From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #986 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 986 Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Motorcycle stoplight blues: Anybody have a cure? Re: (klr650) NKLR Wood and rubber Re: (klr650) Wet Road Performance. Re: (klr650) Tire info Re: (klr650) Euro Kawis (klr650) Stand to long (klr650) German Kawasaki Site Re: (klr650) NKLR Wood and rubber Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Motorcycle stoplight blues: Anybody have a cure? Re: (klr650) feeler gauge Re: (klr650) Just bought a Y2KLR650 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:21:37 PDT From: "Conall O'Brien" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Motorcycle stoplight blues: Anybody have a cure? Moose or MSR skidplate helps get your bike "seen" at a stoplight. Guess it presents a large metallic cross section to the magnetic flux sensors. I noticed the difference when I had the moose plate removed. There is usually a "sweet spot" in the pavement, that once found, will usually trigger the light. I've had good luck riding right up on top of the visible traces in the pavement, hitting the corners of the grid in the pavement, and planting the sidestand momentarily on top. I never hesitate very long at a reluctant light though, usually run them. Got caught red-handed once by a M/C Cop for not waiting but he let me go. Nice Officer. Conall >From: "Cassell, Jonathan Z" >Reply-To: "Cassell, Jonathan Z" >To: "'klr650@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Motorcycle stoplight blues: Anybody have a cure? >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:12:53 -0400 > >Alright, > We all suffer from it: bike does not trigger the stoplight change >circuitry. We cross that loop of wire buried in the asphalt and ... >nothing. > > So, the question is: has anybody come up with a solution to this >problem? Surely it's been solved!?!? Isn't there a magnetic field that a >car >disrupts by crossing the loop? Wouldn't it be enough to disrupt that >magnetic field? Couldn't you do that with an electromagnet dangling from >your bike? > > -Spike, waiting for the muse > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >for info. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:43:29 -0400 From: Gary Weaver Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Wood and rubber Skip, Her in Pa. we have alot of covered bridges.In addition to moisture grelims,D.O.T.seals the wood decking with linseed oil to help preserve it.Futher complicating traction,the boards on the decking run vertical,creating edge traps.Usually there's a sign warning you "bridge ahead".When the oil and water chemistry are in fusion,look out Helter Skelter. You have been warned. Guess B.C. doesn't beleive in signing.Also they coat concrete bridge decks,at least here in Pa. First half hour of rain can full of susprises. Wood decking oil NEVER washes off,it's absorbed and continues to ooze almost forever.Think again about that scenic bridge tour,in a misty spritz.With the fall season here,also remember that wet gooey leaves,are like slime snot too.Let's try to keep our KLR's organic free.LOL Just say NO to soil samples,bmwzzzing via savethetrees.org Jeffrey Doyle wrote: > Skip Faulkner wrote: > > > > List, > > After hearing about an accident two of our local BMWMOA members had, I > > thought I would pass along a little warning to those not familiar with the > > dangers of the following. > > Two friends went down while riding two up on a trip into B.C. Canada. > > Let me first tell those that don`t know, wood and rubber don`t work well > > together when the rubber is on your tire and the wood is on the road. If > > you`ve ever lost it or almost lost it on a wooden bridge, you know what I > > mean. What`s worse is if the bridge is damp ( early morning dew or > > humidity), it`s like grease. What`s even worse than that is if the wooden > > bridge is in a curve and damp, which is what happened to this couple. They > > were driving down a rural road and went into a blind curve when the wet > > bridge suddenly appears. With no time to react, they went down and went into > > the railing. They were both hospitalized but doing ok and will recover. If > > it weren`t for their protective gear, it would have been worse. > > They`re nostalgic and rustic, but deadly to a motorcycle. Watch those > > roads! > > > > Skip > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > > for info. > > Thank you....It's on the list with manhole covers and railroad tracks. > > Jeff > A2 > AMA > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:43:35 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Wet Road Performance. >This sounds good to me. Is there anyone else who wants to stand behind the >Gripsters on wet pavement. I do about 80% street and alot is in rain. The >K750s have been fine. Are the Gripsters much better? I know where to get a >good deal on the K750s. > >Biker Mike I can`t compare as I`ve never tried the K750`s. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:48:04 -0600 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tire info > I know, another tire recommendation post ;) I picked up my MT-21 front >today and wow, what a beefy tire! I want to mount them myself so I know how >to handle myself if I was on a trail with a flat. Any do's & don'ts? I >have a couple of 16" long tire irons just waiting to be put to work. > Now I'm ready to pick out a rear tire. I was all set to get the Pirelli >MT-70 but it was about $145 CDN plus tax (15% here). That's a whack of >cash!!! I haven't ruled them out completely, but I wouldn't mind getting >something that would work as well but be a bit cheaper. > They had a Bridgestone TrailWing (TW152 or TW142 I think) in stock that >I could get for about $100 tax in, but it looked more like a 80/20 tire to >me. The price was right but I'm sceptical about it off road in the snotty >stuff based on how it looked. > The other tire I liked was the Conti TKC-80. That looked more >aggressive to me and the price was right but I worry about the longevity of >it. Anyone tried them and put some miles on? If I could get a real solid >8,000 kms (5,000 miles) of use from it, I'd consider that getting my monies >worth. Any other recommendations for a 60/40-50/50 tire? > >Thanks! >Karl Mollye has the TW152`s on her F650 and they`re great on road but suck off-road. I`ve had some hairy experiences with those tires and dirt. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:00:53 +0000 From: Kahiau Subject: Re: (klr650) Euro Kawis Cool pics! I love the graphics on both the green and black model. Tires look pretty weak for off-road. Descent skid plate. Weak rear rack. Seems to set-up for 95+ road. The hand guards a lot more solid than the U.S. style. Where's the windshield? Overall I would love to have had the options of getting my y2k in those color schemes. Scratching head thinking of how to obtain the bike, E14 kahiau Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:14:08 +0000 From: Kahiau Subject: (klr650) Stand to long I just had the R&D lowering links installed on my y2k. At first I thought I wouldn't need to modify my kick stand but I noticed it stands almost straight up and will fall over if I don't park it on a left lower than right area. Anyone have any ideas on the type of options available to rectify this situation? I have read a bit about the short center stand from DualStar and slowly trim the OEM stand. Anything else or more would greatly be appreciated. Holding bike from falling, E14 kahiau Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:46:12 -0700 From: "Jon" Subject: (klr650) German Kawasaki Site Just a quick note about the German KLR. I like the red btw. The German PS seems to be different than HP, but they offer a kit to get the bike from 42PS down to 34PS. Call it an "UP"grade. The max speed of it is 157km/h. Plus they include 2yrs unlimited Km warranty. The bike must be underpowered or geared lower, I wonder which... Jon Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:03:16 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Wood and rubber I'll tell you what else is slicker than rhino snot in the rain, and very scary at high speed, and that is the large diamonds that they use to mark HOV lanes, as well as cross walk stripes. I almost slid out at 60 mph on one of those diamonds in the rain going around a curve on I-5 south of Seattle. Luckily I recovered, but it was the closest I've ever come to a high speed accident. No room to pull over and do a gut check either, so I just hyperventilated until the next exit. Jeff > Skip, > Her in Pa. we have alot of covered bridges.In addition to moisture > grelims,D.O.T.seals the wood decking with linseed oil to help preserve it.Futher > complicating traction,the boards on the decking run vertical,creating edge > traps.Usually there's a sign warning you "bridge ahead".When the oil and water > chemistry are in fusion,look out Helter Skelter. > You have been warned. Guess B.C. doesn't beleive in signing.Also they coat > concrete bridge decks,at least here in Pa. First half hour of rain can full of > susprises. Wood decking oil NEVER washes off,it's absorbed and continues to ooze > almost forever.Think again about that scenic bridge tour,in a misty spritz.With > the fall season here,also remember that wet gooey leaves,are like slime snot > too.Let's try to keep our KLR's organic free.LOL > Just say NO to soil samples,bmwzzzing via savethetrees.org > > Jeffrey Doyle wrote: > > > Skip Faulkner wrote: > > > > > > List, > > > After hearing about an accident two of our local BMWMOA members had, I > > > thought I would pass along a little warning to those not familiar with the > > > dangers of the following. > > > Two friends went down while riding two up on a trip into B.C. Canada. > > > Let me first tell those that don`t know, wood and rubber don`t work well > > > together when the rubber is on your tire and the wood is on the road. If > > > you`ve ever lost it or almost lost it on a wooden bridge, you know what I > > > mean. What`s worse is if the bridge is damp ( early morning dew or > > > humidity), it`s like grease. What`s even worse than that is if the wooden > > > bridge is in a curve and damp, which is what happened to this couple. They > > > were driving down a rural road and went into a blind curve when the wet > > > bridge suddenly appears. With no time to react, they went down and went into > > > the railing. They were both hospitalized but doing ok and will recover. If > > > it weren`t for their protective gear, it would have been worse. > > > They`re nostalgic and rustic, but deadly to a motorcycle. Watch those > > > roads! > > > > > > Skip > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > > > for info. > > > > Thank you....It's on the list with manhole covers and railroad tracks. > > > > Jeff > > A2 > > AMA > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > > for info. > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:09:49 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Motorcycle stoplight blues: Anybody have a cure? Sometimes at the lights I know probably won't trigger, I ride up on the sidewalk and hit the crosswalk button, but only really late at night when coming home from class. I've found that the best luck is in the middle on the grease strip for tripping the sensors. If I don't trip them, I'll do one of two things; If a car is behind me, I'll pull as far forward as I can and motion for the car to pull forward and have him trip the sensor, or I'll just run the light if I made a reasonable attempt to trip the light. I too have been stopped by a cop for this, and after stating my case the officer immediatly let me go, saying he will make a note of it for the city engineer's office. Jeff > > > Moose or MSR skidplate helps get your bike "seen" at a stoplight. Guess it > presents a large metallic cross section to the magnetic flux sensors. I > noticed the difference when I had the moose plate removed. There is usually > a "sweet spot" in the pavement, that once found, will usually trigger the > light. I've had good luck riding right up on top of the visible traces in > the pavement, hitting the corners of the grid in the pavement, and planting > the sidestand momentarily on top. I never hesitate very long at a reluctant > light though, usually run them. Got caught red-handed once by a M/C Cop for > not waiting but he let me go. Nice Officer. > > Conall > > > >Alright, > > We all suffer from it: bike does not trigger the stoplight change > >circuitry. We cross that loop of wire buried in the asphalt and ... > >nothing. > > > > So, the question is: has anybody come up with a solution to this > >problem? Surely it's been solved!?!? Isn't there a magnetic field that a > >car > >disrupts by crossing the loop? Wouldn't it be enough to disrupt that > >magnetic field? Couldn't you do that with an electromagnet dangling from > >your bike? > > > > -Spike, waiting for the muse > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:11:23 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) feeler gauge > Hey, > Does anyone know where I can get a good feeler gauge? It's getting > close to that 5000 mile mark. > -MikeD > Sears and Roebucks. Sears Craftsman tools, accept no substitutes! Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:32:15 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Just bought a Y2KLR650 > << Settle" for the Bandit? Wouldn't that be tough... More bang for the buck? > It's the same price as the ZRX1100. The Bandit has 100 hp to the rear wheel > (wheelie monster); Has a comfortable riding position (as does the ZX1100); > Offers better wind protection than the ZRX1100 (important if you're using it > as a sport tourer); And is a better looking bike if you like a little > "attitude"... Then again, if "retro's" you're thing, you'd like the look of > the ZRX1100. >> > > > Let's see. ZRX gets fully adjustable suspsension front and back, braced > swing arm, 5.2 gallons of fuel, 15 liters of storage under the seat, 4way > flashers, KTRIC throttle sensor which delivers about 50mpg, liquid cooling > and great looks. > > I can piss just as good as anyone else ;-) > > Gino I haven't traced this thread from the start (I'm swamped, and email is a very low priority now, especially with duck, geese and pheasant season opening on Saturday), but I'm with you all the way there Gino. From the moment I laid eyes on the ZRX, I was totally in lust with it and no other street bike would do for me, except maybe a Honda ST 1100 (different animal entirely though). It totally reminds me of the summer I owned a bare neked KZ 1000 LTD. Awesome bike, huge metzler tire that I burned all the rubber off in less than 3000 miles, Kerker 4-1 pipe, truly one of the best Universal Japanese Machines ever built. How I envy your ZRX! I'm glad I can't afford one right now, because I just know that if I owned one, I'd incur many traffic violations, and the court costs would bankrupt me! Suzuki Bandit? Please! Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #986 ****************************