From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, April 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 237 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:01:52 -0400 From: Bryan Moody Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles Sigma BC-800 or BC-1100 - -- Bryan Moody Greensboro, NC 86 Concours, 94 KLR650 COG Southeast Area Director http://www.concours.org/se IBA: BBG, CCC Gold Mike Ratta wrote: > > Does anyone out there have a favorite model that has good accuracy? Mine is > 5mph off at 35 and like 15mph off at ~90. I think the unit isnt fast > enough.. its meant for placement at the end of the spoke so it makes slower > rotations. I've had to mount it lower on the brake rotor. Time to replace it > with something that works. someone here said to avoid wireless units before, > which is a shame since it would make life with inverted forks easier. > Comments and suggestions welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:26:01 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai 4 Sale At 10:02 PM -0700 4/5/99, Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: >Is this a good deal? Do we know what year it is? (what years were the B >series made?) After seeing some pictures of one, I'm a little intrigued by >this bike. Not a good deal. It's probably a '90. I paid $1,200 for my '90 Tengai in pristine condition with 7900 miles (now 20K) on it 18 months ago(a great deal). I'm the third owner and bought it from a guy who paid $1,550 for it at a Kawa dealer three months prior. I recently saw one in Kissimee,Florida go for $1,500; the guy was asking $1,800. Therefore, I would say $1,500-$1,600 would be at the upper end of reasonable. Mark B2 A2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:32:52 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ratta To: 'KLR650' ; 'KLX650' Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 12:46 AM Subject: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles >Does anyone out there have a favorite model that has good accuracy? Mine is >5mph off at 35 and like 15mph off at ~90. I think the unit isnt fast >enough.. its meant for placement at the end of the spoke so it makes slower >rotations. I've had to mount it lower on the brake rotor. Time to replace it >with something that works. Bicycle speedos are run off of the timing of the magnet past the pickup coil. It shouldn't matter where the magnet is, the timing will be the same. Your speedo should be able to be calibrated. You can dial in your accuracy to be very accurate. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:34:49 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR >>Bicycle speedos are run off of the timing of the magnet past the pickup coil. It shouldn't matter where the magnet is, the timing will be the same. Your speedo should be able to be calibrated. You can dial in your accuracy to be very accurate.<< With all of the talk of wheelies, shouldn't the pick up coil and magnet be on the rear wheel? Gino ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:32:18 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Watch out for Fred Hink... Buyer Beware!!!! - NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink To: Kraka ; klr- 650 Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:37 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Watch out for Fred Hink... Buyer Beware!!!! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kraka >To: klr- 650 >Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 4:57 PM >Subject: (klr650) Watch out for Fred Hink... Buyer Beware!!!! > > >>Thanks for the great service Fred!! > > >Thanks for the compliment. I live in MOAB, Utah. It's not the end of the >earth, but you can see it from here. > >Fred Oh! That's what that was! I was wondering. =) Vik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:57:48 -0400 From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR This is some cheap unit I got for about 20$... the instructions say to mount it near the end of the spoke. Not only does the magnet travel faster at the rotor, but the bike travels much faster on average than a bicycle. so obviously, I'm looking for a high-quality one that is capable of measuring more frequent passes by the magnet or one that has less error. - -----Original Message----- From: Pokluda, Gino F [mailto:efpoklu@sandia.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 9:35 AM To: 'KLR650'; 'KLX650' Subject: RE: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR >>Bicycle speedos are run off of the timing of the magnet past the pickup coil. It shouldn't matter where the magnet is, the timing will be the same. Your speedo should be able to be calibrated. You can dial in your accuracy to be very accurate.<< With all of the talk of wheelies, shouldn't the pick up coil and magnet be on the rear wheel? Gino ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:31:01 -0400 From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR my mistake. Magnet travels faster on the outside and its not even an issue for the unit when you think about it. So that leaves internal error. Maybe a better quality unit would help. - -----Original Message----- From: Ztib@aol.com [mailto:Ztib@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:07 AM To: MRatta@ade.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR In a message dated 99-04-06 09:59:53 EDT, you write: << Not only does the magnet travel faster at the rotor, >> Let's think about this for a moment. I'd say the magnet travels faster the further it is from the axle. I'd say it travels slower at the rotor than at spoke point closer to the rim. Reason: the further from the axle the more distance is traveled in one revolution. Since a revolution takes the same amount of time regardless of distance from the axle, the more distance traveled (in the same amount of time), the greater the speed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:29:42 EDT From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #233 In a message dated 4/5/99 8:07:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > Somebody tell me what I > might be missing. Cheers... Juan, try checking the brake pads are positioned properly in the caliper. I had exactly the same problem as you. After I reinstalled the caliper I had no barke at all. I found that one pad was able to rotate in the direction of wheel travel a very small amount when removed. This caused the pad to become jammed in the caliper. Pumping the rear brake pedal just pushed the pad against the caliper. not the disc. I again removed the caliper and straightened the pads. Then I installed the caliper without tightening the two screws more than hand tight to allow for a little movement. I then pumped up the rear brake pedal until it felt normal and acted mostly normal when I turned the rear wheel. Then, MOST IMPORTANT, I TIGHTENED THE TWO SCREWS. After a short and very careful test ride everything seemed to be back to normal. Gary Fresno ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:49:42 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR Trying to pick my memory here because this has been a common thread on a lot of lists. I remember the advice is to get one that mounts on the rear because it will have longer wires that will be useful...second, make sure the unit you buy has the the speed range you are interested in...I can't imagine any KL people would need anything above 99 but who knows... Kurt (not prone to triple digits except when I buy from Fred and step on the scale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:55:15 -0400 From: Mike Ratta Subject: RE: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR I've had the KLX up to 110.. and thats at 6800rpm. I think it redlines at 7500 or 8000. My main jet selection is a little small right now, so the WOT performance isnt as good as it could be. Takes awhile to climb after 100. - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson [mailto:ajax@xmission.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:50 AM To: Mike Ratta; 'KLR650' Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles NKLR Trying to pick my memory here because this has been a common thread on a lot of lists. I remember the advice is to get one that mounts on the rear because it will have longer wires that will be useful...second, make sure the unit you buy has the the speed range you are interested in...I can't imagine any KL people would need anything above 99 but who knows... Kurt (not prone to triple digits except when I buy from Fred and step on the scale) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:57:28 -0400 From: Mark Subject: (klr650) Extremely NKLR : Dismissed as Chance And I thought it was just a Canadian thing. Now I wonder. Mark B2 A2 >When I joined the list I was a normal, sane "individual". Now I am one with >the Borg collective. You too will become one with the Borg... Resistance >is futile... >Arne "A of 13" >I wondered about >the stainless-steel-looking radiator guard plate thing that doesn't seem to >be mentioned in the article. >Arne - always wondering (I wonder if this is better than wandering???) > >Oh! That's what that was! I was wondering. > >=) > >Vik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:09:29 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Extremely NKLR : Dismissed as Chance >>When I joined the list I was a normal, sane "individual". Now I am one with >>the Borg collective. You too will become one with the Borg... Resistance >>is futile... > >>Arne "A of 13" Yeah Arne was tough. We started by ignoring him but then we realized he was going to be either a threat or an asset to the collective...then we paid attention and made him part of the Borg.... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:20:26 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles I would think that because it registers speed based on electrical impulses each time it's triggered, that wheel spin speed would not be a factor. Unless maybe you were travelling at the speed of sound. I would think that it just needs to be calibrated accurately. Don't you measure the distance of one exact wheel rotation then enter that figure? Make ten rotations and divide by 10 for even more accuracy. Arne - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ratta To: 'KLR650' ; 'KLX650' Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:38 AM Subject: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles > Does anyone out there have a favorite model that has good accuracy? Mine is > 5mph off at 35 and like 15mph off at ~90. I think the unit isnt fast > enough.. its meant for placement at the end of the spoke so it makes slower > rotations. I've had to mount it lower on the brake rotor. Time to replace it > with something that works. someone here said to avoid wireless units before, > which is a shame since it would make life with inverted forks easier. > Comments and suggestions welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:28:19 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles - -----Original Message----- From: Arne Larsen To: Mike Ratta ; 'KLR650' ; 'KLX650' Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles >I would think that because it registers speed based on electrical impulses >each time it's triggered, that wheel spin speed would not be a factor. >Unless maybe you were travelling at the speed of sound. I would think that >it just needs to be calibrated accurately. Don't you measure the distance >of one exact wheel rotation then enter that figure? Make ten rotations and >divide by 10 for even more accuracy. > >Arne Or for the techno-geek (me) you can use your GPS to calibrate the speedo. Enter the approximate wheel diameter. Ride your bike with GPS and speedo on. Note speeds - if your speedo is slower than your GPS increase the wheel size until its the same and vice versa. A typical GPS (Garmin 45, III+, etc) is good to +/- .5 KPH or something similar - much better accuracy than your car or bike's OEM speedo. Cheers, Vik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:03:05 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Kermit chair SNIP>The best features of Kermit's chair are fantastic workmanship, >light weight (5lbs.), and broke down size.(fits in 4in wide canvas bag about >24 in. long. > >Bill Wright >Hotlanta, GA. >98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 23,200 miles While we're on the topic of folding items, does anyone have that folding step-stool from Sporty's Pilot Shop? (Skip?) I was thinking that it would be a great KLR travel item. It folds flat, looks strong and could be used as a chair & possibly double as a lift stand. Mark B2 A2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:14:31 -0400 From: duftler@us.ibm.com Subject: (klr650) Somewhat NKLR: Toy Models of KLR & DR For those of you who like to have stuff on your desk (as I do): 2 companies make miniature models of the KLR650: MotorMax & Redbox RedBox's model is of a much higher quality: about 5" long, and on a little plastic display stand. Working rear supension, etc... The MotorMax model is only about 3 inches long, and just the wheels move (barely). Both models are in the pre '95 color scheme (early 90's, I guess: mostly green & white). A company named Maisto makes very high-quality models about the same size as the Redbox, but with unbelievable detail. Unfortunately, I haven't found a KLR one by them yet. (Closest thing is a KLX250R.) There website is at: http://www.maisto.com (they have great models of everything with a motor). MotorMax also makes a DR350 model (which I have also), but it is the dirt-only version. Also, the DR350 is purple/blue, and I don't know if these were ever the real colors, because I haven't seen too may DR's. Most of these models can be found at Walmart, and other stores like that. Matt Duftler Tarrytown, NY A9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:23:03 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Kermit chair >SNIP>The best features of Kermit's chair are fantastic workmanship, >>light weight (5lbs.), and broke down size.(fits in 4in wide canvas bag about >>24 in. long. >> >>Bill Wright >>Hotlanta, GA. >>98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 23,200 miles and...the big question? how many markies does it cost? Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:33:55 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) Bicycle speedometers on motorcycles Mike wrote: >>Does anyone out there have a favorite model that has good accuracy? Mine is >>5mph off at 35 and like 15mph off at ~90. At 9:20 AM -0700 4/6/99, Arne Larsen wrote: >I would think that because it registers speed based on electrical impulses >each time it's triggered, that wheel spin speed would not be a factor. >Unless maybe you were travelling at the speed of sound. I would think that >it just needs to be calibrated accurately. Don't you measure the distance >of one exact wheel rotation then enter that figure? Make ten rotations and >divide by 10 for even more accuracy. > >Arne > Cheap models might have and internal electronic error, but I think it's also important to have a very accurate measurement of the radius to the magnet. I think that error can be reduced by moving the magnet farther from center (i.e., on the rim). Therefore, inaccuracy in radius measurement becomes less of a percent error. Mark B2 A2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:46:36 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: (klr650) Shim Bank... This is why I ordered a dozen shims from Fred last month. At three buck a piece, it's good insurance for avoiding downtime. Andres took six with him to S. America and I kept the other six for a rainy day. We did a valve ajustment together a few months ago, hoping we'd be set to swap shims between our bikes. We were able to swap two, but we still both needed one. After calling dealers all day, I finally found a dealer who would exchange 'em. Most of them CLAIMED that they didn't even stock them in the service dept. let alone in the parts dept. We got the shims at a Yamaha dealer the next day... turns out they use the same shims. Mark B2 A2 >>Carlos wrote: >>I decided to go all out this last weekend. I did a valve check and >>thankfully everything was within specs! That meant that the bike didn't >>have to sit there for a week splayed open waiting for new shims. > >Excellent...we're starting a shim bank here folks...we have 4 now...send >me your shims and I'll >send shims out to people who need them (return your unused shims) for the >price of postage or, >we can fedex if you need them faster... > >Kurt (I want your shims) ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #237 ****************************