From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1498 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1498 Re: (klr650) Re: BringMoneyWith NKLR (klr650) STP Additive: NKLR Re: (klr650) Re: Wider front tire. (klr650) High Altitude Operation. (klr650) Master Link... Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Re: (klr650) Inuvik Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Re: (klr650) Drilling the air box (klr650) NKLR Listmeister Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:48:05 EST From: EPhilride@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: BringMoneyWith NKLR > > Not happy today......... gotta pay 215 bucks for a BMW R11RA front > > master cyl. assy. as the Germans don't think we can change out just the > > piston seals. Sucks huh? > > I believe the initials stand for Bring Money With, nowadays.< I thought it was ..............Bust My Wallet Knot Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:14:50 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) STP Additive: NKLR Brian- I think the STP additive in the black bottle you mention is (was?) the "newer car" version. And it does (did?) reportedly have the zinc and phosphorous that is missing from the newer car oils. I have a suspicion that STP stopped making it though. I can no longer find it, and the red and blue versions no longer mention it on the back labels. I've yet to find the "Supra" version you mention. Would like to know what you find out. Darrel From: I remember some time back, a discussion about a 'STP Additive' not the STP Engine Treatment in the red and blue bottles.... but the STP in the black bottle... The one I found is called 'STP Supra Additive',, essentially the discussion ended at the fact that it added the necessary _____________ missing in the current SJ rated oils to make them closer to an SE rating.... I guess my question is this STP Supra Additive the one everyone mentioned to use along with and SJ rated oil to make it KLR friendly...?? Thanks for any information,, Brian A12CE,24K GSX750FX,3K Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:15:17 -0800 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Wider front tire. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tobin Lampson" To: "Fred Hink" Cc: "lists" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: (klr650) Re: Wider front tire. > Fred Hink wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tobin Lampson" > > To: "Fred Hink" ; "lists" > > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 3:50 PM > > Subject: Wider front tire. > > > > > Fred/Crew- > > > Anyone know of 'any' manufacterer who makes a 3.50-21, or > > > wider, front tire will fit the 21' rim? > > > > > > Slide > > > > > > > The widest tire I can find is the Cheng Shin C755 knobby in a 3.25/3.50 X > > 21. There are several others including Maxis, Kenda and a few others that > > make a 3.25 X 21 but they are all pretty cheap tires. The better tires are > > all 80/90 X 21 or 2.75/3.00 X 21. > > > > Fred > > Fred, > Wow. Considering the variety of motorcycles(KLR or heavier), isn't > there > a need for larger front shoes? > Seems like larger front tires would be called for on the bigger bikes, > especially for offroad. Am I clueless? > > Toby I started riding when bikes had 19" front wheels. When "enduros" went to 21" front wheels there was a noticeable handling improvement. If you want to go back to a 19" wheel, you will have a better selection of wider tires but I don't think you will like the handling off road. Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:15:55 -0800 From: "R. Hoskins" Subject: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. KLR listers, Does anyone have any experience with KLR650s at high altitudes? A small group of us are going to be taking our KLRs into Napal and Tibet later this year. This trip is going to include crossing a series of high altitude passes including three passes over 17,000 ft and several weeks riding at altitudes above 10,000 ft. Is the KLR going to need to be rejetted when we get to high altitude or will it just keep purring along? While most of have not had the opportunity of riding our KLRs at 17,000 ft altitudes, there are places (Pikes Peak and Mt. Evans) in the US where roads get into the 14,000 ft range. How did the bike still have plenty of power or did you have to push it reach the top? Thanks Randy Hoskins New Owner of a KLR650-A9 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:41:22 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) Master Link... From: "gmeisterzrx" I removed the drive chain by grinding off a link, and want to reinstall it using a masterlink. The problem is, no one around here can locate a masterlink for an EK 520 0-ring chain. The bike has about 8k miles on it and the chain and sprockets seem to be in pretty good shape. I bought the bike second hand so I don't know if the EK chain is factory. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Mike Magnatta Bay Shore, New York ********************************* Mike- If the EK chain is stock, your local Kaw dealer can get you a master- link for it. If you want the part number you should be able to find it in the archives. Try Darrel & master link. Darrel Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:42:15 -0800 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Randy, This is not an answer to what you ask. Its another related concern....and question. While in the cold of high altitude, my A7, does not like to start. Even with a starter system that is in good order, and a battery 8mo.s old.......my machine has a very hard time turning over at around 32'F. I've helped it by external warming and by using synthetic crankcase oil....but, anyone remedy this directly? Is there a high cold cranking amp battery out there? Thanks Slide R. Hoskins wrote: > > KLR listers, > > Does anyone have any experience with KLR650s at high altitudes? A small > group of us are going to be taking our KLRs into Napal and Tibet later > this year. This trip is going to include crossing a series of high > altitude passes including three passes over 17,000 ft and several weeks > riding at altitudes above 10,000 ft. Is the KLR going to need to be > rejetted when we get to high altitude or will it just keep purring > along? > > While most of have not had the opportunity of riding our KLRs at 17,000 > ft altitudes, there are places (Pikes Peak and Mt. Evans) in the US > where roads get into the 14,000 ft range. How did the bike still have > plenty of power or did you have to push it reach the top? > > Thanks > > Randy Hoskins > New Owner of a KLR650-A9 > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message > to majordomo@lists.xmission.com > leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: > subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. > Let's keep this List SPAM free. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:56:05 EST From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Inuvik In a message dated 02/27/2000 11:50:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, nookie@telus.net writes: << A Kilimanjaro set or Aerostitch set will work excellent for you. BUT, in addition to that, I would also run an electric vest and grip heaters. I know there is always the controversy surrounding the ability/inability of the KLR's electrical system being able to support these items, but if your electrical hook-ups are sound, and your battery is in good shape, and you use them mainly for high-speed travel, you will not have any problems. Vik ran his Aerostitch Unobtanium vest; Electric grip heaters; Dual headlights; and GPS all the way back from Moab to his home in Alberta with no troubles whatsoever. >> I agree. Use some common sense and stay away from auto thermostats for the electric riding gear. I use a simple on off switch on mine and have no problems. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:46:34 -0800 From: "billmonahan" Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. > While in the cold of high altitude, my A7, does not like > to start. Even with a starter system that is in good order, and > a battery 8mo.s old.......my machine has a very hard time turning > over at around 32'F. > I've helped it by external warming and by using synthetic crankcase > oil....but, anyone remedy this directly? > Is there a high cold cranking amp battery out there? In my trips on bmws and klrs into the local mountains (Sierra and Rockies) I've found that they are all a little reluctant to start and also to idle correctly until warmed, which also seems to take a little longer to achieve. The KLR requires full choke and doesn't want to idle for some time. I am of the mind that air density and temperature are the factors at play here. The last two beemers were fuel injected, by prior to that my R80RT showed the same tendencies.......harder starting, and more choke was necessary.. I've no idea how it would be at 17,000 feet, thought. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:05:39 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Your pretty much at sea level correct ? and your having trouble turning it over cold ? once started how does it run with choke on and using the throttle ? or is it just the during the cranking it's not 100% ? Jus' wondering,, B.. Tobin Lampson wrote: > my machine has a very hard time turning over at around 32'F. > I've helped it by external warming and by using synthetic crankcase > oil....but, anyone remedy this directly? > Is there a high cold cranking amp battery out there? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:05:03 EST From: ATO137528@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Drilling the air box I could always tell my bike was stuffed up somewhere at high rpm's...couldn't breath. After the K&N and a few holes to the box (and jet kit), my first WFO run through the gears was significantly better! The tach would run to red line in a hurry as opposed to lasily after about 5000 rpm. The motor revs much quicker now and sounds like it's getting a chance to breath. Same story as when I installed a K&N in my high-reving DOHC car... Also opened up the air box there too. Big changes at high rpm. Have K&N's in all the cars in the family now! LOL As far a a dyno check...I don't care. The motor revs quicker and seems much happier. That's good enuf for me! Lamar A14 (breathing easier) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:14:17 PST From: "cosmo bojinski" Subject: (klr650) NKLR Listmeister Yes Arne you're doing a great job! Admitting that you are a thespian (not that there's anything wrong with that) was brave too. Huh?......cosmo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:56:11 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. > Does anyone have any experience with KLR650s at high altitudes? A small > group of us are going to be taking our KLRs into Napal and Tibet later > this year. This trip is going to include crossing a series of high > altitude passes including three passes over 17,000 ft and several weeks > riding at altitudes above 10,000 ft. Is the KLR going to need to be > rejetted when we get to high altitude or will it just keep purring > along? I was sent a free dial-a-jet kit by the folks that produce them up in Minnnnnnesooooota for snow mobiles and such.. Gino did a brief round-up, if anyone wants to drill a hole in their carb and promises to do a superb job of writing up the whole procedure I'll send you the kit for just this kind of application... Kurt Editor I think of Dual Sport News... Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:32:40 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. Subject: Re: (klr650) High Altitude Operation. > Tobin Lampson wrote: > > > my machine has a very hard time turning over at around 32'F. > > I've helped it by external warming and by using synthetic crankcase > > oil....but, anyone remedy this directly? > > Is there a high cold cranking amp battery out there? From: Brian > Your pretty much at sea level correct ? and your having trouble turning it over > cold ? once started how does it run with choke on and using the throttle ? or > is it just the during the cranking it's not 100% ? > Jus' wondering,, B.. You over-snipped... =^) Toby started by saying, "While in the cold of high altitude, my A7, does not like to start. Even with a starter system that is in good order, and a battery 8mo.s old.......my machine has a very hard time turning over at around 32'F." So... his bike's at high altitude when this problem occurs. He also didn't mention a problem with the "running" of the bike, so let's assume that once running - it works fine. What weight oil are you running Toby? My guess... and it's just that, a guess, is that your automatic de-compression thingy might not be working properly. When things are warm and toasty, the starting system might have enough oomph to compensate. But when cold, it needs the help that the de-compression thingy (technical term) provides. Cheers, Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@softhome.net To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 or klr650-digest. Let's keep this List SPAM free. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1498 *****************************