From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #367 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 367 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:51:19 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Getting the front sprocket off! I have an air impact wrench... Arne - -----Original Message----- From: Vik Banerjee To: klr 650 club list Date: May 4, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: (klr650) Getting the front sprocket off! >Hi all, > >I got a 16th front sprocket from Fred a while back and have finally gotten >around to installing it. I checked the base manual and the 650 supplement, >but they show a different sprocket retention mechanism than I have. The >manuals show tow bolts holding on a plate, I have a single 27mm nut. I have >activated the rear brake and put the bike in 1st while on the centrestand >and given it shit with my ratcheting socket - nothing. I get a bit of >movement from the rubber hub damper, but that's it. > >Any ideas? I am assuming its threaded normally so I am trying to turn the >nut counter-clockwise. > >Cheers, > >Vik > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:54:13 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Getting the front sprocket off! >This cheater bar you speak off...=)..is that what I call it if I go to an >autoparts store? > >Cheers, > >Vik I have a few of these too... Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:59:20 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Drum Brake? - -----Original Message----- From: Andy Burton To: Arne Larsen ; KLR 650 Date: May 4, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) New Umbrella Girl (NKLR) >Is that a rear drum brake on the back?? >>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ Do you mean my sprocket? Or am I missing something? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:05 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: (klr650) (NKLR)tid bits Well, got the latest issue of BMW MOA. Some interesting stuff. Hepco Becker racks and side cases are available from BMW NY Motorcycles 1-888-482-5538 www.bmwny.com Maintenance Free Batteries in all sizes are available from West Co Batteries 1-800-214-8040 www.westcobattery.com Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:20:26 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) T-shirts - -----Original Message----- From: Juan Villarreal To: KLR 650 Date: May 4, 1999 6:12 PM Subject: (klr650) T-shirts >Vik, > >My compliments to you sir! Most, most, >excellent! I can't wait to get mine (and I WILL >get mine 'cause I sent my money off LAST WEEK and >it'll probably get there before everyone elses, >and...)!!! > >Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR >"The Happy Hooligan" ... and I will have mine on Friday! =^) Arne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:26:43 GMT From: "tom stone" Subject: (klr650) KLR 650 Fast Front Fender I found out the other day that Acerbis no longer offers the Fast Front Fender. Does anybody know of an alternative? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:23:09 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Centerstand and Mike... Welcome aboard Mike. Will you have a centerstand for me on Saturday? I'll be at your store if you tell me the address in Seattle. =^) Arne - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Dualsport4@aol.com ; chris_beasley@mindspring.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: May 4, 1999 7:14 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) klr600 Mechanical waterpump seal >Ladies and gentlemen of the list, may I present....dramatic affect>... Mike "Shooting Star" Walburn of Dual Star...Milke >Walburn, ladies and gentleman...give him a big cyber hand...welcome aboard >Mike. No offense but we were hoping for Carrie...she doesn't know as much >but she's a lot prettier (g)... > >Kurt > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:32:32 -0700 From: Eberhart Subject: (klr650) Bieffe Helmets Has anyone on the list tried a Bieffe helmet/ They make one similar to the Nolan 100 and the Shoei Duotech. It is a full face and the chin bar lifts up so you don't have to remove your glasses to put it on or remove it, at least thats what I've heard. Thanks Bill E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:44:54 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR 650 Fast Front Fender yeah, Fred's got'em in white and black he can shoot you a picture if you want... Kurt - -----Original Message----- From: tom stone To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: (klr650) KLR 650 Fast Front Fender >I found out the other day that Acerbis no longer offers the Fast Front >Fender. Does anybody know of an alternative? > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:42:57 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Bieffe Helmets In a message dated 5/4/99 9:35:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eberlj@3-cities.com writes: << Has anyone on the list tried a Bieffe helmet/ They make one similar to the Nolan 100 and the Shoei Duotech. It is a full face and the chin bar lifts up so you don't have to remove your glasses to put it on or remove it, at least thats what I've heard. >> I had one about 4-5 years ago. It wasn't all that swell, but they may have made it better. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:56:34 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Alaska friends... Going to Alaska? Stop in and say hi to friends, Jaimie and Bill Hall, they love good company and will give you a warm hello and a nice cup of Jo.... Kurt Simpson - -----Original Message----- From: Jaimie Hall To: ajax@xmission.com Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 4:48 PM Subject: Hi >Hi from AK >We made it up safely and uneventfully. Roads and weather were fine. As soon >as we dropped over the pass into Skagway we got flurries, rain & cold. It is >a late, wet spring. I'm sure it will clear up and be wonderful again! > >WE are out at the Dyea campground. If your friends come up, they can't miss >our motorhome in the camphost spot. We won't have a phone but I am at the >visitor center everyday but Thurs/Fri, or in the area giving a walk. Our >message number (doesn't work in Canada) is 888/758-3105. > >Hope you have a good summer. We are looking forward to getting up to Dawson >City, at least. >Jaimie and Bill > >Please reply to CalamityJaimie@mail.escapees.com > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:58:10 PDT From: "Brian Hillman" Subject: Re: (klr650) klr600 Mechanical waterpump seal > > P.S The installation requires a driver with a very tite match of the >flange > > diameter. is it possible that the KL600 is different that the 650, I dont think this thing has to be driven in. The oil seal does, but I dont think the mechanical seal does. I manual says nothing about it. ALso, it does say to lube it with coolant before installation. > > > > The seal has been available thru the aftermarket for years and O.E.M. >quality > > too. > > > > The price is $29.00 > > > > Mike > > Where, who, and how?? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:08:17 -0700 From: Christopher J Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) klr600 Mechanical waterpump seal Brian Hillman wrote: > > > P.S The installation requires a driver with a very tite match of the > >flange > > > diameter. > > is it possible that the KL600 is different that the 650, I dont think this > thing has to be driven in. The oil seal does, but I dont think the > mechanical seal does. I manual says nothing about it. ALso, it does say to > lube it with coolant before installation. > Well, they might be different. I got mine from Fred. I have the 650A2 and both the oil seal and mechanical seals had to be driven out and back in. I used sockets as drivers.Cheers! beez snip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:25:12 EDT From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Finally put my 16T on....... In a message dated 5/4/99 3:17:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ajax@xmission.com writes: << Bill was motivated, he didn't have a 48 day supply of Molson's.... >> Yeah, it was one of those things where I just got the urge to get the job done, and everything went smoothly. Rarely happens with me and mods to the KLR. Vic, when I did my carb Dynoet kit stuff, it took me like 5 days, and I was bothering Kurt and anybody who'd listen to my cries for help! Parts fell out, pieces fell and took forever to find; and the people here saved my tail, cuz I was basically clueless! Soooooo, not everything has gone so smooth for me either while working on the Moose. I had a little trouble for a coupla minutes getting my sprocket off, but I gave the back wheel a good hard kick, and that gave me enough slack to get the thing off. Still was pretty tight though. The Moose handguards weren't that easy either come to think of it. I had to move everything over, and cut the ends off of my levers to get them to fit. I think all of us have had problems when doing mods for the first time on our KLR's at one time or another. For some reason, I had no problems putting that "Moose Offroad" sticker on my bike though. Went on without a hitch. :) I've learned alot from my mod dilemma's too. I think...everything seems much easier the second time... Bill S. A12 "Moose" Montgomery, IL. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:36:21 -0500 From: "Tom Meagher" Subject: (klr650) humbling admission of incompetence... This is a follow up on my first valve adjustment experience. Like the fool that I am, I forgot to re-check my valve clearances after putting the cam shafts back on, per Eldon's procedure. (I remember I had rotated the engine to the correct position, but then side-tracked to something else, and then resumed without doing it...). And, besides, I had "double-checked" everything, right? Anyway, Chis B. and Jeff W. (bless 'em) gently admonished me for the omission, but I was too tired then to really consider doing it all over. Luckily, anal-retentive paranoia, coupled with profound self-distrust (based on years of intimate experience) is a wonderful, powerful motivating force. So I got up Sunday morn, (after a fitful night's sleep, tossing, turning, ineradicable visions of burned valves dancing in my lovely new engine...), and checked the little buggers. The procedure was *much* less stressful the second time, due to the absence of uncertainty over how things came apart, and went back together. So much for my previous "double-checking"! The exhaust valves were fine, each around .009", just as I had planned, but I had mistakenly inter-changed THE TWO INTAKE SHIMS! DOH! My LI was a tight .004", and my RI was a loose .008". So I popped the cam shaft, and swapped the 260 and 270 shims around, re-installed, and this time, re-checked. LI now a snug .008", and RI a tight .006". To really top it off, I changed the oil Sunday too, and when I went to ride home from work Monday evening, I noticed a little puddle under the bike. Hmmm. When I got home (stupid, I should have checked it there where I first noticed it!) I noticed that my oil drain plug was just barely more than finger tight! I guess I forgot to wrench it up. Good grief. This reminds me of an experience after I picked up my new R90/6 from the initial service at the BMW Center in Seattle. (anyone remember grumpy old Fred, the proprietor?). Riding home, I got about 5 miles down the road (just over the Aurora bridge) and the rear end got all goofy on me. It turns out the BMW mechanics had not tightened the oil drain plug, and it had fallen out on the road, the oil covering the rear tire, drastically reducing the available traction, and creating a nasty little environmental incident. Luckily, it happened only a block from an after market cycle accessory shop (Seattle Cycle Accessories?) so I was able to get back on the road in short order. Man, I was glad and mad. Glad that I didn't crash in heavy traffic, and MAD at the stupid BMW mechanics (Dave and "Rocky") for being so &#$%@ incompetent. Of course *I* could never do anything so stupid... Thanks again to Jeff and Chris for their sage advice on this matter. Yet another lesson... Tom Meagher (You're only as sick as your secrets.) Houston TX A13 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:44:25 -0500 From: "Tom Meagher" Subject: (klr650) Valve cover sealant:RTV or Gask-a-Cinch? So far, with two valve adjustments in as many days, the Gask-a-Cinch seems to be OK, but I'll keep an eye on it. No leaks or oozing yet. Also, change of subject, but to "micrometer" the valve adjustment feelers seems kind of over-kill, when there is a .004" range, eh? Tom Meagher (still not having learned his lesson) Houston TX A13 - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Tom Meagher Cc: klr list Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 11:47 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) What valve clearences? >>You know, I could have sworn it was RTV! I even took the valve >cover to the >>shop with me today, and told the parts guy "can I have a tube of >RTV for >>this please?", pointing to some of the residue. He came back >with a can of >>Gask-a-cinch, which I used. If they leak I wonder if it starts >right away, >>or waits for a while? >> >All that the manual specifically says is Liquid Gasket (Silicone >Sealant). In this respect, I think that a very thin application >of RTV would be superior, but I could be wrong. > >Jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:05:20 EDT From: Roundr1@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Son of Disappointment Alex Jomarron sobbed: >>I really miss Marta... Have you tried serenading her Alex ? I really meant I was sorry For ever causing you pain You showed your appreciation By leaving the list anyway And that's a cold shot Marta... John Rave On - bad love leave me alone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:38:55 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve cover sealant:RTV or Gask-a-Cinch? >So far, with two valve adjustments in as many days, the Gask-a-Cinch seems >to >be OK, but I'll keep an eye on it. No leaks or oozing yet. > Did you put a new (thin) bead on the gasket when before you reinstalled it? If not, DOH! Just be sure to keep an eye on it for leaks until the next valve adjustment, but don't worry about it unless it leaks. And even if it does leak, you should judge the amount before you decide to do anything about it, like if its just some seepage that attracts dirt and grime, leave it alone, but if oil is like dripping down the engine, then fix it. >Also, change of subject, but to "micrometer" the valve adjustment feelers >seems kind of over-kill, when there is a .004" range, eh? > Depends on the measurement range of the micrometer. Doing so could tell you one of five things: 1. The feeler gauge and micrometer agree, and are accurate. 2. The micrometer and feeler gauge don't agree, so the feeler gauges are wrong. 3. The micrometer and feeler gauges don't agree, so the micrometer is wrong. 4. The micrometer and feeler gauges don't agree, so both are wrong. and lastly 5. The micrometer and the feeler gauges agree, but both are still wrong, just by the same amount. Take your pick! I bought both my feeler gauges and micrometer from Sears, and I really don't want to know how inaccurate they truly are. I just shoot for the middle of the adjustment range, to be safe. Jeff ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #367 ****************************