From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #969 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 969 (klr650) Filter questions (klr650) NKLR- Paint project (klr650) Gettin' Tubed (klr650) NKLR- Advice to a new adventurer... Re: (klr650) Gettin' Tubed Re: (klr650) Ready to roll!!! (klr650) NKLR: Tire question Re: (klr650) Ready to roll!!! Re: (klr650) ready to roll!!! Re: (klr650) NKLR winter storage Re: (klr650) Tire encyclopedia Re: (klr650) NKLR- Advice to a new adventurer... (klr650) Disk Protectors (klr650) Tornado air in a KLR Re: (klr650) NKLR winter storage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Villarreal Subject: (klr650) Filter questions Wait a minute, wait a minute... Time-out here... Are you guys talking about the standard paper replacement filters? Or the metal lifetime jobber? I use the paper ones for my '97, and I don't recall seeing anything in the way of a pipe or a spring. My filters HAVE had the rubber grommets, though. All I do is pop off the cover, pull the old filter, and replace it with the new one. No problems (at least up to this point- 15K miles). What's going on here? Someone (especially if you have a '97) please advise... Juan Villarreal, "The Perplexed Hooligan" '97 KLR, "The Rock" - --- Cloudhid@aol.com wrote: > Juan writes: > >Changed the oil and noticed that on the > service manual there is a drawing > >of a little pipe and a little spring that go > into the oil filter. My bike > >doesn't have those, what are they? Do I need > them? > > > Juan, > How many miles has it been running without > this pipe? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Villarreal Subject: (klr650) NKLR- Paint project Veeeery nice, Randolph. Your bike looks beautiful- I wish you could do mine up like that... I also find your style of writing quite entertaining. Good writing- it's a dying art, you know... It led me to check out some of the other parts of your website. Very cool. Keep it up man, and thanks for the heads up. Juan Villarreal > Pictures are > up at my > homepage: > http://anguish.org/~greyson/index.shtml ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:11:00 EDT From: Cloudhid@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Gettin' Tubed The Hooligan writes: >Wait a minute, wait a minute... Time-out here... > Are you guys talking about the standard paper >replacement filters? Or the metal lifetime >jobber? I don't think it matters which model year klr, or whether you use paper or the stainless filter. The tube slides into the filter through the rubber grommets that are on both ends of the filter. If your filter isn't flowing oil past the element (paper or metal), as fast as it's being pumped in, the excess pressure depresses the spring to allow oil to escape through the bypass hole. Without the tube in place, it's like the bypass valve is constantly open. Without this in place, your oil is not being properly filtered. I wonder if some of you are missing these tubes because a previous owner, not realizing it was a separate part from the filter, just threw them away with the filter when they did their first oil change. I sure hope a dealer wouldn't do that. Anyway, you guys gave me one more thing to check if I buy a used klr. Thanks. Redondo Ron A10 - totally tubular Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Villarreal Subject: (klr650) NKLR- Advice to a new adventurer... Andrew- First of all, welcome! I too started cold in April of '96. TOO DATE I have had no spills, crashes, or even a close call. That is not a testament to my skills as a rider (I still consider myself a neophyte in that regard), but rather a result of my commitment to a few simple rules. Here's what's worked for me (listers please take note- it's only my opinion). Take or leave as you see fit: Rule #1: When you ride, you are in training. You are an apprentice, and your job is to learn. Hopefully it will be the most enjoyable training you'll ever experience (with the possible exception of the carnal realm), but it's training nevertheless. Rule #2: Stay within the limits of you and your bike. You seem to have this one well in hand, though there will be times when you're tempted (especially when riding with other more seasoned folks) to press it. Don't. Make the little progressions (baby steps!) on your own time, when the conditions are right for YOU. Listen to your body when you feel the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Novices probably have a better sense of what their limitations are than any other type of rider. That's a good thing. Respect and cherish it, for that's what will keep you alive in this critical first year. Rule #3: Avoid riding at night. More so avoid riding the back roads at night (drunks, wildlife). And avoid like the plague rides on Friday and Saturday nights (more drunks). Night rides are incredibly romantic and exhilarating, but there's just too much risk associated with them. My night riding consists only of what I need to maintain proficiency, should the time come when I HAVE to do it. Rule #4: Take an MSF course. Though I think their value is somewhat overrated (there's no substitute for the active participation of one's BRAIN), you will be introduced to some of the interesting physical aspects of riding a motorcycle, like braking, countersteering, traction factors, etc. The riding drills are also quite helpful. Rule #5: Be humble. Stay humble. Remember that to have a bike is to have a lion for a pet. Very cool, very novel, but incredibly unforgiving. I'm a navigator in the AF, and though I've found flying for my country to be the most fulfilling job in the world, it also involves a lot of work, discipline, and judgment. Nothing- whether it's a successful mission, or a fatal rendezvous with the local terrain- happens by accident in my profession. Pretty much the same holds true for motorcycling. I don't see the survival/death thing as a matter of fate. I really don't... Like I said, take what might work for you (if anything) and pitch the rest. I lived in Panama City, Panama for a year and managed to survive the most horrific traffic conditions by sticking to this formula. I topped it all off with a ride back to the States in the saddle of my mighty KLR. But I want to emphasize... It isn't me that's working- it's my system. Good luck, welcome to the brotherhood, and live to ride another day... Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. Juan Villarreal, "The Happy Hooligan" '97 KLR, "The Rock" - --- andrew stanigar wrote: > I bought my A13 a couple of months ago and I am > enjoying learning to ride it. In fact, it being > my first bike, I'm learning to ride ... period. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:45:07 -0500 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: Re: (klr650) Gettin' Tubed > I wonder if some of you are missing these tubes because a > previous owner, not realizing it was a separate part from the > filter, just threw them away with the filter when they did > their first oil change. I sure hope a dealer wouldn't do that. > Anyway, you guys gave me one more thing to check if I buy > a used klr. Thanks. > > Redondo Ron A10 - totally tubular I think this is starting to sound like a pretty common problem among used KLRs, judging from the response of the list. I bought my KLR used and it was also missing the tube. I came to notice it the first time I changed the oil. Luckily, I don't recall the tube being very expensive to replace. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:09:54 -0700 From: "DobeMan" Subject: Re: (klr650) Ready to roll!!! > What about my other question? the one about the little pipe in the oil > filter? Do I need to get one? I may as well put in what I know about this. YES!!! You do need that little pipe. It's the supply tube. I'm not sure which way the oil circulates, but it either brings oil to the filter OR picks up the filtered oil and passes it into the engine. It is pressed into your oil filter, so if you took out your old oil filter it would naturally still be stuck in the old oil filter. If you threw it out, I'd get one pronto before running your bike again. How long have you been running without it? Now your comment about the spring worries me, as I don't have one. Karl Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:51:16 EDT From: Oilie@aol.com Subject: (klr650) NKLR: Tire question Are the knobbier (i.e., more dirt oriented) tires better or worse than the less knobby tires on wet pavement? Or does it make any significant difference? - -Jim Henry: Co-Honcho, Republic of Texas Biker Rally - -Travis County Expo Center in Austin, 9-11 June 2000 - -oilie@aol.com - -(972) 386-7619 vox/fax - -(972) 866-8363 info line/fax modem Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:46:34 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Ready to roll!!! From: juan carlos ibarra Subject: Re: (klr650) Ready to roll!!! > Hi, Arne, > > I felt that the 5.5 inches from the top was too much oil since it is > quite a bit more than what the manual recommends. So I went down to 17 cm. > and to me it meant improvement in the fork's response to small bumps. I'm > riding 7.5 oil and has suited my riding style. It's good that you felt that way, because it is. The instructions from Progressive are wrong in this matter. You should actually go down to 19cm... but you're on the right track. Remember, that the Progressive springs also displace more oil than the stock ones.. (got to explain this theory to my kids the other day when they were complaining that I got to have way more water in the bathtub than they did)... =^) > What about my other question? the one about the little pipe in the oil > filter? Do I need to get one? Yes.. Without it your oil is not filtering properly. Arne Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:50:02 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) ready to roll!!! From: Subject: Re: (klr650) ready to roll!!! > I don't worry about lubing it. In my klr there is exactly > 2.5 liters of oil circulating through it. :) And how did you come to this conclusion Ron? Ummm, for get I asked... Cheers, Arne KLR650 Listmeister Eh 13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:38:49 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR winter storage From: Allan Phipps Subject: (klr650) NKLR winter storage > Time to put my KLR to bed for the winter. I'll be storing it in my > unheated garage for the winter. It gets very cold here in the winter so > I'm going to put in some new antifreeze so it will be ok down to -40 C. I > also have some fuel stabilizer. I'll take out the battery and I may also > drain the carb. Anything else I can do to make sure the bike will be ready > to go when the snow melts?? Thanks in advance for the advice. > > Al > A10 All good things... The easiest way to drain the carb is just let it run dry with the bike running and the petcock in the off position. Many people also fill their tanks completely so as no rust can form on the inside walls. You might as well dump the old oil and put in fresh while you're at it. Cheers, Arne KLR650 Listmeister Eh 13 www.mac-d.com MAC-D Homepage Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:53:01 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire encyclopedia From: crtk > To whom it may concern. > Could I please be removed from the mailing lists. I get close to 100 a day and > realy dont want any more. Or could you give me an idea as to how i can go about > doing this. > Thank You, crtk@worldpath.net Hey no fair!!! How come you get more than the rest of us? But if you really want out I guess we can do something for you. How much money you got? Cheers, Arne KLR650 Listmeister Eh 13 www.mac-d.com MAC-D Homepage Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:33:42 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Advice to a new adventurer... From: Juan Villarreal To: andrew stanigar Subject: (klr650) NKLR- Advice to a new adventurer... > Here's what's worked for me (listers > please take note- it's only my opinion). Take or > leave as you see fit: <> > Let me know if there's anything else I can do for > you. Excellent advice Juan! Well said. Cheers, Arne KLR650 Listmeister Eh 13 www.mac-d.com MAC-D Homepage Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:01:03 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: (klr650) Disk Protectors - - Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:49:22 -0400 - - From: Bill Haycock - - To: Tom Day Bill, under the.."believe-it-or-not" heading... while I was writing to you, a friend of mine (new KLR too..) `got into' Acerbis sales and they told him they were reintroducing this due to the more than 70 recent requests!! the part number is 185159-06 and my friend ordered me a set! Thanx for your time, Tom Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:51:04 -0400 From: Ian Cariolo Subject: (klr650) Tornado air in a KLR At 07:37 PM 10/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone had any experience with this Tornado air gizmo? >http://www.tornadoair.com/Default.htm >I was wondering if I was going to be the first to try it. >$65 for 10% is a deal - or is it a steal? I would LOVE to know the answer to this as well. They make them for my car (a '93 Geo Tracker), and I'll do just about anything to supplement the anemic 80-horsepower engine. lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Ian Cariolo 1985 VF700F Interceptor 1986 Kawasaki KL600B Duxbury, MA llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:52:23 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR winter storage > Time to put my KLR to bed for the winter. I'll be storing it in my > unheated garage for the winter. It gets very cold here in the winter so > I'm going to put in some new antifreeze so it will be ok down to -40 C. I > also have some fuel stabilizer. I'll take out the battery and I may also > drain the carb. Anything else I can do to make sure the bike will be ready > to go when the snow melts?? Thanks in advance for the advice. > > Al > A10 All good things... The easiest way to drain the carb is just let it run dry with the bike running and the petcock in the off position. Many people also fill their tanks completely so as no rust can form on the inside walls. You might as well dump the old oil and put in fresh while you're at it. I agree with the Terminator...the gas tank is the thing I'd be worried most about...once you get rust in there it is a mess at best. Fill it up to the top with the stabilizer, turn the petcock off, run the stabilized gas through the carb by running it until it stops. Then I'd pull the tank and the plug and squirt some oil in the top of the head and rotate the engine with the starter a couple of times. Some people recommend taking the weight of the tires..keep the battery on a battery tender all winter... Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #969 ****************************