From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #941 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, September 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 941 (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? Re: (klr650) fuel shut off RE: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) RE: NKLR Handlebar options (klr650) Oil Pressure Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Re: (klr650) environmental survey NKLR (was wilderness values & NKLRwilderness values) (klr650) Re: FI V/S Carb KLR & general stuff like that Re: (klr650) environmental survey NKLR (was wilderness values & NKLRwildernes... RE: (klr650) kick start again (klr650) Re: FI V/S Carb KLR & general stuff like ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:31:26 -0400 From: Brian Shepard Subject: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? It has been very very hot this past summer in the Philadelphia area with temps mostly in the 90s. Recently it has cooled off quite a bit with temps in the upper 60s lower 70s.It seems like my A13 likes the cooler temps as it seems to be running much better, smoother, and quieter. Could I be imagining this? It wasn't running bad in the hot temps, but it seems much noticably better in the cooler temps. Any comments? - -Brian Shepard Philadelphia A13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:46:07 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? Very observant!! Cold air is more dense and will give you more power. So it is not your imagination. I am sure the local scientists can give you the presise reasons for this. Maybe this is like the turbo charger effect? : To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:31 AM Subject: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? > It has been very very hot this past summer in the Philadelphia area with > temps mostly in the 90s. Recently it has cooled off quite a bit with > temps in the upper 60s lower 70s.It seems like my A13 likes the cooler > temps as it seems to be running much better, smoother, and quieter. > Could I be imagining this? It wasn't running bad in the hot temps, but > it seems much noticably better in the cooler temps. Any comments? > > -Brian Shepard > Philadelphia > A13 > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:55:54 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) fuel shut off JGonza5585@aol.com wrote: > i let the carburetor run dry, with the shut off in the off position, just > as suggested, turned the valve back on and started my bike, it wouldn't > start unless i cranked the throttle back, guess it is flooding out. once it > started, fuel started pouring out of the clear drain hose on the carb. That pretty much describes a faulty carby float. If you are lucky then it may be just some dirt in between the float needle and seat. Otherwise, a new float needle is needed, and they're not cheap. Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 8:58:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: RE: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL >>It seems like my A13 likes the cooler temps as it seems to be running much better, smoother, and quieter. Could I be imagining this? It wasn't running bad in the hot temps, but it seems much noticably better in the cooler temps. Any comments?<< I really notice this on my aircooled bikes. They seem to like a temperatures around 60-70 degrees. I've assumed that this is due to the cooler temperatures keep the intake tract nice and cool which in then keeps the combustion chamber at a prime tempertaure as well. On liquid cooled bikes, the combustion chamber temp is regulated by the liquid cooling for the most part. But I do notice my KLR likes mild temperatures as well. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:02:33 EDT From: TLrydr@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KLR performance? Hot air will make the bike run richer and cool air will make it run leaner, The perfect set up would be too jet for the weather, Or just go to fuel injection, COOL 2001 KLR 850cc single fuel injection released in the USA this year, With a dry weight of 310 lbs and BHP reading at the dyno 65 HP. With the FI set up the single will be getting over 60 mpg with its 6.5 gallon tank which would put its range at about 390 miles, OOPS Sorry i was just day dreamming again. MIKE In a message dated 9/27/99 9:47:48 AM EST, moabmc@lasal.net writes: << Very observant!! >> Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 9:04:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL >>Cold air is more dense and will give you more power.<< Yep. It is rumored that the US spy plane, the SR71, has a special fuel mix that includes Boron, which dissipates heat from the fuel air mix and allows more fuel to be crammed into the cumbustion chamber of the jet engine since it is cooler and denser. More fuel and more air = more power. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:06:36 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: NKLR Handlebar options Carlos Y. Gonz=E1lez wrote: [...] > On a related note, anyone ever see Performance Bikes Nasty Video 1? I've got that one. > When > they were filming on a track day, there was a guy on some superbike who > didn't have his clip-ons, instead he was running dirt bike handlebars. Yeah, and he was acting like a real twit. > Looked kind of odd, "sit-up and beg" style on a superbike, seems like a > recipe for a killer tank slapper. I would hate to sneeze on that bike = :) I think the bike was a GSX-R of some sort. There are high-bar conversions for lots of sports bikes in the UK to cater for the "streetfighter" fad. The conversion involves a new top triple clamp that will take=20 conventional tube handlebars, and longer lines and cables. Mister_T Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:08:15 -0400 From: "Scherer, Michael" Subject: (klr650) Oil Pressure I was wondering about oil pressure. The light on the far right, where you would expect the idiot light to be, doesn't seem to be active. Is it active? Has anyone made it active? Is there a sending unit? Has anyone put a pressure gage on? Thanks in advance. Biker Mike A13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:22:48 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pokluda, Gino To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:04 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL > > > >>Cold air is more dense and will give you more power.<< > > Yep. It is rumored that the US spy plane, the SR71, has a special fuel mix > that includes Boron, which dissipates heat from the fuel air mix and allows > more fuel to be crammed into the cumbustion chamber of the jet engine since > it is cooler and denser. More fuel and more air = more power. > > Gino YUP!! Better believe Gino since he is the new head of Area 51 and knows all about this spy stuff... Fred DUCK!!! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 9:41:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL >> 2001 KLR 850cc single fuel injection released in the USA this year, With a dry weight of 310 lbs and BHP reading at the dyno 65 HP.<< I would skip the fuel injection and go with Kawasaki's fantastic KTRIC throttle position sensor system like the one on ZRX1100. Much cheaper than EFI and just as good (IMHO) with no surging or "hunting" which plagues almost every EFI system. Everyone says injectors are lighter than carbs and that's the way to go. They forget about the supporting cast that accompanies an EFI system, like the black box, extra poundage to generate enough electrical power to run the EFI, fuel pump, etc... Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 9:46:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL Believe it or not, The "SR71 Boron fuel" was the topic in a Kevin Cameron "Cycle World" Tech column about 6 or so years ago. That's where I got that tid bit of info. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:14:24 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL I understand why you don't want to talk about your new position at Area 51. Mums the word... Fred ;<) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pokluda, Gino To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:46 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Does outside temp affect KL > > Believe it or not, The "SR71 Boron fuel" was the topic in a Kevin Cameron > "Cycle World" Tech column about 6 or so years ago. That's where I got that > tid bit of info. > > Gino > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:13:14 -0400 From: "Steamroller" Subject: Re: (klr650) environmental survey NKLR (was wilderness values & NKLRwilderness values) Jeff wrote: >bottle during this). The same dog always goes mountain biking with me and >my wife, and she can easily go for 25 miles without a single complaint, >keeping up the whole time and wanting to go farther. During bird hunting >I'll tire out long before she ever does, and I'm used to walking long >distances. > >Anyway, to the point, some lady came up and accused me of torturing my dog >by "making" her chase the kite! I couldn't believe it! My dog is like my >child, she's family to me. To be accused of being an irresponsible pet >owner like that was like being accused of abusing my daughter. It really >galled me. > AHHHH, thats just another example of the "I know what's good for you", set. I, too, have a GREAT dog. She's a mixed breed Collie, Husky, almost 10 years old. We got her as a pup. The best woods companion I've ever had. Except in the yard, when we're not home, she's not leashed. She'll walk an area of about 25/50 yard radius all around you. Yet, when you whistle, ever so softly, she'll trot right back and almost ask, "Yes, my Master. What is thy bidding?" (BG). Just say, "good girl" and she's off again. When my son was small, she was real protective. Yet, many times, people have had the "brass stones" to accuse me of cruelty because I don't leash her. They say absolutely stupid things like, "What about rabid raccoons? What if she's bit by a snake?". And once I even heard, and this from a guy with a toddler, in shorts with a loaded, soggy diaper and sockless sandles, running "loose" on a trail with a high dropoff on one side, that "people who don't leash their animals, should be leashed themselves". Man, I tell you, that a was a classic. People use their own fears to inflict control on others. I'll stop now. NY Pete Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:29:09 EDT From: TLrydr@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: FI V/S Carb KLR & general stuff like that Gino Its like the old carbs of the 80s bikes that did all that low speed surging, Its a EPA thing, With the new over lean FI bikes there is a lot of bucking and all, BUT there is also something called a power commander by dynojet, Where you can retune the FI with a touch of a knob , Or just plug the bike into your computer and change the timming and the fuuel curve and keep a map of the whole thing. The fuel injection bike will run about the same at 13000 ft as sea level, Alot more so than the carb bike. Just my 31/2 cents worth. Mike My TL1000 FI bike is as smootth as my zx1100, After i tuned it up with the POWER COMMANDER, My girl friend says that the KLR is the neatest bike i got to ride on the back of. 1500 gold wing SE ZX 1100 c TL 1000 s EX 500 KLR 650 A14 In a message dated 9/27/99 10:42:29 AM EST, GPokluda@phs.org writes: << EFI and just as good (IMHO) with no surging or "hunting" which plagues almost every EFI system. >> Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:36:01 EDT From: TLrydr@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) environmental survey NKLR (was wilderness values & NKLRwildernes... TThats another long story about BIG brother, I didn't vote for the guy, Anyway, Just wanted to say. My dog is better than your dog. LOL Mike In a message dated 9/27/99 11:17:27 AM EST, sroller@frontiernet.net writes: << AHHHH, thats just another example of the "I know what's good for you", set. I, too, have a GREAT dog. >> Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:08:47 -0600 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) kick start again You're one tough hombre with a will of steel. One would think after being in the charismatic presence of Elden you would have ran out to = your bike and added the extra oil. However, I bet you're not strong enough = to turn out your balancer adjuster screw the full 3 turns. I'm positive = you wimp out at =BE like the rest of us. Bogdan Redondo Ron A10 - who still does _not_ overfill his oil sump=20 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=3Dklr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:10:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: (klr650) Re: FI V/S Carb KLR & general stuff like >> Its like the old carbs of the 80s bikes that did all that low speed surging, Its a EPA thing, With the new over lean FI bikes there is a lot of bucking and all, BUT there is also something called a power commander by dynojet, Where you can retune the FI with a touch of a knob , Or just plug the bike into your computer and change the timming and the fuuel curve and keep a map of the whole thing. The fuel injection bike will run about the same at 13000 ft as sea level, Alot more so than the carb bike. Just my 31/2 cents worth.<< Yep, the EPA pretty much made EFI must have for autos, and that is not such a bad thing. The biggest thing people need to remember is to change out the fuel filter. The more restricted it gets, the harder the fuel pump has to work and will eventually burn itself out trying to maintain that critical fuel system pressure. I haven't taken my ZRX higher than 10K feet, but with the KTRIC, carbureted perfectly. I think EFI is great for road bikes, but its complexity rules it out as an option (for me) for off-road machines. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to Editor@dualsport.org for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #941 ****************************