From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #677 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, July 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 677 Re: (klr650) Fw: International Driver's License:NKLR Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... (klr650) klr650 Rider magazine web reference Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) (klr650) diesel oil (klr650) RE:Deja-Vue NKLR (klr650) Re:Diesel Oil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:33:57 -0400 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: International Driver's License:NKLR At 10:11 AM 7/31/99 -0700, Darrel & Deanna wrote: >Someone on the list was inquiring about >international driver's licenses. Thought I'd >forward this. They can go to AAA for one. They don't do a lot, though. I've rented cars in over a dozen countries and nobody needed to see an international license. Stuart Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:37:01 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... How about a Bandit 1200? Cheap, fun, fast and can ride two up all day, but when the passenger is off you don't look so "suburban" if ya know what I mean. Hey Arne seen any good deals on Bandit 1200's lately - I think you were looking? Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Heaslet To: Kurt Simpson ; KLR650 Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:35 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... >At 10:11 AM 7/31/99 -0600, Kurt Simpson wrote: >>OK I'm stuck again, if I absolutely have to have improved two-up >riding...what are the bikes of >>choice. Please no couches need apply? Tiger? Concours? ST1100....I go >through this once every 6 >>months...I'll get through it... > >I'm struggling with the same thing, and will be looking more closely at the >Concours (does it buzz still, and does it still get hot behind the >fairing?). The ST1100 seems heavier than most, and if I uh, accidentally >found myself on a dirt road with a lighter-weight Concours it couldn't be >too bad, could it? And then there's the price. Being an aftermarket >junkie is a factor. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:32:02 -0700 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... Kurt Simpson wrote: > > OK I'm stuck again, if I absolutely have to have improved two-up riding...what are the bikes of > choice. Please no couches need apply? Tiger? Concours? ST1100....I go through this once every 6 > months...I'll get through it... > > Kurt ....whaaaa, no Big'un(silenced), Russell(flying seat), and Panama red? g-Slide Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:30:02 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Simpson > OK I'm stuck again, if I absolutely have to have improved two-up riding...what are the bikes of > choice. Please no couches need apply? Tiger? Concours? ST1100....I go through this once every 6 > months...I'll get through it... > > Kurt ________________ While I like the "insectiside" look of the Tiger, and I'm sure it would be a good two-up bike, if I were doing this riding on the road, I'd go with the Connie for a couple reasons: - - Good availability new or used - - Cheap like borcsht (or KLR's) - - Can do all that the expensive ST1100 can do (at borcsht prices) - - The tiger is also quite expensive. If I were planning on dual-sporting two-up, I'd then go with the Tiger. FWIW Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:38:58 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vik Banerjee . > > Hey Arne seen any good deals on Bandit 1200's lately - I think you were > looking? > > Cheers, > > Vik _________________ No. But if your hear of one let me know. Thanks. Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:22:09 EDT From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... In a message dated 7/31/99 11:50:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time, marbach@nucleus.com writes: << How about a Bandit 1200? Cheap, fun, fast and can ride two up all day, but when the passenger is off you don't look so "suburban" if ya know what I mean. >> Yep, there's a good choice also. Get a used one that is piped and hetted already. Nothing quite like a big, stonkin, inline, transverse(none of that lay down junk) four. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:47:10 -0700 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: (klr650) klr650 Rider magazine web reference Note: Rider has listed the DSN site in their latest bike rag at their www listings near the begining. Jeff A2 AMA Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:54:37 -0400 From: "Steamroller" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) It's a very interesting idea, diesel oils. This is the first I've heard of it. I have access to Rotella and Delvac oils, and if it's compatible and safe, I'll try it. Up to now I've been using Castrol 20w50. Weird, but around here it's a bit difficult to find at times. We have Delvac by the drum, and can get Rotella the same way. Would anyone suggest deisel rated oils for a Concours and a Vulcan 750 as well? How about a Honda XR80? Jeez, I'll use in the lawn mower! Thanks, NY Pete Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:11:46 -0500 From: Bob Botha Subject: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) About a week ago someone mentioned a web page where one could down load pictures. Unfortunately, I deleted the message before bookmarking the page. Will somebody please give me the address again? Thanks, Bob Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:05:25 -0400 From: motormark@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Here it is http://www.zing.com/ Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Botha To: KLR Mail list Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 8:11 PM Subject: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) > About a week ago someone mentioned a web page where one could down load > pictures. Unfortunately, I deleted the message before bookmarking the > page. Will somebody please give me the address again? Thanks, > Bob > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for > info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:23:22 -0500 From: Bob Botha Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Wow, that was fast! Thanks, Mark, Bob Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:23:43 -0500 From: Bob Botha Subject: Re: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) Wow, that was fast! Thanks, Mark, Bob motormark@mindspring.com wrote: > Here it is http://www.zing.com/ > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Botha > To: KLR Mail list > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 8:11 PM > Subject: (klr650) Looking for web page (NKLR) > > > About a week ago someone mentioned a web page where one could down load > > pictures. Unfortunately, I deleted the message before bookmarking the > > page. Will somebody please give me the address again? Thanks, > > Bob > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for > > info. > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for > info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:36:07 -0400 From: "Steamroller" Subject: Re: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... At 60/65 mph, the average cruising speed of my KLR, the Connie has maybe 1/3 the vibrations, if that. It has less than my old Goldwing 1200 had. You have decent weather protection, absolutely great handling, well designed luggage and very accomodating ergonomics. I'm just over 6ft, Genmar risers were all it took to fit me prefect. You have an almost 300 mile range, depending on how fast you want to get there. Excellent braking, and more than enough snap to make most squids wince. There is a backrest availiable, Givi makes a great trunk with backrest and brake lights. And for me, shaft drive. I prefer shaft drive. Although if Kawy came out with that new ZRX 1100 before, I might have bought that. I happen to love the styling of the Concours. Now for the drawbacks... Changing the oil is a big pain, if for no other reason that there is too big a chance to scratch something. Valve checks? I'd rather do a KLR... twice! As with the KLR, there has to be a better windshield, I just haven't decided which one yet. While I find the seat comfortable enough, as with my KLR, when it's worn out enough I'll switch to a Corbin. As for engine heat, it's only noticable when stuck in traffic, no more than the KLR. It is about the same as my Goldwing was. It's typical Kawasaki. Excellent quality and value for the dollar. I know of 2 99's that can be had for around $7500, and maybe less now that the 00's are out. Honda, as refined as they are, are abit overpriced. Triumphs still seem to be plagued with electrical problems, and I love the Tiger. The Bandit 1200 is probably as good or better than the Concours in some areas, but doesn't have all the Concours attributes. In addition, I find Suzukis, as a brand, a little "nervous". Although I'd really like a get a ride on the Hyabusa. My opinion, NY Pete - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Simpson To: KLR650 Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: (klr650) 2-up riding NKLR... >OK I'm stuck again, if I absolutely have to have improved two-up riding...what are the bikes of >choice. Please no couches need apply? Tiger? Concours? ST1100....I go through this once every 6 >months...I'll get through it... > >Kurt > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for >info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:32:39 -0400 From: Chris Subject: Re: (klr650) Synthetic Oil - now Diesel Oil (NKLR) Steamroller wrote: > > It's a very interesting idea, diesel oils. This is the first I've heard of > it. > I have access to Rotella and Delvac oils, and if it's compatible and safe, > I'll try it. I have no clue as to oil specs, however my friend's father is a chemical engineer with Shell and tells me that the Rotella is the best oil they put out by a wide margin... My brother has been using Rotella in his cars for about ten years or so I'd guess and the leakdown/compression on his motors is amazing. Last one we did was nearly stock spec at 100k miles. He changes his oil religiously every 3k too. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:07:40 -0700 From: wmabb@tscnet.com Subject: (klr650) diesel oil Here's my for what its' worth: In my Harley Davidson service manual it says "Use only Genuine H.D. motor oil (wasn't even API certified last time I checked) or if not available use a good quality SD rated diesel oil". Being a low rpm motor pulling a lot of weight kind of like a truck i guess there is some simularity? My concerns are that a diesel gets some lube from the fuel so some anti wear additive may be left out. Low rpm's may not require an antifoam additive that a 7500 rpm motor would. Diesel combustion is very dirty so the detergent additive may be more than a klr needs. The science behind a good oil is in the additive package and the quality of the base stock it is mixed with. It is often not recomended to break a engine in on synthetics, not because it's synthetic, but because the expensive oil usually gets the company's best additive package. You sort of get what you pay for. What's missing from the new SJ oils is the ZDDP (zinc phosphate). It's a great anti wear additive but it screws up catalytic converters, thus the amount has been drasticly reduced if not eleminated completly. New additives have taken it's place that the oil companys swear are just as good, I'm not convinced yet. It's possible that the diesel oils still have a fair amount ZDDP thus making them seem desirable for our bikes, maybe more so than car oil, who knows? The SJ oils sent me back to the bike shop for motorcycle only oils (read expensive) only to find that Kawasaki and suzuki oils now have the SJ label too! Honda's was still SH/SF though. Screw it back to my old standby, Valvoline racing oil, you can smell the zinc in that stuff (smells like hypoid gear oil). So somebody give the diesel oil a sniff for me and tell me if it wreeks of hypoid............. wildBill Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:59:59 -0500 From: aches@deltech.net (Andrus Chesley) Subject: (klr650) RE:Deja-Vue NKLR Well guys and gals, I had mastered a sure fire stopping method on my old CB750 ('72) and later on my '78 XT500 Yamaha. Come to complete stop in neutral, swing out sidestand (before sidestand switches), kick back and cross your feet over the gas tank, Smile. Cause neither foot had touched the ground yet. Worked well till my BUDDY on a DT1 Yamaha (remember those?) comes up and bumps my back wheel and the morale of the story is I quit doing that on the highway after that . ;-) Cheers and Reguards Andy Chesley Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:11:57 -0500 From: aches@deltech.net (Andrus Chesley) Subject: (klr650) Re:Diesel Oil On the oil thing. Diesel Oil's biggest thing is the increased ash content to absorb impurties These engines have a high degree of contamiantion from blowby. Especially cold or cool engine not running up at 190 to 195 degrees operating temp. With out this ash, the oil would dilute very fast and hense, bearing problems at stress points. Don' t need it in gas or gasoline engines really. Any additives as such take away from the lube qualities. As aircraft engines have virtually no additives so as not to enhance spark plug problems. Don't know about all SJ and SG rateing changes but, I just keep on with my Mobile 1 or Castrol GPX and don't concern myself about it too much. Plus, you can get them at any WalMart, etc anywhere. I used to have a bunch of Oil stuff when I was making a living maintaining and rebuilding gas and diesel industrail engines. If I can ever find it, I'll post it. Believe me, these oil field companies spend tons of money making sure they have the right oils for the right engines. Cheers Andy Chesley Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #677 ****************************