From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1243 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1243 (klr650) winter clothes (long- nklr?) Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! (klr650) Potential Defector Amongst Us Re: (klr650) NKLR: Gas mileage Re: (klr650) NKLR: Gas mileage Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! Re: (klr650) winter clothes (long- nklr?) Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! Re: (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! Re: (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! (klr650) roadcrafters... NKLR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:22:43 -0700 From: "Dennis Angus" Subject: (klr650) winter clothes (long- nklr?) I've worked building high rise buildings for 30 years. Lots of time spent in northern Montana, Wyoming, Idaho. At times, temperatures won't get much above -25. Carhart clothing works okay but it isn't waterproof or completely windproof. Its bulky and very restrictive. I've tried to wear it while riding and it flat didn't work. Switched to gortex apparel several years ago and I won't wear anything else for work or riding. My slightly trashed MSR gortex,kevlar jacket with a tight polarfleece liner and thermals have worked down to -5 for extended riding. Pants are cross country gortex ski with expedition weight thermal bottoms. Danner gortex thinsulate leather boots work for the feet. Gloves are precurved finger gortex thinsulate. Rode Sunday for 5 hours part of the time spent up and down the local canyons looking at the skiers. Never felt the cold. Sure got stared at. Had to turn the mixture screw in two turns to keep the scoot from loading up. Probably need to find a little sweater for the air box. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:49:50 -0800 From: Alexander Yefimov Subject: Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:42:49 -0800 "Arne Larsen" writes: > > Vacuum controls the flow of gas from the petcock. I can't see it > working at > all RPM and then not at 6,000 though, unless it's slightly pinched > and not > allowing full flow... > I don't know if the vacuum to the petcock valve is constant or if it changes with the changing RPMs, but if it increases with an increase in RPMs then prehaps it is collapsing when the vacuum increases because of a weakness in the hose. This could potentially cause the petcock valve to close at high RPMs. Alex ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:34:11 -0800 From: "Steven van Twuyver" Subject: (klr650) Potential Defector Amongst Us I like my KLR for its low user input requirement and its truly utilitarian nature. I get on it without thinking about, and I can go anywhere and get almost 50mpg to boot. I love my Moto Guzzi for exactly the opposite reasons and I ride it infrequently. I enjoy owning it even more than the KLR as it sits parked in the garage like a piece of art on the wall. Every morning as I leave for work I admire its gracefulness however briefly as I pass through my garage. When I do ride it, it goes like a scalded cat. It stops in a shorter distance than the laws of physics would allow this much mass, but the 320mm disks will lock the front wheel with two fingers, and it will do so with little dive or twitchiness. It came stock with the best of breed for everything - White Power 40mm upside down forks, White Power monoshock, Marchesini wheels, Brembo brakes, Weber Marelli fuel injection, Pirelli tires - the list goes on. I even added Ventura soft luggage so I could tour on this most impractical bike -- all hunched over with very little little leg room. The weird thing is it is my most comfortable long-hauler. It requires total concentration to ride. It is never really happy below 75MPH - 4000RPM in 5th. It redlines at 8000 and doesn't struggle to get there. It tracks straight as an arrow and requires lots of physical prowess to turn -- you really have to muscle it. The excitement factor is proportional to its speed and when I'm on this bike, I am highly excitable. I save it for an occasional Sunday ride and make it an event, which lasts in my mind sometimes for weeks. Then I need another fix. But first I look after it and care for it before I go again. It probably doesn't need this, but I believe it needs me and so I put forth the time. Did I mention that I love this inatimate bucket of bolts with its slick blood red paint job? Moto Guzzi struggles to sell terrific machines. They are slightly non-mainstream, not necessarily utilitarian and usually cost a slight premium over a slick Jap equivalent. But that is the fallacy, they are truly unique from the build to the ride, nothing compares. Kurt, I've got no personal input on the Quota, but Guzzi makes a great bike, like the KLR only different. I've been practicing both religions for a while now and I've been converted, accepting both. Regards, Steven van Twuyver 98 650KLR 97 1100 Guzzi Sport ================================================================== >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:12:49 -0700 >From: "Kurt Simpson" >Subject: Quota... >Hi folks, I'm looking for some people who have some experience with the >Quota in Europe...are there people here who have some info or can you direct >me to a place I can get some feedback? >Kurt (not wanting to buy a GS) Simpson Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:47:15 +1100 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Gas mileage Steve Anderson wrote: ["CV"?] > The idea is that since the drop in > pressure at the venturi is proportional to velocity, the drop in pressure is > also constant, allowing the needle taper in the needle jet to be the most > significant variable controlling fuel flow into the airstream. Then "CV" could just as easily be "Constant Vacuum". Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:20:01 -0700 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Gas mileage Could be, but.. Honest, I remember when they coined the term. Steve A. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Palmer" To: "klr650" Sent: Tuesday, 21 December, 1999 4:47 Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Gas mileage Steve Anderson wrote: ["CV"?] > The idea is that since the drop in > pressure at the venturi is proportional to velocity, the drop in pressure is > also constant, allowing the needle taper in the needle jet to be the most > significant variable controlling fuel flow into the airstream. Then "CV" could just as easily be "Constant Vacuum". Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:18:03 -0700 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! No vacuum. It's "pressurized" from the weight of the fuel in the tank. If there was vacuum you could put the fuel below the carb, but try if you like, you can't! That's what fuel pumps are for, tanks lower than the carbs (see: auto's). - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Yefimov" To: Sent: Monday, 20 December, 1999 22:49 Subject: Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:42:49 -0800 "Arne Larsen" writes: > > Vacuum controls the flow of gas from the petcock. I can't see it > working at > all RPM and then not at 6,000 though, unless it's slightly pinched > and not > allowing full flow... > I don't know if the vacuum to the petcock valve is constant or if it changes with the changing RPMs, but if it increases with an increase in RPMs then prehaps it is collapsing when the vacuum increases because of a weakness in the hose. This could potentially cause the petcock valve to close at high RPMs. Alex ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:37:19 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) winter clothes (long- nklr?) At 09:22 PM 12/20/99 -0700, Dennis Angus wrote: >Gloves are precurved finger gortex thinsulate. What brand of winter glove do you prefer - without electric heat? Stuart A12 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:46:34 -0500 From: "Walter Lesnowich" Subject: Re: (klr650) @#$%* petcock valve! From: "Steve Anderson" > No vacuum. It's "pressurized" from the weight of the fuel in the tank. If > there was vacuum you could put the fuel below the carb, but try if you like, > you can't! That's what fuel pumps are for, tanks lower than the carbs (see: > auto's). > > When the petcock is in the 'on' or 'res' position it is normally closed by pressure of a spring unless vacuum is applied to the diaphragm to overcome the spring and allow fuel to flow. Walt - Aw14 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:09:31 -0800 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! Strange but true. Yes, Santa arrived early for me this year and left me two little, roughly cylindrical shaped pieces of machined aluminum. I'm like so EXCITED because of what I beleive these will do for the handling of my KLR. Eldon, where ever you are, you KLR techno-master you, may these words of glee find you even though you avoid the internet..... Small in size but big in effect........on paper these.... specially designed Top Caps for the front forks tubes will do away with high speed instability/wobble/squirrelishness of the front end and improve rake and trail so as to make all of handling 'optimum' (all other factors being equal and set for best handling). I can't wait to put them on.....but I'll probably wait until I can upgrade to the newest Progressives for the front and do the three other tricks to the front end(axle shim, anodize lowers, re-valve lowers) and do it all at the same time. Things have never been so good.........keep ya posted! Slide(Cal Posse) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:41:58 EST From: TLrydr@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! So what is it, A fork brace, Mike In a message dated 12/21/99 11:15:02 AM EST, jazranch@jetlink.net writes: << Small in size but big in effect........on paper these.... specially designed Top Caps for the front forks tubes will do away with high speed instability/wobble/squirrelishness of the front end and improve rake and trail so as to make all of handling 'optimum' (all other factors being equal and set for best handling). >> Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:37:07 EST From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Santa arrives early in So. Cal.!!! > specially designed Top Caps for the front forks tubes > >> So what is it, A fork brace, Tob scored some fork caps. Photo at this site; http://members.aol.com/cloudhid/EldenCaps.jpg Redondo Ron A10 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:54:48 -0800 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: (klr650) roadcrafters... NKLR - --I query--- >> but does anyone know a woman who's happy >> with her Roadcrafter or Darien? - --Kurt replies--- > The Roadcrafter is designed to fit more snugly, too form, > if you will. You can have just about every aspect of it > altered. You can have the top tapered > to the waist, you can have waist added or taken away, > sleeves or legs lengthened or shortened above or below > the waist, etc. My SO is a slender 5' 10" and she looks > awfully good in my size 44 Roadcrafter...it gives her > plenty of room for extra clothes if she needs them. > > The Darien is a loose baggy fit and no one is going to > look great in it...it is just more comfortable all the way > around in winter and summer IMO... - --I rant--- I wasn't talking about looks! geez, like that's all a grrl's gonna care about. No, actually I was inquiring after the waterproofness of the crotch seam/zipper area due to the extra stresses a woman's hips put on the garment as compared to a guys hips. Sheesh! *mutter mutter* Sarah Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1243 *****************************