From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #274 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 274 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:23:39 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mountain KLR Rallye - -----Original Message----- From: Skip Faulkner To: Tim Bernard Cc: KLR650 Page Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:14 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Mountain KLR Rallye > > >>Kurt >>If you really want to do one we can put one together that we do. >>Happy trails > > >>Tim > > > >Hey you guys, let`s get together on something. Me and Vik >are discussing a CanAm Rallye. We were talking on hosting one here in the NW >Rockies, USA and the following would be in >the Canadian Rockies, or visa versa. Vik would do the Canadian one either >this Fall or next spring, and the Montana?? >fling would be the following fall. > Let`s work something out. BTW, this is KLR ONLY. > >Skip Hey Hey...let's let the BMW, KTM guys in....ummm...but they have to buy a membership in the KLR Riders of North America Association.....say 24 premium beers? Actually what I'd really like to do is setup a 4-5 day KLR ride in Canada or NW USA.....I think the rally idea like Moab is fun and we need one, but I also like the idea of a ride where we go somewhere as a group. I don't mind planning something for next year if there is interest - heck this year is okay, but I am thinking its too late for people to plan. Where in Canada do you want to go? - southern Canadian Rockies, Northern Alberta/BC, Arctic? I like the idea of a ride from my house (Canmore, Alberta in the Rockies) to Inuvik on the Arctic Ocean, but that may be more time than people have.....let's start the ideas flowing and once I get a sense of what people want I'll offer up two or three options...okay? Cheers, Vik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:47:37 -0700 From: Christopher J Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Balancer bolt FYI Pokluda, Gino F wrote: > While proof reading this issues Technical Insights column by Eldon Carl, I > read a note he had about adjusting the balancer chain. He highly advises > that you only turn the bolt out 1 turn, not 2-3 turns as the oily bolt will > sometimes pull the idler shaft lever with it and not allow it to return > true; i.e. it will cock and rub against clutch gear. > > My experience has been to turn the bolt out 2 turns and tap with a rubber > mallet then retighten. > > Gino Can somebody reiterate the parts list for balancer upgrade? I understand the late models have a balancer tensioner adjuster (whew!) that is more rugged than my 88. I'd like to have that in aabout 10k miles when I replace the balancer chain and bearings. Perhaps we could have two parts lists itemized for the early and late tensioner bikes, to do Eldon's recommended 33k balancer rebuild. b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:01:56 -0500 From: David M. King Subject: Re: (klr650) Cannondale! NKLR Robert wrote: > Just got back from the local KTM dealer and they gave me scoop on the > Cannondale network. Cannondale is signing up dealers who are focused on > off-road products. Don't be looking for them in your multi-line "Big Four" > dealerships! Look for a new enduro version of the four-stroke coming two > months after the MXer! Is there a dual sport in the future..... Make sure you send them an E-mail expressing an interest in a dual sport version. I did. If they get enough questions about one they might produce one, you never know. David M. King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:24:07 -0400 From: "Preferred Customer" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Evel Knievel JR - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: Conall O'Brien Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Evel Knievel JR >That would be Evel's son Robby. >It's a lot easier today on modern bikes. >Look at those old jumps Evel did on Triumphs and stuff. Wow! >b Was in DC Friday to see the John Sargent exhibit at the National Gallery. Well, couldn't resist taking a walk up to the American History Smithsonian to check out Evels bike. Now granted that old Harley weighed only about 300 lbs (which is still heavy to do those outrageous jumps) but you should see the stone age suspension on that thing! You get a whole new appreciation of what he did by checking out that old bike. BG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:32:19 +0000 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: (klr650) Re: (NKLR650) Harley Riders Mark wrote: > At 8:07 PM -0700 4/12/99, Arne Larsen wrote: > SNIP > > Now many of them (other bikers) aren't (waving). > > Ya... I noticed that the zit-faced 17 yr old squids don't wave either. Some author or other (meant to look it up last night, but couldn't find which book it was in) said something along the lines of... We waved to one another, much in the same way that two passing motorcyclists or two passing nuns will wave, knowing that we shared the same sense of freedom. I guess the Harley riders don't feel too free and the 17 yr olds don't think anyone feels like them. Feel pity, not anger. Sarah > > Mark > B2 > A2 - -- Sarah Barwig Developer WeddingChannel.com (213) 599-4144 888 S. Figueroa St., Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA, 90017 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:56:31 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich. > Skip Faulkner wrote: > > Beez, > > I`ve got an air/ratio monitor and EGT gage on my bike. It sounds like > > overkill, but I installed both to compare the two, and the air/ratio monitor > > turned out to be considerably more accurate and precise for jetting and > > tuning purposes. I switched to the > > air/ratio monitor because I was told by several speed shops that by knowing > > the exact ratio of O2 to fuel, the jetting procedure is not as effected by > > environmental factors ( temp, humidity etc..). > > > > Skip So now I'm curious. What is the optimum O2/fuel ratio? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:33:36 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE klr650@lists.xmission.com: Non-member submission from ["Kollar, Kevin" ] >From: "Kollar, Kevin" >To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: (klr650) first post - long >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:03:29 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >Content-Type: text/plain > >This is my maiden post to the list. I purchased my KLR this spring a conned >these other guys into a ride so I could check out the mods. During a three >KLR ride, we concocted the notion of a comparision of a stock `95, my stock >`96 and a hinked level one `96. The idea was to first describe the bikes, >then have brief impressions from the three of us following. > >Barry's 96 w/ hink kit >Dyno jet, K&N, SuperTrapp IDS. Removed air box intake snorkle on the left >side. >Progressive Springs >SS Brake Line >Maier Handguards with wind protectors > >John's 95 >Stock except Maier handguards with wind protectors and Moose Skid Plate > >Kevin's (me) 96 >Stock, 7700 miles, bought this spring > >The review: > >Engine Performance (Jet kit, K&N and exhaust vs stock) >B sez - Gas milage is up around 52. It feels like there is more midrange, >but I have no proof. >J sez - based on the ride we took, I personally found little if any >difference between the three bikes. All seemed to perform well. >K sez - I thought the modifications improved throttle response but did >little to the total power. Mine felt like it had more flywheel. > >Exhaust Sound >B - Not as good as a Ducati, but much better than the wisper/whistle of the >stock pipe. It has the deep tthump only big singles can make. You can >barely hear it over the wind at 70MPH. I love it! If you don't have one, >you may be missing one of the KLR's best features. >J - stock = lawnmower . Supertrapp = manly resonance. >K - I liked the trapp. The stocker would be ok if it just didn't whistle! > >Vibration >B - Mine vibrates more around 4k rpm than other KLR's >J - my perception was that the '95 may have had a little less but not an >extreme amount of difference. A longer ride may have made a difference. >K - They felt about the same to me although the others mirrors fuzzed a bit >less (the handguards?). > >Progressive Springs >B - The first modification you should make, if your going offroad at all. >Largly eliminates the front end dive from our underpowered front brake. I >would think a must for ANY increased front brake performance. >J - no doubt that the progressive springs made a huge improvement in the >amount of front end dive. >K - Major inprovement in dive without increased harshness al least on road. > >SS Brake Line >B - Probably a good investment. The lousey brakes just get lousey quicker >than with the original brake line. Looks spiffy, anyway. I'm going to try >new pads next. I hate to spring for the oversized disk, but.... >J - aided a little, but still, the KLR brakes are marginal at best. Keep >some distance between you and the guy in front of you. >K - I think all three had sucky brakes. The line made the feel firmer but >didn't brake any better IMHO. > >95 vs 96es >B - the 95 I rode, seemed to rev quicker than my bike or the other box >stock 96 I rode at the same time. Noticeably less vibration around 4K rpm >than mine. I need to recheck my balancer chain and motor mounts. >J - no major differences found except the '96's require less pull to >disengage the clutch. >K - The 95 seemed to rev quicker than either 96, maybe we need a flywheel >trim? Also the Malibu Ken colors on the 95 seemed less painful next to the >other bikes, maybe the overall sameness dulled the sensation some. > >Other/General >B - Maier hand guards. Don't leave home without them. >Kick stand fix. Very nice and free. >Clutch fix. Can start in gear. Very nice and free. >Liscence plate relocated. A must for offroad activities. (All three of us >did this K) >80/100W headlight bulb. No problems. >J - get a Moose plate (or equiv.), gel grips and Maier hand guards (or >equiv.) >K - Fred, I'm warming my credit card! > >Oh and the clear winner was --- the KLR! > >(ex) lurker Kevin > >ps When the KLR is dialed in, it has a name - Bo Derek, A10 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:47:51 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich. - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: Skip Faulkner Cc: KLR650 Page Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 5:05 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich. >Skip, >Well, where'd you get it, what did it cost, etc, etc. >I NEED one! Time to fire up the Hink Beacon ( like the bat beacon but has a >picture of a moto, mid-flight, sans front wheel ). >Tnx >B > > >Skip Faulkner wrote: > >> > >snip indeed! > >> Beez, >> I`ve got an air/ratio monitor and EGT gage on my bike If you would have checked my KLR "bible" (Parts List) you would have seen... 169 K&N Fuel Air Ratio Monitor KL135 198.39 Continually monitors fuel-air ratio while engine is running Fred Everybody should have at least two of these in their shop. ;<) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:51:49 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Balancer bolt FYI > Can somebody reiterate the parts list for balancer upgrade? I understand >the late models have a balancer tensioner adjuster (whew!) that is more >rugged than my 88. > Beaz, I'm searching for the balancer parts but in the meantime..and for the archives here are the clutch upgrade parts according to Eldon Carl: 13097-1333 Primary spur gear 92200-1157 Claw washer 92015-1890 22mm nut 92143-1769 Collar 13095-1311 Clutch basket/housing 92022-1868 Washer ok, I found it, here is Eldon's recipe for the balancer upgrade: 670B1507 o-ring 92150-1923 Adjuster bolt, idler 92200-1263 Adjuster bolt washer 92144-1860 Adjuster spring, idler Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:56:46 -0400 From: "WDSRC" Subject: (klr650) Hinkin'! I've been noticing all the 'Hink" references in the past couple a posts! That's groovy,....I mean,.. HINKIN! This is one hinkin' list, what better way to improve your bike than getting it hinked! Robert Basking In Hinkness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:52:40 -0400 From: "bob kaub" Subject: (klr650) Headlight Protector I just put a 5 x 7-1/2" piece of 1/8" thick Lexan (polycarbonate) over my headlight to protect it from rocks. It is attached with self-adhesive Velcro. The fuzzy velcro is attached to the fairing along the bottom and two sides of the headlight opening. The hooky part is attached to the clear lexan. The fairing is actually slightly curved from bottom to top around the headlight so the flat lexan does not quite stick to the fairing all the way up the sides. Doubling-up on the velcro at the top of the headlight opening will fix this but the plastic seems well attached and I'm gonna try it without the double velcro to see how it performs. I spent about $14.00 for the plastic and velcro. I had to buy the plastic from a local glass supplier who cut two pieces to the sizes I wanted for $7.50. Too cold for a test ride and the wind is absolutely howling. Feels like middle of January. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:58:23 -0700 From: "Dreas Nielsen" Subject: RE: (klr650) RE: klr650-digest V2 #260 There isn't anything evidently wrong with my airbox drain--I'm pretty sure that the filter is the first solid thing that most of the water hits, and from there some of it never gets to the drain. Last year Birol Say (haven't heard from him for a while) reported the same problem after a ride in the rain. I've been wondering about changing to a filter with either more or less surface area. A filter with more surface area should have less of a pressure gradient, and may therefore take longer to wash out the filter oil. On the other hand, a filter with less area should have a higher pressure gradient and might just suck the water right on through without letting it soak and plug the filter. I tend to favor the larger-area, lower-gradient approach, although the 650 has a lot more filter surface area than the 600, and doesn't really perform any better. But today was dry, with "scattered sun breaks" as they say hereabouts, so I left work early and burned a couple of extra gallons of gas taking the *long* way home (up to snow line in the Cascades on logging roads), so I'm not worrying too much about the air filter just now. I'll re-oil it this weekend, though. Dreas > From: Christopher J Beasley [mailto:chris_beasley@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:56 AM > > Well, that's pretty mysterious then. I havn't heard of anybody else > with this type of problem. With your bike being a stock 98 this > should not > be happening. The airbox is designed to seperate out water prior to the > filter. There is a little rubber "nipple" on the bottom of the > airbox that > is supposed to "flap" open to allow water out, but stay closed otherwise. > Perhaps yours is damaged and allowing water spray from the rear wheel in? > > Other than that, I dunno, I'm looking around for ways to > "waterproof" the KLR > for stream crossings. I'll keep you posted. > Beez out! > > > Dreas Nielsen wrote: > > > I'm running the stock filter in the stock airbox. I've thought about > > deflectors, but I don't think they will solve the problem > > because it seems ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:25:44 +0000 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Temp Gauge Reading Tom McKenzie wrote: > > Going to use the list for a non bear, non gun request. Can my fellow riders give > me an idea as to what their temperature gauges read on a normally warmed up > motor. Mine reads between 1/8 and 1/4 of the way up the scale. It is very > consistent and I have checked to see that the temperature sensor kicks the fan > on, it does right at the midway point on the gauge. > > I think the gauge is indexed on the low side, but I don't have another bike to > compare it to. So if you don't mind please lets hear from your gauges. Thank > you. > -- > Tom McKenzie A13, 5 weeks old, 3500K. Geez it's still cold here in BC. Tom, Sounds about right at cruising speed. You may find it goes closer to half way running at slower speeds in any gear up to third....but in top gear at 45mph on up to 75mph it should run 1\4 to 1\3 at the most. In traffic jams in the summer it will go over 1\2 and the electric fan should start kicking in not too long after. If it goes to 3/4 with no relief you may want to get the thermostat or fan switch checked. I ride New England and find that it seems to run a little cooler using 20w-50 Castrol in summer. Jeff A2 AMA ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #274 ****************************