From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #518 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, June 18 1999 Volume 02 : Number 518 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:52:10 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKlr: engine vibration - -----Original Message----- From: Skip Faulkner To: KLR650 Page Date: June 18, 1999 12:35 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKlr: engine vibration >I myself refuse to accept the vibration, >IF there is a practical remedy . Many of us would like to learn more about this remedy Skip. Are the rubber mounts available commercially, or did you have to custom make them? Any chance of you posting a picture of the set-up somewhere? I was so impressed looking at the paint job you did on your bike I didn't think to look down at the engine to check the mounts. Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:06:54 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier Tom Myers wrote: > There's more to this than tongue weight capacity. You can't compare the > numbers directly because **tongue capacity** is not the same as **KLR > weight**. 400 lbs of KLR perched out on a platform 24 inches behind the > bumper far exceeds 400 lbs (of trailer tongue weight) six inches behind the > bumper. > > The two loading scenarios are vastly different. The 24/6 difference is > only the tip of the iceberg. Depending on the design of the hitch carrier, > there might be significant "roll issues" too as there is no torque passed > thru a trailer ball. There is when you use torsion bars and when they are used the rating for the hitch is higher. I would presume because the weight is transferred back to the frame instead of being leveraged out there on just the ball. MMc Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:20:48 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier As Steve points out, there are a lot of things that are a pain in the ass about trailers. I have one and I still built this hitch rack thingy. Plus, I always felt kind of silly driving this long 4x4 2500 Suburban towing this not small (converted two place Jet Ski) trailer with nothing on it but that little FZR400. I did, however, install trailer lights on it in case a bike would obscure the truck tail lights. I have a snapshot I could scan if anybody is interested. I probably also have a AutoCAD drawing files somewhere if anybody would want those. Mark Steve wrote: > What steered me away from a 'real' trailer is: > - Have to buy license plates > - They always get flats due to rubber rot or built in bad luck > - Lights! My truck is not wired for trailer lights > - Already had class IV/V hitch, just plug in and go > - No monstrosity dragging behind you to worry about > - Have to store trailer somewhere (too bulky) > > Steve - A12 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Vik Banerjee > > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 7:17 PM > > To: Tom Myers; klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier > > > > > > Maybe I am missing something, but considering the cost of new and used > > utility trailers (cheap) - why would this be an attractive product? After > > paying for my bike and maintaining it the last thing I'd want to > > do is hang > > it off the back of my truck when I could put it in the bed or on > > a trailer. > > A low utility trailer should be dead easy to load an unload. > > > > If there are other issues I am missing I'd love to hear them. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Myers > > To: klr650@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 5:17 PM > > Subject: Re: (klr650) Moto Carrier > > > > > > >There's more to this than tongue weight capacity. You can't compare the > > >numbers directly because **tongue capacity** is not the same as **KLR > > >weight**. 400 lbs of KLR perched out on a platform 24 inches behind the > > >bumper far exceeds 400 lbs (of trailer tongue weight) six inches > > behind the > > >bumper. > > > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?> ln=klr650 > > Subscribe to > > Dual Sport News...write to > > Editor@dualsport.org for info. > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:13:54 -0500 From: Rappster Subject: Re: (klr650) 16t sprocket Off-road More Sprocket Questions: All this sprocket changing........Do you use the same chain? Remove links or just take up the slack with the wheel? How quickly can you change sprockets and how much do you pay for the extra sprocket. Any particular supplier or type of sprocket favored here? Thanks for you insights here. Richard in Missouri > > > Arne, > I had my 15T with me, but decided to try the 16T off-road a little. If I > was going to be doing a couple of days or even one solid day of off-road, I > definitely would prefer the 14T. I was just > showing that just because someone has the 16T on his bike, it shouldn`t stop > him/her from doing a little light exploring. I didn`t experience any clutch > slippage and always had plenty of > torque ( surprised me) but keep in mind that I only weigh 153lbs > but I had a set of panniers and around 20lbs. of gear in them. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:35:00 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Reminder to list Just a gentle reminder to use NKLR in the subject of off-topic posts. Off-topic includes anything not directly and immediately related to KLR's. For example, moto carriers... Thanks so much... Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:47:04 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) 16t sprocket Off-road >All this sprocket changing........Do you use the same chain? Remove links or just >take up the slack with the wheel? How quickly can you change sprockets and how >much do you pay for the extra sprocket. Any particular supplier or type of >sprocket favored here? the CW is that it isn't the greatest idea to switch back and forth between sprockets for chain wear reasons. I've been doing it since the beginning on my A12 without a problem and am willing to pay for more advanced chain/sprocket wear for the flexibility it offers. It really changes the nature of the beast! The A10's on up require a big 27mm socket and one hell of a lot of torque to get the nut off plus someone standing on the rear brake and a cheater bar...or better an air wrench. The A9's and below are easier with a couple of small bolts.... The stock chain length (what is it 106 links?) works fine with a 14, 15, or 16. We even have one lister who runs a 13. No chain mods necessary. When I put my 16 on I have to take the axle completely out on the rear to get the extra movement for the rear tire to give me the slack I need to get the sprocket on the shaft..others have managed w/o this step. The most tedious part of the job is getting your chain adjusted correctly and the wheel properly aligned. Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:02:06 -0600 From: Jeff Hayden Subject: (klr650) Michelin Sirac tires page I have received favorable reports regarding these tires on wet roads, tight turns and in the dirt. I'm going to find some for my next set. http://www.michelin.com/us/eng/tire/moto/tires/sirac.htm - -- Jeff, NM, A13-only 2K miles http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj - Down Home Page http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj/hamstuff - HAM It UP Page http://www.biker.net/klark/ - My KLR Page Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:18:21 EDT From: Oilie@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Tengai VIN Could I get a couple of Tengai owners to tell me what the first 9 digits of their VIN numbers are? Jim Henry, Co-Honcho Republic Of Texas Biker Rally Travis County Expo Center in Austin 9-11 June 2000 oilie@aol.com 972-386-7619 vox/fax 972-866-8363 rally hotline info Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:37:48 -0400 From: Jimmy James Subject: (klr650) fuel shutoff my 2ea. cents.. my cousin's atv sat for a while with a piece of trash = or something in the float. gas drained into the jug through the carb = and an open valve. he went to crank it and locked the engine up against = the fuel. this caused the starter to crack its mount etc. etc.... had = to split the cases and weld the damage. this is probably a good place = to put an emergency bypass unless you like turning the fuel on and off a = lot. james in s.c. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:37:16 EDT From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #517 In a message dated 6/18/99 12:27:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > One less > complaint of the bike just makes it that much more desirable to others, and > that much more endearing to those of us that already own one. > Climbing off the soapbox. Before you climb down how about filling us in on your modifications? Gary Fresno A10 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:02:39 -0700 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) Rain Kurt, About the Side Stand safety switch part.....What comes to my mind first, especially after reading the other story about pulling in the 'clutch' and revving a couple times is....... Where(at what exact locale) has the Side Stand Switch(SSS) been disabled. Because, If the Clutch fulcrum switch is still in circuit, I would point to the highly exposed switch at the clutch fulcrum. Mine are both out of circuit now, and had some probs with them in the rain in Moab. Elsewise I'd lean to either of the Others. Tank Vent. Sealing ignition coil(+turning it around) and using a Spark Plug cap thats waterprooof. Watching......for the answer...... Toby Lampson Kurt Simpson wrote: > > >I first thought that the fuel vent was the culprit on my A12, but I have since > experienced the > >same problem with a tank bag in place. It get worse as more water lies on the road. > If I > >pull in the clutch and race the engine a couple of times it gets better for a mile or > so and > >then starts again. The front tire seems to be throwing it somewhere that it > shouldn't be. > >That's as far as my thinking takes me. (read mechanically challenged). > > > >Bill Wright > >Hotlanta, GA. > >98 KLR650 - "Special K" - 27k miles > > If I step back from this for a second I realize that plenty of listers have isolated > their problems to all 4 of the maladies mentioned. So, for those of us who want to get > at it...we have to go after all 4. Again, (not in any order of importance): 1) air > filter saturated with water; 2) side-stand safety switch shorting; 3) fuel tank vent > clogged; and 4) carb icing. I'd like to keep this thread going long enough to > resurrect or create solutions and put them on the web-site. In this post, I'll talk > about 2 and 3 to keep the length down > > Number 2: Side-stand safety switch: > > One is already done. The side-stand safety switch is a loser it is unreliable and > shorts out...it has got to go, either by disconnecting or completely eliminating it. > The directions are here http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page23.html. Note Gino's > admonitions to create safety labels and develop the habit of always "sweeping" your > left leg just as you start moving as a double-check that it is out of the way. > > Number 3: Fuel Tank Vent clogged: > > I think it was Pete Dahlheimer that did a lot of work on this. Here are some of his > posts: > > May 27, 1998 > > Was up about 3 hours from home in northeastern PA 'bout 40 miles from > the nearest bike shop when she started not wantin to idle. Acted like > she wasn't gettin enuf gas. Had to nail throttle all the way to start > her, and would NOT start with choke on. Turned up idle to keep from > stallin, which almost made me eat tree bark at one point around a turn. > Anyway, took carb off, bowl off, squirted alot of gumout (as well as > into the gas tank vent tube in the tank, which produced black stuff at > the bottom of the drain tube under the bike), put it all back together > and no further problems. > > May 29, 1998 > > This sounds identical to a problem I had this past weekend, which was > UNRELATED to any water exposure... My solution was to pull carb, pull > off bowl, gumout everything, replace it, and gumout the tank vent tube, > as well as disassembling, cleaning and reassembling the gas tank > lid/vent system. > > The latter, i.e. spraying gumout down the tank vent tube, produced nasty > black stuff out the bottom of the bike (the end of the vent tube) and I > suspect this was the kicker that fixed the problem. If this doesn't > work though, I'd try the rest of the stuff I mentioned as it worked for > me and the problem has not returned after about 300 miles since... > > _pete > 97KLR650 > > June 17, 1998 > > Regarding choking in the rain (previously covered, at least at one > point, concerning my bike): > > I have found that the bike does not choke in the rain anymore since I > squirted Gumout down the gas tank vent hole (which produced gobs of > black gobstuff out of the bottom of the bike)... > > _pete > 97KLR650 (now 21k mi) > > June 25, 1998 > > would someone please try spraying gumout down the gas tank vent tube to > cure their rain sputtering problem? i did it, got a bunch of gunk out > of the bottom of the vent tube under the bike, and haven't had a rain > runnin problem since. just wondering if that's what cured the problem, > as i suspect. > > please respond. > > _pete > 97KLR650 (21.5k miles) > > _________________________________________ > > >From what I can tell, the best solution to preventing the crud from getting there in > the first place is from Gary Bettes: > > June 28, 1998 > > Hi everyone! Been lurking with the digest version since day one. Lots of good > information here. > The question was asked about how much dirt enters thru unfiltered vent hoses. > Here are two possible solutions for this problem. Attach all such hoses to the > airbox or boot between the air filter and the carb with a tube, to draw only > filtered air. The other possibility is a product I found on my Toyota pickup. > The EFI smog system has hoses vented to atmosphere which have small filters. > These filters are about the size of a quarter, appearance is similar to an > inline fuel filter and contain a porus fiber filter. The filter can be removed > for cleaning. Don't know part numbers or such but will be happy to research if > There is any interest. > > Gary Bettes 96 KLR650 6800 miles > Glenda Bettes 96 KLR650 6000 miles > > Could some Toyota afficionado track this down for us and do an install and report > back? We'll put in on the web when we get it worked out. > > Kurt > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #518 ****************************