From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #411 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 411 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 07:05:37 PDT From: "Brian Hillman" Subject: Re: (klr650) Torque vs. HP (WOW) Have you ever heard the expression, "Careful what you ask for...You just might get it"?? I would say this fits. :-) On a serious note, WOW!!! You really should right textbooks. What an awesome explanation of such a confusing subject. >Bob Zeliff asks: > > >OK...I admit...I don't understand why torque and HP must equal at 5252 >[RPM]. > >A few years ago I wrote an artical on torque and horsepower for The >HOGazette. Here's a few excerpts that may help: > >************************************************************* > Torque is a measure of rotational (i.e., angular) force applied to >the crankshaft by the engine and is commonly expressed in pound-feet. One >pound-foot of torque is created when you pull (or push) with one pound of >force on the end of a lever that is one foot long. Multiply the length of >the >lever (measured in feet) by the force on the lever (in pounds) to calculate >the total pound-feet of torque. One horse-power is the amount of power >required to vertically lift 550 pounds a distance of one linear foot >(against >the force of gravity) in one second.......... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:11:27 -0400 From: Brian Shepard Subject: Re: (klr650) $$$$ I paid a total of $100. They did everything except the valve check. - -Brian Shepard shepard@drexel.edu Philadelphia PA Roscoe wrote: > Any body remember how much they paid for their 500 mi service? (250 mi on it > and need to start saving up) > Thanks > Roscoe > Roscoe's Music > 164 W Van Buren > Eureka Springs Ar 72632 > 501.253.5876 > www.roscoesmusic.addr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:17:09 -0400 From: Brian Shepard Subject: Re: (klr650) Getting Serious I paid $4900 out the door (99 Stock KLR650). - -Brian Shepard shepard@drexel.edu Philadelphia PA Bryan Loehr wrote: > I'm getting serious about buying a KLR. Yesterday my local dealer quoted > $5500 for a stock '99, out the door (California). How does that sound? > > Bryan Loehr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:16:29 EDT From: BifferRyan@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Pannier size--more measurement issues I need assistance trying to figure out the measurements of a set of bags. I may have found a good deal on a set of panniers--REI, nonetheless--but need to calculate their size. They have fine stap adjustability to fit my wide tengai rack, which I fabricated on Sunday (after running my full tank empty at 230 miles when I misjudged my range on a 300-mile Saturday ride, but lesson learned and we don't need to discuss this :*). The catalog simply says they're 1800 cubic inches for the set. How to convert this to compare to the Ortlieb's at 2.1 cubic feet each, or 15" X 10" X 8?" OK, so how does this compare to a bag measured by liters? Thanks, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:36:32 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Cort=E9s?= Subject: (klr650) Tengai Hi, I am member of the list that lives in Chile, particularly in = Santiago. This morning driving my pick-up to my work I saw a Tengai with = licence plate from Argentina, our nearest neighbour, and it looks really = nice. I never saw a Tengai like this, it seems to be recent, 94 or = newer. It has low fender, a fairing with the instruments put on it, and = it was wihte and red in colors. Is this model in production? It is sell = in the USA? Thanks, Juan A12 with Saddle bags thanks to my friend Robert Runyard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:41:30 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Pannier size--more measurement issues - -----Original Message----- From: BifferRyan@aol.com To: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:18 AM Subject: (klr650) Pannier size--more measurement issues >I need assistance trying to figure out the measurements of a set of bags. I >may have found a good deal on a set of panniers--REI, nonetheless--but need >to calculate their size. They have fine stap adjustability to fit my wide >tengai rack, which I fabricated on Sunday (after running my full tank empty >at 230 miles when I misjudged my range on a 300-mile Saturday ride, but >lesson learned and we don't need to discuss this :*). The catalog simply says >they're 1800 cubic inches for the set. > >How to convert this to compare to the Ortlieb's at 2.1 cubic feet each, or >15" X 10" X 8?" OK, so how does this compare to a bag measured by liters? 18.75 L = 15" x 10" 8" 1800 cubic inches = 28.2 L Cheers, Vik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:51:20 -0400 From: Bill Haycock Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler Well, i finally got around to installing the Scottoiler on my KLR650! Wanted to check it out on my ride out to Moab (about 1,800 miles out) Will keep detail log of how much oil the thing uses! I have heard usage rates from 300 miles per reservoir up to 2,000! I have mine set at less then one drop a minute so will see what happens. I used the small reservoir, mounted on the left side frame tube that runs down just in front of the battery compartment. Easy place to mount it and has very good access for refilling and adjusting the flow cap. I used the two glue mounted rubber mounts to place the oil drip tube to the plastic chain guard. I will take some pictures later today and get some information and pictures on the Dual Sport Web Page in the next few days. One thing I was glad to note is that filling the small reservoir with oil form the supplied bottle of oil is that it is not difficult, messy or in anyway a hassle. I heard that it was a pain but found it to be very easy and took about two minutes. If the thing works out well on the KLR I'll mount the large touring reservoir on my Tiger - it is actually an easier job as it was designed to fit on the rear fender area where the license plate now mounts. If you are in Moab for the rally I'll be glad to go over a few mounting points that will make your job easier should you decide to try one of these oilers. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:15 -0400 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai At 10:36 AM 5/17/99 -0400, Juan Cort=E9s wrote: >Hi, I am member of the list that lives in Chile, particularly in Santiago. This morning driving my pick-up to my work I saw a Tengai with licence plate from Argentina, our nearest neighbour, and it looks really nice. I never saw a Tengai like this, it seems to be recent, 94 or newer. It has low fender, a fairing with the instruments put on it, and it was wihte and red in colors. Is this model in production? It is sell in the USA? > >Thanks, > >Juan >A12 with Saddle bags thanks to my friend Robert Runyard. =09 Hi, Juan: No Tengais have been sold in North America since 1990. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:49:16 EDT From: OlZorro@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: ST1100 and KLR 650 In a message dated 5/17/99 8:44:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Godley writes: << <> >>>snip<<< Outrageous! You are the 3rd person that owns the combination of these two bikes including me. I have a 1995 KLR and a 1999 ST. BTW, my KLR has a Russell "Daylong". Uncanny. See ya, Mark >> Hey Mark; I honestly, and devoutly, believe that with these two bikes, there just isn't much worth doing that can't be done. Your choices reflect your good taste and comprehensive analysis of the sport. Wa-hoo! You going to Moab with the other cool cats? Go ride. John Paul Gray (wondering what kind of thread this might stimulate) Dana Point CA 94 ST1100 95 KLR650 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: dan shaw Subject: (klr650) stripped threads hello gang, well, i do remember lots of listers writing about helicoils recently. well, i should have read them more carefully because on saterday i stripped the threads on the valve cover bolts. are there other alternatives to the helicoils? i really dont want to have to buy the whole helicoil kit with special bits and taps. can i use the - -save-a-thread kit that uses standard threads and taps? is there such thing as a thread repair compound? also, what size thread are these bolts? thanks! dan _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:12:51 EDT From: Jdfsau3@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) The Moab Slick Rock Bike Trail NKLR I live in Marin County where mountain biking susposedly began. You better be very careful when you start criticizing motorcyclist for their '"inconsiderate ridng" because these very same excuses have been used here in Marin to close off most of the trails to mountain bikers. Realize that when you decide to criticize offroad motorcyclists, this will provide the ammo needed to eliminate offroad bicycling. This is especially important considering that many bicyclists ride in ways that are far more reckless and out of control than anything I have seen offroad motorcylists do. The people who want to close off these areas want any sort of mechanized transportation declared illegal. Motorcycles first. Bicycles definitely second. You cannot compromise with these people because deep down many of them are true believing fanatics. Environmentalism is their religion, and a very intolerant one at that. They live in a world where compromise is only a temporary diversion from their ultimate goal of out right bans. John F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:11:24 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Torque and HP Bob Zeliff wrote: > OK...I admit...I don't understand why torque and HP must equal at 5251. Actually, the magic number is 5252, but you were near enough. I'll leave the exact numerical derivations to the experts. Mister_T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:33:21 +0000 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: Re: (klr650) 500 Mile service (No Valve adjust) John Smith wrote: > Well said; I understand completely. Thanks very much. I think I am going to buy > the service manual and some good tools and do it myself. I'v pretty much given > up on trying to find a good bike shop. Anybody take their bike to a > NON-Kawasaki place like a Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki place? > Actually... I bought my KLR from a Honda-Suzuki dealer - one of the few reputable dealers in the LA area. So I knew they had given it a fairly thorough going over. And after I put 3000 more miles on it, I knew it was due for a valve check, but I didn't have time to learn it myself due to work constraints, so I got recommendations from a local biker list as to local dealerships, and got a name of a place that was recommended as - "does good work, but they're flakey so you gotta push to get your bike back out in a reasonable time". Which was an exact description of the shop. But he adjusted a couple of valves that were loose (she now runs smoother), and he also redid the suspension - oils changed and stuff like that. He said if I wanna do the Progressive thing, he'll order 'em and just slide 'em in because he knows the oil is clean, and he's got some brake pads on order which he'll just charge me parts on, but he'll install as soon as they come in. So if you're local to LA, try Dual Sport Connection in Glendale. But only do it if you don't mind not riding your KLR for 2 weeks. Man did I miss her! The CBR was tolerable, but it just sucks at lanesplitting compared to the KLR... Fred, I'm sorry to say I may have found a local dealer to support. But if he continues to take 2 weeks for a little thing like brake pads, I may be back to the amazing Utah service of instant turnaround. It all depends on the priorities I've got at the time... Sarah - -- Sarah Barwig Developer WeddingChannel.com (213) 599-4144 888 S. Figueroa St., Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA, 90017 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:57:25 -0700 From: Christopher J Beasley Subject: Re: (klr650) Aaaargh! Thanks folks. I'll be taking my helmet lock to the 'smith. The reason I only had one key in the first place is that my dealer won't make copies on Kawis. b Christopher J Beasley wrote: > Folks, I lost my KLR keys! :( > What should I do! > Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope! > b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rev. Chuck MacKarness" Subject: Re: (klr650) $$$$ - --- Roscoe wrote: > Any body remember how much they paid for their 500 > mi service? (250 mi on it > and need to start saving up) > Thanks ********************** Rosco, I was quoted $150 and charged $115. Hope this helps... I see most listers were charged around the $150 mark, take a look into the archives, I'm sure there is enough data there to build a research paper on the subject. Good luck on the valve clearance inspection :^) === Rev. Chuck '99 KLR651 :^)>+ _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:21:08 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Aaaargh! Chris, A while back my buddy went to a Kawi dealer to get extra keys made...they guy told him blanks would be like $15 per copy and he'd have to get the key cut elsewhere. He went to a hardware store and asked if they could cut a key for him....he got 4-5 done for $15......I still have a copy...lol..unfortunately he lost his bike.....=( Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: 'KLR650MailList' Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Aaaargh! >Thanks folks. I'll be taking my helmet lock to the 'smith. >The reason I only had one key in the first place is that my dealer won't make >copies on Kawis. >b > > >Christopher J Beasley wrote: > >> Folks, I lost my KLR keys! :( >> What should I do! >> Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope! >> b > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:29:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Dale Borgeson Subject: (klr650) Re: Torque vs Horsepower The formula is Torque x RPM Horsepower = --------------- 5252.11 550 ft-lb/sec x 60 sec/min 5252.11 = --------------------------- 2 x pi The above is a simplified derivation, the exact derivation is a bit more complicated but not much. Power is work/time. Work is force times distance. So, power is (force x distance) / time. It all boils down the the basic definition of horsepower is 1hp = 550 ft-lbs/sec, torque is measured in ft-lbs, rotational speed is revolutions per min, and the fact that in an engine the force is applied in rotationally (torque) rather than linearly. If you use different units for torque (newton-meter for instance) or power (like watts) the constant would have a different value although the result would be the same amount of power. For example, there is 1 horsepower = 0.745 kilowatt. Cheers - -- Dale Borgeson dalebor@tiny.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. "Motorcycle Touring For Beginners" at www.visi.com/~dalebor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:05:28 -0000 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) Givi mounts anyone, anyone? OK, I know Givi and 5 Stars ain't makin' mounts no more. Anyone know of any other mounts that would work? I want to purchase a set that works, not build/weld my own. Tim B., are there plans for Givi mounting in the future for your SU racks? TIA, Eric Jasniewicz Atlanta, GA 1998 KLR 650 www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #411 ****************************