From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1126 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1126 (klr650) Used Parts wanted (klr650) Rear shock Re: (klr650) Rear shock Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? (klr650) Definition of an Expert NKLR (klr650) Last call for Malcolm Smith No Wimps Dual Sport Ride So. Cal. Nov 14th RE: (klr650) Used Parts wanted RE: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism Re:(klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500 Re: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism RE: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? Re: (klr650) Oil level debate Re: (klr650) Re: OIL LEVEL: The Rock Says This (klr650) Re: seats (klr650) My KLRist appologies (klr650) New Names Re:(klr650) Oil level debate Re: (klr650) seats and Iron Butt Re: (klr650) Re: OIL LEVEL: The Rock Says This ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:35:08 -0500 From: Gary Weaver Subject: (klr650) Used Parts wanted Used Parts wanted!!! Listers,I'm in the market for the following used parts,bash plate any brand,hand and lever protectors any brand. Willing to pay a fair price on the above items. For sale one used oil sight glass with 10 ounce overfill.(CHEAP) Gary, Keystone East Coasters Moto Land > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:34:30 EST From: LPetty4585@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Rear shock List, Just talk to Mike at Dualstar, he is sending me a new takeoff rear shock for $100(bargain of the year) told him I would advise the list. He stated he would price out a kit of parts to make a Y2K look and advise the list of the price. Shocked Larry Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:45:20 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Rear shock I learned from a reliable source today and who shall remain nameless and their initials are PS, that the US military is converting 300 Y2K KLR 650s for military use. This is why there is going to be some good bargains in stuff that the military is taking off their civilian models. Should be an interesting year! Fred - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:34 PM Subject: (klr650) Rear shock > List, > Just talk to Mike at Dualstar, he is sending me a new takeoff rear shock for > $100(bargain of the year) told him I would advise the list. He stated he > would price out a kit of parts to make a Y2K look and advise the list of the > price. > Shocked > > Larry > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:44:17 -0500 From: dobeman@sprint.ca Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? > I keep an open mind... > But i fell over on my bike and all my blinker fluid leaked out, Now my > blinkers don;t work??? The "book" calls for 30cc of light WT. blinker fluid. > My Wombat dealer has only heavy wt. blinker fluid. Will it work in a KLR > A14????? I'm afraid you can't replace your blinker fluid until you replace your power band my friend. Every good Kawi shop should have a new one in stock, maybe try Fred if you like. Good luck! Karl Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:49:56 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? > > I keep an open mind... > > But i fell over on my bike and all my blinker fluid leaked out, Now my > > blinkers don;t work??? The "book" calls for 30cc of light WT. blinker > fluid. > > My Wombat dealer has only heavy wt. blinker fluid. Will it work in a KLR > > A14????? > > I'm afraid you can't replace your blinker fluid until you replace your > power band my friend. Every good Kawi shop should have a new one in stock, > maybe try Fred if you like. > > Good luck! > Karl Sorry, I have Flower Power and Head Bands but no Power Bands.. Try me next century. Fredster Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:48 EST From: S2Mumford@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Definition of an Expert NKLR << >i tend to use the definition of expert as x=unknown and a spurt is a drip >under pressure. (g) >> An expert is a person who knows a great deal about a very specific subject. To be even more of an expert is to know more and more about less and less. Therefore, by extrapolation, to be the ultimate expert, you must know everything about nothing. CA Stu A13 <-- A good time looking for a place to happen. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:00:37 EST From: S2Mumford@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Last call for Malcolm Smith No Wimps Dual Sport Ride So. Cal. Nov 14th I have scanned in the entry form at http://members.aol.com/s2mumford/malcolms.pdf If you saw "On Any Sunday" , you must be there!! CA Stu A13 <-- out to represent the CA Posse and KLR riders in general. ( I plan to have a hissy fit about oil and sight glasses ) PS have you seen this http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/oilreport.html interesting reading for the oil obsessed. ;) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:06:19 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: RE: (klr650) Used Parts wanted Used Parts wanted!!! Listers,I'm in the market for the following used parts,bash plate any brand,hand and lever protectors any brand. Willing to pay a fair price on the above items. For sale one used oil sight glass with 10 ounce overfill.(CHEAP) Gary, Keystone East Coasters Moto Land I have some Moose Aluminums in good condition that I'll sell you for half of new whatever that is...(g) Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:15:22 -0800 From: Russell Scott Subject: RE: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism 5000 rpm's for crusing and oil between 2/3 and top of sight glass is my formula. Good oil trumps everything else. My two cents in this screamfest. Russell'r Kaw Pow <-- Glad this is not a political discussion board, it would be totally out of control. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:32:51 -0500 From: "Danodemotoman" Subject: Re:(klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500 >What kind of brain dead shit is this? What kind of brain dead logic is >this? IF YOU OVERFILL YOUR ENGINE WITH OIL BAD FKING THINGS CAN HAPPEN. Reaction. Beam me up Scotty! I have to agree with the neagative things that happen with a too full crankcsae. Too much pressure and you will use more oil as in blowing it out and more likely to have leaking seals. As I am new to the KLR I have my ears 'on'. - Dan P, COG 2877, AMA 549865, CMA, UMCI '93 KLX650R Baja d/s kit 'Dirt Boss' '00 KLR650 'Urban Assault Bike' '98 Kaw Concours ZG1000 'Grrr' 51K miles '70 Suzuki T500 Titan 'Dayjavoo' Yo Ho, Yo Ho, it's a bikers life for me! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:28:27 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism Elden is still up for it, so am I. We just need to decide when and what format. Elden is real busy getting ready for his annual southern Baja vacation. When he gets back we'll figure a time and a night. I think it's still a good idea. Elden is both feisty and sensitive so we'll have to behave (this will be as difficult for me as anybody, maybe more so as everyone knows I love a good rhubarb). Maybe we can start making a topic list. Morgan Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:11:24 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: RE: (klr650) High speed/High Rpm, Eldenism I think it's still a good idea. Elden is both feisty and sensitive so we'll have to behave (this will be as difficult for me as anybody, maybe more so as everyone knows I love a good rhubarb). Maybe we can start making a topic list. _______ yeah, better have him sit next to Killarney on the other side of the computer screen....and when the !$&!!! starts to happen you can say, "ah...Elden...one of the participants wants to ...ah ....have a bit more information....on ....ah....the sight glass thing....yes...I think that is what he's saying..." Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:12:22 EST From: TLrydr@aol.com Subject: Re: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: OIL SIGHT BS$*$% Whatsa say??? I can't help it LOL> LOOL> In a message dated 11/9/99 7:45:02 PM EST, dobeman@sprint.ca writes: << I'm afraid you can't replace your blinker fluid until you replace your power band my friend. Every good Kawi shop should have a new one in stock, maybe try Fred if you like. Good luck! Karl >> Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:35:03 EST From: Carmic7@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil level debate In a message dated 11/8/99 11:08:07 PM, DawnRides@aol.com writes: > >dawn - whether high or low, I like it HOT > I'll bet you are a total babe - -neil Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:38:21 EST From: Carmic7@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: OIL LEVEL: The Rock Says This In a message dated 11/9/99 12:47:07 AM, robertlmorgan@worldnet.att.net writes: >" Take that cute little motorcycle, drain out all the oil into a cute little > >container, take that cute little container and shine it up real good. >Turn > >that som bitch SIDEWAYS, and SHOVE IT STRAIGHT UP YOUR CANDY ASS! > > Now that's settled, can we just ride the damn motorcycle. I agree, after all, its just a motor! ride the hell out of it and then get another - -neil Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:40:22 EST From: PMDean650@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: seats > wonder > what the Iron Butt guys that rode the KLR used? Doug Packard finished tenth on a KLR in 1993. That's one of the things that inspired me to buy my KLR in '94. I don't know how he had his bike set up. Jim Barthell attempted to ride his KLR in '95 but I think he had mechanical problems. Improperly installed lowering links were eating his chain. I rode a KLR in the Butt Lite in '99 and learned it is NOT a long distance endurance mount. I was sitting real cozy behind a Rifle windscreen perched atop a cushy Russell seat with Aerostich tank panniers acting like fairing lowers. But 30 mph crosswinds bounced me about, hundred degree temps caused the radiator wash to burn my left leg, and (of all things!) the footpeg vibration caused constant knee pain after three days. I've learned that the secret to long distance endurance riding is not having to endure anything. My future rally bike is a BMW K1200LT. I'll keep the KLR though, and after experience with the stock seat, a Corbin, and a Russell; I'll ride on the Russell. Pete Dean Minnetonka MN Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:49:05 EST From: Carmic7@aol.com Subject: (klr650) My KLRist appologies I Neil Shubert Honestly wish to apologize for starting this string on f***ing oil levels ...and while I am on the subject, You people are out of your f***ing minds! sincerely' - -neil Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:06:23 -0500 From: Mark Subject: (klr650) New Names I decided on the new and final names for my KLR pair. They are symbolic of how I ride them. Mark B2 "Dr. Jekyll" A2 "Mr. Hyde" Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:11:50 -0500 From: "Danodemotoman" Subject: Re:(klr650) Oil level debate >Kawi states the KLR gas tank to be 6.1 gallon. After running say 20 miles >into the reserve capacity, do you fill the tank with 6.1 gallons of gas? I >know I don't, I can't put more than 5 gallons in, And the beat goes on and on and onnnnnnn I just changed the oil at 455 mi. I put more dino squezin's in. Should I wait till say 2K mi before I go to a synthetic or blend? Does it make a difference with the special fusion plating on the bore, the KLR does use this? (No no no I am not asking how much, never) :+) I like the blend in the Concours, more quiet and smoother shifting. - Dan P, COG 2877, AMA 549865, CMA, UMCI '93 KLX650R Baja d/s kit 'Dirt Boss' '00 KLR650 'Urban Assault Bike' '98 Kaw Concours ZG1000 'Grrr' 51K miles '70 Suzuki T500 Titan 'Dayjavoo' Yo Ho, Yo Ho, it's a bikers life for me! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:33:52 EST From: PMDean650@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) seats and Iron Butt Gino writes: > As for the Iron Butt. I have very strong opinions about it. I think it is > a ludicrous event. The idea of pushing yourself to the point of exhaustion > while riding a piece of hardware that weighs between 500 and 800lbs at > speeds that are usually well above safe limits just to say you did it, is > irresponsible and dangerous not only to the rider, but also to other > motorists on the road. Sorry, but it is one event that I would not be sorry > to see go away. I've been a member of the Iron Butt Association for three years now, riding nothing but a KLR650. My average speed while riding an event is a little over 50 mph. This includes time for rest and meals. I keep up with traffic while on the road but never go above 80 mph, even if traffic exceeds that speed. I don't feel I have endangered anyone and know of no example, in millions of documented miles, of a non-ralliest being injured in an Iron Butt event. These are very serious and responsible riders. Pete Dean Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:47:03 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: OIL LEVEL: The Rock Says This Eric, with all due respect, I think you are just a tad worked up. First of all you are not the only person to have contacted Kawasaki. Mr. Carl has a long standing relationship with the engineers at Kawasaki, he has met them head on in court on occasion and won. They have told him to put 2,5 lt.. of oil in the bike, period. If that means disregarding the sight glass then so be it. I don't know if he HAS IT IN WRITING or if it is notarized or whatever but I take the man at his word, He has personally owned 5 KLR 650s, rebuilt scores of them for people and as far as I am concerned knows more about the machine than either you or Kawasaki! His current bike has, as of last weekend, over 72000 miles on it. It will out run my 97 with 6k on it. I have ridden them both. His bike does not burn oil, his bike does not blow oil out the breather, neither does mine. My bike does not foam the oil, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to indicate that running 2,5 lt... oil in a Kawasaki KLR 650 has done any, REPEAT ANY damage or discomfort to it. If you want to use the sight glass do it, if you think passing on an opinion other than yours is dangerous or detrimental to someone else you certainly have the right to express your opinion. I disagree with your opinion and, having been trained as a scientist and spent many long years building high performance engines will tend to put my faith in experience and the knowledge of people I consider to be better informed than myself. I get pieces of paper handed to me all the time, some of them are from Honda, some of them are from the government, often times its B.S. to cover somebody's ass, like maybe the guy that put the sight glass too low in the case. Sure the guy at NAPA can tell you too much oil will damage a motor, any high school auto shop graduate can tell you that. If the oil level is high enough to interfere with the piston it is going to create excess crankcase pressure. HOW MUCH OIL IS TOO MUCH? That is the question that should be addressed. There is no evidence that 2.5 lt.. is too much. Page number 4-7 of the factory service manual says put 2.5 lt.. of oil in the engine after a change of filter. As far as I am concerned I will run as much oil in an engine as I can until it creates a problem, oil will cool an engine by virtue of volume, more oil less heat, less heat less viscosity breakdown, less viscosity breakdown better lubrication. The Porsche motor in my VW bus runs 7 qt. of oil in it, that's 4.5 qt. more than it was designed for. It will run all day at 80 mph and not get hot. It has over a hundred k on it. No blow by, no leaking seals. Did you get that, a VW that does not leak. If you could see the engine currently sitting on Elden's blueprint bench, if you could see the before and after modifications that the factory made to the KLR after one of Elden's lawsuits with respect to the clutch basket and balancer hub on the early models, if you could hang out with the guy for a while and listen to the most respected engine and suspension builders in the industry call him on the phone to to shoot the breeze with him then you might have a different take on "ONE MAN'S OPINION." The man speaks with the voice of experience, and it speaks volumes. This debate was raging on this list long before you signed on and I'm sure it will still be raging after you have Arne "remove you" if you decide to do that (personally I hope you don't). That's what makes a great debate, two differing opinions. After all which do you prefer Chevy's or Fords; Blondes or Redheads; Pilsner or Stout? As far as the "Candy Ass" thing goes, you used to have a sense of humor. I hope you find it again after you work through this oil crises. peace Morgan Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1126 *****************************