From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #495 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, June 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 495 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:33:24 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) Alternator Capacity? Conall O'Brien wrote: [ammeter test insertion procedure] I wonder what the ammeter will have to say about the starting current. Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:44:30 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Mobil 1 Oil ...................................> snip<....................... >And the 15w50 is still *not* Energy-conserving. But that's just part of ..................................>snip<.................................... .... > >Bill Wright >Hotlanta, GA. >98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 27k miles When an oil has qualified for the " Energy Conserving" starburst, all it basically means ( as far as we are concerned) is that a higher level of friction modifiers has been added to replace the reduced levels of zinc and phosphorous. Being a synthetic oil, Mobil 1 and most other synthetics CAN`T qualify for the API starburst because the friction modifiers weren`t added, due to the fact that they don`t NEED them to meet the API lubricity standards, whereas the SJ and SK oils do need them. The story from Mobil engineers ( not 1-800 reps) and Shell engineers is that the added friction modifiers have been reported to be causing clutch slippage in some wet clutch bikes. I have another oil post on the final word from the manufacturers and oil engineers I was supposed to post before Moab. I`ll get my notes together and try to do it this week as there have been some shuffling among the motorcycle manufacturers in the concern over the SJ and SK oils. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:56:06 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Alternator Capacity? >So has anybody ever temporarily wired up a cheapo amp meter and rode with a vest >and grips/gloves to see if it charging or discharging> Mark McCoy > Mark, I have an ammeter on my bike, but no accessories to see about the draw you`re interested in. I prefer the ammeter to the volt-meter as it is a more accurate for alternator load indications, whereas my volt-meter is better to monitor the battery state. Aircraft generally use ammeters ( if they only have one electrical meter) instead of volt-meters for this reason. Most presently are using both. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:03:40 EDT From: Carmic7@aol.com Subject: (klr650) talking to fred I've always had a slight fear of my KLR because no one but me liked it, or understood it, or worked on it. but today all that changed I SPOKE TO FRED FOR THE FIRST TIME ! THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE ME OUT THERE do you all know what I mean? boy am I glad I didn't buy that PD with 47000 miles on it for 5000.oo but there is one question that I don't think anyone has the answer to: Why does the front headlight housing/plastic unit look so strange? - -neil Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:59:23 -0700 From: "Steven Timm" Subject: Re: (klr650) (nklr) walkin' the walk See ya soon Alex. I hope the weather here stays this way for ya. It's hot...real hot! Cheers... - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Jomarron To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 15:30 Subject: (klr650) (nklr) walkin' the walk >Well KLRists, >I'm outta here Wednesday in the a.m. >I'll make sure to make a post here and there. >See some of you on the road and wish me luck! > >Alaska here I come! > >Alex > > >=== >Alex Jomarron >Oak Park, IL USA >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:02:56 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Mirror Vibration ....................................> snip<................... >No, there isn't anyone near me who has a Honda mirror on their bike for me >to try. >BTW, what's the Honda mirror going for? >Thanks >Bob Kaub Bob, You can have mine if I can find them. They didn`t work for me either. The Suzuki GS rubber-inserted mirror mounts worked better on my bike than the Honda mirrors, although I still wasn`t satisfied. My mirror mod worked great and was cheap, but I guess a little to scary for most, so I went after the source, the engine. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:06:49 EDT From: Carmic7@aol.com Subject: (klr650) luggage racks what do I use to hold my bags away from my pipe and plastics? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:09:37 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) luggage racks Tim Bernard makes some side racks to do just this (see the KLR650 section of www.dualsport.org), you can fab some of your own or ask Arne Larson (alarsen@rapidnet.net ) who is dying to weld up some stuff (gotta justify that new welding rig) to make you something. Oh ya dual star makes a guard that will keep the luggage off the pipe, but doesn't do anything about your plastic. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Carmic7@aol.com To: fredinmoab@listbot.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:09 PM Subject: (klr650) luggage racks >what do I use to hold my bags away from my pipe and plastics? > >Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:20:55 -0600 From: "Bruce Hedquist" Subject: Re: (klr650) Best collection of Moab 99 pics on the web. > Well, here are the best of my pics from the Moab 99 get together. top. > Kenny, you were right. Definitely worth waiting for. You had some excellent shots! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:24:51 -0600 From: "Bruce Hedquist" Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions... > > A SuperTrapp I.D.S does what to the Power Curve of a stock KLR650 >A9? > I feel the need more mid range. Jeff, I live in Albuquerque and have the IDS as well as the DynoJet ket on my 93. You are welcom to give it a try. Contact me off line if interested. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:32:13 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) A-13 extra wires > >>also now I need to replace the fork boots and I want yellow,does anyone >know >>who sells KLR boots in colors?--neil Go to a Yamaha shop. Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:36:39 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) "I'm melting" - -----Original Message----- From: Steven Timm To: Jeff Hayden ; Rev. Chuck MacKarness Cc: klr650@lists.xmission.com ; klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Date: June 13, 1999 6:49 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) "I'm melting" >Just got back from a trip. Went from Abbotsford B.C., Canada to Mt. St. >Helens. The temp today was hot...Real hot! As I took off my Kawasaki saddle >bags I almost burnt my damn hand. The plastic was discoloured and ready to >start melting. >Other then this my ride was FANTASTIC!!! What's this??? Another Abbotsfordian KLRoritte??? Where were you when I set out from my home in Abbotsford two weeks ago to meet up with Brian in Chilliwack, to hook up with Vik in Butte (from Canmore, ALTA) to head to Moab??? Arne - who left the cold in Moab to come home and go back to work in 90+ degree weather... Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:38:02 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR, not as good? ><< Buy a DR350 and have a sore butt and loose eyeballs after 50 highway >miles. >> > >I was with you, Bro.... until the DR350 comment. They really aren't that bad >on the highway. After 400 miles from Albuquerque to Moab, I was able to >recognize a KLR650 3 out of 5 times. > >Gino Tough call... ;^) Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:30:41 -0700 From: "Karl Raupp" Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #479 > all the dealers in Canada to try and find one. I don't want to wait for > the 2000 KLR650. Good things come to those who wait ;) TTYL Karl Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:46:30 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bleeding Front Brake & Replacing Fuse Box I have not yet done the fan >fuse box - by the way, how does one know that the fuse blew on this? You >overheat? Correct. Not necessarilly while in motion, but stopped at a light on a warm day the temp guage will rise pretty fast. >Next week or so I tackle the cam shimming stuff....Question: Is it better >to start with an empty fuel tank? Unless you don't mind herniating a disc with a full (heavy) tank, it's easier to have it near empty. Taking my bike apart that far scares the >crap out of me, but I guess I'll try it. Not difficult. Just remember where the pieces go and you'll be fine. Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:46:29 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Fwd: water pump - --part1_280e458d.24971885_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this to the KLR list. I have not had any problems with my water pump, maybe someone else in the group can help out. Gino - --part1_280e458d.24971885_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v59.34) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:44:39 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id AAA22937 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15187 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 04:44:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614044457.15186.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.212.201.52 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:44:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.212.201.52] From: Lea Catason To: k650dsn@aol.com Subject: water pump Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:44:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Editor, My neighbor is a member of your club and has a question about his water pump on a klr 650. This is what happened-- the water pump shaft broke and he needs to know if there is an easy replacement of the shaft with out tearing the engine all the way down. He recently just fixed this puppy. So after he buys the balancer which is the way kawasaki sells the part do you know if the shaft is pre-installed? Please reply when you have a chance. Thank you for you time. I will give my neighbor the news. from Lea _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - --part1_280e458d.24971885_boundary-- Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:58:13 -0700 From: Jeff Subject: (klr650) [NKLR]Cool wave Brian wrote: >I'm from PA and lately it seems I'm the only one who waves. I had a waving complex at first because my waves were not getting returned either. Until while on a long ride w/h all my camping gear on board (See photo on biker site below), I was leaning back into my gear as if in an easy chair and a natural wave came off of the end of my arm. Man, was it cool. I call it my "Cool Wave". Here's how it goes and you don't need an easy chair but it helps: Drop your arm out and down at a 45 degree angle and wave with open palm facing the wind. Don't over exaggerate the action. Only a slight flick of the wrist will do. If the other rider doesn't return that wave then he/she just isn't cool. I'm getting better than a 98% return on my "Cool Wave". It's awesome when my "Cool Wave" gets a return on a hard curve and I'm one handed. That one works every time, but, it's not too safe. BTW my old wave came up from the handle bar and it sucked! I saw a guy wave back to me like that last week and he almost lost control of his bike. He was on a Geezer Glide. I think it was a Honda Davidson. To summarize, my "Cool Wave" may not appeal to all, but, I think it's cool and I am all that counts. - -- Jeff, NM, A13 http://www.biker.net/klark/ - My KLR Page Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:56:19 -0400 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) 2000 KLR color scheme at your dealer now I saw pics of the 2000 KLR 650 at a friends shop today. It is puke army green, not very attractive in my opinion. Your dealer should have pics available. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:49:16 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Vibration >......................> snip<....................... >The only way to make accurate predictions is via NASTRAN modeling of the >motorcycle including the engine and the mirrors...not an easy task, and >often not very accurate anyway. > >However, there are some generic ways of reducing the vibration effects. >Isolate the mirror from the disturbance source (the motor). That is what >the Honda mirrors do. The post is anchored in rubber so there is no >metal-metal path from the engine to the mirror. The mirror still has lots >of vibration modes, but the amplitude of them is reduced somewhat. > >Adding additional damping material (say some type of rubber to the shaft) >would further reduce the vibration. How much, I don't know. > >One could also add a spring-mass system to the mirror to reduce vibration. >In this case the small mass on the spring would vibrate like mad instead of >the mirror. This would be tough to tune though, and might only work at >certain frequencies. > >If I get the time, I'll experiment a bit. If anyone else tries anything, I >would love to hear how it worked. However, what works for one may not work >for another. Every motorcycle will have somewhat different vibration >characteristics. > >By the way, my Honda mirrors are better than stock, but not perfect by any >means. I still am looking for further vibration reduction. > >LA Michael Michael, I worked on this problem systematically for 7 months with two solutions. The only two ways to properly irradicate vibration is isolation or frequency cancellation, the latter not being practical. After many attempts at damping ( not irradication) with no satisfactory results, I isolated the mirrors by cutting the stalks at a determined distance from the base, joining the two halves back together with a thick walled neoprene-rubber hose with a rubber disc between the two ends and machined a clamp to encase the joint. The clamp is adjustable and the reason is, that after many trial runs, I could adjust the clamp tension till I dialed out all blurring at almost all rpms and loads. Also I found that as it got considerably colder, the characteristics would change and all I had to do was loosen the clamps a little. It works fantastic, except that most are afraid to cut their mirrors. Keeping this in mind, I went after the source, the engine. After three months of vibrational analysis of the KLR, I found the frequency specific material I needed for my engine mounts. One of my aircraft engine mount manufacturers worked with me on the project to help me select an isolator design that was practical and affordable. They also designed and supply the isolators for Harleys. In short, I was able to isolate almost all engine vibration, at all rpms except idle, which had the lowest frequencies and worst pulse figures. My shakedown run was the almost 1000 miles to Moab and a 1000 back. Clean, clear mirrors all the way. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #495 ****************************