From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #29 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 029 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:35:00 -0600 From: "Desmond, Richard - TAFB/LASPO2" Subject: RE:(klr650) Location of center of gravity Eric, You're basically right, although I don't know about the "error in their calculations" part of the story. The bike was the oval piston 4-stroke 500 GP racer. They found that their polar moment of inertia about the longitudinal axis was too small, reducing the bikes stability. Putting the fuel tank back in the normal position helped. The roll axis of a bike is essentially at the height of the center of mass. Some of the other factors that affect it are the strength of the steering input and the height of rotating parts, like wheels and the crankshaft. Rich CMRA #352 '99 SV650 '97 900CR '86 RZ500 (for sale) '85 RZ350 x 2 '86 XT350 (for sale) '80 GS1000S '76 CB400 racing EX's > -----Original Message----- Does this ring a bell with anyone...I remember Honda mounting gas tank on the bottom of one of their GP roadracing bikes in the early '80s. Bike handled like crap. They then found an error in their calculations. A bike does not pivot about the contact spot (ground), the pivot point is higher. The exact point is determined by different factors, none of which I know. Sorry I can't be of more help. Engineer folks, any comments? I could be hallucinating on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:35:15 -0500 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) RE: Slipping on grips - --openmail-part-187976e6-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve wrote:>>>>>> Which of you kind learned gentlemen can tell me the proper way to slip a new grip onto the handlebar? there's got to be an easier way! <<<<<<< Steve: I always spray some spray paint into the grip on to the handlebar end before I try to push the grip on. The spray paint acts as a lubricant while wet and like glue after it dries. Works in any color ;). Pat Austin TX '97 @ 10.5K miles - --openmail-part-187976e6-00000001-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:11:23 -0800 From: Doug Elliott Subject: RE: (klr650) Slipping new grips on. alcohol and hair spray do work (I used these techniques for years), but if you want to guarantee they won't come off with really hard use, use the rubber cement sold specifically for attaching grips (such as the stuff renthal sells). It works excellently. I'll never go back to hair spray (I've also tried "contact cement" which didn't work well) Doug Elliott '85 600 Ninja '97 Gas Gas JTX 270 Trials '92 KLR650 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:15:59 -0500 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) New Information - MOAB99 Rally I have posted some new information on the MOAB99 Rally. Consists of: Pre-registration and "on site" registration fees Pre-registration form Rally Special prices on Camelbak Hydration Systems List of Rally activities and events On-line maps to Fred's and Motel/RV Park T-shirt Logo Picture Check it out. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:56:08 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Dual Sport Saga Chile...Story Leavesley Report #1 Kurt -- Sometime last year I forwarded a couple of trip reports from a dual-sporting Boulder (CO) lad who headed for South America on a BMW R80 GS he had delivered to Santiago, Chile. He was unable to send all of his trip reports until recently, and I have consolidated them in the following text. It may be of interest to KLR650 listers and others, hence the distribution. I avoided most temptations to correct the spelling and place names provided by this fellow (Story Leavesley) and the reports did not have individual dates. It's a lot of text -- don't know how this would work as a single entry on the KLR list, or if some other forum might be appropriate. If the formating of included material doesn't work on your system, I can forward an attached Word file. BTW, I will be posting some photos of several of the places he mentions, since I was in most of the same Chilean locations within the last two years. (http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3451/ ) Robert Runyard Lockheed Martin Mission Systems Colorado Springs CO 1997, 1998 KLR650s __________________________________ Series of trip reports from Story Leavesley of Boulder CO: Dual-sport ride on BMW R80 GS Nov 1998-Jan1999. Well my first day in Santiago has been nothing if not - insane! My flights to Miami and Santiago were without incident, but I was unable to sleep on the long overnight flight into Santiago so I was pretty much a zombie by the time I got here. All of my sluggishness was soon exorcised by the whitenuckle shuttle ride from the airport. Traffic is very heavy and drivers have little regard for traffic lanes. It's definitely going to be a challenge when I get my bike. Speaking of which, that was my second order of business after hooking up with Mark at the Hotel Paris. I called my shipping agent and asked her how things were going, only to hear the fateful words - "there are some problems". So I went over to her office to hear the bad news. When I got there I was told that my agent in Denver never made the appropriate arrangements before shipping the bike, so the paperwork to clear customs wasn't started and there were still missing documents! Their best guess was that it would take a week to get the bike. Welcome to Chile! After some cajoling, lots of running around, and 3 hours, my agent came bike in and said that they discovered another way to clear the bike as tourist goods. I'm going out to San Antonio to try to get the paperwork completed and I might even have the bike by Friday. Mark was having similiar issues clearing his bike but things look good for him to get his bike tomorrow! Aside from all that chaos, we stopped in the Centre district for lunch. While we were there, there were several protests going on over the recent Pinochet developments. Soon the Police moved in and broke up the crowd with tear gas and water canons. It was a little hard to eat lunch with the crowds scattering outside and the teargas stinging our eyes. Many of the shops closed for a while, but people didn't seem too shocked. Yes, I'm not in Boulder anymore! I hope everything goes smoothly tomorrow with the bikes and we can get out of this huge, intimidating city and into the more scenic parts of Chile. Stay tuned for the next installment... Hasta Luego, Story ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:32:02 -0800 From: Tom Myers Subject: Re: (klr650) How to Carry Extra Fuel? >Full size Aerostitch tank panniers were designed to carry a gallon can of fuel >on each side of the tank. Get one gallon cans, weld petcocks onto them, make >cut outs in the panniers to accomodate the petcock and fuel line and you are >set. Another method is to carry 'disposable' cells in each pannier. After the first 50 miles, you dump the left side into the gas tank and jettison the container (Antifreeze jugs work great). 50 more miles and you dump the right side in, then jettison the container. Or maybe carry the empty containers in case you need them again or to dispose of properly. When empty, an antifreeze jug will bungee easily thru its handle. If this is a race, you'll need some kind of pump setup, and petcocks etc. I surmise that this is not a race and that pouring the fuel in thru the gas cap is acceptable. As with any non-standard fuel cell, you're taking a risk that can threaten your life, a forest, all the animals and all the people in their cabins. Think about it. Ride conservatively and transfer the fuel into a safe container (your MC gas tank) as soon as space becomes available. Tom --(jealous of anyone who needs to carry more than 5 gallons) +------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 | 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | webpage: http://www.cycoactive.com | e-mail: TomMyers@cycoactive.com +------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:47:26 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: (klr650) NKLR Helge Pedersen Show Everyone, This is a purely volunteer effort: If anyone has contacts with any theatre, school auditorium, or community center that would be available for Helge Pedersen and his show "Ten Years on Two Wheels," he's interested. Right now he needs locations in New York, Boston, etc. according to his show schedule on www.globeriders.com. He needs a place with a large screen and amplifier equipment - he's got the rest of the multimedia equipment. The New York or Boston venue should be from March 16 or so, right after his show in Maryland. I'm in touch with the Solomon Guggenheim Museum and will know something today, but that's a longshot. Any other help would be appreciated. Check out his show schedule and let me know if you have a direct contact that fits his schedule. The venue should have at least 200 seats, preferably in a sloped theatre configuration. BTW, we got him two Daytona shows at the Root Theatre, Daytona Museum of Arts and Sciences on March 3 and 4 from 4-6 p.m. We're still looking for a place on March 5 and 6 in Daytona, awaiting word from Embry-Riddle University and the Daytona Playhouse. Thanks. Stuart Heaslet KLR650 A12 Juno Beach, FL USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:30:29 -0500 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) KLR650 FAQ To all: The hard work of Stuart Heaslet has resulted in the beginnings of a FAQ page on the KLR650 Web Page! Why a FAQ? Well, for most of us the KLR650 is a well know machine. We on the LIST and subscribers to Gino's News Letter often take for granted that the KLR650 is a familiar machine to all. But, the purpose of this LIST and the Web Page and, of course, the News Letter is to bring the great attributes of the KLR650 to more people - especially those trying to decide which dual sport bike fits their needs and riding style. So, information is the key. After all, what is a LIST, Internet, web page but a means to "spread the word!" I want to say here and now that I am very happy to say that most all of the questions people have been posting on the various "Message Boards" we have on the Dual Sport Page as well as the KLR650 page are receiving numerous answers. This tells me that many of you are occasionally checking the boards and taking a few minutes to reply to "New" folks looking for answers and information! Now, back to Stuart's FAQ initiative. This is only a beginning (do I sound like a politician here?) Stuart has laid the foundation and now we must all contribute to his effort. I would really like to see each person come up with just one Question and Answer (yes, we need the answer too!) Send it to Stuart for his review and editing and Stuart will send it on to me to be placed on the web page. A good place to look at questions are the Message Boards - take a look at what folks are wondering about - and come up with the answer. Since this LIST began I have been impressed with the attitude, helpfulness, and general demeanor of it's members. Here is a chance to make our LIST better and contribute a little of your time. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:02:00 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: (klr650) Re: KLR650 FAQ At 12:30 PM 2/11/99 -0500, Bill Haycock wrote: >The hard work of Stuart Heaslet has resulted in the beginnings of a FAQ >page on the KLR650 Web Page! Aw, shucks. It wasn't *that* hard. I did it to avoid regular, paying work. :-) Send all edits, comments to stuart@heaslet.com Stuart KLR650 A12 Juno Beach, FL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:58:44 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Pulling the Trigger Brian, Todd and Mike wrote: 'Big Gun' snips >Does anyone have any info on this noise issue? >>How much $$$$$$ for it. >>How is the fit? >>How long does it take to get it? >>>Is the spark arrestor and quiet core included in the price? $228.95 Muffler $119.95 Head Pipe $ 89.95 Spark Arrestor (racing or quiet core) There are 5 KLR pipes left in inventory from the first batch. The KLX pipes have sold out, so you'll have to check with Mike or Paul for the next run date. The quiet core hasn't been finished. Without the spark arrestor it's nasty...just the way I like it. With it in place the db level goes down 5 or 6 points. The quiet core will supposedly bring it down another 5-6 points, but adds about a pound to the pipe. The stock pipe is max. 80db, measured with very specific parameters. See http://www.epa.gov/epacfr40/chapt-I.info/subch-G/40P0205.pdf Mine fits like a glove, but another lister is battling the connection. Trapp owners will appreciate that the badge is NOT a sticker. It's a plate that's riveted to the canister. I installed the muffler and head pipe, so I don't know how much of the extra power is derived from the tapered head pipe. Either way the matched set looks stunning together. Big Gun M-F, 8-5 (PDT) (909) 948-7029 Redondo Ron - stealth mode off - mowing 'em down ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:11:30 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) How to Carry Extra Fuel? I just worked with a company that used rotational moulding to custom fabricate a nylon sled for me to use with some EM detection equipment. Anyway I was thinking how big a deal would it be to get a larger tank moulded for the KLR? Is the plastic and construction method of say the acerbis tanks special so it can hold gas or is it just plastic? Anyone want a 10gal plastic tank for their KLR?..=) Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Myers To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) How to Carry Extra Fuel? >>Full size Aerostitch tank panniers were designed to carry a gallon can of fuel >>on each side of the tank. Get one gallon cans, weld petcocks onto them, make >>cut outs in the panniers to accomodate the petcock and fuel line and you are >>set. > >Another method is to carry 'disposable' cells in each pannier. After the >first 50 miles, you dump the left side into the gas tank and jettison the >container (Antifreeze jugs work great). 50 more miles and you dump the >right side in, then jettison the container. Or maybe carry the empty >containers in case you need them again or to dispose of properly. When >empty, an antifreeze jug will bungee easily thru its handle. > >If this is a race, you'll need some kind of pump setup, and petcocks etc. >I surmise that this is not a race and that pouring the fuel in thru the gas >cap is acceptable. > >As with any non-standard fuel cell, you're taking a risk that can threaten >your life, a forest, all the animals and all the people in their cabins. >Think about it. Ride conservatively and transfer the fuel into a safe >container (your MC gas tank) as soon as space becomes available. > >Tom --(jealous of anyone who needs to carry more than 5 gallons) > >+------------------------------------+ >| CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 >| 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 >| Seattle, WA 98122 USA >| webpage: http://www.cycoactive.com >| e-mail: TomMyers@cycoactive.com >+------------------------------------+ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:20:54 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Dear Abby-FAQ You Dear Fireball Stu, Between my airbag suit and 200 lbs of gear, tools, and auxiliary fuel, I have often wondered how fast one could exit the bike in case of fire. Would you recommend carrying a fire extinguisher and if so what type/size and where would you stick it? Signed, Warming up in Redondo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:33:30 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) How to Carry Extra Fuel? >>Anyone want a 10gal plastic tank for their KLR?..=) I am one of these tanker people. However, if a larger tank were made for the KLR, you would have to carry the added fuel low so that bike would not get more top heavy than what it already is. To carry the fuel low, you will need a fuel pump to get it to the high carburetor. You begin to reach diminishing returns quickly with this project. Gino ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #29 ***************************