From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #673 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 673 Re: Fw: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil Re: (klr650) chain replacement (klr650) Corbin knows us... Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) Re: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak (klr650) Re: Starter Solenoid Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak Re: (klr650) Oil Pressure (klr650) Bongs and economics NKLR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:23:57 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: Fw: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) >Arne---absolutely correct. Oils like the Mobil Delvac 1300 15-40 that I use >meet all requirements for high peformance gasoline engines plus have the >added anti-wear additives to stand up to the higher presures in diesels, this >has always seemed a good thing to me. I've used them in bikes for years with >good results. I also like the price, Delvac is $5.49 a gallon at my local >auto parts store. >Kurt Grife >Avila Beach, Ca speaking of "good shit" I've got my gallon jug of Valvoline Premium Blue (specially designed for Cummins)...and there is absolutely, positvely no SJ doughnut on it. Only CG-4/SH....yeaahhh..... On another note, Kurt, I just read the Rider article on the Tiger that you were co-testing and with your Rider connections can you give me a bottom-line on motorcycle lifts for the KLR? The buying guide was in that same issue and I know your bike was used on the Uplift model. Do you have a sense of what lift would be a good solid choice? Thanks, Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:30:02 +0100 From: andyg@lucent.com Subject: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil I've read a lot in the archives about the importance of valve checks at the 500 mile service. However, my 99 UK KLR's service schedule does not have a valve check scheduled until 7,500 miles! Anyone know why this is? I thought the UK and US engines were the same? Have Kawasaki changed the recommendation recently in the US at all? And sorry to bring this up again, but searching for "oil" in the archives brings up 650 matches. Is there a "best" or at least "liked by the majority" oil to use in the KLR at the first service? Is it OK to simply use _any_ bike oil of the correct viscocity (as listed in the owner's guide)? Thanks, Andy Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:31:36 PDT From: "Conall O'Brien" Subject: Re: (klr650) chain replacement Dan- Having a worn chain and sprockets while on a trip is one of the biggest bummers around. I've found that a good chain will require very little adjustment during it's usuable life, then BAM it gets worn out real quick all of a sudden. I use the lower cost DID 520V Vector O-ring rather than the Xchain prefered by everyone else. about $65. Life expectancy is about the same for both.(?) If your trip is more than 500 miles , I'd change them along with the sprockets. Conall >From: dan shaw >Reply-To: dan shaw >To: KLR650 Mailing list >Subject: (klr650) chain replacement >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT) > > >ive got about 11 k miles on my bike with original chain and sprocket. i >measured the stretch and its still within specs. should i go ahead and >replace it anyway to be on the safe side before a long bike trip? i do >most of my riding on road and i dont hammer it too much. i dont want to >replace the chain if its not nessesary. thanks. > >dan >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for >info. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:29:18 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Corbin knows us... I just had my yearly check-in with Raul and it appears all is very well. Raul, is glad to continue to be the KLR and now DR contact for the two lists and for the modified without the dip seats. He said that he has been amazed at the response since we made the contact with him. He said that on KLR's no one orders the standard seat anymore. I asked him about lister Dean Harrison's miscue. Dean ordered a modified and received a standard. Raul said he talked to Dean earlier this week and acknowledged that Dean had ordered correctly and the factory had made the mixup...they're doing an exchange at no charge to Dean. We've come a long way on this one. No for the DR's. He said he can do the same treatment for the DR. So, I ordered one from him. The price has gone up a bit...$296 in leather delivered. If you want a modified Corbin without the dip for a KLR or DR contact Raul directly at Corbin. 1-800-538-7035. Standard disclaimer. Kurt Simpson Salt Lake City Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:42:09 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) > >out there. It's good shit. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Arne > > > ummm, seems like the last time I heard that term...it had do with something quite different than > oil....this is, of course, a very ancient memory.... > From now on, I'm calling you Kurt "Cheech" Simpson! Reminds me of a sociology teacher I had in high school. He was an old hipster, talked kind of like Ausin Powers, minus the brit accent. One day a stoner walked into class baked, and the teacher says something like "Ahh, the sweat smell of success!" So I asked him if he ever did bong hits. His reply was "Hey, I went to college baby!" Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:39:53 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) >>From now on, I'm calling you Kurt "Cheech" Simpson! Reminds me >of a sociology teacher I had in high school. He was an old >hipster, talked kind of like Ausin Powers, minus the brit accent. >One day a stoner walked into class baked, and the teacher says >something like "Ahh, the sweat smell of success!" So I asked him >if he ever did bong hits. His reply was "Hey, I went to college >baby!" I resemble that remark....my class of Sociology seniors...gave me a present which I still have...it was a purple bong...of course, this was a long long time ago and it has remained largely (g) unused...they were always trying to get me to tell them about Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and basically turn me into Elvis Beatle...while, I was trying to turn them on to Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, C. G. Jung, and Karl Marx....it was a simpler time... Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:49:38 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) > > > > > > 1200 kilometers so far. What kind of negative effects were you thinking > of? > > > > Arne > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Welll...I mean...diesil oil is meant for diesel's, > > motor oil is for motors... > > > A diesel motor "IS" a motor. > > > > There must be some difference, otherwise they would > > not call them diesel or motor oil. > > > The difference is that regular motor oil is not good enough for diesels as > they run at higher temps under more extreme conditions - much like I ride my > bike =^) Next time you're at the store, take a look on the back of a > can/jug of diesel oil. It meets every sj; sg; agp; 123; yyz classification > out there. It's good shit. > Very economic too. Diesels don't get tons of oil changes like cars do, and not as many people own diesels, so the diesel oil isn't in as high of demand, and thus priced lower. I highly recommend Valvoline Premium Blue Diesel, it's GREAT shit! At the cost of a gallon of this stuff, compared to the synth stuff, you can't go wrong, since you can afford to change your oil three times as much. My personal opinion is that modern motor oils don't suffer as much viscosity breakdown as it used to, and that is the main advantage that synths have had, they last longer. But mineral oil or synthetic, both oils are picking up contaminants from your motor as it runs, and the main goal of changing your oil is to keep the motor clean inside. So what matter if the synth can physically run twice as long, it will be twice as dirty. So buy the cheaper diesel oil and change more often for engine longevity. Actually, my bike burns a lot of oil, and so there's another good reason for me to get the less expensive diesel oil. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:45:19 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil - -----Original Message----- From: andyg@lucent.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 3:31 PM Subject: (klr650) Early Valve Check, and Oil >I've read a lot in the archives about the importance >of valve checks at the 500 mile service. However, >my 99 UK KLR's service schedule does not have a >valve check scheduled until 7,500 miles! Anyone >know why this is? I thought the UK and US >engines were the same? Have Kawasaki changed >the recommendation recently in the US at all? veerrrry innnnteeresstinnggg...I'd check it anyway... >And sorry to bring this up again, but searching >for "oil" in the archives brings up 650 matches is that all!? The CW seems to be don't use a synthetic until the first 2,500 miles...no one seems to have a problem with motorcycle specific oils except the cost. So if you don't want to be bothered just pour in your favorite brand...Redline, Motul, Golden Spectro or whatever. The rest of us idiots are trying to beat the system. We think we're on to something with buying a gallon jug premium diesel oil like Rotella (Shell), Delvac (Mobil) or my favorite, Valvoline Premium Blue. The futher CW is do not use automobile oils with the SJ rating. Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:55:02 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak > >Well, replace the crush washer on your oil drain plug. Wipe up > >all the excess oil on your case. Make the budget swing arm > >stands that are on the DSN website, here: > >http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page26.html Take the cover off > >from over your countershaft sprocket. Prop your bike up and > >start it. Put it in gear and see if you can see leakage coming > >from around the countershaft seal. > > I'd be very careful and have somebody to help you when you do this. The > budget swing arm stand was not meant to support a running KLR in gear. If > the bike came off the stand it could be expensive when it runs into your > Lexus or hits one of your children - not to mention the damage to your KLR. > Point taken, HOWEVER, I do it every week or so, whenever I lube my chain, and have done so since I made my stands last year, and never even came close to an accident. They really are very stabile when made properly. I have even climbed on my bike when up on the stands to test them. While I was able to rock the bike off, it took some effort. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:48:00 PDT From: "Conall O'Brien" Subject: (klr650) Re: Starter Solenoid >From: wmabb@tscnet.com >Reply-To: wmabb@tscnet.com >To: klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:46:42 -0700 > >oop's thanks Curt > > >New to the list(bike) with a 92 klr650 w/cobra ISDE, airbox mod, dynojet, >11k, runs great. #1. My starter selonoid is getting intermittent, any one >else have this problem? Is there a better/cheaper alternative or should I >bite the $40 bullet? #2. A Couple of possibilities- What makes you think that you're solenoid is intermittent? Does the bike turn over a second or two and then you hear clicking? Bad battery. (happened to me) Does it not turn over at all some days and then start right up the next day? Defective safety lockout switch. (will happen sooner or later). Conall- Charger on new battery now down to 2 amps. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:47:12 -0600 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) (KLR650) Oil leak >Point taken, HOWEVER, I do it every week or so, whenever I lube >my chain, and have done so since I made my stands last year, and >never even came close to an accident. They really are very >stabile when made properly. I have even climbed on my bike when >up on the stands to test them. While I was able to rock the bike >off, it took some effort. > >Jeff I have never fallen off my bike while riding on the road yet I still wear leathers and gloves, etc... The fact an accident hasn't happened wouldn't be my test to see if something is safe, but hey everybody has to determine what risk is acceptable to them. Cheers, Vik Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:08:51 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil Pressure > I would like to install an oil pressure gauge on my KLR. Could anyone in the > collective offer any wisdom on this? > Mechanical gauge or electrical? An electrical gauge has a pretty sizable sending unit, about the size of an 8 oz can of tomato sauce, and you would need to find a place to tap a hole for it to screw into. A mechanical gauge might be a better bet, and maybe you could but a junction on the metal oil supply pipe to the valves that runs on the outside of the motor. Problems with mechanical gauges are that they don't respond to changes in pressure as quickly as electrical gauges, and the oil from the motor is actually in the line that runs to the gauge, a potential leak problem. I'm wondering why you feel the need for such a gauge? Oil pressure is the least of my worries on my bike, since the oil pump is geared directly to the crankshaft, and I have never heard of one failing. The manual does show a mechanical gauge being attached to the end of the oil passage plug (that passage that comes down from the oil filter cavity) to check the oil pressure at the shop. The only gauges that I am really glad to have on this bike are already on it, the tach and the water temperature gauge. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:28:11 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: (klr650) Bongs and economics NKLR > > I resemble that remark....my class of Sociology seniors...gave me a present which I still have...it > was a purple bong...of course, this was a long long time ago and it has remained largely (g) > unused...they were always trying to get me to tell them about Woodstock and Jimi Hendrix and basically > turn me into Elvis Beatle...while, I was trying to turn them on to Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, Sigmund > Freud, C. G. Jung, and Karl Marx....it was a simpler time... > Adam Smith? I should think that John Maynard Keynes would be more appropriate. As for Karl Marx, well, you know how I feel about those commie bastards. Look at the modern equivalent to Marks in the form of European Socialism, and see what it brought us, the Peugot. I loved that way that car drove, but you practically needed a government agency to work on it for you, since it was engineered so stupidly. It actually requires a special tool to change the oil! As for bongs, I've seen everything from giant room sized hookahs to home made electric blowers. Ask me about the gravity bong offlist. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #673 ****************************