From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #306 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, April 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 306 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:48:54 +0000 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: Re: (klr650) deer whistle e. rhoads wrote: > > > >> had always dismissed these as > > "gimicky",but hey,if they work,its a cheap deterrent, and I'd > > definitely consider it.Anyone have any thoughts on this? > > > snip~ > > I've never used them, but heard you have to use two of them and they have > to > > have some distance between them for them to work effectively. I'm sure > they > > work at all, but maybe they do. > > snip~ > > I'd sure like to know if they work....they are reputed to work, but that's > all I know. There's plenty of deer around here and the idea of hitting one > is scary. So has anyone done the real world testing to provide a definitive > answer? > > The whistles themselves are small and techy-looking, like Gino said, 'maybe > they work' but if they had a whistle twice as big that screamed like a > mountain lion I'd rather trust that. > > So does anyone know if there's good evidence for effectiveness? > > thanks, > eric <<< to young to be among the deerly departed Eric, I installed a pair under my front turn signals (mounted to the fairing). My experience has been that dogs sometimes look at me weird and tilt their head. And sometimes they do nothing but they never run out in front of me or bolt on there walkers leaving a collar and leash. At speed around 35mph I had a deer bolt away from me....but at speeds above that they generally seem to stand, look, and do nothing. My main concern is to offset a potential collision with a running deer that emerges from woods on a back road with dense woods. I generally take it easy around areas where I know there are water sources or in November. I am not endorsing the whistles but can only tell you I have been hit twice by deer BIG TIME (felt like a near death experience) and since I've installed whistles on all my vehicles I haven't encountered a third one (knock on wood). I lost a windshield and roof on a Ford Escort and a left front quarter panel, and driver door on a Ford F-150. Needless to say I hope they work also. Jeff A2 AMA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:59:13 -0400 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) deer whistle Jeffrey Doyle wrote: > I am not endorsing the whistles but can only tell you I have been hit > twice by deer BIG TIME (felt like a near death experience) Man, I shudder to say it but third time may not be a charm. I stuck big Hella 500's aux lights on my KLR to shine the ditch and woods as I run backroads at night, which isn't often. Three big eyes staring into the night! Jake, Third eye blind (infer what you will) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:17:37 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) VViiibratttiionssss. >Has anyone tried these Anti Vibration Bar End Weights to cut down on mirror >vibrations? Do they work? I know they would work for grip vibrations but, >how about the mirrors? >-- Well, they should work to dampen vibrations for both grips and mirrors. But here's why I haven't tried them for my KLR yet: I have Maier Handguards, and these mount right where the bar ends would go. I'm sure that some enterprising lad or lassie could figure out how to mount them over these though. I had bar ends on my XL 600 R, and they seemed to work OK. Jeff--A3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:24:39 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil Level...NOT...NKLR >Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! not the evil oil level thread again. >Anything but that! > Shall we talk about braking physics again? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:35:58 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Deer Whistle , I also learned that if a fat bug >hits the vents on the front of my Arai DS just right, I get bug juice all >over my lips. :-0 > I learned that when I went riding 60 MPH by some bee keepers hives last year. I'm very glad my Kiliminjaro is stingerproof. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rex Hefferan Subject: (klr650) Re: [NKLR} Deer Whistle I searched and found these sites: http://www.tfb.com/sdmc/deer-whistle.html http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/deerwsle.html http://lutra.tamu.edu/klr/hearing.htm Another typical conclusion: "Although the theory sounds good, tests show that the whistles do not work. Information published by both Washington and Oregon State University, Cooperative Extension Services, tests by state police in Utah, Georgia, and Wisconsin, and testing in Europe all confirm the ineffectiveness of the devices." I can tell you that the manufacurers instructions of a set I got in box of stuff at a yard sale states that they must be mounted such a distance apart that it is impractical on a motorcycle. I've still got 'em somewhere and will give them away if you pay the postage. === Rex, A7 For Colorado Springs Dual Sport ride info: http://shell.rmi.net/~avbb/cos.htm Next gathering is April 30 - May 2 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:13:44 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) deer whistle...NKLR >one (knock on wood). I lost a windshield and roof on a Ford Escort and >a left front quarter panel, and driver door on a Ford F-150. Needless >to say I hope they work also. > >Jeff >A2 >AMA ah reminds me of when I was 17 and my folks went away and I hotwired the VW Bug (piece of cake, pop the hood, pop the dashwell cover, jump two wires on the ignition switch and off we go...) made it 200 miles until at 4:30 a.m. a beautiful 12 point Whitetail Buck decided to crawl into the driver's seat with me...he go one hoof through the window past my nose into the windshield. He also suffered from some incontinance on the side of the bug...he just about totaled the bug and he ended up in the ditch not feeling too good. It was very hard to explain to my parents.... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:07:04 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) First 500 miles >any problems (other than a cracked piston when I was in Peru....) What >should people who are traveling long distances (as Andres or myself) do? Speaking of Andres...could you or someone send me his last post? I tried to post it but it was over the prophylactic size limit I've put on the list and it got trashed...this time I'll split it into two and repost....thanks Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:18:34 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) White Rim Trail...NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Darrel & Deanna To: KLR list Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: (klr650) White Rim Trail >WRT seems to be the premiere trail in Moab when it comes to scenery. What >can be expected as far as riding difficulty? What are the most challenging >parts like? Is an aftermarket skid plate *required* on a KLR650? What >about other trails in Moab? TIA, Darrel A12 'avenger' Here is Bob Carrera's report on Moab Trails from last year's rally...he rates it difficult but most describe it as having a couple of difficult sections with the length of the ride being the most difficult... http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page62.html Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:20:57 -0700 (MST) From: Tony Jones Subject: (klr650) KLR C1-C3 ? On some web sites, I've seen the most recent KLR650s referred to as a C1, C2 or C3. With the A numbers stopping at A10. I thought that the most recent model was the A13? Are these sites just foobar'd ? Currently I'm laboring under the assumption that the A10 (1996) or newer is the most recent revision (I'm looking for a nice used one). Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:28:04 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR C1-C3 ? - -----Original Message----- From: Tony Jones +ADw-tony+AEA-rtd.com+AD4- To: klr650+AEA-lists.xmission.com +ADw-klr650+AEA-lists.xmission.com+AD4- Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 7:21 PM Subject: (klr650) KLR C1-C3 ? +AD4- +AD4-On some web sites, I've seen the most recent KLR650s referred to as a +AD4-C1, C2 or C3. With the A numbers stopping at A10. I thought that +AD4-the most recent model was the A13? Are these sites just foobar'd ? +AD4- +AD4-Currently I'm laboring under the assumption that the A10 (1996) or newer +AD4-is the most recent revision (I'm looking for a nice used one). +AD4- +AD4-Tony The C model is a KLX which to confuse you even more comes in A and R also...you are correct on the KLR part...A10 and up...who is going to be the first A14... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:37:03 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Fox enduro jacket In a message dated 4/21/99 5:46:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, RUSIG1@aol.com writes: << Greetings, today I picked up my Fox out rider enduro jacket (part #14-1404)and am very pleased.Its waterproof cordura has a ton off pockets and appears to be very well made.This jacket has alot of features which make it a good buy for the money.I was able to get it from the local motorcycle >> I have one also, need to do a review on it. It is definitely a 3 season jacket as it has no liner and is very drafty in the winter. Sleeves come off to make a vest. Nice jacket. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:39:49 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR C1-C3 ? In a message dated 4/21/99 7:22:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, tony@rtd.com writes: << On some web sites, I've seen the most recent KLR650s referred to as a C1, C2 or C3. With the A numbers stopping at A10. I thought that the most recent model was the A13? Are these sites just foobar'd ? Currently I'm laboring under the assumption that the A10 (1996) or newer is the most recent revision (I'm looking for a nice used one). >> Nope, they are correct. Europe no longer gets the A series KLR that we are used to seeing. They now have the C models which are a combo between a KLX and KLR. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:35:56 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Andres Carlstein Trip Report Part 3a... Trip Update No. 3A: April 6, 1999 I am writing here from a Club Med in Uxmal, right next to the famous ruins. It is pretty much in the middle of nowhere, but they recieved internet access here two weeks ago, and I persuaded the charming French manager, Patrick Sellier, to loan us his accountant's e-mail for a few minutes. Not many people seem to come here the way we did, so it makes this part of our trip quite uncommon for most riders (and most observers). We look like complete freaks in full riding gear and helmets, dripping with sweat as we pull into the gas stations. The people will either stare or giggle and ask us questions like "Tienen frio?" Robert has done an excellent job planning a trip that provides a lot of interesting sights to see, but that is only if he decides to keep suffering the incessant blundering of Peter and myself. We have consistently delayed his scheduled departure times, unintentionaly, of course, but he bears it all with good humor. Peter is always the last one out of bed, and is constantly complaining about the Mexican weather with phrases like "hurry up slow-boy, I am dying of heat stroke," in his unmistakable Medellin accent. Peter will then ride along with his hairy, naked shins cutting the wind because he has rolled his crash pants up to his knees to ventilate his suit. Meanwhile he looks all around, watching the scenery, and generally slowing us down. In my impatience, I will often pass him and follow Robert directly so I don't have to stare at the turn signals that Peter is always forgetting to turn off. I suspect that if Peter and I don't curb our shenanigans, Robert may surpas! s his boiling point and offer us up like a ritual sacrifice at one of the ruins we visit. The ruins are really amazing. The Mayas and other local pre-colombian cultures had a fundamental religious basis, and human sacrifices were common. They played a game in which the teams would use the lower half of the body to put a small rubber ball into an elevated stone hoop. The courts the game was played varied from as small as the goalie box in a soccer field, to about an eigth of an American football field. Anyway, there was ample motivation for the players to win, since the losers would be offerred up as sacrifices to the gods. Sacrifices were common, and involved flaying off the victim's skin and removing the live, beating heart. All this was done with flint knives, which are quite dull compared to your average Ginsu. I suspect that a lucky victim would have passed out from severe pain before they died, and their near-lifeless body (sans heart) would be tossed down the steep temple walls. The blood, which the preists sometimes collected, would then be drunk by all the priests in attendance, and/or smeared into their hair, which they supposedly never washed. And I thought that my college roommate's chewing-tobacco habit was nasty. continued... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:37:21 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Andres Carlstein Part 3b Well, enough history, I will let my swarthy Colombian friend Peter give you this weeks's exciting update in his own words. I have pasted in a copy of the message he his sending to his loved ones, wich I can assure you is mostly slanderous half-truths and outright lies. He is obviously an unsavory character that cannot be trusted. Peter writes: "Hello: "Here I am 'roughing it' at the club med in Uxmal in the Yucatan peninsula. Quite inexpensive due to the fact that is the low season for tourism in this area. "Where should I start? We left the US late due to the unexpected Andres title ordeal. We ended up crossing the border about noon on good friday without much problems and headed south to Tampico. The ride south was quite fast...I mean speeding. We were late and had to do about 300 miles before sundown, due to the warnings about muggers in the road. We got to Tampico safely after breaking every traffic rule in the book...but really we fit right in because everyone drives like maniacs normally. Tampico was nice with a party in the main plaza because of the Easter celebration. "We headed south early in the morning and as the day went on the heat got worse and worse. I know it was about 106 with so much humidity it felt like hell. We were cooking in our riding suits to the point I considered taking it off, but Robert and Andres discouraged me. Better to be hot than to leave a skin skid on the road was the basic premise. Eventually after 8 hours in this torture we reached Poza Rica, a town near the ruins of El Tajin. The ruins were quite impressive, but small in comparison to other sites we would visit later. We found a decent hotel for little money downtown a settled for the night. exausted we fell asleep after eating. Quite scary to know that the temperature will get only worse or stay around the same until the Andes. (Hey Bruce thanks for that little water bandana thing you gave me in Hobbs...it saved the day!) "Left early again...early I mean for Andres (aka Devil Boy) and me but not for Robert. He has been patient with us rookies but I know we are making him mad because of our screw ups. I haven't been too bad (I think, I hope)...but Andres...well let's just say the name Devil Boy is not undeserved. Things only have gotten worse...Andres and I screwed up big time today.... more on that later. "Anyway, we left Poza Rica for Ciudad del Carmen at the base of the Yucatan peninsula. Quite a nice ride along the beach, swamps, and tidal lagoons. Nice wildlife. I saw the first group of parrots flying over the road. Iguanas, cranes, pelicans, seagulls, you name it it was either flying or crawling around....or as roadkill by the side of the road. The heat persisted though aliviated by some ocean breezes from the north. "The riding has been fun although I must confess I have some blisters on my butt cheeks. You know 3500 miles in a week don't go easy when you are riding a motorcycle. Anyway hopefully they will heal soon. We usually ride with Robert in the lead, Andres second, and I go last. It is good to be last because it allows me to leave plenty of space between me and the guys. Andres also likes to ride close behind people and spooks me a little so I let him tail Robert. The disadvantage of the last position is that all the stupid mexican dogs are alerted to our presence by the two leading bikes and by the time I come rolling in they are positioned perfectly to try to fight me off their turf. Needless to say I have done my best to avoid them but I feel it is inevitable that eventually I will run over a few...hopefully they will be small so I can just keep on going. They are just really stupid...two of them chased me in a section of road where one other dog was splattered nearby.! ..if thats not enough of a lesson, what is? The dead one might have been a friend...maybe they were avenging his death... "Today was absolute chaos. Andres and I, also known as the two dingbats, lost Robert because we were taking pictures of each other on the road. We lost about 2 hours and I know Robert wanted to kill us but I think the fear of the mexican jails saved our lives. We were both in the doghouse until Andres screwed up even worse by taking the wrong road and separating again from Robert and I without notice. This happened late in the afternoon and we lost about 2 hours again searching for him along the ditches in the side of the road. By the time we caught up with him, he is running out of gas in the middle of the Yucatan peninsula. We turn around and race make up the lost time and hoping a gas station is somewhere ahead. Luckily for Andres' sake we found one just as his bike was starting to spurt in agony. Oh, well...Robert was calm but he wanted to kill him...I thought he might commit ritual suicide. I think he was really questioning his judgement in accepting us in the tr! ip. Andres says I should be happy he is around because he makes me look like an angel, I think I agree. "Well that's all for today. We are having fun learning the tricks of the trade from Robert. I hope we are not being too bad for him. He is pretty cool and like I said he has been very patient with us. We will get better I am sure, and the growing pains we have gone thru are preparing us for the tough days ahead when we leave tourist-friendly Mexico and head into Belize and Guatemala. "Best Wishes, Peter S. P.S. Andres wants me to tell you he is not that bad....you guys decide." That is all for now. Thanks to Peter for including his interesting, yet warped view of our travels (I did not turn down a wrong road, I accidentally dropped my water container, and would have picked it up and been back directly, had not some quick Mexican snatched it up instead). Thanks to Robert for not flaying us and using our blood for hair gel. Thanks also to the Mexican weather for ensuring that we get plenty of fresh sweat to clean our pores of the dust from the Mexican highways. Chao, Andres PS, please spell check if you print this, my computer has none. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #306 ****************************