From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #671 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 671 Re: (klr650) stability (klr650) chain replacement Re: (klr650) chain replacement (klr650) wheel bearing p/n Re: (klr650) chain replacement (klr650) KLR rollover continued Re: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n (klr650) NKLR: UK Insurance (mine went up by 80 quid!?!?!?) Fw: (klr650) Synthetic Oil Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil Re: (klr650) chain replacement [none] (klr650) NKLR..UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:46:11 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) stability - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan shaw To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 6:24 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) stability > > id like to thank everyone for the stability advice . im going to up the > pressure to 30-32 psi and see if that helps.. > > one more question though, would the position of the front forks make > this wobble any better or worse. would raising them in the tubes be get > rid of a wobble, or make it worse. id like to know which way to go > before i move them. > > thanks everyone! > > dan Hi Dan, Lets be clear what we are talking about here. The forks and the tubes are the same thing. The triple clamps are what hold the tubes to the bike. Changing the tubes or forks in relation to the triple clamps is what effects the handling of your bike. Some people think that raising the forks means to raise the front end of their bikes when they actually mean to lower the forks in the triple clamp to raise the bike. Anytime you change your steering geometry you effect the way your bike handles. Raising the forks in the triple clamp (lowering the front end) makes your bike steer quicker and will make your bike wobble more at high speeds. This would be better for street riding at slow speeds but not good out on the highway. If you were to lower your forks in the triple clamps, you rake out the front end to make it turn slower (think of the chopper in Easy Rider) and this will help stability at higher speeds but makes it wash out the front wheel at slower speeds. It is all a trade off. Getting the right balance of quick steering and having your front wheel stick to the road for all conditions is a hard thing to come by. Hope this helps. Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dan shaw Subject: (klr650) chain replacement ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks. dan _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:28:25 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement - ----- Original Message ----- From: dan shaw To: KLR650 Mailing list Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:39 AM Subject: (klr650) chain replacement > > ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i > measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and > replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do > most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to > replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks. > > dan Dan, Depending on how long your trip is I would say that your chain is getting close to the end of it's life. I have heard of chains lasting longer and I have heard of chains lasting less than this. To be safe if I were taking a long trip (2K/3K) I think I would replace it now before it gives you trouble in the middle of your trip. AKA Bogdan ;<) Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dan shaw Subject: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n hey, does anyone know the part numbers for the front and rear wheel bearing numbers? thanks dan _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:46:06 -0400 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement At 08:28 AM 7/30/1999 -0600, Fred Hink wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: dan shaw >To: KLR650 Mailing list >Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:39 AM >Subject: (klr650) chain replacement > > >> >> ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i >> measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and >> replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do >> most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to >> replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks. >> >> dan > >Dan, > >Depending on how long your trip is I would say that your chain is getting >close to the end of it's life. I have heard of chains lasting longer and I >have heard of chains lasting less than this. To be safe if I were taking a >long trip (2K/3K) I think I would replace it now before it gives you trouble >in the middle of your trip. AKA Bogdan ;<) > >Fred Like my DID X-Ring w/ 13,000 miles on it did on my trip. I didnt want to spend the money before the trip. As it was, it almost didnt get me home and I had to buy a Scott Oiler to keep the chain alive just a bit longer. :) - -Tom is now a Scott Oiler convert '96 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:05:11 EDT From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) KLR rollover continued My first crash on my KLR in Oct. 1996 occurred while stopped. My wife and I were on vacation going up the northern California coast. We had stopped in Eureka for dinner and deceided to ride on to Crescent City to stop for the night. This stretch of 90 miles looks like good road on the map but looks can be decieving. We also forgot to allow for the time of year. After riding all day, starting that morning at 7:00am, we were about 25 miles south of Crescent city at 9:30 that night. The road would have been ok except the ocean fog came in and reduced visibility severely. This was my wife's first long trip on her KLR. Our speed was reduced to 25-30 mph and the fog was dripping off of everything, like riding in a slow rain. My wife was continuing by following my tail light. I had needed to clear my visor for some time when I found a nice wide paved shoulder. I eased over to the side and stopped. So far so good. I leaned the bike slightly to the right to get the kickstand down. This is when I found out that the road was covered with wet debris from the surrounding redwoods. My right foot had no grip and slid out letting the bike with me still aboard do the roll off the the right. I managed to keep my foot out from under the bike but managed to snag the spring on the kickstand on my way off. I wound up 20 feet down the embankment in the middle of a redwood forest in the fog in almost total darkness. My wife had pulled over behind me but was still back about 40 feet when she saw my tail light roll off to the right. She luckily deceided to stop where she was, and avoided the debris which caused my gymnastics. After she got stopped and off of the bike we were able right my bike and discovered the missing spring along with a couple of cracked ribs. We searched the roadside for 20 minutes for the spring using only a minimag flashlight. I had finally deceided to bungee the kickstand in place when the spring was found by my wife about 10 feet behind her bike. She just happened to see a glint in the bushes when she was returning to her bike. After reinstalling the spring and cleaning my visor, we were just starting the bikes when a good samaritan stopped to see if we needed help. The whole stop took almost an hour. In retrospect we should have stopped for the night in Eureka. This almost certainly would not have happened had I not been extremely tired which impared my judgement. These are the things memories are made of! Gary A10 Fresno Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:13:49 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: Re: (klr650) wheel bearing p/n >does anyone know the part numbers for the front and rear wheel bearing >numbers? thanks > >dan Hey: The industry numbers for the rear wheel bearings are: 6003 6004 6204 You can buy the same bearing in several configurations. Open, shielded, or sealed. Be sure to buy one that looks like the one in your bike (assuming it's the original bearing). I'm reasonably sure that these numbers are correct. You can buy these at any industrial bearing supply house. I don't know the numbers for the front. Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:25:36 +0100 (BST) From: Yusseri Yusoff Subject: (klr650) NKLR: UK Insurance (mine went up by 80 quid!?!?!?) Just a rant. My insurance for the KLR is due for renewal next month and I got a letter from the company. It's up by 80 quid. Left me scratching my head there for awhile. I've got 2 years no claims, not dropped the bike, never had it nicked, so what the...? Other UK listers out there, got any idea why this is? Yus - -- Yusseri Yusoff / y.yusoff@ee.surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/showstaff?Yusoff Centre for Vision, Speech and Signal Processing University of Surrey Guildford GU2 5XH Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:43:51 -0700 From: "Dave Zuber" Subject: Fw: (klr650) Synthetic Oil When STP first came out, we put it in some honda twins and the clutch became an automatic clutch. It slipped more when the lever was in, and slipped a lot when out. Are you running the synthetic Diesel oil? Most diesel formulations can absorb a great amount of carbon blowby, great for old tired KLR's. >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Bonenfant >To: Dave Zuber >Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 8:19 AM >Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil > > >>You can't believe what ? Is adding STP a problem ? So far 400 km and >everything is >>working great (every shift is at 7000 rpm and 0 slippage) - what was the >note >>intended for... have you had first hand experience, you oviously made this >mistake >>previously ? >> >>Dave Zuber wrote: >> >>> I can't beleve you are serious. >>> >>> ( A note to other listers: watch for the follow up postings "KLR Clutch >>> Slipping" or "My Cold Engine Cranks Slowly") >> >> > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:45:38 -0700 From: "Dave Zuber" Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil Diesel oil is ok,,, it's the STP additive that usually makes the clutch slip..And greatly thickens up the viscosity. - -----Original Message----- From: Arne Larsen To: Dave Zuber ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 2:01 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil >RE: Brian and Arne running diesel oil: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dave Zuber > >> I can't beleve you are serious. >> >> ( A note to other listers: watch for the follow up postings "KLR Clutch >> Slipping" or "My Cold Engine Cranks Slowly") >_____________ > >Why would the clutch slip? Why would the engine crank slowly? 10-50W >diesel oil is just that; an oil with a viscosity rating of 10-50. It's not >90W gear oil. > >Diesel oil is designed to operate under extreme conditions, with >anti-viscosity break-down, and anti-foaming properties that exceed the other >oils on the market. > >Others on this list have also used it with great success. > >Kurt, you still running it? > >Arne > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:45:42 -0400 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement At 06:39 AM 7/30/99 -0700, dan shaw wrote: >... should i go ahead and replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? I would. I got 12,600 miles out of my Did-X chain and front/rear sprockets before changing out the whole set. That included 3,000 miles of dirt and gravel riding, so even though the chain wasn't stretched beyond spec, it sure got kinky from the chain wax, and the sprockets looked real pointy. I don't like to mix new chain and old sprockets. Stuart Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:46:42 -0700 From: wmabb@tscnet.com Subject: [none] oop's thanks Curt New to the list(bike) with a 92 klr650 w/cobra ISDE, airbox mod, dynojet, 11k, runs great. #1. My starter selonoid is getting intermittent, any one else have this problem? Is there a better/cheaper alternative or should I bite the $40 bullet? #2. My buds 85 klr 600 overheats at the gauge but the fan doesn't kick in until it gets real hot. This happened after a coolant change and all factory manual tests of senders, guage, fan switch show OK. We suspect steam caught in the system. Is there a trick to purging the air out? #3. Does anyone know of a low mount fender for the front of the 650 #4. Is the valve cover gasket reusable? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:53:43 +0100 From: drainr@TBEUK.COM Subject: (klr650) NKLR..UK Message is sent with MIME. 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