From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #797 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, August 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 797 (klr650) Think for yourself! NKLR (klr650) Fuel Starvation Problem Re: (klr650) Aerostich Panniers Re: (klr650) Disk Drive NKLR RE: (klr650) Do I need a battery? RE: (klr650) Old Bike. Re: (klr650) GPS pool .. NKLR Re: (klr650) Disk Drive NKLR (klr650) Kawasaki Good Times Protection Plan Re: (klr650) Bird Incident NKLR (klr650) NKLR - economics again (klr650) KLR's for sale, plus more DS bikes (klr650) (NKLR) ...and economics too! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:06:32 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: (klr650) Think for yourself! NKLR This link came up in my Fluid Mechanics class: Barometric Height Determination - author unknown Some time ago I received a call from a colleague, who asked if I would be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the system were not set up against the student. The instructor and the student agreed to an impartial arbiter, and I was selected. I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question: "Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer." The student had answered: "Take the barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to the street, and then bring it up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the rope is the height of the building." I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full credit since he had really answered the question completely and correctly. On the other hand, if full credit were given, it could well contribute to a high grade in his physics course. A high grade is supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at answering the question. I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, but I was surprised when the student did. I gave the student six minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said no. He had many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on. In the next minute, he dashed off his answer which read: "Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof. Drop the barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then, using the formula x=0.5*a*t^2, calculate the height of the building." At this point, I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, and gave the student almost full credit. In leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said that he had other answers to the problem, so I asked him what they were. "Well," said the student, "there are many ways of getting the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer. For example, you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the barometer, the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the building, and by the use of simple proportion, determine the height of the building." "Fine," I said, "and others?" "Yes," said the student." There is a very basic measurement method you will like. In this method, you take the barometer and begin to walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this will give you the height of the building in barometer units. "A very direct method." "Of course. If you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine the value of g at the street level and at the top of the building. From the difference between the two values of g, the height of the building, in principle, can be calculated." "On this same tact, you could take the barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower it to just above the street, and then swing it as a pendulum. You could then calculate the height of the building by the period of the precession". "Finally," he concluded, "there are many other ways of solving the problem. Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows: 'Mr. Superintendent, here is a fine barometer. If you will tell me the height of the building, I will give you this barometer.'" At this point, I asked the student if he really did not know the conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, but said that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to teach him how to think. Just thought some of you might get a kick out of this. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:08:58 +0000 From: "Steve Rottenberg" Subject: (klr650) Fuel Starvation Problem Gino, I did take the petcock off and looked at the screens and they looked clean. Maybe I should've cleaned the heck out of them and not trust my eye sight. Thanks for the tip though. Ride Hard Steve in Tampa 98 B12 95 KLR 650 > a fuel starvation problem he had on his PC 800 I believe, and he > discovered his problem to be a cracked diaphragm inside the vacuum operated > fuel petcock.<< > > Have you taken the petcock out of the tank and cleaned the screen on the > feed tubes? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:09:15 -0500 From: Alan L Henderson Subject: Re: (klr650) Aerostich Panniers At 10:01 PM 8/29/1999 -0500, Carlos Y. Gonz=E1lez wrote: > >Hey y'all, > >I called aerostich to order a set of regular size tank panniers for the KLR >and they said that those bags work on everything BUT a KLR. I'm pretty >sure almost everyone that has them has them in the large size, right?=20 >Gino, didn't you say it's just a matter of sliding the straps forward of >the tank gas cap? Is the knee room acceptable for you guys with these bags >(how tall are you guys that are using them)? Opinions please. I just want >to make sure that I don't buy something that doesn't work. Thanks. > >Carlos > I ordered the large ones and they work fine for me. 6'3" Alan Henderson Iowa A13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:11:41 -0500 From: Alan L Henderson Subject: Re: (klr650) Disk Drive NKLR At 11:06 AM 8/30/1999 -0400, R. Kaub wrote: >I have a question: >Which way is the world going on high capacity removable disk drives? >Zip 100 Drives >Zip 250 Drives >LS-120 Drives > >Thanks. >Bob Kaub None of the above. Cd rewriteable. Over 500 megs and the discs cost about 3 dollars. Alan Henderson Iowa A13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:16:03 -0400 From: "LindaT" Subject: RE: (klr650) Do I need a battery? Yes, I kept telling myself 'Who needs aerobic exercise when you have a bike with a kickstarter?' The only problem is that it exercises the right leg only. One could get quite lop-sided after a while. I vote FOR the beefcake. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (61K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Kurt Simpson said: >(Ok, for LindaT and Sarah we can include a token beefcake). >"The Kawasaki Excercise Machine! Doesn't need electricity, dismantles >for easy storage, can be wheeled from room to room and makes a great >converstaion piece when guests come around." >"Parts and accessories sold separately. This offer not valid where >fair trading legislation exists." errr, I think Linda already owns one of these. She just needs the beefcake.... Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:27:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: RE: (klr650) Old Bike. >>I am a bit surprised to read that the balancer mechanism bolt should be loosened no more than one complete revolution. Following instructions gleaned from the archives, I loosened it three complete revolutions and then re-tightened it.<< Balancer adjustment seems to be becoming more an art than a science. The latest from KL650 engine guru, Eldon Carl is to adjust the balancer when the engine is hot when the oil is at its thinnest. This will let the mechanism slide more freely as cold oil will create drag. Also, only back out the bolt 1/2 to 3/4 turn so that the mechanism does not become cocked on the shaft. Then retighten the bolt. He is now saying we should not tap the side case. I hope he doesn't come up with any bizzare stuff because we would do it unquestioned.... Let's see, I have to take all my clothes off, and loosen the bolt when the engine is hot and the full moon is 3 degrees above the horizon..... Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:24:51 PDT From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: Re: (klr650) GPS pool .. NKLR >My question is which model positively pass the "driving test" .. on medium >- long trips.... 3 to 7 k miles.. >Is that "graphical map" feature really worth a bulk and trouble.. and >price? :-) What's the "driving test"? >Our choice would be GARMIN III+ .. mounted inside front firing .. what >would be Yours? The III+ is a good unit, though I haven't had much hands-on experience with it. Instead, I had the chance to play with the StreetPilot ColorMap a few weeks ago on a trip from SF to San Diego. Let's just say that when I get a touring bike, a ColorMap will be mounted on it. From what I can gather, the base maps of the III+ and StreetPilot are comparable. The StreetPilot can use all the map CD-ROMs the III+ can, plus use the MetroGuide CD, which is a LOT more detailed than the other MapSource CDs. One thing you may want to wait a bit for is the new Garmin eMap. It appears to be a StreetPilot in a smaller size. (The downside... it won't be available for another month...) Plus, there's the upcoming GPS 12MAP; it appears to be a III+ shoehorned into a 12 case. (Even smaller...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:23:58 -0700 From: "Rev. Chuck" Subject: Re: (klr650) Disk Drive NKLR WOW why can't we come to a clear and decisive decision regarding: 1. Oil: level and type 2. Low/High front fender 3. Guns in Mexico 4. SS front brake line 5. Quality of service on the web 6. Bears 7. Open land use etc., etc., etc. :) Every reply regarding ZIP drives suggested a CD writer. We ARE one! - --- Rev. Chuck :^)>+ KLR650 '99 http://www.50megs.com/klr650/ Thousands of smiles, and barely broke in... ******************************************* On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:11:41 Alan L Henderson wrote: >At 11:06 AM 8/30/1999 -0400, R. Kaub wrote: >>I have a question: >>Which way is the world going on high capacity removable disk drives? >>Zip 100 Drives >>Zip 250 Drives >>LS-120 Drives >> >>Thanks. >>Bob Kaub > >None of the above. Cd rewriteable. Over 500 megs and the discs cost about 3 >dollars. Ubank, Ushop, Usearch, Usurf-here, Ubuild, Ubook, Uchat, Urocket Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:58:47 -0400 From: "Patrice Robinet" Subject: (klr650) Kawasaki Good Times Protection Plan Ok, I need your advice. I just got a little notice in the mail asking me whether I would like Kawasaki's extended protection plan. I am inclined to say no because I now this bike well (my '95 lasted some 50,000 before it was stolen) and I do most of my tinkering on my own. What do you think, oh wise gentleman and ladies? Anybody ever had this and used/needed this? I have to answer by the 10th...... Patrice Robinet Frenchman on Two Wheels 1999 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:07:04 -0700 From: "Rev. Chuck" Subject: Re: (klr650) Bird Incident NKLR You bet! Look in the archives for the *extended* story. Let's say I had pheasent for dinner one night, and a sore left shoulder/chest for a week, darn near knocked me clean off the bike. I think these birds aim for the shoulder and not the helmet. ;^) Last week I did hit a very low flying duck with my Suzuki Samuri, silly duck stuck its head right into my right turn signal, at 50 mph! Could not eat the duck though, kinda like a bean bag... - --- Rev. Chuck :^)>+ KLR650 '99 http://www.50megs.com/klr650/ Thousands of smiles, and barely broke in... ******************************************* On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:59:02 Blake, Paul wrote: Has anyone ever had a run in with a bird while riding? It was the strangest thing! I was riding at just about dusk, about 70mph, when all of the sudden a blurry blob is right in front of me and then suddenly slams into my right shoulder!! Ubank, Ushop, Usearch, Usurf-here, Ubuild, Ubook, Uchat, Urocket Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:13:29 -0400 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) NKLR - economics again Nope, I want a complete laissez faire government. Toll booths set up every 50 feet of roadway, cops and firemen charge you for the services you use, the armed forces to the same. Yup, that's what I want, and when someone tells me my shoes are untied, I go get all the shoes out of my closet to make sure they are tied. Eric J www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page '98 KLR 650 18,000 miles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:27:32 -0400 From: balrog@midcoast.com (Thomas Jamrog) Subject: (klr650) KLR's for sale, plus more DS bikes 1993 KLR 650 with 17,400 miles. Scottoiler. $2000 1996 KLR 650 with 1,300 miles, bought new in 1997. $3100. 1990 Suzuki DR350S with 4,000 miles. $1500 1995 BMW R1100GSA w/ 47,000 miles, Jesse bags, BMW metal loop cylinder protectors, BMW tankbag, heated grips, extra socket, original 6.8 gal plastic tank, white. $9,500. In Maine, 207-763-3406, Tom Jamrog.call evenings for additional details or correspond off list via my email address (balrog@midcoast.com). +---------------------+---------------------------------+ | Tom Jamrog | Two-wheeled adventure writer | +---------------------+--------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------+ || balrog@midcoast.com || || http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog RFD # 1, Box 5000 Lincolnville, ME 04849 || +-------------------------------------------------------+ "You've got to give everything you've got to this life."-Lech Walesa Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:47:54 EDT From: AB763@aol.com Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) ...and economics too! Just following the threads on international economics, which come close on the heels of the international gun control discussions, and I'm impressed with the caliber (so to speak) of the intellects out there. We KLRers are getting to be a brainy lot. Is that why the Harley riders all refuse to wave back? ... although their passengers often don't. ;-] Suggestion for next thread: KLRs and sex appeal. What is it about dual sport riders that Harley women respond to, even from the opposite side of an interstate? The subtle intellectual vibe? The McGyver-like can-do attitude? It sure isn't the delicate perfume of 78 miles of trail sweat mixed with mud... or is it? +AB+ Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #797 ****************************