From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #651 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, July 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 651 (klr650) Ammo boxes for saddlebags Re: (klr650) Re: cruise thru traffic (was running hot) Re: (klr650) Re: cruise thru traffic (was running hot) Re: (klr650) KLR lowering links Re: (klr650) suspension convention Re: (klr650) KLR lowering links Re: (klr650) Aftermarket Sprocket Status Q Re: (klr650) BMW GS1150 (NKLR) Re: (klr650) re: I will NOT live my life under a rock! Re: (klr650) Fwd: Pls Help! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:33:15 -0500 From: "James Leach" Subject: (klr650) Ammo boxes for saddlebags I'm getting ready to buy a Y2K KLR650 and I remember someone mentioning using ammo boxes as saddlebags. I went to my local army surplus store and found a pair of 20mm M61 ammo boxes that seem about the right size, unfortunately both of the ones they had were a little dented, rusted and ugly. I heard rumors of a plastic 20mm ammo box, can anyone point me in the right direction as far as finding some? The metal boxes sure seem sturdy but they are a bit heavy. Thanks, James To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:26:57 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: cruise thru traffic (was running hot) > >Things are only illegal when you get caught doing them. Now there's a sociopathic attitude for you! Where do morals come into play? Jeff To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:18:11 -0700 From: "Steven Timm" Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: cruise thru traffic (was running hot) sometimes the stuff on this site are pure crap! - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Ted Palmer ; klr650 Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 11:19 Subject: Re: (klr650) Re: cruise thru traffic (was running hot) >> >>Things are only illegal when you get caught doing them. > >Now there's a sociopathic attitude for you! Where do morals come >into play? > >Jeff > > >To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. >In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe >klr650-digest). To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:45:12 -0500 From: "wmg" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR lowering links Dennis; Lwr links are 5 1/2" ctr to ctr. Also measured stock and was surprised to note that they are 5 1/16" ctr to ctr, yet the 5 1/2" links lower the bike about an inch and a half. I think your idea about adjustable links is a great idea and I think it would work. I guess the ultimate would be adjustable links and (someone has already done it): adjustable kick stand. I've got everything I need to do it myself except for time, money, materials, tools, and the know how; other than that I'm all set. You ought to make them and sell them, but first give me a free set for giving you the encouragement to do so. :-> By the way, MCY ACCY WAREHOUSE on line says my pipe, PS springs, Dyno Jet kit and K&N filter has been shipped. I expect delivery around tuesday. Next weekend you won't be the only one around with a UAV. Also, did you find out anymore about a 600 tank fitting on a 650? I haven't had much luck. Bill Magill A13 RZ350 69 FLH 71 BEEMER 500 - -----Original Message----- From: FFDennis@aol.com To: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:41 AM Subject: (klr650) KLR lowering links >Fellow listers, > >Two things in regard to lowering links. First off, can anyone give me the >hole to hole distance (either edge to edge, or center to center) for the >lowering links that are available? > >As these links adjust ride height, without affecting suspension travel, has >anyone with these had any problems with excessive bottoming out since >installing them? (ie, wheel hits fender before suspension reaches it's >limits). > >Also, has anyone ever attempted an adjustable version of these? It seems to >me that if the links were threaded rod ends, with a threaded rod between >them, you could adjust ride height quite easily. This would be similar to >many hot rod front suspension pieces, so I know the parts must be available >in the required strength. > >Inquiring minds, with access to machine tools, want to know! > >Ort > >To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. >In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe >klr650-digest). > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:54:26 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) suspension convention >hellow people. i need some advice from a suspension knowladgable >person. > >the other day i installed a new progressive rear shock on the klr. >after riding around with it i felt it was a little on the harsh side. i >tried lowering the spring preload to almost the min thinking that this >would soften up the spring. but then i thought about that and it seems >to me that changin the preload simply changes the amount of sag the >suspension has...it will still compress the spring the same amout >regardless of prelaod. in other owrds, as long as there is atleast some >sag in the suspension, the spring will be compressed the same amount >when your sitting on the bike, no matter what the preload, it just may >be higher or lower. is this correct? and lowering the preload wont >give a softer ride? > To be relatively simple about it, consider Hooke's law concerning springs: Force = k (your spring constant, a property of the spring, the higher the constant, the stiffer the spring) times the distance the spring is compressed or stretched from its rest position. What this means is that if you make a graph of force on one axis, and distance on the other, you will see a line, and the angle or slope of that line is dependent on the spring constant. Do if you increase the pre-load, you haven't changed the slope of that line, only your starting point along that line. So for example, lets say that with minimum pre-load, and 200 lbs applied due to the weight of the bike, the bike sags and compresses the spring one inch, and maximum compression of say 6 inches of the spring takes 1200 lbs. (Spring constant of 200 lbs/inch). Now if we increase the pre-load, 200 lbs results in a sag of say .25 inch, what this means is that we already compressed the spring .75 inches with the pre-load adjustment, and at maximum suspension travel, the spring is compressed 6.75 inches, resulting in 1350 lbs required to compress it that far. So you see that spring preload only moves you down the linear relation line. Now if you say that your shock is harsh, I would look to your dampening adjustment. You dampening serves to slow the rate of compression and expansion of the shock, just like the thing attached to your screen door that keeps it from slamming shut. Hope this helps. Jeff To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:53:33 -0500 From: "wmg" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR lowering links Dennis; One more thing. I forgot to answer your question about excessive bottoming out. If you do mostly dirt, yes. But since you said before you are mostly street, I don't think you'll have a problem. One thing that might help is raising the license plate. Search the archives and their is an article on it. Basically, all you do is remove the rear reflector and using the plate bracket as a template, drill a couple of holes where the reflector was, mount the bracket, put the plate back on, then go for a ride. Total cost: nil. Time: about 5 minutes. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: FFDennis@aol.com To: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:41 AM Subject: (klr650) KLR lowering links >Fellow listers, > >Two things in regard to lowering links. First off, can anyone give me the >hole to hole distance (either edge to edge, or center to center) for the >lowering links that are available? > >As these links adjust ride height, without affecting suspension travel, has >anyone with these had any problems with excessive bottoming out since >installing them? (ie, wheel hits fender before suspension reaches it's >limits). > >Also, has anyone ever attempted an adjustable version of these? It seems to >me that if the links were threaded rod ends, with a threaded rod between >them, you could adjust ride height quite easily. This would be similar to >many hot rod front suspension pieces, so I know the parts must be available >in the required strength. > >Inquiring minds, with access to machine tools, want to know! > >Ort > >To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. >In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe >klr650-digest). > To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:55:21 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Aftermarket Sprocket Status Q >one answered.....How many of you guys are using the 16 tooth font sprockets >and could you give me a RPM difference please.....Also what pipes are you >guys using?.....I ordered a Cobra ISDE....could'nt pass up the >price....anyone got jetting instructions for the Cobra..... > >Kevin KLR A14 Here is some data for you (thanks to former lister Pat Hensley's excellent GearCalc Program). It is based on an actual tire circumference measurement and refers to "real" mph not KLR speedo mph: _____________________ Stock: 15X43 (measured tire circumference 76.5 inches): 4200 RPM computes to 59.9 MPH 80 MPH computes to 5696 RPM ___________________________ My 16 X 43 setup (same circumference 76.5 inches): 4200 RPM computes to 62.9 80 MPH computes to 5340 Kurt To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:59:52 -0400 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) BMW GS1150 (NKLR) At 12:05 AM 7/24/99 -0400, K650dsn@aol.com wrote: >Maybe it's just me, but does any one else feel that BMW just doesn't get it. >After 5 years of broken engine cases, you'd think they would come to ther >sense and put a frame on the new GS, but no, they hook the swing arm to foot >peg brackets instead! I'd buy the GS if it wasn't for that. The Germans are underestimating the market impact of this, I think. I don't get why they won't sell their "Adventure Kit" in the U.S. like they do in Australia. I saw a Touratech retro kit on a GS a couple of months ago... Stuart To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:19:47 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) re: I will NOT live my life under a rock! >Nobody lives forever. I'm all about quality of life. I know that I'll have a big smile on my >face when I depart this earth cause I'm enjoying every minute of it. Everytime I ride my >KLR650, at some point during every ride I just cannot help but screem YEEEEEEEEEEEE >HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! or YAAAAAAAAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! >It just comes out, can't help it. Life is good. Ride safely. > Lord help me if I live to be an old gummer! These old folks are totally a burden on society! I was arguing the other day with a guy who was against the high cost of maintaining the military, and thought that bombing Kosovo was just to justify their expense. I just had to point out that the great majority of the federal budget goes to paying Social security benefits and Medicare! No matter what you hear about old folks living on a fixed budget, realize that on the whole, old folks have the lowest poverty rate in the country. Do you know why? Because they have nothing better to do than VOTE! I say we need euthanasia days at the hospitals, just like in "Deathrace 2000". I figure that I don't live my life in fear of death, yet I'm cautious, because I'm smart and have common sense. If I live to age 65, I'm going to build/buy a sail boat and leave, like Capt. Joshua Slocomb, "Sailing Alone Around the World". Jeff To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:00:44 -0700 From: Tom Myers Subject: Re: (klr650) Fwd: Pls Help! That sounds like a classic intake vacuum leak. I'd check all the gaskets/O-rings/and airboot connections between the carburetor and cylinderhead. Good luck. I hope it's that simple! Tom ======== >In a message dated 7/23/99 8:49:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >MHagadorn@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Hello, > I have really enjoyed your web page info, and I could use a bit of help > on my KLX650C1. It has a tendancy to hang up at 3000RPM when I'm > decelerating. If I lug it down to about 2000 with the clutch, it will > idle down to 1300 and stay. Any experience with this problem? > thanks, > Mike > MHagadorn@yahoo.com >> > > >Anyone want to help this KLX rider out. > >Gino > >Return-Path: >Received: from aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by > air-yd01.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:49:46 > 2000 >Received: from firewall8.cummins.com (firewall8.cummins.com [205.230.25.51]) > by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:49:36 > -0400 >Received: by firewall8.cummins.com; id JAA05861; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:49:35 > -0500 (EST) >Received: from unknown(143.222.15.39) by firewall8.cummins.com via smap (4.1) > id xma005827; Fri, 23 Jul 99 09:49:33 -0500 >Received: from JEPSV9.JEP.CUMMINS.COM > ("port 2930"@jepsv9.jep.cummins.com [143.222.193.9]) > by mail.Cummins.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #37729) > with SMTP id <0FFB00F33VUJ5S@mail.Cummins.com> for k650dsn@aol.com; Fri, > 23 Jul 1999 09:49:32 -0500 (EST) >Received: from jepxw00235 by JEPSV9.JEP.CUMMINS.COM > (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/26Jul97-1217PM) id AA28733; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 >10:49:31 -0400 >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:49:03 -0400 >From: Mike Hagadorn >Subject: Pls Help! >To: k650dsn@aol.com >Message-id: <379880DF.5AEBC920@yahoo.com> >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >Hello, >I have really enjoyed your web page info, and I could use a bit of help >on my KLX650C1. It has a tendancy to hang up at 3000RPM when I'm >decelerating. If I lug it down to about 2000 with the clutch, it will >idle down to 1300 and stay. Any experience with this problem? >thanks, >Mike >MHagadorn@yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products | 701 34th Ave | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | | Design/Manufacture of Motorcycling Accessories | webpage: http://www.cycoactive.com/mc | e-mail: moto@cycoactive.com | tel (206) 323-2349 fax (206) 325-6016 +-------------------------------------------+ To subscribe/unsubscribe send message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com leave subject blank. In the body of the message type: subscribe/unsubscribe klr650 (or subscribe/unsubscribe klr650-digest). ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #651 ****************************