From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #358 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, May 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 358 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 06:06:18 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Capitalists vs. Communist? NKLR I'm a 35 year old Canadian. Everyone cheer...HOORAY! Actually, my point is that I am fairly fluent in both systems, as it was around grade 4 or 5 when we made the switch. To this day though, I gotta use PSI to know about air pressure, and MPG (although a Canadian gallon, not American) - to know if I'm getting good milage or not. Arne - not a true convert I guess. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Cloudhid@aol.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Cc: pashpash@internet-zahav.net Date: May 3, 1999 12:15 AM Subject: (klr650) Capitalists vs. Communist? NKLR > (or in commie lingo, 69.4 - 72.2 C), >opening about 1/8", (or no less than 3 mm) @ 185 F (85 C). >If not, it's time for a new one. > >Redondo Ron <-- rampant capitalist versed in commie measures > > >I'm one of the most stalwart patriotic American capitalists you >can find, and I gotta tell you that metrics (SI) isn't a commie >plot, but a scientific plot. I don't personally care for the >centigrade temperature scale, but everything else SI is awesome. >I think that keeping the U.S. on the US Customary, or FPS system, >is a criminal conspiracy to defraud the American people. Its an >attempt to cheat people by using confusing weights and measures >that are difficult to convert. Who really cares how many ounces >there are in a box of Captain Crunch? I want to know how many >bowls of cereal are in that box. Or with gasoline, how can they >justify charging the public with a supposed accuracy to the >thousandth of a gallon? Well, I'm off to count how many >cornflakes it takes to make a gram. > >Jeff > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:26:36 -0400 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) [Fwd: Dual Sport Rally] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F6327EBDCD0B848D0D70EB3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------F6327EBDCD0B848D0D70EB3F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.telapex.com [208.210.201.7] by in3.ibm.net id 924203978.183982-1 ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:19:38 +0000 Received: from telapex.com (mdvl-15.telapex.com) by mail.telapex.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.2.1998.08.21.19.14) with ESMTP id <0FA800F26WCKVE@mail.telapex.com> for whaycoc@ibm.net; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:19:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:18:09 -0500 From: Hollis McGehee Subject: Dual Sport Rally To: whaycoc@ibm.net Message-id: <37163B71.85D1EF67@telapex.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Dear Bill, I am in Miss. and am trying to figure a way to go out to Utah. I am a new KLR rider and a relatively new MC rider. I have been riding for less than two years but have clocked about 20k in those two years. I have some scheduling problems , but I am working on those. Do you know of anyone from this area going out and when. Thanks for your information and time. Sincerely, Hollis McGehee Meadville, MS - --------------F6327EBDCD0B848D0D70EB3F-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:08:57 -0700 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Capitalists vs. Communist? NKLR How many Quarks are there in a Millibleam anyway? Morgan (Still trying to convert the air hose at the gas station to kilopascals) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:13:48 EDT From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR klr650-digest V2 #355 In a message dated 5/2/99 6:44:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > >I have to seek the soul mates for my KLRs elsewhere. > > > >Marta > Marta, Sorry to see you go. I have been on this list since the beginning and have occasionally been subject to topics that i didn't enjoy or that offended me. Usually these topics go away quickly. When an offensive remark gets little or no comment it is because most on the list won't give it the bandwidth of a reply. You might consider trying the digest version for a while (easier to skip over unwanted posts). Unfortunately this can be a problem with any public medium. Be assured that there are many really good folk here and please do not judge the rest of us by the actions of a few. Also some of are still learning how to act in mixed company and might appreciate your input (remember to NKLR). Thanks and keep riding, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrice E. Robinet" Subject: Re: Fwd: (klr650) Disappointed I couldn't have said it better myself. So ditto! Patrice Robinet Frenchman on Two Wheels (putting in his 2 Francs' worth) 1998 KLR 650 On Mon, 3 May 1999 Rcklr@aol.com wrote: > I noticed something about most of the responses to Marta's note. Those > responses from people that I reconginzed as being with our little group for a > long time were stateing our sorrow for losing a member over bad taste. Those > smart-ass remarks about going to your little world and such were from people > that I have never heard from, or very little. This is much like our > motorcycle experience in the real world. Have you ever noticed that the > squid that pulls the wheelies through school zones and speeds by the DQ at > triple the speed limit all whine about their "rights" and that it's a free > world? Then they decide to get their rocks off with something else and those > of us left with our hobby (passion?) have to deal with the mess left behind. > > I'm sorry that we lost someone that has a passion for our sport, and I'm even > more sorry that a few of you feel that she didn't deserve to be with our list > because she didn't want to have to weed her away through the notes sent in > poor taste. I agree that we should encourage her to be a little more > tolerant, but we all have a breaking point, and when it's crossed, things > break.... > > Good bye Marta, and good luck. > > Smart-Ass responders, ES&D. > > MN Ron > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:52:07 -0700 From: "Prospexx" Subject: (klr650) NKLR Enough of Marta, I am flabbergasted that she touched so many. She has a choice and a voice and she used both. Isn't that what the group is about. Tucked in behind our big dirt biker facade, are a collection of very soft, sensitive men. Well I have to get back to my needlepoint.. Bye Bye. Tom McKenzie tomck@prospexx.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:58:11 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: (klr650) Not Disappointed.... Not Disappointed....That I bought the KLR!!!!!! Comments on various recent topics from a newbie lurker: After a torturous weekend (last weekend) where I had to let my brand new A13 sit in the driveway with 10 miles on the odo while I worked on the house, I made up for lost time this weekend. I managed to rack up 100 miles around home on a couple of evenings. One of the reasons I bought the KLR was to do my 130 mile daily commute and Friday was the first day. I may end up wanting a 16 tooth countershaft sprocket My trip to work is between Dayton and Cincinnati, Ohio and in the morning traffic moves swiftly and speeds range between 75 & 85 mph. The dealer said that breakin procedure did not need to be strictly adhered to and it is the good thing because 4k RPM is not even 65 MPH. My wife and I took a short ride Saturday and I she was not comfortable. I got a little frustrated because she kept telling me the VFR is much better for her to ride on but she wasn't verbalizing why. When we got home she started to think about it more and it might be the slope of the seat and the peg placement. She also said she can't see past me and it is hard to anticipate our moves. I think that might be because I am not leaning forward, which is part of the reason I wanted the KLR. I think I will take some measurements off of the VFR, that she likes, to see how it compares. Sunday made it all worthwhile. Like that golf shot where your last approach shot stops dead on the green leaving you a 6' put and you can't wait to play the next time, yesterday was that perfect day of riding. Two friends and I took a 400 mile romp through southeastern Ohio. We had a TDM, a R100GS and the KLR. For those of you unfamiliar with the terrain here, where I live is as flat as a pool table and we have to drone for at least an hour before the roads get fun. Once you get there, though, the riding is first rate. The KLR carried the flag just fine and just kept running better and better the more broken in it got. Again deviating from the KHI recommended break in procedure, I pretty much rode it like I stole it. Only the future will tell if I will pay any consequences (oil consumption discussion content). It is now ready for the first service with about 650 miles on it. We were about 150 miles from home and I told my friends I needed to adjust my valves and they said they wouldn't wait on me. My dealer said that they do the first service for $40 plus parts and would do anything the service schedule called for for that charge. That sounds like a good deal and I plan to take it back to them. This is the first bike I have ever bought new and am used to doing everything myself but I think I will let them service it during the warranty period. I might paint a stripe on the head cover with nail polish because $40 seems a little too good to be true (dealer rip off discussion content). What is the proper shade to not clash with the cylinder cases? I plan to mount hard bags on the bike and I think I have settled into Givis. There might be a better solution out there but the Givis seem to be the most versatile. If I like them I might also rig them to mount on the VFR. I called Givi and they were making tubular racks but had some break and are going to hold off on shipping anymore. I think I am going to buy the "Wing Racks" and try (with some help) to fabricate some mounts. It looks to me like you could fish a tube or something right between the muffler and the tail section and attach it somehow to the rear sub frame. Anybody know of this kind of attempt? I looked pretty extensively through the archives. I have wanted one of these for about the last two years. My friend who lives in Oregon has one he lets me ride and I have put probably 2k on it over the last several years. Yesterday waxed it for me. Glad to have this list as a resource! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:55:19 -0600 From: "Kollar, Kevin" Subject: (klr650) KLR tweety be gone? So during this mornings start up/warm up/get the helmet on ritual Tweety was pointing his rear into the garage, man that noise is horrible! I kept hoping one of the more creative exhaust surgeons out there would post the cure for the chirpy blues. As the quality of the various aftermarket exhausts seems pitiful, this option doesn't thrill me either. What's a boy to do, I'd rather not call my A10 Tweety. Sing it with me: My exhaust is a chirpin' Don't know what to do Got me no options cept to sing the Tweety blues Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:51:42 EDT From: LawsonCL@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Disappointed Oh, Ron, you're such a suck-up. Chris Lawson KLR650 << Smart-Ass responders, ES&D. MN Ron>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:05:58 -0400 From: Chalz Milliken Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Joke Can someone please send me (off the list) that Joke that seemed to piss so= many people off. I delete allot of the list mail because I am so dam busy= and I must have deleted that joke. Now, after seeing all the reaction from= it, I am very interested in knowing what all the fuss is about. Don't worry= about offending me because I'm a big Howard Stern Fan and feel like humor= saves me from feeling all stressed out and uptight. I need a laugh on this rainy Monday. please help. Chalz A13 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:13:04 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: (klr650) ShimCalc works. This past weekend the weather was not favorable for joyous riding so I tore apart my KLR and checked the valve clearances. I've got 743 miles on it now and knew the 500 mile check wasn't done because I verified that the clearances were too tight at 739 miles. Like I said, it was bad weather and this time I got to the valves in 20 minutes. I used ShimCalc to calculate the new "Ideal" shim and it concurs with my observation that if I want to increase the clearance thereby bringing the measurements closer to the specifications, I must decrease the thickness of the shim. (DAH) In fact, after measuring clearances twice, measuring shim thickness' twice, and calculating with shimcalc four times, I finally agreed with the shimcalc results. (Thick Head measured too). I think the conversion to metric confused me. The bottom line is that ShimCalc works. I'm going to the next thinnest shim on each valve and I should gain a clearance of .002" on an inch on each valve. I couldn't grasp the basic concept of Kawaski's labeling on the shims. The obvious factor I overlooked is that a 265 shim is 5 mm thinner than a 270. And 5 mm is equal to .002". To myself I say --- DAH! I nailed this evaluation! If I had started with the knowledge that the labeling on the shims is thickness of the shim in mm, I think I wouldn't have had to get my keyboard on my computer oily from the KLR fluids. Now I just need to find the shims and I hope this info saves your keyboard someday. - -- Jeff, NM, A13 & '74 TR5T Triumph Adventurer (A Triumph that could tractor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Villarreal Subject: (klr650) NKLR- Disappointed Marta, I too am disappointed- disappointed to see you go. I apologize for any offense you may have taken to my post, as that certainly wasn't my intent. I just kind of figured that some of the people who are into motorcycles might be interested in taking a look at those pictures. Please take the time to reconsider, as this list is as good a place as any to find your "KLR soulmate." If it makes you feel any better I'm now about 99% certain that it wasn't a shootdown after all. It was instead an airshow mishap. But the fact remains that there ARE American troops "over there," doing their best under some very trying circumstances, all at the behest of our civilian leadership. It should be remembered that THEY are the ones who determine where we go and what we do once we get there. But if MY choice involves either losing 1 American life or taking 10 Serbian lives, you can rest assured I won't hesitate to do everything I can to make sure our fellow American makes it back home safe to his/her family. Does this make me a bad human being? Because I take exception to the implication that I might, in any way, be a sadistic person. I am not. I am a navigator on an air refueling platform, and my job is to make sure we get the gas to the people who need it- no matter what. I pursue that objective with relentless determination, and curse myself severely when it isn't reached. That's not a result of me being some kind of warmonger, but rather a function of how I try to do all things, whether it's washing the car or fixing a dinner. I bet you wouldn't be any different if you had elected to wear the uniform. But with one quick line you dismissed everything that makes a person like me tick. Think about it... If a war happens, who is going to be the first to go? The first to have to leave their family? The first to "wake up dead?" Do you think I find that appealing? Absolutely not! But you know, SOMEBODY has to be willing to do it, and where is it written that it shouldn't be me? Yeah we live in a day and an age where everybody really could say "Screw that!", but then where would we be? Plus it's not my style to let "the other guy" shoulder all the load. I'm hoping you can see that I'm not condemning nor attacking you, but am instead trying to make you understand. And it's not just you, for there might be some other people "out there" who have the same mistaken notions about people in uniform. Please let me know what you think, as I am very interested in hearing whatever it is you have to say. Later... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" P.S. The "Your tax dollars at work" line was intended to be ambiguous. The goal was to provoke those who don't support the effort (make your voices heard!) and please those who do. Geez, I get so tired of having to explain myself so much of the time! Nevertheless, my stand on the matter will remain a secret. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #358 ****************************