From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #16 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, February 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 016 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:50:56 -0700 From: "Tim Bernard" Subject: Re: (klr650) MAP rotor too much stopping power in a panic stop? I think caution should be used here!! Someone will bite the big one like I did. Rim locks are Ok, but they are part of a system. If the tire has no sidewall strenth & you run low pressure even with a rim lock you will go down. If you choose to run a very stiff tire, run low pressure & use a rim lock this can be OK. I have run rim locks & have been happy with them, but even with a rim lock & typical KLR replacement tires you better run 23 psi min. front & 25 psi min rear. A K139 on the front of a KLR works good, has a stiff side wall work good with a rim lock and get even be ridden at speed when flat. Be extremely careful with air pressure. I experimented and failed miserably at a high rate of speed. Just the facts. Happy Trails Tim - -----Original Message----- From: Krgrife@aol.com To: ericjazz@mindspring.com Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) MAP rotor too much stopping power in a panic stop? >In a message dated 2/4/99 3:56:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, >ericjazz@mindspring.com writes: > >> >> I agree with the concern of front wheel traction, but perhaps of greater >> concern is spinning the wheel within the tire. I think I'll stick rimlocks >> on both rims while I'm at it. Question to the group: Has anyone done this >> to their KLR? Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. >When off pavement I run 15-18 lbs front and 20 lbs in the rear and in many, >many miles of dirt and rough road riding have not spun a rim in the tire. I >know real dirt riders go as low as 12-13 lbs of air and then I think rim locks >would be necessary. I'm sure that the stiffness of the sidewall is a big >factor here also, I'm running pretty stiff tires (Kenda K270). >Kurt Grife > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:04:46 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info Anyone have any input on backpacks? Looking for a good back pack that won't get too hot and carry a fair amount of stuff. Will use it for dual sport riding. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:16:33 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info - -----Original Message----- From: Pokluda, Gino F To: KLR List Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 2:10 AM Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info >Anyone have any input on backpacks? Looking for a good back pack that won't >get too hot and carry a fair amount of stuff. Will use it for dual sport >riding. > >Gino > > I know you don't like Camelbaks but the H.A.W.G. http://www.camelbak.com/PChawg.html is a great small backpack that has the drink system built in. They are securely tied to your body so that you can't tell they are there. If a back pack moves around on you, you'll notice it and then it becomes a nuisance. I have had the Camelbak Narrowgauge for about 4 years now and I love it. I take it everytime I go riding. I can stuff all kinds of things in it like food(most important), clothing, tools and spare parts. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:25:56 -0700 From: Roy Cope Subject: (klr650) we'd still be riding DT175's >Different strokes for different folks. If we were all the same and didn't >demand change, we'd still be riding DT175's. Ah, those were the days! Roy, the old guy, Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:37:39 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) we'd still be riding DT175's >Different strokes for different folks. If we were all the same and didn't >demand change, we'd still be riding DT175's. >Ah, those were the days!< You got that right. I have fond memories of riding a DT175 around while growing up on our farm. A motorcycle, my brother's secret stash of Playboys... life was good. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:37:14 EST From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) MAP rotor too much stopping power in a panic stop? In a message dated 2/5/99 7:54:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, dlsboi@interplus.net writes: > > I think caution should be used here!! Someone will bite the big one like I > did. Rim locks are Ok, but they are part of a system. If the tire has no > sidewall strenth & you run low pressure even with a rim lock you will go > down. If you choose to run a very stiff tire, run low pressure & use a rim > lock this can be OK. I have run rim locks & have been happy with them, but > even with a rim lock & typical KLR replacement tires you better run 23 psi > min. front & 25 psi min rear. A K139 on the front of a KLR works good, has a > stiff side wall work good with a rim lock and get even be ridden at speed > when flat. > Be extremely careful with air pressure. I experimented and failed miserably > at a high rate of speed. I want to be very clear that the lower pressures I discussed in my previous post are for Off Road Only at the appropriate lower speeds. As soon as I hit pavement again the pump comes out and air is added. Kurt Grife ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:59:55 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info I have a narrow gauge and just got a Camelback Bandito...its a large fanny pack with a drinking bladder and an across the shoulder stabilizer strap. If you buy the larger size it while hold a lot, but also be small enough not to be a pain. Might be worth checking out. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink To: Pokluda, Gino F ; KLR List Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pokluda, Gino F >To: KLR List >Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 2:10 AM >Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info > > >>Anyone have any input on backpacks? Looking for a good back pack that >won't >>get too hot and carry a fair amount of stuff. Will use it for dual sport >>riding. >> >>Gino >> >> > >I know you don't like Camelbaks but the H.A.W.G. >http://www.camelbak.com/PChawg.html is a great small backpack that has the >drink system built in. They are securely tied to your body so that you >can't tell they are there. If a back pack moves around on you, you'll >notice it and then it becomes a nuisance. > >I have had the Camelbak Narrowgauge for about 4 years now and I love it. I >take it everytime I go riding. I can stuff all kinds of things in it like >food(most important), clothing, tools and spare parts. > >Fred > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:52 -0500 From: Chalz Milliken Subject: (klr650) klr650 Brakes and Women? I bet they both make you stop! Don't get me going... Chalz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:19:29 -0700 From: "Tim Bernard" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info Hey Try the NOHVCC web site they hav hooked with Ultimate Back Packs & have som great items. They all have hydration support (water) with them. I have bad shoulders & they are designed for rock climbers so they are no restrictive. Happy Trails - -----Original Message----- From: Pokluda, Gino F To: KLR List Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info >Anyone have any input on backpacks? Looking for a good back pack that won't >get too hot and carry a fair amount of stuff. Will use it for dual sport >riding. > >Gino > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:22:38 +0000 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: Re: (klr650) brakes like women Mark wrote: > >I personally like my brakes like I like my women, strong with good feel (did > >I really say that?). > > > >Gino, HEY, it's Friday, okay, Pokluda > > I like mine soft & hot. > Mark (don't stop if it feels good) Hmm. I'm tryin' here, but I just can't come up with a comparison between the brakes on my KLR and men... Maybe the CBR's brakes (hard and fast?) naw. I just got my KLR and the brakes were one of the first things I noticed in comparison to my CBR. (Well, after the riding position, different torque curve, vibration, the fact that the darn thing actually has parking lights, etc.) I figured the difference in braking was due to 2 things - I need to stiffen the rear spring slightly so all my weight isn't concentrated over the rear of the bike, and it's a dual sport - it drives differently than my CBR. I've only had one even near icky braking experience so far, and I shouldn't have gotten myself into the situation. It's not the poor bike's fault. I also managed to pick up the front wheel ever so slightly starting it up in a friend's driveway. Whee! Sarah - -- Work like you don't need the money Dance like noone is watching And love like you've never been hurt --Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:39:39 -0500 From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: Re: (klr650) brakes like women > >Hmm. I'm tryin' here, but I just can't come up with a comparison between the >brakes on my KLR and men... Maybe the CBR's brakes (hard and fast?) naw. > How about 'brakes with staying power'? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:01:37 -0800 From: Dave Wormmeester Subject: Re: (klr650) BRAKES Alan Henderson wrote: > Just to add to the discussion: > > Brake lines only effect the feel and not the actual total braking force > unless the more flexy line allows you to pull the lever all the way back to > the grip. > > After market rotors of larger diameter will increase total braking force > holding all other things the same unless the material the rotor is made > from doesn't have the same amount of friction with the pad. Yes I agree. I fear to many of us do not understand the difference between force and feel. Make sure you know what your after before you spend your hard earned dollars. Dave W Grand Rapids Mi. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:52:36 +0000 From: Tom Simpson Subject: (klr650) A ride in the coutry Went for a little ride yesterday. I found out that nothing much was going on at work so I took a day of annual leave and went for a 260 jaunt in a big loop from Columbia SC up to Charlotte NC, by way of such towns as Jenkinsville, Monroe NC, Lancaster and Great Falls. A wonderful ride in perfect weather. It never fails to amaze me how much fun the KLR is as a back roads touring machine. It gobbles up two-lane blacktop like Goldwings do interstate. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 32,300 miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:00:27 +0000 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Back pack info At 09:04 AM 2/5/99 -0700, Pokluda, Gino F wrote: >Anyone have any input on backpacks? Looking for a good back pack that won't >get too hot and carry a fair amount of stuff. Will use it for dual sport >riding. Personalym I would look at some of the military and law enforcement spec packs made by suppliers such as Eagle Industries and Blackhawk. They are rugged, functional and comfortable and meant to be used by professionals. http://www.eagleindustries.com/ http://www.blackhawkindustries.com/ One canidate: http://www.blackhawkindustries.com/cgi-bin/getdbentry.pl?page=bhcatalog.html - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:05:06 +0000 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) MAP rotor too much stopping power in a panic stop? At 09:37 AM 2/5/99 EST, FTabor231@aol.com wrote: >I'm new to this list and have enjoyed the preoccupation with the KLR's brakes. >I thought the bike was a dual purpose motorcycle and had to be reasonably good >on and off road. I used to ride a wonderful 500/2 BMW and if I needed to stop >in Iowa I would start my braking in Lincoln, NE. You had to know its limits. >One of the first things that race school teaches is riding around the track >without using your brakes. >Learning judgement is a good thing. Making expensive mods to compensate for >riding style may not be cost effective. Get a bike better suited to that >particular riding need. No matter how fast you get the front brakes to bite, >you still have to travel 9 inches of suspension before your chassis gets the >message so the rear of the bike may still be accelerating while the front is >slowing down. I think the KLR is fun. I think the KLR is fun, too. I just think its funner with better brakes in the front. :) You may hjave a motorcycle for every day of the week for all I know, but this is my primary ride (aside from the R60/7, which dad promices to replace the transmission he stole out of it before the National this summer). Whats not cost-effective is buying two or three more bikes on my slim budget. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 with mostly roll-yer-own mods, but not for the brakes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:33:19 PST From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR650 BRAKES >Your '96 is an A10, not an A12. If it is an A12 it is a '98. Sorry; brain fart. I know it's an A10. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:42:18 -0800 From: Dave Wormmeester Subject: (klr650) most miles WOW Conall at 56,444 you must have the most miles of anyone on the list. Who has the most miles on a KL-(whatever) that you bought new? Dave W ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:58:07 EST From: TRA1115@aol.com Subject: (klr650) DT 175's I've still got my first (and only) DT175.......Finally broke 2000 miles and put a set of new tires on........Still as much fun as when I got it 22 years ago.......Still looks and runs the same too!......Seems like alot of us grew up with them...... Todd 94 KLR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:00:50 EST From: MSchue5938@aol.com Subject: (klr650) mobil one i really don't think it matters that much- mobil one is so superior to cheaper non-synthetic oils i would think any grade would be more than adequate. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:39:38 -0000 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) Hydraulic clutch replacement for cable from Billetanium FYI, in the new Cycle, there is a review of a hydraulic system replacement for the clutch cable. Looked pretty good. I checked out their website, www.billetanium.com and emailed asking if they had plans to expand to other models. I received the following response shortly thereafter. - -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Keith Armbruster To: Eric Jasniewicz Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Plan to expand your product range to other models? >Eric, we would be more than happy to build a kit for the KLR650, >at this time we do not have one to develop a kit for. >Maybe you know someone in the Southern California erea that might be >interested in lending us one. >Thanks >Fred Armbruster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:54:02 -0500 From: "Daniel L. Hill" Subject: (klr650) Running Lean Hello Friends: I install a K&N filter on my 97 KLR. I still have the stock pipe on it. It seems to be running a little lean and has flat spots in the power curve. The carb has been cleaned, and a new spark plug installed. Is there a easy way to get the gas/air mixture a little richer without the expense of a total jet kit? Also, does anyone know of a parts dealer that specializes in stuff for the KLR. My local dealer has to order standard items most every time I need something. Great riding weather here on the East coast of Virginia. You know home of tasty hams and women. Thanks for the advice, Daniel Hill, danielhill@email.com, http://members.tripod.com/dlhill ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #16 ***************************