From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #276 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, April 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 276 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:45:49 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: klr650-digest V2 #260 >Dreas, >Are you running one of those big single element filters with no airbox? >I used to have a ZX-900A1 like that, but it would still run in the rain due to >the >fairings. Maybe you could fabricate some 'deflectors' to hang along the carby >and >redirect the agua frio. > >Cheers! >beez > I'm not sure that would help. Riding in rush hour traffic in western Washington in the pouring rain has to be experienced to be believed. The air itself becomes saturated with vaporized water, from the spray from all the cars, never mind the rain coming down. It sometimes feels like you're under water. Where Dreas lives is at the base of the mountains, where the clouds just dump everything they got. In the winter, the rain is biblical, forty days and forty nights sometimes. Jeff--A3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:51:32 EDT From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Archives On 4/13/99, EMauerman@peacehealth.org writes: >1. How do I get into the Archives? (guarded zealously by the Hounds >of Hell, I'm sure). Not so. We share our highway to hell with all comers. If you're looking for something specific, the first site uses a search engine. The second link accesses individual posts chronologically. If you're in the mood to browse, or just bored to tears, the third link can be read in a daily digest form. http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/klr650/archive/ http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/cgi/lwgate.cgi/KLR650/archives/ Redondo Ron A10 "This ain't no technological breakdown. Oh no, this is the road to hell" - C. Rea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:00:03 -0700 From: "Phil Kopp" Subject: (klr650) O2 Sensors These circuits are actually pretty simple. Here are a couple of links. http://efi332.eng.ohio-state.edu/diy_efi/projects/O2_LED/O2_LED.html http://www.students.tut.fi/~eppu/dev/EGO-bar.html - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:06:23 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: (klr650) Swingarm lube question Hey guys, I'm about ready to do what I should have done last summer, lube the swingarm and suspension linkages. My question is if it OK to use the simple honey colored axle grease I already have lying around, or if I should go to a specific kind of grease? If it is something other that axle grease, where can I get the stuff? Thanks in advance, Carlos P.S. Got my new brighter headlight and IMS flightline pegs. They both work great! Thanks again Fred for getting it out to me so quickly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:12:36 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Building the Perfect Beast >With my dirt skills, I figure I'd need four years to train. Maybe Jeff the >KLRanger could do it, riding at night with the NVGs ;-) > Its not so much the skill involved, riding long distances across the desert, but the endurance. You're standing on the pegs the whole time, and your legs start to burn so bad you'd think they are on fire. It's pure misery. Those guys that do it for fun must have some type of mental / physical defect that turns the pain switch off. The longest stretch I've ever done at once was about two hours, and I was in pretty good shape, not marathon class, but I could run five miles in under 33 minutes, or road march carrying over 100 lbs for 50 miles (a two day excursion into the depths of hell.) Those guys go all day? For fun? Not my cuppa tea man. I'm so far out of shape now I wouldn't dream of it unless I had four years to train myself, and then it would take men with guns to make me ride all day like that. How much is the purse anyway? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:19:15 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Lean or Rich...NKLR >we were about 362 before the bear posts...now we're about where we were after the wilderness >value discussion...340... > >Kurt Excellent! I hate it when I can't log on for a few days and come back to find over 200 messages to read! Lets trim it down some more! Can anyone think of any other controversial subject that we can whip until its another bloody dead carcass?:) Jeff--the guilty party ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:40:04 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Harley Riders the majority of them would not wave. And I >mean the majority of ALL the other bikes on the road. My theory is that >15 - 20 years ago, the people you saw on two wheels really were bikers. Now >many of them aren't. ..., but they just weren't brought up in the same >school of thought - that two guys on bikes on the same stretch of road have >a common bond. As for many of today's Harley riders, >image is everything, and they are trying to adopt a crede - "Cool is the >rule". I like that, I just made it up = ). They would probably wave at >another Harley, IF they could be sure that the bike they were waving to was >one as well. I think that's it - todays bikers wave at the bike, not the >rider. I wave at the rider. Maybe we should all get elitist and stop waving. Who should we single out as uncool, scooter and moped riders? In my VW bug days, guys in bugs always gave the "hang loose" sign to other bugs. In my sports car days, other people in sports cars waved. A couple of years ago I had an Isuzu Amigo (great rig, better than my CJ-5, except for the lack of power available), well, when I saw another Amigo I waved, and they waved back. So yeah, its the car or bike they wave at. Ever notice when you get a new car how you notice every other one on the road like it? With the H-D riders, it is definately the image. Look at the biker image: Scuzzy, Leather, Attitude, visible tatoos, lack of personal hygene. Did I miss anything? I wouldn't wave or nod to one of these guys if I crossed them walking down the street, so why should I wave on the road to them? I know, yeah yeah yeah, I'm judgemental, but I've been brought up that first impressions are lasting impressions, and while I don't judge a man by the quality of his clothes, I do judge a man by his appearance, like hair cuts, shave, shined shoes or pressed clothes and so on. This is kind of funny coming from me, because back in high school, when my hair wasn't long it was a mohawk, and I usually wore a safety pin in my ear and cheak. But that wasn't an image, it was just rock and roll! Jeff--I think I found the topic to whip > >Arne > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Shepard >To: KLR650 Mailing LIst >Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:42 AM >Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Harley Riders > > >> I don't understand this. I just started riding again after 20 years and >everyone >> used to wave no matter what kind of bike. Now, Harleys never wave back to >me. >> This really >> angers me bacause I know several people who own Harleys and Japanese >bikes. How >> do they know I don't also own Harley? I love Harleys and I really love my >1999 >> KLR 650 too! >> >> -Brian Shepard >> shepard@drexel.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:44:51 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Winter Oil Filter >What are the disadvantages of doing a regular LOF interval with the 'winter >oil' ? All it did was sit in the pan over 4-5 months... > >Thanks >Brian > > >I would say nothing. What's the difference if the oil sits in a jug or the >engine? It's the heat/friction from use that causes oil to break down. As >long as it's an oil you feel good about using I would say no problem. If >the engine hasn't turned over for 5 months, and you didn't oil the cylinder >before storing, you may want to squirt a little oil into the cylinder >through the spark plug hole to lube things up a bit. > >Arne > Just so long as the engine wasn't run. Running the engine causes carbon from the combustion. Suspended forms of carbon can form carbonic acids from the combustion by products. These acids can degrade the engine components. For my boat, I always change my oil before winter, fog the engine, then put it up. I then run that same oil for about twenty five hours at the beginning of the next season, then change it. I change my oil every fifty hours on my boat, but I'm a little fanatical about preserving that engine. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:48:29 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Article Rider May '99 >When I'm out riding people take notice of the KLR like they're a turn of >the century farmer seeing a Model T for the first time. At this point >any article that gives exposure to the KLR as a do-it-all machine to own >and modify is fine with me as long as it doesn't devaluate it. > Haven't really noticed this myself, except for the under 15 crowd. The little ones hear me coming, wave, get all excited, want me to perform tricks and stuff. I'm just trying to get to class. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:14:51 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: (klr650) Jetting Comparison I guess this questions for Gino, (but I'm sure Kurt has the skinny as well). I've been reading my collection of back-issue KLR650 DSN's, and came across Gino's trial of the dial-a-jet. Searching the archives I find only 2 entries pertaining to this. So Gino, since you've had a chance to run the dial-a-jet, as well as the K&N/Supertrapp combo - can you give us (me) your opinion of the pro's and con's? While the "dial-a-jet" moniker is a bit of a misnomer (as you don't really change the jetting, rather the mix passing through) I would think that this ability to change your mix would only really benefit a guy who finds himself changing altitudes. No??? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:25:43 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: (Nklr650) Harley Riders - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker > Maybe we should all get elitist and stop waving. > Jeff--I think I found the topic to whip You're too late. We're finished. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:36:47 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Big Bore KLR >As for a big bore 650, finding a suitable piston could be interesting. >In terms of diameter, the 100mm 650 piston is already up in the >realms of smallblock V8 piston sizes, so there should be no shortage >of high performance piston catalogues to peruse. > I couldn't find a single after market source for the KLR 650 piston. All I could find was the Kawasaki oversized pistons and cylinder. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:40:21 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Weight of gas & oil >Taxation or baseball can't compete with wondering how you estimated >or calculated the internal volume of a 3.00x21" tyre and inner tube. > >Mister_T > Integration and antiderivatives work wonderfully for prolonging the moment! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:53:56 -0700 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai Turmoil--part2 Arne Larsen wrote: > > > Ryan, this is not an easy decision for any of us, but the best advice is > to listen to your > > heart...I hear your heart saying buy the new bike... > > > > Kurt > > I would have to agree with your heart as well. The Tengai is a really good > looking bike, but if you are planning on doing some extended riding right > off the bat, you may want the assurance a new bike warranty will afford you. > Just bear in mind that you will need to break the bike in properly and get > that 500 mile valve adjustment out of the way before you set out on any > trips. > > Arne Additional info-- Of course on a new bike you drop a grand the minute it goes out the showroom floor. With either bike the cam chain tensioner is something you want to be familiar with. Is it automatic or manual? They're easy to spot. A freind with an A12 outta the showroom had an automatic tensioner fail on him at 2,500 mi. with regualar service. A fluke I say. All the more reason to know your establishment and tensioner well. A Tengai with 8,ooo on it probably has the bugs worked out. Signs of abuse might be; 1) clutch slippage, 2)extra neutrals/ sticking between gears or, if you can't test ride it 3) spin front and rear wheels on the kickstand(careful) and look for flat spots/wobbles. Close inspection will usually reveal neglect or abuse. If it wasn't really mistreated it may last forever. Good luck! New lister Old rider Tobin Lampson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:45:06 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) klr noises >On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, dan shaw wrote: > >> hey! >> > >Same thing happened to me once right after I finished adjusting my chain. >The symptoms you described sounds similar to my experience. Anyhow, in my >case, I adjusted the chain too tightly. Try and give it some slack and >see. > >As for where the sound comes from, others more knowledgeable than me would >know. > >HTH, > >Yus > And you said it got louder with a passenger, right? That compresses the rear suspension more, and therefore tightens the chain more and makes more noise. QED. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:46:14 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Archives >3. I'm headed up to the Puget Sound (WA) at the end of the month and am >looking for a way to get there from Portland, OR that does not include any >stretches on I-5. Anyone have tips on a route with two lanes and some KLR >650 cruising transcedent curves? > >E~ How far out of your way do you want to go? Are you on a time limit? By the end of the month some options are still limited, since the snow around Rainier is still pretty deep. OK, here's a route for you from Portland. From Portland, head over the I 205 bridge get off I 205 onto SR 503, somewhere around Orchards. It might have signs for SR 500, but its a major interchange. If you miss that, you can still cut over to east and link up with it. Anyway, head north on SR 503. It'll take you past Yale lake, Cougar, Sift Creek Reservoir, the Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument, through the Gifford Pinchot National Forest. I grew up in those woods, and still remember the day when the mountain blew like it was yesterday. Anyway, keep on north on 503. You'll have spectacular views of Helens, and Adams. I'm not sure what the condition of those roads will be. Its highly possible that they turn into gravel and dirt fire roads. Anyway, 503 links up with SR 141 or 131, something like that. Eventually they end up at US 12, which is the White Pass highway. From there you want to head east to Morton. In Morton get on SR 7. There are some beautiful lakes around there, like Riffe Lake at Morton, plenty of camping. Further north on 7 you get to Alder Lake. Anyway, just keep north on 7, and it'll take you straight into Tacoma. I don't know what your destination is in the Sound, but from Tacoma you can go anywhere, including over the bridge to the west side of the sound. If you're going to Seattle, and you have the time, you could go over the Tacoma Narrows Bridge (SR 16, from where 7 joins I-5, its south, actually west). Anyway, ride over the Narrows (mind the wind!), go north on 16 to Bremerton, then hop on a ferry to Seattle. Its a nice boat ride, gives you a chance to relax and enjoy the scenery, especially the Seattle skyline. If this route is still snowed in, and it might be around Helens and Adams, then instead you could go down the Columbia River on US 30 from Portland, cross over at Astoria, go up the coast on US 101. At Aberdeen you could either head over to Olympia, or you could keep going north on 101. This highway loops all the way around the Olympic Peninsula. Great scenery, the Olympic Mountains, and the Olympic Rain forrest. Once you've looped around, you can get off 101 onto 104 east, then take a ferry over from Kingston to Edmonds, which is just north of Seattle. Either route would be very scenic. Jeff---wishing I could take the time to ride like that. Planning a trip in May though. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #276 ****************************