From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1209 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, December 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1209 (klr650) NKLR Roadless Areas Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR Re: (klr650) Tuning Questions Re: (klr650) List Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s Re: (klr650) New here (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR (klr650) Happy Holidays to everybody on the LIST ! Re: (klr650) New here NKLR Re: (klr650) New here NKLR (klr650) Now it Runs Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR Re: (klr650) New here Re: (klr650) Now it Runs Re: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:35:24 GMT From: "tom stone" Subject: (klr650) NKLR Roadless Areas Please take a moment to voice your opinion of the Clinton Roadless Area initiative. All comments are considered a part of the public record. Opinions can be e-mailed to: roadlessareasnoi/wo_caet@www.fs.fed.us. You can also contact the commander & cheif directly at president@white-house.gov or Algore at vice.president@whitehouse.gov. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:46:42 -0500 From: "Tom Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Arne Larsen To: KLR Dudes and Dudettes Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 5:43 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR >From: Tom Simpson >Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing > > >> The most corrosion resistant combination I can think of for steel parts >> that the average guy can do at home is to parkerize them and then apply >> a bake-on enamel of some sort. > >> -Tom >> '96 KLR 650 > >Excuse my ignorance, but what is "parkerizing"? It's a chemical process that lightly etches the steel and deposits a thin coating of a phosphate compound, manganese phosphate being a common one. Common applications are firearms and certain older model Harley Davidson restorations. Common colors are flat gray and charcoal black. The etched, matte surface o0f the parkerizing leaves a very good surface for bonding of the subsequent coats of enamel (laquer, actualy) , which are then baked in an oven. The stuff I use calls for three thin coats with ten min. drying in between coats, then baking at 350 deg F for 35 min. This combination is very, very tough to beat in my experience. As for aluminum, the other listers statement about the enamel on aluminum is true: you can probably get much better adhesion by using the approaches he outlined However, for many applications the Brownell's Baking Laquer I use sticks to beat-blasted and preheated aluminum well enough for many applications. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:48:40 -0600 From: Alan L Henderson Subject: Re: (klr650) Tuning Questions >>Second, tuning. I noticed after my ride that the rear fender near the pipe >>had quite a lot of soot on it. I guess this indicates it is running rich? >> >mine shows some soot at the rear fender too after dyna jetting and k&n with >the stock muffler. runs great. pulled the plug to find some soot at the >base but clean electrode. running the 140 jet and moved the needle setting >from 3 to 4 just for fun (and to experiment with smoother performance at 3K >rpm). roads have been icey so will test it wed. in the forest. > Not to worry. My bike is completly stock and at interstate speeds with a full load, so I am running mostly on the main jet, I get soot on the Happy Trails rack and rear fender. I think the main jet is a little rich in stock form. This was riding from central Iowa out to Denver and back. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa the only way I am associated with richness Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:56:35 -0600 From: Alan L Henderson Subject: Re: (klr650) List At 09:52 AM 12/7/1999 -0600, you wrote: >How do I get off of the KLR list? > Stop. Put your foot on the ground. Swing the other leg over and dismount. :) The info you desire is in the first message you recieved from the group. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa who sometimes dismounts without stopping or putting the foot down Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:33:07 EST From: LPetty4585@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s Well Kawasaki is bringing out a diesel Mule and Polaris is bringing out a diesel Quad so maybe this is a sign of things to come in 2001. Must be great fuel mileage. Larry Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:38:46 EST From: Ztib@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Marine diesel KLR650s In a message dated 12/7/99 6:34:38 PM Central Standard Time, LPetty4585@aol.com writes: > Well Kawasaki is bringing out a diesel Mule and Polaris is bringing out a > diesel Quad so maybe this is a sign of things to come in 2001. Must be > great > fuel mileage. IT WILL be great fuel mileage, but more importantly is that it will be great torque. Diesels deliver torque far better than gasoline powered engines of similiar displacement and horsepower. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:02:07 -0500 From: "Steve Secrest" Subject: Re: (klr650) New here - ----- Original Message ----- From: "zootpatutie ." To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:13 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) New here > kickstart kits are an option for pre 96 models. since you can push start a > dead battery (don't ask me how i know), there is question as to how > important it is. So I take what you're saying is one couldn't install the pre 96 option on a 2000 model? I know how you know While touring the Blue Ridge Parkway and the east coast during the month of Feburary, the temps never got above 35. I was looking like a freak genetic cross between Pilsbury and Michelin .... I don't think I could have push started. The kicker came in handy as all I had to do was catch it with my boot as I got on and it fired right up. Steve in Cincy Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:08:06 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:16 PM Subject: This may be your bike > Did the Toys for Tots toy run today. It was freezing, heck it was below > freezing out there. I took a BMW R1150GS out for a spin ( I also confiscated > all photographs that were taken). This may be the bike for you. It runs and > shifts better than I remember my R1100GS did. Plenti-o-power, but my ZRX > would dust it easily ;-) I think it wold be worth a look for you. I also > talked with a couple that had a Bandit 1200 with a tall wind screen and Givi > luggage. Thay have 30K miles and the Bandito and the only thing that has > happened to it was a burned out turn signal bulb. It was a very good looking > machine the way it was set up and the lady said the Corbin seat with back > rest was very nice. Hope all is well. > > Gino > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:12:30 -0700 From: Istvan Szlany Subject: (klr650) Happy Holidays to everybody on the LIST ! Dear Friends, I've been lurking in the background (digest mode) for quite a while because work has been overwhelming. Now I will be on vacation, travelling to Europe, and back only sometimes mid-January. I just wanted to wish you guys a safe and happy Christmas, if you still ride, watch out for those icy spots (I almost fell last week, damn it!) and have a wonderful, successful, healthy, joyful, etc. next thousand years! Many happy kilometres! cheers, istvan Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:24:05 -0500 From: "Steve Secrest" Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arne Larsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR > > how the helmet > > thing got in here but I've always done that too. > > > > Steve in Cincy > > Sounds like he's got yopu mixed up with someone else... =^) > > Cheers, > > Arne I knew that! Was kinda funny tho ... had to go read my own post over to be sure Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:47:54 -0500 From: "Steve Secrest" Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron criswell" To: "Steve Secrest" Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) New here NKLR > Scuse me Steve, didn't mean you personally. Down here we always have Harley > types lurking around expounding on their limited knowledge of motorcycling. I > didn't mean you were of this group. I 'm sure they dom't even realize your > Goldwing is more American made than a Sportster. Guess I ought to explain > meself better. Just rattling. I 'm sure you have run across a Harley dude > that tries to tell you what is PC in motorcycling. > > Ron Criswell I don't hang around that crowd much but I know what your talking about. My Wing is built in America, the fit and finish proves it(YUK). As a matter-o-fact, it's made in Ohio just a couple of hours from here. I didn't take your note personally ... takes a LOT more than that to get to me ! BTW .... just got off the phone with a buyer for the Wing!!! Looks like the KLR is just around the corner .... 'course, there IS that XR650L sitting at a dealer between me and the KLR. Do you know of any comparisons between the two? I'm really itching for the XR as bad as for the KLR. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 18:13:26 -0800 From: George Basinet Subject: (klr650) Now it Runs Marvelous Mavens Many thanks to Richard, Kurt, Arne, Fredboe, Bill, Tom, Wayne and anyone else who helped with my carb problem. Took a 160 mile ride out to the desert and it ran great. Both bikes are running at the same time, it doesn't get much better. George (Thankfully) Escondido, CA Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:24:58 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Paint vs anodizing NKLR - ----- > >Excuse my ignorance, but what is "parkerizing"? > > It's a chemical process that lightly etches the steel and deposits a > thin coating of a phosphate compound, manganese phosphate being a common > one. Common applications are firearms and certain older model Harley > Davidson restorations. Common colors are flat gray and charcoal black. The > etched, matte surface o0f the parkerizing leaves a very good surface for > bonding of the subsequent coats of enamel (laquer, actualy) , which are then > baked in an oven. The stuff I use calls for three thin coats with ten min. > drying in between coats, then baking at 350 deg F for 35 min. This > combination is very, very tough to beat in my experience. > > As for aluminum, the other listers statement about the enamel on > aluminum is true: you can probably get much better adhesion by using the > approaches he outlined However, for many applications the Brownell's Baking > Laquer I use sticks to beat-blasted and preheated aluminum well enough for > many applications. Thanks for the info Tom (and everyone else). I've heard that acid etching aluminum is also a good prep for pre-painting. Cheers, Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 02:23:11 GMT From: "zootpatutie ." Subject: Re: (klr650) New here >From: "Steve Secrest" >Reply-To: "Steve Secrest" >To: >Subject: Re: (klr650) New here >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:02:07 -0500 > > > kickstart kits are an option for pre 96 models. since you can push >start >a > > dead battery (don't ask me how i know), there is question as to how > > important it is. > >So I take what you're saying is one couldn't install the pre 96 option on a >2000 model? nope >.... I don't think I could have push >started. The kicker >came in handy as all I had to do was catch it with my boot as I got on and >it fired right up. > >Steve in Cincy > my experience came scouting elk on a private ranch in eastern oregon. battery dead when i stopped for gas some harley riders had their kid give me the first push. after that it was horsing the beast around to get downhill after dumping on trackless downslopes, or running prayer on near flat roads. damn tiring but i got good at fading the clutch. would have liked the kickstart but don't know yet that it's worth the investment. made it home. :) > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >for info. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:14:07 -0800 From: "billmonahan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Now it Runs Took a 160 mile ride out > to the desert and it ran great. Both bikes are running at the same > time, it doesn't get much better. > > Well, George,.......what was it? (causing the non-running motor?) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:32:19 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR From: Kurt Simpson Subject: (klr650) Look what Gino did...NKLR > > I also talked with a couple that had a Bandit 1200 with a tall wind screen > > and Givi luggage. Thay have 30K miles and the Bandito and the only thing that > > has happened to it was a burned out turn signal bulb. It was a very good > > looking machine the way it was set up and the lady said the Corbin seat with > > back rest was very nice. Hope all is well. I said pardon? Is this the same Gino that said, "Bandit, puleeez give me a break", when I suggested it a couple months back as a sport tourer? =^) The list kept him sharp... he's obviously softened up since his departure. lol Cheers, Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1209 *****************************