a godsend. One recomendation I would make is to make it able to lock somehow. Maybe insert a small piece of nylon in the threads to keep the adjustment from changing too easily. I have seen several pilotscrews way out of adjustment and the only thing I can figure is from vibration. Keep up the good work! Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:26:02 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: (klr650) aux lights I run a set of Hella 500 aux lamps wired in series (not the standard parallel the instructions call for) to lower the 100 watt draw they make. They now run at 55 total watts for both and when coupled with my high beam, draw about 120 watts. I live in Fla so the heated clothing I have never considered. Jake in Jacksonville ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:24:59 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) aux lights - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Jimmy James ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 5:01 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) aux lights >Jimmy, this has been around many times but don't let that stop you from asking >up. The latest is that Eric was researching a place that might be able to get us >some more watts... I have done business with Carl Shoup Enterprise in the past and he does great work. He rewinds stators for a living. He can rewind your stator to have it put out more juice to your specs. You can reach his business at: Shoup Enterprise 3172 Glendam Dr. Grand Junction, Co. 81504 (970) 434-0906 Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html *NEW* 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V1 #480 ****************************