From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #126 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:38:10 -0700 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650)NKLR oil changes >OK. So I searched the archives and I'm going to go buy some Mobil 1 >synthetic motor oil in a weight appropriate to the list in the manual. >15W50 or 10W40 depending on what the back of the can says is better for >So Cal conditions. If this is horribly wrong, please, somebody, stop me >before I do it. > >Sarah > >-- Sarah, I`ve been seriously studying mechanical lubrication for the past 9 years ( part of my job) and keep up with with new research and developments as it comes out. I attend at least two lubrication/petroleum symposiums a year. I regularly deal with engineer reps from Mobil, Shell and Phillips. I am a registered subscriber to the SAE and Aerospace publication papers and digests. The above is only to give you an idea of how seriously keep up with FACTUAL research and posits on lubrication, this is not a hobby, it directly pertains to my work and interests. There is a lot of myths, old wives tales and misinformation out there on oil and lubrication. Some is well intended but wrong, some is pure unproved propaganda by oil companies and additive companies to help sell a product. Some is from individuals that have tried " x product" and then say the results were " this or that " when in fact there were too many other variables and operating conditions to be accurate or trustworthy in YOUR application. You are doing well to not trust everything you hear. Check and research before ever doing anything that is potentially harmful or untried on your bike. Now, to answer your question. I attended an annual clinic two weeks ago that had reps from Shell, Mobil and Phillips giving talks. Afterwards, during a question and answer session, I asked about the use of synthetics in wet clutch motorcycles and the response was the same from all: First, 15w50 and 20W50 was the recommended weight for warmer weather and climes ( Cal.) while 5W40 and 5W50 was the recommended for cold weather. For mixed and all season use, the 15W50 was recommended. The common view was that for some une xplained reason, 10W40 was an inferior weight blend. The valve problems Chevrolet 350`s and some motorcycles had had in the past was cited. The following consensus was expressed by Mobil and Shell: in the wet clutch motorcycle, some bikes (same makes and models) experience clutch slippage with the use of synthetic oil, therefore, try it, and if you experience slippage, discontinue use, change the oil back to a mineral base, put a few miles on it and change the oil again ( with filter change each time). No damage has been documented following this procedure. Also, filter changes at each oil change is seriously recommended when using synthetic oil as synthetic oil tends to loosen deposits and entraps solid contaminants better than mineral oils, which explains the results of engines at teardown being cleaner when synthetic oil has been used. I`ll post later some other things I checked on at the request of some other Listers that knew I was attending the lubrication/petroleum siminar. So go for it Sarah, and let us know how it`s working for you. Skip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:51:18 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: JB Weld Stephen, clamp your shift lever in a vice so that it is compressed shut as if a bolt were tight, but don't put the bolt in. Take your hack saw and cut through the slit that is compressed shut so that you are cutting away the thickness of the saw blade and try that on the shaft, if it is better, but not quite perfect, do it again to remove more metal. If that doesn't work, don't dispair, removing the shaft is not a complex task. Good luck, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:03:09 -0800 From: "ripkid" Subject: (klr650) JB Weld (NKLR) Shift lever Ricky-Rig Other ideas on how to > mate lever to the shaft would also be appreciated. Stephen Rivett Steve, - ----------- When I was in my early teens (comin' up on twenty years ago), I remember stripping the post on my Yami 100. I drilled a hole between where the shifter and shaft clamp together. I then drove a piece of heavy copper (?) wire into the hole as a kind of key-lock. It seemed to work well as the copper was malleable enough to be pulled or drilled out when I had to get past it to the innards. I left a hunk sticking out and remember replacing it a couple times before moving on to bigger and better machines. Just be thoughtful as to your positioning when you make your move, there's not a whole lot of area on the post to work with. I would say the drill bit was around a sixteenth? Rik ------- damn I miss my Fathers work shop! A13 **raining again in Seattle, surprise, surprise. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:06:47 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) JB Weld (NKLR) Shift lever Ricky-Rig Thanks for the help everybody! I've not enough ideas to keep me busy for a year (somebody stole my drill...) Stephen Rivett p.s. Never assume a new driver knows which side the kickstart is on - -----Original Message----- From: ripkid To: klr Date: March 13, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: (klr650) JB Weld (NKLR) Shift lever Ricky-Rig >Other ideas on how to >> mate lever to the shaft would also be appreciated. Stephen Rivett > >Steve, >----------- >When I was in my early teens (comin' up on twenty years ago), I remember >stripping the post on my Yami 100. I drilled a hole between where the >shifter and shaft clamp together. I then drove a piece of heavy copper (?) >wire into the hole as a kind of key-lock. It seemed to work well as the >copper was malleable enough to be pulled or drilled out when I had to get >past it to the innards. I left a hunk sticking out and remember replacing it >a couple times before moving on to bigger and better machines. Just be >thoughtful as to your positioning when you make your move, there's not a >whole lot of area on the post to work with. I would say the drill bit was >around a sixteenth? > >Rik ------- damn I miss my Fathers work shop! >A13 > > >**raining again in Seattle, surprise, surprise. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:28:45 -0800 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Soft luggage security Wonderful!..Thanks for the url Rob. I was thinking about making something like this, but heck if somebody sells it and the price is right....looks like it would go great with some ortlieb dry bags. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Gendreau To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: (klr650) Soft luggage security >I've noticed that in choosing between soft luggage and hard luggage one of >the factors most frequently mentioned here is security from theft. I gotta >admit I like soft luggage (especially the cost), but I do a lot of worrying >about theft when I'm in the store, etc. I've just resigned myself to trying >to be vigilant. > >Anyway, I came across a thing called a Pacsafe in Backpacker magazine. It's >a wire mesh that fits over a backpack with an aperture that cinches up, >allowing the backpack to be secured within the mesh, and then locked to an >object or worn. The mesh is fairly wide, and I suppose somebody with >dexterity and a little time could get small objects out of pockets, but no >way is your camera gonna get through. Pretty ingenious. Take a peek at ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:16:24 EST From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Ventura racks In a message dated 3/13/99 1:25:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, OlZorro@aol.com writes: << Has anyone mounted the Ventura rack on the KLR? If so, do you lose the back rack; where do the brackets attach? Thanks in advance for your help. >> Unless they have come out with a new rack, the Ventura will not work on a US spec KLR. You will want to verify that it will fit a KLR650A model, not a KLR650C model. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:32:57 -0500 From: John Buffett Subject: Re: (klr650) Soft luggage security Just a quick thought. (Not too much thought really) Its late. What about chicken wire or a similar product dipped in that plasti-dip stuff for tool handles. Trim with rubber hose or plastic tubing. Put a Wal-Mart padlock on it. Make sense or am I just sleep deprived. Regards John Vik Banerjee wrote: > Wonderful!..Thanks for the url Rob. I was thinking about making something > like this, but heck if somebody sells it and the price is right....looks > like it would go great with some ortlieb dry bags. > > Cheers, > > Vik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Gendreau > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 6:34 PM > Subject: (klr650) Soft luggage security > > >I've noticed that in choosing between soft luggage and hard luggage one of > >the factors most frequently mentioned here is security from theft. I gotta > >admit I like soft luggage (especially the cost), but I do a lot of worrying > >about theft when I'm in the store, etc. I've just resigned myself to trying > >to be vigilant. > > > >Anyway, I came across a thing called a Pacsafe in Backpacker magazine. It's > >a wire mesh that fits over a backpack with an aperture that cinches up, > >allowing the backpack to be secured within the mesh, and then locked to an > >object or worn. The mesh is fairly wide, and I suppose somebody with > >dexterity and a little time could get small objects out of pockets, but no > >way is your camera gonna get through. Pretty ingenious. Take a peek at - -- As you wander on throught life my friend, whatever be your goal. o_/| o_. [\_| [\_\ (`----|-------\-') ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~ Keep your eye upon the donut, and never on the hole. John Northern Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:54:59 -0800 From: Mike Magier Subject: (klr650) Oil Leak Hey listers . . . I'm digging the physics of brakes thread (for real - keeps me thinking), but I have a down-to-earth, real-world question. In the last month, I've noticed a bit of oil on the right engine case. It SEEMS to be coming from the clutch "thrust rod" (is that the right term, or is my mind just in the gutter) opening. I only notice it if I've been pushing things a bit, like 90+ mph for 15-20 minutes. The quantity isn't much, my sight-glass tells me I haven't lost anything significant, but I hate to think of my beloved GroundHog giving up any of its precious bodily fluids. I haven't yet done the obvious - degrease the engine, put on a bit of talcum powder and ride. However, I do want to know if anyone else hase experienced this, and what the general concensus is - should I be worried? Here's the pertinent data: A12 8500 mi. Mobil 1 15w50 every 3000 mi with new filter filled to top of sight glass never down, never opened the case (just getting psyched for valve check/adjust) Thanks in advance for you support. Mike Magier 98 GroudHog (soon to be owner of Honda ST1100, too !!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:28:28 -0800 From: brbo@uniserve.com Subject: (klr650) Avon AM24 Front Tire This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------C7A8ADBADCD75228903E6962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reviewing the archives for some information on the AM24 Gripsters for the front of the KLR, I came up empty. Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the Avon vs. the Pirelli MT21 on the front of the bike. I am in the process of installing the new Avon on the rear, and need some help for the front tire. Currently burning off the OEM Dunlop in the front and I really don't like it's ability in large riverbed rock and sand, they do an OK job on hard pack and blacktop. Any info. on different front tire brands, are welcome... Any thoughts about mixing f/r tires with different brands/tread pattern for safety.. Thanks Brian A12CE,7k - --------------C7A8ADBADCD75228903E6962 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="brbo.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for ƒÄ‹Ž¨ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="brbo.vcf" begin:vcard n:Bonenfant;Brian x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:brbo@uniserve.com fn:Brian Bonenfant end:vcard - --------------C7A8ADBADCD75228903E6962-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 21:36:28 PST From: "alyef@iname.com" Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - NKLR > FTabor231@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/12/99 11:44:17 AM Central Standard Time, > > marbach@nucleus.com writes: > Because the frictional force is a function of the > molecular structures of the two materials (brake pad and rotor) AND of = the > speed > at which the two are passing. Tim, When I was going though engineering school I was taught that dynamic fric= tion is NOT a function of the relative speed of the of the surfaces. Dyn= amic friction is a function of the normal force, surfaces/matarials, and = area of contact. Alex (mechanical engineer) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:03:13 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: JB Weld - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rivett To: KLR650-List Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:08 PM Subject: (klr650) NKLR: JB Weld >Unfortunately the splines on both my shift lever and the shaft that comes >out of my gearbox have worn out. If I were to JB Weld the two pieces >together how would I go about removing them later on? Other ideas on how to >mate lever to the shaft would also be appreciated. Stephen Rivett > I think the drill-through idea would be the way to go. A bit won't cost you any more than a tube of JB Weld anyways. Use a bit in around a 3/16", drill straight up-n-down or down-n-up :o , then fit it with a nice stainless steel bolt with a nylock nut on the bottom. Should hold up fine. Arne - with a degree in farm-engineering ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:07:56 -0800 (PST) From: KLR650@webtv.net (Conall O'Brien) Subject: (klr650) Stripped gearshift spline? Stephen- I used to have the same problem on my 1990, that is I couldn't tighten the gear shifter tight enough. The IMS gear shifter took care of that problem and I wish I had bought one sooner. Fred Hink has 'em. JB weld may be cheaper, but you'd want to be able remove the shifter,which would be very difficult wth JB, I believe. Conall A4 "skyhawk" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:30:51 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Windshield bracing/Saeng |2)Mixed reviews on the Saeng Stealth edging, huh? What I'm really waiting for is for someone to use the Saeng "Winglets"...Gino calls them the wings of Mercury and thought he would mount a pair on his helmet...reminds me more of the early Mallard trailers with those beautiful wings to the rear (g)...I may be the guy... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:33:18 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) KLR sex appeal... |thinks some bikes are dead sexy but told me, "At least you're never going |to attract any women with that goofy looking Kawasaki." Darling, I |resemble that remark! my SO would agree with that "too much plastic" but give her a V-Max and it is an entirely different story...she likes tender wisdom-filled men (she's still looking) and hard macho bikes.... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:35:02 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Ventura racks |<< Has anyone mounted the Ventura rack on the KLR? If so, do you lose the |back | rack; where do the brackets attach? Thanks in advance for your help. | >> | |Unless they have come out with a new rack, the Ventura will not work on a US |spec KLR. You will want to verify that it will fit a KLR650A model, not a |KLR650C model. | |Gino Gino's right on this...I went round and round with them last year, I think I even called New Zealand...at any rate there was a breakthrough for a time until they finally got serious and said no it wouldn't fit the A models... Better opt for Obe Wan's racks... Kurt ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #126 ****************************