From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #503 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 503 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:39:43 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier >>I was thinking I'd do a carrier that would hold the front wheel and >>let the back run on the ground....just need to take the chain off (you can't >>allow any part of the bike trans to turn, not even in neutral....Fred >>showed me what happens > >My cousin dragged a "Honda Trail 90" 9,000 (around the USA) on the rear >wheel (as above) without removing the chain. (I wouldn't do that with my >400!). Moral of the story is that if he can go 9,000 maybe there's no >worries on a short jaunt? > I'd worry about it. Without the motor turning the oil pump, and no oil pressure to the bearings on the countershaft, they could get burned pretty quickly, even if they are in an oil bath from the sump. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:58:38 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Too Much Safety? >>Popular Science. It is a vest system that has a lanyard attached to the >>bike, and when you are thrown or move a certain distance from the attach >>point, the vest inflates. >>It is currently only for sale in Japan. > >I think we should outlaw them before they become compulsory... Darrel > I don't know, I think that it would be funny to see HD riders wearing these and their little Nazi half helmets. They'd probably try and find ways to stitch their club patches on and make it look like leather. Might almost be worth the laugh. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:15:44 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier OOPS! I got that 425 lbs from the DSN site KLR FAQ, and I think its wrong. In the manual, it lists the dry weight at 153 kg, which is about 337 lbs. If you add up the front and rear curb weights, they you get 178 kg, which is about 392 lbs. I'd still be concerned with the tongue weight capacity of the hitch on the vehicle though. Jeff >Hey Fred, Paul, > >I noticed on that website that the weight limit of this rack is >400 lbs, and the dry weight of the KLR is 425. So its probably >what, 465 filled with gas and oil and coolant. I'd say that this >rules this rack out for use with the KLR650. I'd definitely ask >somebody at the company on this. The other consideration is that >I've seen class II and class III hitches with 2 inch receivers, >and I don't think that they can handle the weight either. >Actually, I don't remember the hitch weight limits on the >different hitch classes, so someone who knows feel free to >enlighten. > >Jeff > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:32:24 -0500 From: "Roscoe" Subject: (klr650) Rain I was out riding in a BAD rain on Sunday and my bike was missing and running badly (98 KLR with 1300 mi). The next day in the dry it was fine. Any body have any ideas where to look first where the water might be getting in and shorting or drowning it out? Thanks for any help. Roscoe Roscoe's Music 164 W Van Buren Eureka Springs Ar 72632 501.253.5876 www.roscoesmusic.addr.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:05:01 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: (klr650) re: GIVI mounts At 05:04 PM 6/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >Rob, > >Did you talk to the US distributor or GIVI Italy? Just curious because I >talked with them a little over a month ago and they (US distributor) told me >they dropped the side luggage mounts, and did not intend to produce a new >version. Eric: I spoke to the USA folks @704-679-4123. I keep conversation notes and have called them four times in the last year regarding side racks. There is always some sort of delay but they also always say the racks will be available in a "month or so". I still don't have a set. Andres Carlstein (on his way to Argentina) got a set from them a couple of months ago that I saw and they looked just fine to me. Maybe someday. Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:15:15 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: Re: (klr650) plastic meltdown At 08:19 PM 6/15/99 -0400, you wrote: >my '99 a13 has a heat shield with insulation under the plastic panel on the exhaust pipe side. is this on the earlier models too? it looks like it should work. i don't want to melt anything. somebody should mold a fiberglass replacement panel. i reckon the color match would be the only challenge. carbon fiber would be the trick. james. > >Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?lnr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Jimmy: The insulation on my '99 bike came loose and slid down and halfway out the bottom of the right side cover. I discovered it while checking the oil right after a 100 mile ride. I don't know if it would have fallen completely out (and then lost) if I were on a longer ride. I used a hot glue gun with the heavy duty (kinda yellowish colored) glue sticks to re-attach the insulation. It's still there. The cover itself was not damaged in any way. Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:29:38 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR KLR juice At 03:15 AM 6/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >> Should I be using full synthetic oil in my 99' KLR? Does synthetic oil >> actually make a difference? If it is better, even in the slightest, I'll >go Oh, god, please, not again!!!!!! ;-} Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:46:25 EDT From: JIM71234@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier Regarding the weight of the KLR650 - thought dry weight was in the 335 area, and full gas and oil make it maybe 380. Hope I'm right as I will have a heckuva time picking it up at my age when, not if it goes down at over 450 Lbs. Jim-A13-Cocoa Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:03:25 -0400 From: "Blake, Paul" Subject: RE: (klr650) Moto Carrier The specs weigh the KLR in at 338lbs dry. Figure in all the fluids and probably pushing 380lbs or so. As for the ability of the different types of hitches, I'm not sure. It seems like the tongue weight of a good sized boat trailer would be somewhere around this weight though. I have a full size pickup which I figure should be able to handle the load fairly easily. Now I just have to decide whether I want to shell out the $$ for the rack, or just keep putting the bike in the bed of my truck. Great Fathers day gift I figure!! Paul > > > an interesting means of >> transporting a motorcycle > > Hey Fred, Paul, I noticed on that website that the weight limit of this rack is 400 lbs, and the dry weight of the KLR is 425. So its probably what, 465 filled with gas and oil and coolant. I'd say that this rules this rack out for use with the KLR650. I'd definitely ask somebody at the company on this. The other consideration is that I've seen class II and class III hitches with 2 inch receivers, and I don't think that they can handle the weight either. Actually, I don't remember the hitch weight limits on the different hitch classes, so someone who knows feel free to enlighten. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:28:52 -0400 From: "Blake, Paul" Subject: RE: (klr650) Two Up With Kids Vince, My wife and I have ridden two up for several hours at a time with no problem. I set the suspension (spring and damper) to 3, and the bike handles fine. I weigh 180lbs, and my wife (hope she never sees this) is around 130lbs. You have to allow a little extra distance for stopping, and taking off is not exactly jack rabbit quick. But, the bike has no problem handling the load what so ever. I am still in the break-in period, so I'm not sure what it's like at extremely high speeds. I was able to run at about 60mph @ under 4K rpm, no problem, and I could tell the bike was more than willing and able to exceed that. I have a 7 yr old daughter that is itching to go for a ride with me. If she does, it will be a short trip because at that age, they have a VERY short attention span!! (g) Paul Dallas, Tx A13 Vince wrote: Does anyone on the list have any experience with riding two-up with their kids? I'd like to take my 10 year old son on some short rides this summer, but I'm worried about how the bike will handle it. I'm 6' and 280lbs and my son is about 70 lbs. I've been riding for quite some time, but no two-up experience. My wife (registered nurse, non-motorcyclist) says no way in hell, but I've based my marriage on the premise that its easier to receive forgiveness than permission, so I'm looking forward to trying. Any input on riding methods, appropriate safety gear for kids, sizing the child up for the bike, etc. would be appreciated. Thanks, Vince Powers 97 KLR650 Mt. Union, PA ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:40:03 EDT From: BifferRyan@aol.com Subject: (klr650) antifreeze/coolant alternatives--NKLR Not to start a heated enviro-debate, but I'd like to find a propylene glycol-based coolant that is safe for the KLR engine--since ethylene glycol-based coolant/antifreeze spills are a leading cause of poisoning deaths in both domestic animals and wildlife (according to the U.S. Humane Society). Could anyone point me to specific brands? Thanks, Ryan--who never had these concerns on long mtn. bike tours but now traveling a bit farther on a KLR. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:47:26 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier I built mine to work with multiple sets of tie downs. I saw the foot peg setup at Daytona and would not trust that either. Mark McCoy Carmic7@aol.com wrote: > Yeah i"ve seen these racks up close and personal, after the guy lost the bike > in front of my house. They hold the bike down by pulling down on the footpegs > with two "j" hooks and these two must have seen alot of bumpy roads cause > they were sheered off, and the bike ended up upsidedown. > I used to like these racks but i'll wait until they perfect it > -neil > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:53:15 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier I don't think the tongue weights are a problem. Trailer tongue weights are supposed to be roughly 10%. The factory receiver on my Suburban said it could tow up to 9500 lbs using a hitch with torsion bars. I think it said about 6500 with just a ball. I was concerned about this when I had mine built but I decided there was plenty of margin. There are also no tension forces on the thing with the rack. It is just dead weight and even though it may stick out farther than a normal ball, I think I have plenty of capacity with 400 lbs hanging on it. That would be the equivalent of a 4000 lb trailer which is only about half of the rated capacity. I have not rolled the KLR up on it yet but when I designed it I had a friend measure his so I hope it fits. Mark McCoy Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Hink > To: Blake, Paul ; klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Blake, Paul > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:36 AM > >Subject: (klr650) Moto Carrier > > > > > >> Hello Everyone! > >> > >> On the way into work this morning, I saw an interesting means > of > >> transporting a motorcycle. I'm sure most of you are familiar > with the > >> bicycle carriers that slip into a trailer hitch receiver. > Well, this was > >a > >> similar set up, but built for a motorcycle. This particular > guy had a > >250cc > >> MXer on his. This is something I have never seen before, and > I think it > >is > >> a great idea. It's perfect for those that drive SUV's and > don't want to > >> haul a trailer. Does anyone out there know anything about > these? Are > >they > >> easy to load? What do they cost? Where can I get one? I > would love to > >> have one if it is easier to load than breaking my back getting > my A13 up a > >> ramp and into the bed of my truck!! :} Plus it would allow > more valuable > >> cargo space in the bed of the truck during long trips. > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul > >> Dallas, Tx > >> A13 > > > > > >Hey Paul, > > > >Check out: http://www.bdiracks.com/bdimx.html > > > >Fred Hink > > Hey Fred, Paul, > > I noticed on that website that the weight limit of this rack is > 400 lbs, and the dry weight of the KLR is 425. So its probably > what, 465 filled with gas and oil and coolant. I'd say that this > rules this rack out for use with the KLR650. I'd definitely ask > somebody at the company on this. The other consideration is that > I've seen class II and class III hitches with 2 inch receivers, > and I don't think that they can handle the weight either. > Actually, I don't remember the hitch weight limits on the > different hitch classes, so someone who knows feel free to > enlighten. > > Jeff > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:55:03 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Too Much Safety? Maybe patches that say "I wear this Mae West in protest" MMc Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: > >>Popular Science. It is a vest system that has a lanyard > attached to the > >>bike, and when you are thrown or move a certain distance from > the attach > >>point, the vest inflates. > >>It is currently only for sale in Japan. > > > >I think we should outlaw them before they become compulsory... > Darrel > > > I don't know, I think that it would be funny to see HD riders > wearing these and their little Nazi half helmets. They'd > probably try and find ways to stitch their club patches on and > make it look like leather. Might almost be worth the laugh. > > Jeff > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #503 ****************************