From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #488 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, June 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 488 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:39:22 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Electrical Accessories >Hell, I don't even think the KLR has the cargo capacity to carry a PLGR :P >b > Don't see why not, its not that much larger than your Garmin. Maybe your thinking about the old Magellan slugger? Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 01:54:01 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Temp Gauge >I was out riding tonite 75 degrees...and I was wondering what everyone >else reads on the temp gauge while riding in 2nd-3rd gear my gauge was >standing straight up and the fan would cycle on-off about every minute >or two I rode like this for 5-6miles and the temp seemed to hold about >there except when I would stop and then it would climb a bit more this >seems to a bit on the warm side to me what happens to you guys out west >when it's 90 degrees does the gauge stay about in the middle I checked >the coolant and oil level and evrything was fine the bike is a 1999 and >I don't remember what the the 95 I had ran for temp........just paranoid >I guess. Sounds just right. In the hotter weather, sitting still can be a problem, and the temp guage can climb pretty high. Never got hot enough for me to stop though. Don't worry about it, perfectly normal. Not to irk anyone but a couple of my friends have XR's & XRL's >and I've helped them work on them and from what I see they are built >waaaay better than the KLR..... grease zirks on the shock linkage, >remote res. rear shock, brakes that actually work plus they ride >wheelies from hell. Don't get me wrong I like my KLR this is the second >one I've had but I think the Hondas are built alot better plus everyone >says the XRL's suck on the road but I ran the KLR & XRL through the gear >calc and the XRL turns fewer RPM at 60 MPH than the KLR and it has a >ton more bottom end than the KLR I really like the Honda too, but was turned off by its 100 mile range per tankfull. I've owned a XL500S, and an XL600R. I never had a problem riding them on the highway, but I always knew that I was riding a dirt bike, not a street bike, and that's the ride I got. I used to have a handlebar windshield on the 600R which helped, but the KLR is definitely better at higher speeds. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:05:44 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: Umbrella Girl...NKR > >> >>I have a special Umbrella Girl this week. Roxanne is Gino's daughter and a >>real cutie. You can see my Umbrella Girl page at.. >>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/page23.html > > >wait a minute...sure she's cute but what is that she is sitting on? Is that the Eddie >Lawson replica? Gino, you are so sick... > What's that, the ZXR 1100? Sweet! I used to own a KZ 1000 similar to this, minifairing and Kerker 4 into 1 pipes. Much too fast, had to sell it at the end of the summer. Kind of miss it sometimes, but I was 18 and dumb, and it was too much club for me. Probably saved my life selling it. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:28:08 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bleeding Front Brake & Replacing Fuse Box >Next week or so I tackle the cam shimming stuff....Question: Is it better >to start with an empty fuel tank? Taking my bike apart that far scares the >crap out of me, but I guess I'll try it. > Depends on your upper body strength. I don't know what the density of gas is, but water is about 7.5 lbs per gallon, so a full tank is probably about 30 - 40 lbs. Not hard to lift, but it would definitely be easier if it was empty. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:09:05 -0400 From: Tom Simpson Subject: RE: (klr650) brake pads? At 10:12 AM 6/11/1999 -0600, Pokluda, Gino F wrote: >>>time for new pads on the klr650. i have >heard the dunlop pads recommended. > >wont those be kind of hard on the rotor, >since they are metallic pads? > >what about the EBC or >the galfer green pads?<< > >I have the galfer greens on mine. They work good, but I think the dunlopads >are better. EBC and SBS have always seemed weak to me. EBCs are a bit weak but OK, Braking Systems are not especialy strong and dont last worth a diddly and DPs are grrreat! - -Tom cant wait to wear out his current EBCs. '96 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 06:52:50 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bleeding Front Brake & Replacing Fuse Box - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wehner To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: (klr650) Bleeding Front Brake & Replacing Fuse Box > Thanks again. I am very impressed with this list. Nice folks, no > attitudes, lots of help. Hope that I can contribute when I actually have > some experience! > LA Michael > michael.wehner@trw.com > > '99 KLR650 (1st bike) > Moab 99 Thanks Michael, you just did! Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:49:03 -0400 From: Bill Wright Subject: (klr650) Mobil 1 Oil Picked this up on the ST1100 list, where I am a lurker. Because of the recent oil threads on our list I thought it might be of use: This week, perusing motor oil on the shelves, I noticed that Mobil 1 has a new designation on the container - "Tri-Synthetic". So I called the Mobil Oil tech info line (800-ask-mobil) and asked, "Is this a new formulation, or is this new advertising?" Here's what I found out... The "Tri-Syntehtic" is a new formulation. Although they didn't call it "Di-Synthetic", that's what the old oil was, because its base stock was a mixture of 2 synthetic fluids. The new one has the same 2, with an additional 3rd fluid which they say makes it a better-performing lubricant. And the 15w50 is still *not* Energy-conserving. But that's just part of the story... The new Mobil 1 oils (still available in motorcyclists' favorite 15w50 weight) meet the new "SK" classification which will replace "SJ", but it still meets "CF" for diesel which, if you don't already know, is a good thing! But there is a 'downside' which some of you worry a lot about. The new "SK" oils will have even lower concentrations of the zinc/phosphorous additive that some say is necessary to protect, especially in severe service, or older Magnas and their ugly stepsisters, the Sabre. Officially, Mobil are recommending you use the Mobil motorcycle-specific oil. However, if you are a Mobil 1 fan, you just might want to *go to your favorite oil store and buy a 1 or 2 year supply of Mobil 1 15w50 in the old style container* because it just may be a better oil for motorcycles than the new "Tri-Synthetic" formulations. Or, do what I do. Add half of a 15-ounce container of STP oil treatment for new cars (black plastic container, available at PepBoys) with each oil change. This stuff is just a 4X concentration of zinc/phosphorous additive in motor oil, and will boost your zinc/phosphorous level back to where it was when "SG" oils were recommended for most motorcycles. You don't want to use the STP stuff in either blue or red containers because those also contain polymer thickeners which you don't need. Got more questions? Call Mobil. That's where I got all my info because I was curious, and I figured some of you are curious also!! Bill Wright Hotlanta, GA. 98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 27k miles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:58:06 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive shock review, tour report >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:49:59 -0400 >To: Christopher J Beasley >From: "R. Kaub" >Subject: Re: (klr650) Progressive shock review, tour report >Cc: klr560@lists.xmission.com >In-Reply-To: <37649797.4B65621D@mindspring.com> >References: <009201beb621$a7ef33c0$c9118ad1@omnibook> > >At 10:48 PM 6/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >>> time), 2 trucks and one car. PA riders are complete A-holes,got one wave >> >>Hey there eric! Check fire! >>b > >Ahh, a painter with a very broad brush. ;-) > >I live and ride in PA and I'm not an complete asshole. Complete asshole-ism takes years of serious effort to achieve. I'm too lazy to work that hard for so long. >Complete assholes earn the coveted orange bumper sticker that says: > >"Jesus loves you. But everybody else thinks you're an asshole." > >Incomplete assholes usually have a couple of friends left. > >And, I've been telling you folks that harley-dudes don't wave around here. >Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:33:49 -0400 From: "Blake, Paul" Subject: RE: (klr650) Honda Mirrors That's great to hear! Anyone else have a similar or better solution to the buzzy mirrors? Dallas Paul A13 One of the few things wrong with the KLR/Tengai is buzzy mirrors. I picked up a couple XR650L mirrors from Fred while in Moab and just got around to mounting them. The difference in clarity is amazing. I used to get a buzz at 3500 rpm's with the stock KLR mirrors which made them almost useless. Of course it seems like I am always at that rpm when around town in traffic. The Honda mirrors are perfectly clear and vibration free at all rpm's. The difference is so significant that I feel as if I'm riding a different motorcycle. Thanks Fred. Eric B2 (TEN GUYS) Ukiah, CA Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:45:31 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Alternator Capacity? So has anybody ever temporarily wired up a cheapo amp meter and rode with a vest and grips/gloves to see if it charging or discharging? I have been wanting a KLR for a year round ride because I live in Ohio where in February it will be zero and two weeks later it might hit 50 on a sunny weekend day. So after I go buy one I read in the archives that some opinions state that it won't carry the extra electrics. I may do this (temp rig of gauge) myself but not until I finish the current house projects that are preventing me from riding except to work. Also, it was about 90 & 90 yesterday so the motivation to test the electric vest is low.... Mark McCoy Ted Palmer wrote: > Cloudhid@aol.com wrote: > > > Mister_T wonders: > > >The 650 alternator must have been beefed up over the 600 specs of > > >14A @ 8000rpm, 14V. > > > The 600 they imported here has a redline of 8,000rpm and lists; > > single-phase 10.5A @ 8,000rpm, 14V (10.5A * 14V = 147W) > > The 650 has a redline of *7500rpm* but shows; > > three-phase 14A @ 8,000rpm, 14V (14A * 14V = 196W) > > Erk, where were the single-phase 600 specs obtained? I got my 600 > specs from the base manual and checked it for any variations against > the 600 electric-start (B-series) supplement. > > > So far I've resisted any urge to push past the 7500rpm redline > > on my 650. Anyone know what the average output is at a more > > realistic 5-6000rpm cruising range? Maybe it reaches it's peak > > well before redline and the regulator dumps any excess? > > I admit I'd be reluctant to take my bike up to redline in neutral to > check the alternator output. > I would expect the output to top out around cruise revs. > > Mister_T > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:52:29 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Bleeding Front Brake & Replacing Fuse Box I think gas is 6.1 lpg Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: > >Next week or so I tackle the cam shimming stuff....Question: Is > it better > >to start with an empty fuel tank? Taking my bike apart that far > scares the > >crap out of me, but I guess I'll try it. > > > Depends on your upper body strength. I don't know what the > density of gas is, but water is about 7.5 lbs per gallon, so a > full tank is probably about 30 - 40 lbs. Not hard to lift, but > it would definitely be easier if it was empty. > > Jeff > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:22:47 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Help Help! I have also had great results from a product called "PB Blaster" that I think is available @ Pep Boys. I can't remember where I bought it last because it cam so highly recommended that I really stocked up on it when I found it. My friend who told me about it has a very highly modified snowmobile and the clutch (torque converter) is attached to the output shaft with a taper lock. If it moves on the shaft at all (wonder how that might happen when it is set up to initially engage a 200 hp at about 5000 rpm....) it galls slightly and won't come off. The PB Blaster seems to creep in there and release it. The label is kind of amusing because it claims to be like magic snake oil or something but it does work very well. Mark McCoy Robert Morgan wrote: > Hey Beez > See if you can find a local High End foreign car garage or European car > dealership like Benz or Porsche that sells "Wurth" automotive products. > Wurth sells an aerosol penetrant they call "Rost Off".....(rust Off). It > shits on WD-40! In 25 years of hammering on rusty Reich/metal I have not > encountered any thing that comes close. I believe it is slightly acidic > which chemically attacks the rusty parts. Once apart I would grease these > parts with waterproof boat trailer wheel bearing grease. That should not be > hard to find. You might see if there is an opportune place to install a > zirch fitting......we older mechanics actually remember when machinery was > designed to be serviced, not just replaced. > When you get it all back together you might want to only ride down the beach > at low tide after this. > peace Morgan > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #488 ****************************