From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:52:12 -0800 From: Christopher J Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR FTabor231@aol.com wrote: > Chris, you mean that if the rotor could be increased an unlimited amount, the > caliper and brake pad could be decreased an unlimited amount and still have > the same braking? Is there any extra force needed for the extra inertial force > from the extra "flywheel" effect and could a cast iron rotor with more > friction do the same as a bigger stainless steel rotor? Frank Well, things don't always work the same in the extreme. Yes there is extra force required to stop the larger rotor but it's extremely small compared with the gyroscopic energy stored in the rotating wheel. This might not be true if you made the disk larger by "an unlimited amount" ;-) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:55:20 -0700 From: "Tim Bernard" Subject: Re: (dr350) Re: (klr650) DR350 list...NKLR Gino It is quiet because of the pureness of DR riders. BTW on the starting mine started failing to have enough batterry a few years back & the problem was my replacement of the headlight with a higher output bulb & it was discharging the battery. I was suspect of this & pulled the bulb out on the trail. I took it to the dealer for a check & was informed of the limited DR charging system. I was also informed that if you did not run with headligt it would fry the system. We have proved this to incorrect, but we also leave the taillight on. I am sure this will bring some intellect to a debate, but it don't matter cause I paid my $50. - -----Original Message----- From: K650dsn@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com ; dr350@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:06 AM Subject: (dr350) Re: (klr650) DR350 list...NKLR >In a message dated 3/12/99 8:42:29 AM Mountain Standard Time, >ajax@xmission.com writes: > ><< >Anybody know how i can subscribe to the new DR350 list I've heard about? > > > >Robert >> > >It's a quiet list because most of them are out trying to kick start their >bikes ;-) > >Gino, Mr. 'Lectric, Pokluda > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:01:50 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Fw:N KLR breakdowns Where are you going the moon? Your chain & sprockets won't fail suddenly; that's an awful lot to lug around. You'll know when they're about due; have Fred send you a set. Also install Fred's magic, lifetime oil filter. That'll remove the need to pack those crushables. That compressor's a great idea though. Bogdan although I will carry new chain (pre-cut) master links, both sprockets, rear tire, tubes and filter and good tools. I mounted a small 12 volt compressor under a side cover with a detachable hose for tire air. Its the weird stuff that others have encountered that I"m trying to prepare for. Thanks, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 99 08:47:12 PST From: rob_macleod@bylgate.dbylaw.com Subject: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question I have noticed from scanning the list that many listers have considerable experience with various motorcycles. I have also noticed that some listers have a strong tech background. So, at the risk of offending KLR 650 List purists here is my question: Do I have to replace the valve seats in my 1977 CB400 Four Super Sport in order to burn 92-94 octane unleaded fuel? If so, where is a good source for replacement valve seats? I ask because I am embarking on a project to replicate a mid-1960s cafe racer and I want to use my '77 CB400 basket case as a base. Thanks in advance, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:19:49 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question > I have noticed from scanning the list that many listers have > considerable experience with various motorcycles. I have also noticed > that some listers have a strong tech background. So, at the risk of > offending KLR 650 List purists here is my question: > > Do I have to replace the valve seats in my 1977 CB400 Four Super > Sport in order to burn 92-94 octane unleaded fuel? If so, where is > a good source for replacement valve seats? > > I ask because I am embarking on a project to replicate a mid-1960s > cafe racer and I want to use my '77 CB400 basket case as a base. Rob, there is a very active list for Honda Fours called SOHC4 you can find the subscription info at www.micapeak.com I'm sure they could give you some help...they have a strong interest in walnut sidecovers...(g) Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:29:07 -0500 From: Jason Ehler Subject: (klr650) Mime-Version: 1.0 Looking for possible riding partner in the region of Hamilton Ontario, Canada. I'm a proud owner of a 1996 KLR 650. Would like to ride through the north eastern area of Ontario some time this summer. A great route was featured in Cycle Canada. (not sure offhand, think it was either the Jan or Feb issue '99) . Thanks. Jason KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:04 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR - -----Original Message----- From: FTabor231@aol.com To: chris_beasley@mindspring.com Cc: ajax@xmission.com ; alarsen@rapidnet.net ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:32 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR >In a message dated 3/11/99 11:37:38 PM Central Standard Time, >chris_beasley@mindspring.com writes: > >Chris, you mean that if the rotor could be increased an unlimited amount, the >caliper and brake pad could be decreased an unlimited amount and still have >the same braking? Is there any extra force needed for the extra inertial force >from the extra "flywheel" effect and could a cast iron rotor with more >friction do the same as a bigger stainless steel rotor? Frank Most laws of physics become unreliable as you approach infinity so I'd not even hazard a guess about an infinite rotor. But the idea is correct - keeping in mind the force required to slow the bike a given amount doesn't change just the way you achieve that force. I would suggest that a slightly larger rotor contributes a negligible increase in rotational inertia when compared to the 400lbs bike and 200lb rider and luggage the brake must stop. Cheers, Vik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:41:04 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing www.saeng.com - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Skip Faulkner ; KLR650 Page Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 1:44 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing >> >>I bought some Stealth edging at the BMW Rally this summer. Placed it on the >>windscreen and around the sides of the fairing. Very noticeable improvement >>in wind noise and buffeting. Whereas the wind was hitting right at the top >>of my visor, now it`s clearing my helmet. >> >>Skip >> >> >Does anyone happen to remember the link to the Saeng website? > >thanks, >Jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:47:06 -0500 From: mjv2@psu.edu (Mark) Subject: (klr650) NKLR Moron Mechanics.... was NKLR breakdowns At 10:01 AM 3/12/99, Bogdan Swider wrote: >Where are you going the moon? Your chain & sprockets won't fail >suddenly........ While we're on the topic of the KLR's reliability and breakdowns, check this out: Yesterday, I informed a bike mechanic who I know (he's slow but thorough) that I am going to Florida on my Tengai this Tuesday. He looked at me like I was going to the moon! He said, "Florida?... on a 650 single?... You better be ready for a rebuild when you get back!" He then looked at me like I was full of shit when I told him that people go to Alaska and S. America on KLRs all the time. What a moron!!!! Mark B2 A2 PS: He also thinks the internet is a gimmick and can't enhance his business in any way. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:47:51 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Stealth edging It mounts very easily...maybe two minutes....and on a Clearview +9 its about 4ft (I am guessing as its been a while)...on a stock windshield it would be very little....just run a string around the outside of your windshield and order that much! But, I found it didn't do jack for me and it is expensive...I would not recommend buying it. However, that is just my experience...YMMV. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Juan Villarreal To: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:51 AM Subject: (klr650) Stealth edging >Hello Skip, > >I think I'm going to invest in some of that newfangled edging. A couple >of questions first... > >- How easy or difficult is it to fit and mount (I'll be putting it on >the stock fairing and windscreen)? > >- How much length did you require for your fairing and windscreen (today >would be the day I didn't ride my bike to work)? > >Thanks in advance, Juan Villarreal > > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:10:19 -0800 From: Mike Magier Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR Chris, Vik, et al: I know the laws of physics become unreliable as they are "pushed to the extreme". May I suggest that KLR front-end behavior would be even more unreliable as the rotor size exceeds 21" (front wheel size)... Seems, as always, that practical real-world life exerts its own limitations long before the limitations of physics in its extremes come into play. FWIW Mike Magier 98 GroundHog (8000 mi and counting . . .) > >>Chris, you mean that if the rotor could be increased an unlimited amount, >the >>caliper and brake pad could be decreased an unlimited amount and still have >>the same braking? Is there any extra force needed for the extra inertial >force ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:05:41 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) - Driving MR. Michael NUTS..NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Arne Larsen To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 12:01 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) - Driving MR. Michael NUTS > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Stecyk >To: Kurt Simpson ; klr650@lists.xmission.com > >Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:42 PM >Subject: Re: (klr650) > > >>> Dear Mr. KURT >>> Error in message-to list and Mr. Arne > >>> Dear MR. Arne >>> Driving us nuts--buy H-D-- >..... I gotta tell you guys that I'm really PISSED right now; and I'm doing >my best to vent in the most constructive manner possible. You see, if it >wasn't for Kurt's posting the other day on list etiquette, (sorry Kurt) I'd >be inviting little Michael over to tell me to my face that I'm driving him >nuts. Then we could discuss "a united Canada". Arne, Don't let it get ya down. Either Michael tried to make a joke that didn't quite work or he is serious - the bottom line is it doesn't matter. Any list like this has all sorts of people on it and everybody wants something different from the list. There are a lot of posts on the KLR list I don't have much interest in but I am sure others wait in eager anticipation for them......live and let live I say. If Michael or anyone else is truly fed up with a topic or even a person it takes all of five seconds to filter them straight to the deleted items bin. As long as a post has something to do with motorcycles, doesn't break common standards for decency or respect nobody should get mad. Its sort of like a big house party for KLRistas if you are not having fun leave and come back when you are in the mood for it - but don't expect the other 300 people to change just because you are unhappy. Arne keep asking questions/posting etc...I have enjoyed your posts for the most part and the ones that didn't interest me I deleted (no offense). I asked (and still do) dumb questions and so when somebody new asks so what about those front brakes or what about synthetic oil - I don't even twitch.......just politely answer and maybe suggest the archives. "...everything has a crack in it...that's how the light get's in....." - Leonard Cohen Back to are our regularly scheduled program.... Vik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:41:53 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw:NKLR breakdowns Fred outlets are few and far between in South America. That's why I'll be bringing an extra set of tires/sprockets/tubes/chain. oh yeah, about driving to the moon, www.moonrider.org - -----Original Message----- From: Bogdan Swider To: 'FTabor231@aol.com' ; efpoklu@sandia.gov ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: March 12, 1999 12:01 PM Subject: RE: (klr650) Fw:N KLR breakdowns Where are you going the moon? Your chain & sprockets won't fail suddenly; that's an awful lot to lug around. You'll know when they're about due; have Fred send you a set. Also install Fred's magic, lifetime oil filter. That'll remove the need to pack those crushables. That compressor's a great idea though. Bogdan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:46:22 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR Moron Mechanics.... was NKLR breakdowns That's why so many of us though we may lack time & experience/talent, do more & more of our own work. Bogdan, Who doesn't need to pay someone to screw up his bike when I can do it myself just fine. He then looked at me like I was full of shit when I told him that people go to Alaska and S. America on KLRs all the time. What a moron!!!! Mark B2 A2 PS: He also thinks the internet is a gimmick and can't enhance his business in any way. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:09:32 -0700 From: "Hirofumi A. Watanabe" Subject: (klr650) Thunder & Lighting Vik wrote: >"..everything has a crack in it..that's how the light get's in.." >Leonard Cohen Your crack reminded me of a recent quest for enlightenment. I went looking for increased visibility for my FJ80 rear end. The LED brake and turn signal solution from Grote Safety Systems looked promising. They are waterproof, brighter than tungsten bulbs, 100,000 hour service life, faster response and one-tenth the electrical draw. I stumbled across this site with motorcycle applications. Anyone had experience with this FL co. or any other moto LED co.? http://members.aol.com/pkstaige/lifebrite.html They've summoned up a Thundercloud..They're gonna hear from me -L.C. Hiro A10 'Thunderbolt' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:13:21 -0500 From: PAT_HENSLEY@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (klr650) NKLR RE: Saeng website >Does anyone happen to remember the link to the Saeng website? Uh, Jeff.... how about trying the obvious www.Saeng.com? ;) Pat Austin, TX 1997 KLR650 w/ 11.9K miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:49:30 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Thunder & Lighting If at all possible purchase lights from a company that makes LEDs for Transports because they will no doubt have the roughest service capabilites. I can't comment on Bike applications but a few months ago my boss had to replace all the LEDs on a brand new trailer because they weren't lasting. I hope you can find a safe place to mount your signals since they will probably cost quite a bit more. p.s. rock trucks and filament bulbs don't mix, you'd think Volvo BM would know this buy now - -----Original Message----- From: Hirofumi A. Watanabe To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: marbach@nucleus.com Date: March 12, 1999 2:13 PM Subject: (klr650) Thunder & Lighting >They are waterproof, brighter than tungsten bulbs, 100,000 >hour service life, faster response and one-tenth the electrical >draw. I stumbled across this site with motorcycle applications. >Anyone had experience with this FL co. or any other moto LED co.? >http://members.aol.com/pkstaige/lifebrite.html ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #118 ****************************