From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1349 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, January 21 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1349 (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. RE: (klr650) Spring Industry Announcement #1...NKLR (klr650) F650 or Pegaso NKLR (klr650) New F650 (klr650) NKLR frozen north Re: (klr650) Skid Plates Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. RE: (klr650) MENSA wizards Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. Re: (klr650) Another Insurance Question Re: (klr650) Skid Plates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:31:48 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. > The new chromed progressive... A question for the list... I'm assuming that the chroming of the new springs was done to reduce friction. Would the chrome not flake off after time? Or is there enough flexability in chrome to handle the constant movement? And if there is a real benefit to having chromed springs (corrosion resistance and reduced friction), could not a person take his original progressives, de-grease all the oil off, wire wheel them until they're "smoooooth", then get them chromed locally? Are there different types of chroming so that a person should ask for a specific type suitable for this application? Where's Elden Carl when you need him... =^) Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:41:41 -0700 From: Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. To the best of my limited knowledge, it would be more appropiate (from a friction reduction perspective) to actually plate the inside of the shock rather than the sprink. The brittleness of chromeplating is well known (under conventional processess). If conventional processess are used on the spring, I would certainly expect cohesive failure of the chrome steel alloy interface. That leads me to wonder if a novel plating process is being used. The most immediate use of chrome plating I can think of is the use of plating within the interior of gun and cannon barrels. The primary purpose of this plating is for corrosion control with a secondary function of a friction reducer. But again I emphasize, this is a "conventional" use. I would certainly like to know if the spring has been treated with a new novel process. Arne Larsen wrote: > > The new chromed progressive... > > A question for the list... I'm assuming that the chroming of the new springs > was done to reduce friction. Would the chrome not flake off after time? Or > is there enough flexability in chrome to handle the constant movement? And > if there is a real benefit to having chromed springs (corrosion resistance > and reduced friction), could not a person take his original progressives, > de-grease all the oil off, wire wheel them until they're "smoooooth", then > get them chromed locally? Are there different types of chroming so that a > person should ask for a specific type suitable for this application? > > Where's Elden Carl when you need him... =^) > > Arne > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message > to majordomo@lists.xmission.com > leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: > subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe > klr650-digest). Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:02:20 -0500 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. chidelt@uswest.net wrote: > That leads me to wonder if a novel plating process is being used. just because it is shiny doesn't mean that it is "chrome" in the traditional sense. I still am wondering what value it would add. I wouldn't think corrosion would ever be a problem sloshing around with the oil unless there is not enough...... What is the proper amount?....... :<) Mark McCoy Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:23:48 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: RE: (klr650) Spring Industry Announcement #1...NKLR you don't you get a chip upgrade...(g) Kurt > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arne Larsen > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:24 AM > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (klr650) Spring Industry Announcement #1...NKLR > > > From: Kurt Simpson > Subject: (klr650) Spring Industry Announcement #1...NKLR > > > This is the one that a few of us have been looking for the long-rumored > BMW F650 GS..... > > > > www.cannon-bmw.co.uk/canews.htm > > So... how would you re-jet the "digital motor electronics fuel injection"? > 8^O > > Cheers, > > Arne > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message > to majordomo@lists.xmission.com > leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: > subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe > klr650-digest). > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:41:03 EST From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: (klr650) F650 or Pegaso NKLR I stopped by our new Aprilia dealership (which is also the BMW dealership) to take a gander at the Aprilia Pegaso. Very nice indeed. I know the F650 and the Pegaso share the same platform, but the Pegaso feels 80% the size of the F650. Pegaso scores a TKO. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:50:19 -0500 From: dobeman@sprint.ca Subject: (klr650) New F650 This just posted to the DUST list. BMW's new F650GS; http://www.cannon-bmw.co.uk/canews.htm Enjoy! Karl Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 00 11:47:53 PST From: rob_macleod@bylgate.dbylaw.com Subject: (klr650) NKLR frozen north Hi listers, it's been a while. It's -23 degrees Celsius here in northern BC and sitting on my A12 making Supertrapp-like noises is just not like the real thing. Anyone got any good/humorous suggestions on how to while away the long cold winter? Cheers, Rob Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:00:22 -0800 From: Rich Kickbush Subject: Re: (klr650) Skid Plates What about a flush- mounting drain plug? With a large flat face, allen key insert (large) and you could even make it magnetic? Just seems that if you have a hole in the plate for access (mandatory for me - wearing out clamp threads every time you do an oil change? Nahh...) you are going to compromise the strength of the plate in that area. Given the amount of aviation some of our KLR's see, I think its always 'possible' to bend the plate, you just need a hit hard enough. With a flush-mount plug, you wouldn't have to worry, and the stock MSR's would work fine. How many riders HAVE ripped out or damaged their plug in this manner, anyway? Fred Hink wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "e. rhoads" > To: "Fred Hink" > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: (klr650) Skid Plates > > > > > > I have been in touch with the Moose/MSR skid plate guys and we are > working > > > on tuning up their jigs to make the KLR skid plate fit better. If we > need > > > more protection for the drain plug, let me know so we can add that to > the > > > mix. > > > > > > ===== Fred, sounds like a good idea. I wasn't pleased to see the lack > of > > protection for the drain plug and Verle's observation about the plate > > bending on impact further exposing the plug, well... The thing that > bugged > > me the most is that the drain plug sticks out slightly below the skid > plate. > > Since one would use a socket to get the plug out it should be effectively > > recessed to begin with. Or so it seems to me. > > > > thanks, > > eric > > > > > > > > If we could get some help from some of "the engineers" out there on this, it > would help me give an idea to the manufacturer of these skid plates what > needs to be changed. > > The original problem seems to be that Kawasaki decided to make the KLR with > the drain plug below the bottom level of the frame tubes. The manufacturer > of the Moose/MSR skid plate made their skid plate with a bend in the bottom > flat plate to clear the drain plug. This design is ok for most all impacts > but I would imagine that if you hit just right with something solid then you > could bend the skid plate exposing the drain plug. > > The manufacturer of the White Bros. skid plate makes theirs with an added > extra piece below a cutout for the drain plug which then doesn't allow you > to remove the drain plug without taking off the skid plate. The WB skid > plate also has lower side protection and no vent holes in the front, along > with the wimpy front mounts. (right Arne?) This is the reason I don't sell > WB skid plates any longer. > > So there isn't a perfect skid plate out there for the KLR. I believe that > the Moose/MSR is the best that we have so far but could be improved with a > little help. > > Let me hear from you! > > Fred > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message > to majordomo@lists.xmission.com > leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: > subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe > klr650-digest). Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:35:35 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. > just because it is shiny doesn't mean that it is "chrome" in the traditional sense. I'ts my understanding that Progressive refers to it as Chromed... > What is the proper amount?....... :<) Just in case you were serious... 420 ml (+/- 4) on a complete change. Cheers, Arne KLR650 Listmeister Eh 13 www.mac-d.com MAC-D Homepage http://members.dencity.com/candidcamera My Motorcycle Rides Page Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:38:52 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) MENSA wizards Gino, the meek shall inherit the Earth.... after the loud and proud guys screw it up. :-) The meek shall inherit the earth but not its mineral rights. John Paul Getty Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:24:40 -0500 From: "Walter Lesnowich" Subject: Re: (klr650) Suspension Woes... need some advice. > From: Mark McCoy > > just because it is shiny doesn't mean that it is "chrome" in the > traditional sense. > From: "Arne Larsen" > I'ts my understanding that Progressive refers to it as Chromed... > > I'm just speculating but their reference to Chromed may not mean plated but just appearance as in high nickel content. Maybe someone in the know can contact Progressive for clarification? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:16:48 EST From: TebKLR@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Another Insurance Question I found a good deal at Progressive. Full coverage (with high liability limits, too) on my 2000 KLR 650 is only $108/yr. No lay-up clauses, either. 46 yrs old, no tickets (not recently anyway!) Shop around! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:41:43 -0800 From: "Steve/Amy Becker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Skid Plates Right on on that flush oil plug. or it might be nice if someone would design a super KLR around the existing oil plug. - -----Original Message----- From: Rich Kickbush To: Fred Hink Cc: KLR List ; e. rhoads Date: Friday, January 21, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Skid Plates >What about a flush- mounting drain plug? With a large flat face, allen key >insert (large) and you could even make it magnetic? Just seems that if you have >a hole in the plate for access (mandatory for me - wearing out clamp threads >every time you do an oil change? Nahh...) you are going to compromise the >strength of the plate in that area. Given the amount of aviation some of our >KLR's see, I think its always 'possible' to bend the plate, you just need a hit >hard enough. With a flush-mount plug, you wouldn't have to worry, and the >stock MSR's would work fine. How many riders HAVE ripped out or damaged their >plug in this manner, anyway? > >Fred Hink wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "e. rhoads" >> To: "Fred Hink" >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:31 AM >> Subject: Re: (klr650) Skid Plates >> >> > >> > > I have been in touch with the Moose/MSR skid plate guys and we are >> working >> > > on tuning up their jigs to make the KLR skid plate fit better. If we >> need >> > > more protection for the drain plug, let me know so we can add that to >> the >> > > mix. >> > > >> > > ===== Fred, sounds like a good idea. I wasn't pleased to see the lack >> of >> > protection for the drain plug and Verle's observation about the plate >> > bending on impact further exposing the plug, well... The thing that >> bugged >> > me the most is that the drain plug sticks out slightly below the skid >> plate. >> > Since one would use a socket to get the plug out it should be effectively >> > recessed to begin with. Or so it seems to me. >> > >> > thanks, >> > eric >> > >> > >> > >> >> If we could get some help from some of "the engineers" out there on this, it >> would help me give an idea to the manufacturer of these skid plates what >> needs to be changed. >> >> The original problem seems to be that Kawasaki decided to make the KLR with >> the drain plug below the bottom level of the frame tubes. The manufacturer >> of the Moose/MSR skid plate made their skid plate with a bend in the bottom >> flat plate to clear the drain plug. This design is ok for most all impacts >> but I would imagine that if you hit just right with something solid then you >> could bend the skid plate exposing the drain plug. >> >> The manufacturer of the White Bros. skid plate makes theirs with an added >> extra piece below a cutout for the drain plug which then doesn't allow you >> to remove the drain plug without taking off the skid plate. The WB skid >> plate also has lower side protection and no vent holes in the front, along >> with the wimpy front mounts. (right Arne?) This is the reason I don't sell >> WB skid plates any longer. >> >> So there isn't a perfect skid plate out there for the KLR. I believe that >> the Moose/MSR is the best that we have so far but could be improved with a >> little help. >> >> Let me hear from you! >> >> Fred >> >> Visit the KLR650 archives at >> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net >> To subscribe/unsubscribe send message >> to majordomo@lists.xmission.com >> leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: >> subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe >> klr650-digest). > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net >To subscribe/unsubscribe send message >to majordomo@lists.xmission.com >leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: >subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe >klr650-digest). 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