From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1109 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1109 RE: (klr650) Charging at Idle Re: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR FW: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! RE: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR Re: (klr650) Charging at Idle (klr650) NKLR - priorities RE: (klr650) Charging at Idle RE: (klr650) The lineup..NKLR Re: (klr650) Charging at Idle Re: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! RE: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo Re: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo NKLR RE: (klr650) Baja Trip Report-Long RE: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! RE: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo NKLR Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:14:05 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Charging at Idle Bob, I believe idling your bike all that time produces incomplete combustion. Storing it with unburned gases in the engine & exhaust is potentially way more harmful & costly than a shot battery. Bogdan I started and ran the bike last night while I put the snow tires on my wife's car and let it run for about 1/2 hour at idle (1250 rpm). I wish there was an easy way to turn off the headlight. Anyway, does anybody know if the alternator is charging the battery when the bike is idling? Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:22:29 PST From: "CrazyDave" Subject: Re: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 8:03:00 -0700, Pokluda, Gino wrote: > > I was watching Motorweek a few days ago and the tech dude said that you > should never, ever use conventional jumper cables on the newer autos that > have computers and EFI. He did not elaborate, though. Anyone have any idea > or know why? He suggested you use the new "through the cigarette lighter" > jumber cables. > > Gino > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Not sure why, but I agree. My wife has jump started other cars 2 times, both times it cooked the alternator. I have since taken the jumper cables away from her. Crazydave [hates push starting Explorers] ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:43:20 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: FW: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! I've played around with the golden ratio as it relates to painting and drawing. My belief is that it is only consciously useful in the simplest of applications with few variables, say the relationship of the sides of a cube in a simple sculpture. In more complicated situations like a landscape painting an artist will only arrive at golden ratio relationships by applying his God given sense of order and beauty intuitively. You can say that any master work contains these relationships as does any leaf. As you may know this ratio apparently was first discovered by measuring the sections of leaves. Bogdan That golden ratio can also be used in psychological experiments. The most pleasing shape of rectangle is one whose sides are in golden ratio. The ancient Greeks agreed with this and built their temples in this ratio. Cool stuff, kahiau, E14 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:49:06 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR What have you given her in return??? Bogdan Not sure why, but I agree. My wife has jump started other cars 2 times, both times it cooked the alternator. I have since taken the jumper cables away from her. Crazydave [hates push starting Explorers] ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:41:43 +1100 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Charging at Idle Bogdan Swider wrote: > Bob, I believe idling your bike all that time produces incomplete > combustion. Idling is imperfect, not much you can do about that. > Storing it with unburned gases in the engine & exhaust is > potentially way more harmful & costly than a shot battery. How do you make sure the gasses are burned before you store it? Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:36:38 -0500 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) NKLR - priorities Just received an email today that kinda makes you think. I posted it on my page under "Priorities". Eric "no problem" J www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page '98 KLR 650 22,000 miles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:19:54 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Charging at Idle -----Original Message----- From: Ted Palmer [SMTP:tedp@replicant.apana.org.au] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:42 PM To: klr650 Subject: Re: (klr650) Charging at Idle Take it for a ride till it gets nice & warm. Rev the hell out of it or at least ride at 5k rpm instead of the usual 3k rpm. Shut it off immediately when you hit home. Push it into the garage instead of letting it idle or restarting if you must get off to open the door. Bogdan How do you make sure the gasses are burned before you store it? Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:22:37 -0800 From: Russell Scott Subject: RE: (klr650) The lineup..NKLR My bikes: 196? Greeves 250 with leading-link suspension. (Had it three months before it was stolen) 1974 Yamaha 250 Enduro (had it one year before it was stolen - long story) 1972 CZ 250 with red coffin tank. Great dirt bike! 1977 Suzuki RM 125 Great trail bike! 1971 Yamaha 175 Enduro Still have it! Broken shifter fork has had it sitting in garage for 3 years. Street legal. P.S. Fixed my fan with a $6.00 fan I purchased at a heating and a/c supplier. Saved $285.00 dollars if I had done it Kawa's way, replacing the entire fan and motor assembly. Russel'r A13 "bent but not broken" - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:22 PM To: KLR650 Subject: (klr650) The lineup..NKLR 1954 Norton Dominator Twin 500 (parents never new I had this one, chrome gas tank, twin Amal's) 1963 Norton Atlas 750 (built by Sunset Motors and T.C. Christensen, a 12 second bike) 1969 Harley Sportster XLCH 883 (bought new off the show room floor, nicknamed "The Frog" for its block long wheelies) 1971 Honda CB750 (ran like a Turbine) 1969 Harley Sportster XLCH 883 (traded the Honda for my old Harley and a Winchester 1200) 1965 Norton Atlas 750 1981 Honda CX-500D (I loved those Guzzi type cylinders, 10K RPM's with push rods?) 1981 Yamaha DT-125 (I'm not a two-stroke kind of guy) 1986 Yamaha XT-600 (where is the button?) 1983 Honda XR-500 (looking for the niche) 1985 Honda XR-350 (this is the one I should have kept, single carb model) 1982 Honda XR-200 (my son's mount now) 1983 Honda CB750 (refurbished like new) 1978 Sears Free Spirit Moped (Puch) (36 miles, my dad crashed the first day on it, so 20 years later...) 1989 Honda Hawk NT650 (cult bike, red of course) 1978 Yamaha XS-650 (Saturday Night Fever) 1980 Yamaha XS-650 (again) 1981 Yamaha XS-650 (again) 1998 Kawasaki KLR650 (I blame this on Bill Haycock's website, Oingo Boingo) 1997 Suzuki DR350SE (Kimberly's bike, kind of) 1996 Suzuki DR650SE (I like very much, yes) Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:17:00 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: Re: (klr650) Charging at Idle > Storing it with unburned gases in the engine & exhaust is > potentially way more harmful & costly than a shot battery. >>How do you make sure the gasses are burned before you store it?<< I'd take it out for a ride for about 15 minutes to get the engine to operating temperature. Once you return home, don't start it again until you plan on riding it. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:49:21 +0000 From: Kahiau Subject: Re: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! And the spiral of a shell. kahiau, E14 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:45:00 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: RE: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo >>Can the list give me an idea of what I should ask for Oingo Boingo? I'm thinking I'd be better off putting the stock equipment on, leaving the mods and then selling the aftermarket stuff. Also, if anyone is interested in the bike you can email privately.<< So... this is it. What's it gonna be? The Guzzi, the Tiger? Please, please, please, no Beemers. Gino, friends don't let friends ride BMW Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:03:59 -0800 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: Re: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo NKLR I met this wonderful guy with a garage chock full of ten Nortons and one Moto Morini... He said the Morini's for sale... Just in case anyone was, y'know, in the market for a new bike. :) Sarah "Pokluda, Gino" wrote: > >>Can the list give me an idea of what I should ask for Oingo Boingo? I'm > thinking I'd be better off putting the stock equipment on, leaving the mods > and then selling the aftermarket stuff. Also, if anyone is interested in the > bike you can email privately.<< > > So... this is it. What's it gonna be? The Guzzi, the Tiger? Please, > please, please, no Beemers. > > Gino, friends don't let friends ride BMW > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:13:57 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Baja Trip Report-Long Kurt, Great trip. When you were in LA beach did the conversation turn to camping security around Gringa Point ( You know, those wonderful locations behind the dump). You used to be able to leave your gear unguarded all day. When I was there 2 years ago (That trip I moteled),I was told those days were gone. I talked to a guy who had an outboard motor stolen. Was wondering/hoping if things had improved. Bogdan we rode on to Bahia de Los Angeles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:15:34 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Part of "Wish List" complete NKLR-Math! A Hawaiian would know that. Bogdan And the spiral of a shell. kahiau, E14 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:25:53 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: RE: (klr650) FS...oingo boingo NKLR > > I met this wonderful guy with a garage chock full of ten Nortons > and one Moto > Morini... He said the Morini's for sale... > > Just in case anyone was, y'know, in the market for a new bike. :) > > Sarah you are my friend right? (g) Kurt (needing a 12 step almost as much as Gino) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:22:46 -0800 From: "R Bizarro" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR Hello. Just looking through the messages and as a mechanic I think it is safe to jump other car/trucks. The reason most of you go through alternators is, when the battery is completely dead your alternator will work so hard and will generate a lot of heat. Most Fords have this problem! How to jump start a car safely. The car with the good battery GO + to + on the other car with the dead battery. Go neg on the car with the good battery IMPORTANT to go neg on the car with the dead battery but hook it up to somewhere on the engine, not hooked up on the battery. Leave it hooked up for a couple of minutes before cranking. - -----Original Message----- From: CrazyDave To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR >On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 8:03:00 -0700, Pokluda, Gino wrote: > >> >> I was watching Motorweek a few days ago and the tech dude said that you >> should never, ever use conventional jumper cables on the newer autos that > >> have computers and EFI. He did not elaborate, though. Anyone have any >idea >> or know why? He suggested you use the new "through the cigarette lighter" > >> jumber cables. >> >> Gino >> >> >> Visit the KLR650 archives at >> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >> for info. > >Not sure why, but I agree. My wife has jump started other cars 2 times, >both times it cooked the alternator. I have since taken the jumper cables >away from her. > >Crazydave [hates push starting Explorers] > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com >Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:54:40 -0800 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR Hmm. I've been told to hook up both grounds (neg) first, then pos on dead car, then pos on live car... Hasn't killed me yet, and it makes sense to me in that order -- no current is attached or could be flowing until the very last connection. But in the order you put it below, it seems like there could be many chances for someone to touch a metal part of the cables while hooking them up and become the ground which completes the circuit. Is my method likely to drain the good battery or something like that? Is it really bad to hook the other ground to the dead battery? Frame is usually used for ground on most cars (assuming they've still got some steel left in the frames and haven't gone completely to plastic...), so it's all part of the same circuit, right? The first person who told me how to jumpstart a car was my dad -- and he was prone to "explaining" stuff when he didn't exactly know what he was talking about sometimes... Always good to have more opinions. Sarah R Bizarro wrote: > How to jump start a car safely. The car with the good battery GO + to + > on the other car with the dead battery. Go neg on the car with the good > battery IMPORTANT to go neg on the car with the dead battery but hook it up > to somewhere on the engine, not hooked up on the battery. > Leave it hooked up for a couple of minutes before cranking. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1109 *****************************