From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?? Date: 01 Jul 2000 02:47:10 EDT In a message dated 6/30/00 10:20:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, electric-jones@home.com writes: << Personally, I think the R-N-R hall of fame is a bit of a crock... >> R&R hall of fame.......Hummmmmm....Sounds like a scam!!!!!!!!!! Kraftwerk should by all rights be in there!!!!!!!!! In fact they should have been amoung the first to be admitted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you think of the influence KW's had over the years there shouldn't be any hesition to admit them!!!!!!!!! But I guess shit happens and you go on!!!!!! *snicker* However I do think Kraftwerk has been given the shaft on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rock & roll hall of fame seems to have become a big JOKE!!!! Not that I think that some of the bands in there aren't deserving but ((come on)) the other half in there shouldn't have ever been considered in the first place!!!!!! :-/ It kind of makes you wander what the criteria is to be admitted huh?!?!?!?! Hummm.....most_curious_indeed!!!! :-0 B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) Is Deutsche Telekom listening to KW on the team bus? Date: 01 Jul 2000 01:51:22 -0500 Is Jan Ullrich a Kraftwerk fan? Udo Bolts? Is Ullrich on the Schneider diet? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk domain Date: 01 Jul 2000 10:51:38 +0200 Found at: http://www.kraftwerk.ws/ Domain KRAFTWERK.WS Available The domain KRAFTWERK.WS is currently available to be registered. If you would like to register it, please click the button below. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk domaion Date: 01 Jul 2000 10:52:21 +0200 This domain name, "kraftwerk.nu", is available for registration! For more information on how to register your own .nu domain, along with a web address that can use Swedish, Spanish, Greek, Arabic, Japanese - in fact, nearly any language - go to the .NU Domain Ltd website at www.whats.nu DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Wickson" Subject: (kw) possible solutions to domain name controversy Date: 01 Jul 2000 03:36:45 PDT why not www.theartistsformerlyknownasorganisation.org? or www.thegermanwordforpowerplant.org? that way the URL of my new site would not appear so ungainly! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: Re: (kw) KW in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?? Date: 01 Jul 2000 13:25:31 +0200 R. D. wrote: > Kraftwerk is one of the 31 semi-finalists for the class of 2001... ...and they'd probably vote for the Stooges or MC5 themselves. - Tous =E0= v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: Re: (kw) Is Deutsche Telekom listening to KW on the team bus? Date: 01 Jul 2000 13:38:36 +0200 Bob VonMoss wondered: > Is Jan Ullrich a Kraftwerk fan? Well, the team site (http://fanshop.t-mall.de/cgi-bin/fanshop.storefront/= 1802144703/Catalog/18005) does barter a CD with Barots' re-recording of "Tour de France." And wasn= 't Ullrich a guest at the ZMK-gig? > Is Ullrich on the Schneider diet? He should jus' try taking the earring out ;) - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #449 Date: 01 Jul 2000 12:39:55 EDT Does anyone here own the "Maschinemensch" bootleg? I saw a couple of copies in a local record shop for about $20 (US), and was wondering if it would be worth buying. Any opinions are appreciated. Thank you! David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) just testing ! Date: 01 Jul 2000 20:37:00 +0200 (MET DST) let's see if this WERKs ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) i'm back again ... finally !!! *G+* ;-) Date: 01 Jul 2000 21:12:21 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! after a whole lot of trouble with this pretty shitty DOMOTOOL in the last week it seems that i've finally tricked it out by now !!! *BWG* ;-))) HURRAY !!! *G+* ;-) i'll wait another 24 hours for all the messages that i've send to this list to appear on it & if they don't appear here ... i'll send them all again from my new company account then !!! *sly_grin* ;-) anyway ... i hope that you all will enjoy the rest of your weekend !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) p. s. : to my mate " cee cee " : *WOW* !!! ;-) THAT was the quickest reply i'd ever get in my whole life !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... b4n !!! c u soon here again !!! ;-) ~\^/~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Re: Elektro-Kinetik album Date: 01 Jul 2000 22:51:26 +0200 On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:56:42 +0200, Glenn Folkvord wrote: >According to the press release, Yahoo wants to be the only place on the net you need to go for anything. Sounds alot like a case for the US anti-trust office....... I heard the same thing about Amazon.com.... Well , this is of topic here.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johannes Subject: (kw) Der Maschinenmensch Date: 02 Jul 2000 00:39:49 +0200 To answer your question, NO, it's not worth buying, it contains all kraftwerk songs, ripped from vinyl (*crrrsshhh*) and mixed togheter in a 60 minute long (horrible) song. //Johannes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) (KW)Concert Classics question Date: 02 Jul 2000 02:04:36 +0200 dr_who_dk@yahoo.dk writes: >Thanks man... I had a hard time figuring out what they >were saying, but it did sound funny.. =20 sorry, but I can=B4t translate Bundesdeutsch-German ;-) =20 > >Yours sincerelly >Kaspar D. Larsen =20 > >- currently sleeping, eating, drinikng and WERKing at >Roskilde Festival 2000 Hmm... That was=B4nt so funny these Year... =20 Regards ---joseph =20 > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 10:58:37 +0200 Actually, when I saw Kraftwerk at Roskilde, the pressure to the front = row was immense. I stood in direct contact with one of the vertical fences/steel-dividers, having attached my backpack to it (I had my SLR-camera in it, did _not_ want to loose it...). At several occasions = I was pushed VERY hard against the fence, resulting in a big, nasty looking = bruise at the right hip. You might expect a Kraftwerk audience to be calm and peaceful, but not = so. So - I'm not very surprised that accidents of this magnitude can happen = (and this is not only applicable to the Roskilde festival). /Joakim -----Original Message----- >- currently sleeping, eating, drinikng and WERKing at Roskilde = Festival 2000 Hmm... That was=B4nt so funny these Year... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 13:33:18 +0200 "Svensson, Joakim" wrote: > > You might expect a Kraftwerk audience to be calm and peaceful, but not so. mmm.. this was before the general dance audience found out about Kraftwerk. I'm old, so I was able to go to a concert in 1981, it was sort of an audience that goes to classical music, Philip Glass and Zappa. 10 years later it was much more the club scene and skin heads. 's all very well, but if you're sitting in a concert hall and the club headz are dancing in front of the first row of seats, those people have to stand up, blocking the view of the next row etc etc. In the end everyone was standing up. This is why at such concerts I'll try to find a balcony seat :) Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 16:42:14 +0200 (CEST) Damn.. I hate when this happens.. Anyway, I must agree that some of the more reecnt KW listeners / concert attenders have changed a bit in attitude. I recall, at Roskilde, that a rather large portion of the audience was standing outside the tent. But IMHO Kraftwerks music is not suitable for dancing, with the exception of Pocket Calculator. Yours sincerelly Kaspar D. Larsen - currently standing in the middle of Roskilde Festival trying to get a descent PC. ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 17:51:38 +0200 > But IMHO Kraftwerks music is not suitable for dancing, > with the exception of Pocket Calculator. I feel a "yes-you-can-dance-to-kraftwerk"-discussion coming on... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 11:56:29 EDT In a message dated 7/2/00 11:53:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kukeleku@bart.nl writes: << > But IMHO Kraftwerks music is not suitable for dancing, > with the exception of Pocket Calculator. I feel a "yes-you-can-dance-to-kraftwerk"-discussion coming on... >> *ROTFLOL* Isn't it possible 2 dance 2 anything with a beat?!?!?!?! However I don't dance but it would seem that KwK songs always have a really good beat to move 2!!!!!!! :-) B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 18:04:09 +0200 > *ROTFLOL* Isn't it possible 2 dance 2 anything with a beat?!?!?!?! > > However I don't dance but it would seem that KwK songs always have a really > good beat to move 2!!!!!!! :-) > > B4N, Wh@ = th=? R U the artist 4mly known as talented (surely you mean Prince?) ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 12:09:38 EDT In a message dated 7/2/00 12:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kukeleku@bart.nl writes: << Wh@ = th=? R U the artist 4mly known as talented (surely you mean Prince?) ;-) >> *LOL* Hummm....I wouldn't know who U R referring 2!?!?!? Do U not think that KwK songs Rn't danceable? Most_curious..... B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 18:24:18 +0200 > Do U not think that > KwK songs Rn't danceable? Most_curious..... I think there are more danceable than non-danceable KW records... Didn't hip hop started with TEE? I downloaded a mix a few dayz ago containing TdF! All dance-artist refer to KW as their influence (except the Vengaboyz)! Need more proof of KW danceability? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 12:28:50 EDT In a message dated 7/2/00 12:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kukeleku@bart.nl writes: << I think there are more danceable than non-danceable KW records... Didn't hip hop started with TEE? I downloaded a mix a few dayz ago containing TdF! All dance-artist refer to KW as their influence (except the Vengaboyz)! Need more proof of KW danceability? >> Auh....actually no but please go on with it!!!!!!!! I would love 2 hear this!!!!!!! ;-) Usless fact.....I can remember dancing to "The Robots" (from The Man Machine on vinyl!!!!!!) when I was 8 years old!!!! *LOL* B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 09:39:54 -0400 That sounds a little "elitist". What's wrong with the "dance" community being into Kraftwerk. I dare say that they've had a greater influence in the dance spectrum, even evolving that genre. Besides, NYC '98 had a beautiful mix of all kinds of people. To me, thats a good thing vs. going to see some stuffy, upper-crusty classical music performance.... I'd be willing to bet that R&F probably prefer the diversity in their audiences as well.. the true power of music.. Besides that, I think fans of Kraftwerk are a lot more repectful of each other than that debacle in Roskilde with Pearl Jam thank you.. just my opinion.... /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 7:33 AM > > "Svensson, Joakim" wrote: > > You might expect a Kraftwerk audience to be calm and peaceful, but not so. > mmm.. this was before the general dance audience found out about Kraftwerk. > I'm old, so I was able to go to a concert in 1981, it was sort of an audience > that goes to classical music, Philip Glass and Zappa. 10 years later it was > much more the club scene and skin heads. 's all very well, but if you're sitting > in a concert hall and the club headz are dancing in front of the first row of > seats, those people have to stand up, blocking the view of the next row etc etc. > In the end everyone was standing up. > > This is why at such concerts I'll try to find a balcony seat :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) just testing ... once again !!! *G+* ;-) Date: 02 Jul 2000 22:20:11 +0200 (MET DST) +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ KRAFTWERK RULES !!! +++ ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 02 Jul 2000 23:29:27 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 7/2/00 12:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kukeleku@bart.nl > writes: > > << I think there are more danceable than non-danceable KW records... > Didn't hip hop started with TEE? I downloaded a mix a few dayz ago > containing TdF! All dance-artist refer to KW as their influence (except the > Vengaboyz)! Need more proof of KW danceability? > >> > > Auh....actually no but please go on with it!!!!!!!! I would love 2 hear > this!!!!!!! ;-) Usless fact.....I can remember dancing to "The Robots" (from > The Man Machine on vinyl!!!!!!) when I was 8 years old!!!! *LOL* Of course are most Kraftwerk-songs good dancable music. Especially "Pocket calculator" or "TEE" at the live gigs. It also depends on the audience...when I saw them in Linz 1997, most people were just standing and listening...just a few guys dancing...while the crowd at Tribal or Roskilde got crazy. BTW, I was swinging to "Das Modell" two weeks ago or so at a clubbing...well, not really a dance song, but still a great song after 22 years. And of course the guys did a lot for dance music, but don't forget Giorgio Moroder. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" is also a classic nowdays. Yeah, ant the Vengaboys suck ;-). Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Dancable Kraftwerk (was: Re: (kw) Roskilde) Date: 02 Jul 2000 23:32:12 +0200 CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 7/2/00 12:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kukeleku@bart.nl > writes: > > << I think there are more danceable than non-danceable KW records... > Didn't hip hop started with TEE? I downloaded a mix a few dayz ago > containing TdF! All dance-artist refer to KW as their influence (except the > Vengaboyz)! Need more proof of KW danceability? > >> > > Auh....actually no but please go on with it!!!!!!!! I would love 2 hear > this!!!!!!! ;-) Usless fact.....I can remember dancing to "The Robots" (from > The Man Machine on vinyl!!!!!!) when I was 8 years old!!!! *LOL* > > B4N, > > Christian ;-) Of course are most Kraftwerk-songs good dancable music. Especially "Pocket calculator" or "TEE" at the live gigs. It also depends on the audience...when I saw them in Linz 1997, most people were just standing and listening...just a few guys dancing...while the crowd at Tribal or Roskilde got crazy. BTW, I was swinging to "Das Modell" two weeks ago or so at a clubbing...well, not really a dance song, but still a great song after 22 years. And of course the guys did a lot for dance music, but don't forget Giorgio Moroder. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" is also a classic nowdays. Yeah, ant the Vengaboys suck ;-). Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *-*-*- * "Wir sind die Roboter" + KRAFTWERK + http://www.kraftwerk.com * * EXPO 2000 + Mensch-Natur-Technik + http://www.expo2000.de * * * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) + ICQ: 53829477 * * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ + phone/SMS: +436765621850 * *-*-*-* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Dancable Kraftwerk (was: Re: (kw) Roskilde) Date: 02 Jul 2000 17:37:23 EDT In a message dated 7/2/00 5:32:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Georgie@blackbox.net writes: << Yeah, ant the Vengaboys suck ;-). >> *ROTFLOL* WHO????? << BTW, I was swinging to "Das Modell" two weeks ago or so at a clubbing...well, not really a dance song, but still a great song after 22 years. >> *he he* Well.....it has a beat huh!!!!! It is a great song 2!!!!!! ;-) B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: (kw) Cosmic Baby's "Tao 2000" Date: 02 Jul 2000 20:05:57 -0400 Every time I listen to track "Tao 2000" off the "Thinking About Myself" album by Cosmic Baby, I keep thinking of Kraftwerk's "Music Non-stop." It must be that "don't stop" sample and some of the synths and samples used in track. Does anyone else see this little resemblance/influence? Or is it me thinking too hard? - Uksi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) " family business " !!! *LOL* ;-))) Date: 03 Jul 2000 03:17:23 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! if you want to enjoy a really good laugh , then pay a visit @ this site : http://www.emimusic.de/index.html?theframe=/artists/kraftwerk/index.html & click on "gaestebuch" to find out that ralf's brother , florian's sister , wolfgang's nephew , karl's unKle & emil's son are among those people who "intruded" this guestbook currently !!! *hehehe* ;-))) fyi : most of the "comments" there are written in german !!! however ... have *FUN* !!! *BWG* ;-))) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) OHM Date: 03 Jul 2000 08:04:36 GMT I also purchased this recently, although the only reason I bought it was because it was called 'La Monte Young:Dockstad' in the catalogue. I really rather like it. My girlfriend said it was scary, but it's rich with early analogue squeals and experiments. Fantastic stuff - perhaps I was too hasty in expecting Kraftwerk to be included... MLarge ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) OHM Date: 03 Jul 2000 08:04:36 GMT I also purchased this recently, although the only reason I bought it was because it was called 'La Monte Young:Dockstad' in the catalogue. I really rather like it. My girlfriend said it was scary, but it's rich with early analogue squeals and experiments. Fantastic stuff - perhaps I was too hasty in expecting Kraftwerk to be included... MLarge ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Org and Com Date: 29 Jun 2000 12:49:40 +0100 Whether it's a convention or a rule (which I didn't actually say Klaus) it's still what their _intended_ use was for..... Jules > > > > I was under the impression that '.org' suffixes are > > reserved for non-profit organisations, such as charities and social > > organisations. If this is the intended case, > > No, it isn't. It's just a convention, but no rule. The rules for > registering "com" and "org" domains are identical. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) www.egroups.com/messages/kraftwerkfans !!! *G+* ;-) Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:14:11 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! i've decided NOT to re-post ALL of my messages that didn't make it to this list in the last four or five days !!! ( well ... i bet that some of you will shout out " thank god !!! " now !!!*LOL* ;-))) anyway ... i've just written the link in the subject-line where you can find ALL messages that i've NOT re-posted here or that only belongs to the kwf egroups list then !!! *BWG* ;-))) however ... enjoy reading it ... or maybe not !!! that's up to you by now !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~\^/~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) www.egroups.com/messages/kraftwerkfans !!! *G+* ;-) Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:34:44 +0200 Can I propose a test site for V2's near your provider? Rick Jansen cybernetx@lycos.de wrote: > > hi kwf's ! > > i've decided NOT to re-post ALL of my messages that didn't make it to this list in the last four or five days !!! ( well ... i bet that some of you will shout out " thank god !!! " now !!!*LOL* ;-))) > > anyway ... i've just written the link in the subject-line where you can find ALL messages that i've NOT re-posted here or that only belongs to the kwf egroups list then !!! *BWG* ;-))) > > however ... enjoy reading it ... or maybe not !!! that's up to you by now !!! *G+* ;-) rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) >> OFF TOPIK RED ALERT !!! << mail-bombing on the kraftwerk mailing list !!! *LOL* ;-))) Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:43:23 +0200 (MET DST) rick jansen wrote : >> Can I propose a test site for V2's near your provider? << HUH ??? *most_curious* well ... i think v2's are very outdated by now !!! *BWG* ;-))) what about a test site for cruise missiles near your home , eh ??? *LOL* ;-))) however ... many *sunny* greetinx to you all from bremen in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~\^/~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Org and Com Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:05:59 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > Whether it's a convention or a rule (which I didn't actually say Klaus) it's > still what their _intended_ use was for..... But you did say the .org names were "reserved" for non-profit organisations. Not that it matters a jot, but just remember, Klaus is a stickler for this sort of thing and hasn't lost a case yet... Rick Jansen wrote: > Can I propose a test site for V2's near your provider? I'm wearing my "Oh Jay is OK" T-shirt right now. Nothing wrong with the guy that they can't fix with ECT once they catch him. (That'd get him voller Energie *ROTFLOLAIchbindiefescheLOLALOLA*). K The new voice of Dogbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Building sites - 2nd storey Date: 03 Jul 2000 09:16:05 +0100 I wrote: > You'll have seen the first half of this email, but it seems the listserv ate > the second half, so here's a repost! Amazing, the 2nd half disappeared again. Here's the 2nd exciting instalment again, and if this fails I promise I'll give up! ;-) Kevin resident list bore ----------- repost ---------------- I am of course familiar with the literal meaning ("collapsing new buildings" is the "standard" translation of the group's name, but "tumbling new buildings" sounds more jolly!). >>>> "Ghost in the machine" puns at your discretion! > I'm still not sure if I understand this correctly. A phrase originally from Behaviourism, attacking the idea of a ghostly/spiritual presence controlling one's physical body rather than being, for instance, a function of it. The phrase is, I think, fairly widely known, due not least, I would guess, to the album 'The Ghost in the Machine' by the Police! > "Geist in der Maschine" macht Wortspiel an ihrer Vorsicht - ?????? "'Ghost in the Machine' makes puns to your caution"? Now I am lost. :-) Best Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Subject: (kw) Werk on... Date: 03 Jul 2000 15:06:55 +0200 As Klingklang seem to be out of power, here is some sound pollution =66rom from Sweden. http://www.mp3.com/stations/saswerk=20 Robot translation: *GZZZ* ** AZZZZZ *kewl* Klingklang (*KLINGKLUNNG* M3 likezzs muchu*) ciiiiim 2B out ;_))))) of *NUUUUUUKL=C4R* p=C5wR*, lizn to diiiiiiiis *POMPUPYOURROMPAAAAA* /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) what's wrong with the technical status of this list ??? *most_curious_indeed* :-/ Date: 03 Jul 2000 22:49:42 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! well ... i've waited for DAYS that my messages will appear on this list !!! but THEY DON'T APPEAR !!! :-/ i've send them from another e-mail account & only some of them appear on the list ... by now !!! :-/ WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TECHNICAL STATUS OF THIS LIST ??? *most_curious_indeed* :-/ btw : i'm now under the impression that "something" ( maybe this pretty shitty DOMOTOOL ??? :-/ ) or - most likely ! - "somebody" is "filtering" & / or "moderating" messages to this list !!! *very_curious_&_a_lil'_angry_too* :-/ can somebody please tell me if he or she got the same problems recently ??? *just_curious* fyi : if this message won't make it to the list in the next 24 hours , i'll quit sending something to this list & go back to lurk around here for some time & maybe answer some of your posts in private then !!! that's all i can do by now !!! *grim* :-/ i'm really sick & tired of the technical status of this list !!! *deep_sigh* :-/ WHY IS IT SOOO SCREWED UP ??? *still_curious_after_all* :-/ however ... many greetinx 2 U all from the rainy bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de 1 of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) what's wrong with the technical status of this list ??? Date: 03 Jul 2000 14:50:16 -0700 >my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de I went to check this out, and it kept freezing up my computer while each page loaded! How did you program the pages to take such a long time and lock up the web browser like that? It's devious! ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: Re: (kw) what's wrong with the technical status of this list ??? *most_curious_indeed* :-/ Date: 03 Jul 2000 22:58:12 +0100 > can somebody please tell me if he or she got the same problems recently ??? *just_curious* Not recently, but when I first joined (6 months ago), I was unable to see any messages I posted. After setting up a Hotmail account I had no problems. So I concluded it was something to do with my Internet Service Provider. Maybe you have the same problem? Keep Werking John Shilcock http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dawn/KeepWerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 04 Jul 2000 00:06:29 +0200 joakim.svensson@capgemini.se writes: > > I stood in direct contact with one of the vertical >fences/steel-dividers, having attached my backpack to it (I had my >SLR-camera in it, did _not_ want to loose it...). Hmm, that reminds me to my visite in Luton Hoo (also with my backpack )... 15 000 people in those tent, that began to move during the performance... ---joseph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Machinenemensch Date: 03 Jul 2000 17:41:56 -0600 I have one thing to say: GOOD LORD NO!!! It's incredibly awful. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry LaCost Jr Subject: Re: (kw) Machinenemensch Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:52:43 -0700 (PDT) I'll second that. And their sequel; Der Robotmix is terrible as well. Among the 65 total tracks these 2 CDs possess, about the only good track comes from Der Robotmix (track 32... die roboter). Otherwise, these are 2 CDs you should avoid like the plague. Larry... - I have one thing to say: GOOD LORD NO!!! It's incredibly awful. - - Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) what's wrong with the technical status of this list ??? *most_curiou... Date: 03 Jul 2000 20:22:57 EDT In a message dated 7/3/00 6:08:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jason@issaonline.com writes: << >my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de I went to check this out, and it kept freezing up my computer while each page loaded! How did you program the pages to take such a long time and lock up the web browser like that? It's devious! ---Jason Polland >> Hummm.....I had no trouble @ all!!!!! Must B Ur browser R somethin'!!!! I'm still reading it and I think it's not boring @ all!!!!! I find it most_interesting......lots of information under secret projects!!!! =:-0 Man...2 many of these ((!!!!!!)) Well..it jus' indicates a lot of emotion...i suppose!!!!! *LOL* Hummmm.....NTS: must lower emotional levels in microchip....settings R way 2 high!!!! *LOL*;-) B4N , Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 04 Jul 2000 13:11:34 +0200 I had another problem at Roskilde - I had managed to get my SLR-camera, a 300mm telescope lens and high sensitivity film into the arena and into the tent. I managed to take 3-4 pictures before the front lens was steamed over. It was hot, there was no wind and the humidity was high. I managed to take another few pictures, but the 5 rolls of film in my pack pack remained unexposed. /Joakim -----Original Message----- >...(I had my SLR-camera in it, did _not_ want to loose it...). Hmm, that reminds me to my visite in Luton Hoo (also with my backpack )... 15 000 people in those tent, that began to move during the performance... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) if not kw then maybe ... Date: 04 Jul 2000 19:25:51 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! we've waited for a remix single of expo 2000 since last dec. & there's NOTHING until now !!! :-/ we've waited for a new album of kw since 9 years ( if you include their " digitally converted " ;-) " best of ... " compilation called " the mix " ;-) or maybe since 14 years ( if you don't included " the mix " ;-) & there's NOTHING until now !!! :-/ so what can be a good alternative to listen to , if it's NOT kw itself ??? *most_curious* well ... here are some "offers" of mine : 1.) the album kw would like to make - if they even had the chance !!! *G+* ;-) anthony rother's >> simulationszeitalter << on his own german psi49net label !!! 2.) ex-kw member karl bartos' best ( imho ;-) remix so far : anthony rother's ( once again ;-) >> little computer people << also on his own psi49net label !!! 3.) my favorite e.p. or 12" single of this year so far : redagain p. & keen k. >> urlaub am strand e.p. << on the german low-fi stereo ( electro edition ;-) label !!! 4.) one of my all-time favorite " classic trax " : tricky disco >> alphabet soup ( excuse me waiter ... mix ;-) << on the english warp label !!! btw : it's the b-side of their 12" single >> house fly << from 1991 !!! ;-) but PLEASE DON'T ASK ME if there are ANY MP3 FILES of those above mentioned releases " out there " ( somewhere in the "webwideworld" ;-) !!! i haven't got the slightest clue !!! sorry !!! :-/ however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo Ponz" Subject: RE: (kw) Der Maschinenmensch Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:55:14 +0200 Johannes > To answer your question, NO, it's not worth buying, it contains all > kraftwerk songs, ripped from vinyl (*crrrsshhh*) > and mixed togheter in a 60 minute long (horrible) song. If you like trance hardcore techno, you'd like the album. I think the mix is very powerful. Not to listen everyday, but when you need some power-up, better to do it with a high-speed low-bass Kraftwerk mix! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo Ponz" Subject: RE: (kw) possible solutions to domain name controversy Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:49:29 +0200 Jim Wickson wrote: > > why not www.theartistsformerlyknownasorganisation.org? > or www.thegermanwordforpowerplant.org? Hey, that two choices are just GREAT!! I guess some kw fan has already registered them since you post the names! ha ha # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) vocals Date: 05 Jul 2000 04:22:43 -0700 DQoNCj5EYXRlOiBNb24sIDI2IEp1biAyMDAwIDE5OjM1OjU4ICswMjAwDQo+RnJvbTogR3Vu bmFyLldlc3NAdC1vbmxpbmUuZGUgKFdlc3MpDQo+VG86IEtSQUZUV0VSSyA8a3JhZnR3ZXJr QGxpc3RzLnhtaXNzaW9uLmNvbT4NCj5TdWJqZWN0OiAoa3cpIHZvY2Fscw0KPg0KPg0KPkRv ZXMgYW55Ym9keSBrbm93cyB3aG8gc3Bva2UgdGhlIHZvY2FscyBvbiAiRGVudGFrdSIgMTk4 MT8gSXQgZG9lc24ndA0KPnNlZW0gdG8gYmUgb25lIG9mIHRoZSBLJ3dlcmtlcnMgYnV0IGEg cmVhbCBqYXBhbmVzZSBtYW4uDQoNCkFzIHRoZSBzdG9yeSBnb2VzIChJIHRoaW5rIEkgcmVh ZCBpdCBpbiBBa3Rpdml05HQpLCB0aGUgdHJhbnNsYXRvci8gYmFjay11cCBzaW5nZXIgaXMg Y3JlZGl0ZWQgYnkgbmFtZSBvbiB0aGUgaW5uZXIgc2xlZXZlIG9mIHRoZSBhbGJ1bS4gTGlr ZSBldmVyeW9uZSBlbHNlLCBoZSdzIGJ1cnllZCBpbiBhIGh1Z2UgbGlzdCBvZiBuYW1lcywg d2l0aCBubyBoaW50IGFzIHRvIHdoYXQgaGUgZGlkLCBidXQgaG93IG1hbnkgSmFwYW5lc2Ug bmFtZXMgYXJlIHRoZXJlIG9uIHRoZSBsaXN0Pw0KSXQncyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSB0d28g dm9pY2VzLCB0aGUgb3RoZXIgUmFsZidzLg0KDQpUVQ0KDQoNCg0KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tDQpTdXBwb3J0 IFRlYW0gLyBQb3JuSW5kdXN0cnkuY29tIC8gd2VibWFzdGVyQHBvcm5pbmR1c3RyeS5jb20N Cg0KDQo= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) some questions Date: 05 Jul 2000 04:54:29 -0700 DQoNCj5Gcm9tOiAiUXVhbWFyIFphaHJhIiA8cGFzY2FsX3FAaG90bWFpbC5jb20+DQo+VG86 IGtyYWZ0d2Vya0BsaXN0cy54bWlzc2lvbi5jb20NCj5TdWJqZWN0OiAoa3cpIHNvbWUgcXVl c3Rpb25zDQo+RGF0ZTogU3VuLCAyNSBKdW4gMjAwMCAwNzo1NTozMCBQRFQNCj4NCj4NCj5J IGp1c3Qgb2d0IHNvbWUgcXVlc3Rpb25zDQo+DQo+MykgV2hhdCBoYXBwZW5lZCB0byB0aGUg dmlkZW8gZGlzYyBSK0YgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHRhbGtpbmcgYWJvdXQgZm9yIGFib3V0IDIwIA0K PnNvbWUgb2RkIHllYXJzPw0KDQpXaGF0IGhhcHBlbmVkIHRvIHZpZGVvIGRpc2NzPyBJZiB0 aGUgZ3JvdXAgaW50ZW5kZWQgdG8gbWFrZSB0aGVpciB2aWRlb3MgYXZhaWxhYmxlIG9uIHZp ZGVvIGRpc2Mgb25seSwgdGhleSBtaWdodCBhcyB3ZWxsIG5vdCBib3RoZXIuDQpCeSBub3cs IGV2ZW4gbGFzZXJkaXNjIGlzIGR5aW5nLiBUaGUgZ3JvdXAgbWlnaHQgYmUgY29uY2lkZXJp bmcgYSBEVkQsIGJ1dCB0aGV5IG1vc3QgY2VydGFpbmx5IHdpbGwgbm90IGJlIGFibGUgdG8g Z2V0IGl0IHRvZ2V0aGVyIGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgbmV4dCBmb3JtYXQgY2hhbmdlLi4uIGFuZCB0 aGVyZSBpcyB0aGUgc2xpZ2h0IHByb2JsZW0gdGhhdCBhbGwgdGhlIGZvb3RhZ2UgZmVhdHVy ZXMgdGhlaXIgYXJjaC1lbmVtaWVzLiBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgYWxsIHRoYXQgbXVjaCBhYm91 dCB3aGF0IGhhcyBnb25lIG9uIGluc2lkZSBSYWxmIEh1dHRlciBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIGxhc3Qg ZmlmdGVlbiB5ZWFycywgYnV0IGlmIGhlIHN1ZXMgV29sZmdhbmcgRmz8ciBmb3IgY2xhaW1p bmcgdG8gcGxheSBvbiBBdXRvYmFobiAoYSBjbGFpbSBoZSBoaW1zZWxmIHN1YnN0YW50aWF0 ZWQgaW4gdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIGxpbmVyIG5vdGVzKSBhbmQgcmVtb3ZlcyBoaXMgZmFjZSBm cm9tIFRvdXIgZGUgRnJhbmNlLCBpdCdzIGEgY2xlYXIgc2lnbiBoZSdzIGhvbGRpbmcgYSBm ZXcgZ3J1ZGdlcy4NCkFuZCBLcmFmdHdlcmsncyB3b3JrLXJhdGUuLi4gb25lIHBvc3NpYmxl IHJlYXNvbiBpcywgUmFsZiBpcyBzbyBiaXR0ZXIgYW5kIGlzb2xhdGVkIGJ5IG5vdywgaGUn cyBhcHByb2FjaGluZyByaWdvciBtb3J0aXMuIA0KU28sIGxldCdzIGZhY2UgaXQ7IHRoZXJl J2xsIG5ldmVyIGJlIGFueSBuZXcgbWF0ZXJpYWwgZXZlciwgdGhlcmUgd2lsbCBuZXZlciBi ZSBhbnkgY29tcGV0ZW50bHkgbWFzdGVyZWQgQ0QgZWRpdGlvbnMgKFRoZSBUb3VyIGRlIEZy YW5jZSBBbmFsb2d1ZSBLbGluZyBLbGFuZyBtaXggd2FzIG5vdCBpbnRlbmRlZCBhcyBhIHBy YW5rOyB0aGF0IHJlYWxseSB3YXMgYWxsIHRoZXkgd2VyZSBhYmxlIHRvIGRvLSBJIHRoaW5r ISksIGFuZCB0aGVyZSB3aWxsIG5ldmVyIGJlIGFueSBjb2xsZWN0aW9ucyBvZiB1bnJlbGVh c2VkIG1hdGVyaWFsIG9yIGFueXRoaW5nLiBBcyBmb3IgdmlkZW9zLCB0aGUgYmFuZCBoYXMg ZWRpdGVkIEthcmwgYW5kIFdvbGZnYW5nIG91dCBvZiB0aGUgTXVzaWMgTm9uIFN0b3Agdmlk ZW8gdGhhdCBhcHBlYXJzIGluIGNvbmNlcnRzIChhdCBMaW56LCBhbnl3YXkpLCBJIGRvbid0 IGV4cGVjdCB0aGVtIHRvIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gZGVhbCB3aXRoIHRoZSBlbW90aW9uYWwgcGFp biBvZiBldmVuIGxvb2tpbmcgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGUgbWF0ZXJpYWwsIGxldCBhbG9uZSBwcmVw YXJpbmcgaXQgZm9yIHJlbGVhc2UuDQoNCg0KPjQpRGlkIFIrRiBkbyBhbnkgZHJ1Z3MgYmFj ayBpbiB0aGUgZGF5PyBZb3UgdGhpbmsgdGhleSBzdGlsbCBtaWdodD8gKEpzdCANCj5jdXJp b3VzIGlmIHRoZXknZSBkb3duIHdpdGggdGhlIGdyZWVuIHRoaW5nKQ0KDQpLbGF1cyBEaW5n ZXIgcmVjb21tZW5kcyBwb2xpdGljYWwgbGVhZGVycyB0byB0cnkgTFNEIGFuZCBpcyBhIGtu b3duIHBvdCBzbW9rZXIuIChIZSBzdGlsbCBwbGF5ZWQgSmFwYW4sIHdoZXJlIHN1cHBsaWVz IGFyZSBlcnJhdGljLCBzbyBoZSBjYW4gZG8gd2l0aG91dCB3aGVuIGhlIGhhcyB0by4pIFJh bGYgYW5kIEZsb3JpYW4gaGF2ZSBtZW50aW9uZWQgZ29pbmcgdG8gYSBTdG9ja2hhdXNlbiBj b25jZXJ0IG9uIExTRCBzb21ldGltZSBpbiB0aGUgZWFybHkgc2V2ZW50aWVzLiBGbPxyJ3Mg Ym9vayBpcyB0aGluIG9uIGRydWcgc3RvcmllcywgYnV0IHBsZW50eSBvZiBhbGNvaG9sIGlz IGRydW5rOyB3aW5lIHdpdGggbWVhbHMsIHN0cm9uZ2VyIHN0dWZmIGF0IHBhcnRpZXMuDQoN ClRVDQoNCg0KDQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NClN1cHBvcnQgVGVhbSAvIFBvcm5JbmR1c3RyeS5jb20gLyB3 ZWJtYXN0ZXJAcG9ybmluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbQ0KDQoNCg== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Date: 05 Jul 2000 05:01:21 -0700 >From: "Klaus Zaepke" >To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:36:51 +0000 >Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) >Reply-to: k_z@gmx.de > >BTW: Why do you write that they've sued you? If your description of >their letter is complete, then they've simply asked you to stop a >trademark infringement and to cover the lawyer fees, nothing more. > > Klaus Zaepke Good point. And let me add that the Mp3s will need to be cleared with the publisher; it doesn't matter who's playing them, the songwriters still wrote them. The publisher might demand an extortionate amount of money or refuse permission; a website is not a record label and standard agreements might not apply. TU Support Team / PornIndustry.com / webmaster@pornindustry.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Building sites - 2nd storey Date: 05 Jul 2000 12:20:34 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > I am of course familiar with the literal meaning ("collapsing new > buildings" is the "standard" translation of the group's name, but "tumbling > new buildings" sounds more jolly!). Then, why not "tumbledown new buildings"?, it sounds even more jolly! :-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) kw footage & stuff Date: 05 Jul 2000 16:03:59 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! tjodolf ulriksen wrote : >> By now, even laserdisc is dying. << that's indeed really interesting , because in early '97 florian mentioned i= n an interview with me in berlin that there are " some people " re-recordin= g old kw footage from laserdisc to " another media " !!! i suppose "they" h= ave been finished the re-recording by now !!! *G+* ;-) but who really knows= it then ?! *sly_grin* ;-) >> The group might be concidering a DVD, but they most certainly will not b= e able to get it together before the next format change... << WHY THAT ??? *just_curious* kw have some really intelligent people who work for them on various project= s like re-recording their old footage & "synchronizing" it on video for the= ir concerts & also the guys who make their websites & stuff !!! ;-) >> and there is the slight problem that all the footage features their arch= -enemies. << *hehehe* ;-))) well ... that's DEFINITELY NOT their problem !!! *another_sl= y_grin_here_again* ;-))) karl & wolfgang & any other person who was once a kw member & didn't fit in= their current "line-up" will simply be "edited" out of the footage & stuff= by their " helping hands " !!! *G+* ;-) [ skipping some part here ! ] =20 >> So, let's face it; there'll never be any new material ever, << that's DEFINITELY WRONG !!! :-/ what about the three new songs they've already played live then , eh ??? *m= ost_curious* two other "trax" were nearly finished & played as a kind of " sound check "= on a few concerts also !!! so what ?!?!?! ;-) >> there will never be any competently mastered CD editions (The Tour de Fr= ance Analogue Kling Klang mix was not intended as a prank; that really was = all they were able to do- I think!), << hm ? WHY ??? i pretty much doubt that !!! ;-) >> and there will never be any collections of unreleased material or anythi= ng. << well ... that's for sure by now !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) >> As for videos, the band has edited Karl and Wolfgang out of the Music No= n Stop video that appears in concerts (at Linz, anyway), I don't expect the= m to be able to deal with the emotional pain of even looking through the ma= terial, let alone preparing it for release. << as i've mentioned above "THEY" ( ralf & florian ;-) haven't got to do this = !!! ;-) their " helping hands " will do it for them !!! *G+* ;-) " wir sind auf alles programmiert & was du willst wird ausgef=FChrt !!! " *= slyest_grin_in_the_whole_"webwideworld"_now* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) if not kw then maybe ... ( part 2 ;-) Date: 05 Jul 2000 20:04:54 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! well ... according to the "overwhelming" reaction to " part 1 " of this thr= ead ( 3 private mails are not too bad i suppose , eh ?! ;-) , i've got some= " additional facts " to come up with !!! ;-) 1.) & 2.) anthony rother's album >> simulationszeitalter << & some of his s= ingles ( incl. the really marvelous >> T.E.E. << cover version & karl barto= s' remix of >> little computer people << !!! ;-) can be ordered from the fo= llowing address on the net : http://www.mizzo.com/cgi-bin/store.front?commi= d=3DPSI49NET&extpage=3Dpsi49net for a reasonable price !!! ;-) his own website can be found @ www.psi49net.de !!! ( very simply , isn't it= ??? ;-) 3.) redagain p. & keen k. 's website can be found @ www.starschnitt.com ( i= ncl. all available info to the specific "products" a.k.a. releases of them = so far !!! ;-) 4.) as far as i know , the >> house fly << single by tricky disco has becom= e very rarely available on cd or even 12" !!! :-/ a slight chance to get one will be warp rec. very own "mart" on the net @ w= ww.warp-net.com !!! ;-) 5.) also " highly recommended " are the following linx : - www.elektrolux.com ( home of the >> space night << & >> elektro codes << = compilation series & many more interesting electro artists !!! ;-) - www.submerge.com ( detroit's underground network @ its best !!! ;-) - www.undergroundresistance.com ( home of UR & drexciya !!! what more there= is to say ??? ;-) check it out NOW !!! ;-) " radio sender & h=F6rer sind wir , spielen im =E4ther das wellenklavier !!= ! " *bleep* *clonk* *zong* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Flatz Wunderkind Date: 05 Jul 2000 14:38:38 -0600 Okay I finally received my Flatz WUNDERKIND single, and I like it! Not sure why, but I do... it's nothing Earth-shattering, but has a nice groove. So my question is: Is the rest of Flatz's album along these lines, and was the whole album co-produced by Bartos? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) A Portrait of Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine Date: 05 Jul 2000 17:03:24 +0200 Very funny: A. Fletcher, former(?) Depeche Mode member, dressed in a Man-Machine attire: http://depechemode.com/archive/BRAT_Archive/Tour/singlestour/WIMS_stills.html Ciao, *luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Flatz Wunderkind / Love & Violence Date: 06 Jul 2000 14:01:38 +0200 > Okay I finally received my Flatz WUNDERKIND single, and I like it! Not sure > why, but I do... it's nothing Earth-shattering, but has a nice groove. So my > question is: Is the rest of Flatz's album along these lines, and was the > whole album co-produced by Bartos? > > Mike I have to admit the album ("Love & Violence", i bought it yesterday) is better than the single. Especially the limited edition's digipak art work gives some impressions of Flatz' work. But exactly that is my problem with this record: Even if you have seen only one of the powerful live art performances of Flatz, his playing with body power, violence associations and the violence readiness of the spectators, then the whole CD remains at least unsatisfactory. It's all too harmless, too much without obligation. Flatz is not really a singer, his lyrics are poor, also Karl's music is not able to give an impression of a real Flatz performance. I think, sometimes the CD would have needed only a heavy distorted metal guitar to sound more adequate, but it's not there ... and so it's music without body. The lyrics of "Deutschen Die" after all are quite funny - you have to read the text from end to start. Superfluously the CD contains sociological opening and closing statements on the social functions of violence and borderlines which are (I'm sorry) really *very* plain. All music is composed and played by Karl Bartos. So, over all, "Love & Violence" is not a bad record. IMHO, the **1/2 rate from Rolling Stone magazine is okay. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Leftfield Date: 05 Jul 2000 17:25:23 +0200 Quoted from Billboard US Online Magazine http://www.billboard.com/daily/feature/leftfield.html: Leftfield has refined its nu-house foundation while delving deeper into Jamaican dub, Detroit techno, Kraftwerk-skewed electro, and kaleidoscopic rays of ambient light. End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Another cover of The Model Date: 05 Jul 2000 18:56:35 +0200 The European version of Chris Whitley's album "Dirt Floor" (Messenger/Sony, 1999) features an acoustic cover version of Kraftwerk's "The Model" recorded in the New York singer/songwriter's home studio. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Trans Am Date: 05 Jul 2000 17:44:51 +0200 Quoted from http://www.billboard.com/daily/feature/0526transam.asp Baltimore-based rock/electronic act Trans Am has compiled hard-to-find singles, live tracks, and other oddities for "You Can Always Get What You Want," due June 6 from Thrill Jockey. The 17-track disc offers a revealing view of the evolution of a band whose catalog has been influenced by everyone from vintage rockers such as ZZ Top and Rush to the pre-new wave synthesized sounds of Kraftwerk and Devo. End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Yo fui un Robot Date: 06 Jul 2000 15:47:58 +0200 From http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-1368282-6754427 I Was A Robot by Wolfgang Flur. Paperback Our Price:$14.95 Not Yet Published Paperback - 350 pages 1 edition (October 1, 2000) Sanctuary Pub Ltd; ISBN: 186074320X This item will be published on October 1, 2000. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1,935,001 DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) kw footage & stuff Date: 06 Jul 2000 06:06:12 -0700 DQoNCj5Gcm9tOiBjeWJlcm5ldHhAbHljb3MuZGUNCj5Ubzoga3JhZnR3ZXJrQGxpc3RzLnht aXNzaW9uLmNvbQ0KPlN1YmplY3Q6IChrdykga3cgZm9vdGFnZSAmIHN0dWZmIA0KPkNjOiBr cmFmdHdlcmtmYW5zQGVncm91cHMuY29tDQo+RGF0ZTogV2VkLCAgNSBKdWwgMjAwMCAxNjow Mzo1OSArMDIwMCAoTUVUIERTVCkNCj4NCj4NCj5oaSBrd2YncyAhDQo+DQo+dGpvZG9sZiB1 bHJpa3NlbiB3cm90ZSA6DQo+DQo+Pj4gQnkgbm93LCBldmVuIGxhc2VyZGlzYyBpcyBkeWlu Zy4gPDwNCj4NCj50aGF0J3MgaW5kZWVkIHJlYWxseSBpbnRlcmVzdGluZyAsIGJlY2F1c2Ug aW4gZWFybHkgJzk3IGZsb3JpYW4gbWVudGlvbmVkIGluIGFuIGludGVydmlldyB3aXRoIG1l IGluIGJlcmxpbiB0aGF0IHRoZXJlIGFyZSAiIHNvbWUgcGVvcGxlICIgcmUtcmVjb3JkaW5n IG9sZCBrdyBmb290YWdlIGZyb20gbGFzZXJkaXNjIHRvICIgYW5vdGhlciBtZWRpYSAiICEh ISBpIHN1cHBvc2UgInRoZXkiIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBmaW5pc2hlZCB0aGUgcmUtcmVjb3JkaW5n 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) HELP! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) old & new kw / ralf & florian vs. karl & wolfgang etc. Date: 06 Jul 2000 18:06:02 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! tjodolf ulriksen wrote ( again ;-) : >> Yes, let's not forget their website; always plenty of new stuff there- sly grin. << well ... the first "attempt" from kw on the net under www.kraftwerk.com was indeed not very interesting !!! :-/ but their new website under www.kraftwerk.org ... err ... www.kraftwerk.de is much better & very up-to-date imho !!! *G+* ;-))) >> There has been a ham-fisted effort to do this to the Music Non Stop video; it would be possible to do it to the Telephone Call video as well, since the band members don't appear in the same shot. They'd have to redo the vocals, though. (Note clever use of preposition.) As for the others- have you seen the picture of Mao, where the gang of four has been brushed out? There are four painfully obvious gaping holes in the crowd. Would you be interested in a whole video that looked like that? << NOPE !!! *G+* ;-) but the current state of technology is much better than it was even in '97 or earlier !!! ;-) so i suppose if " the right people " will update kw's footage & stuff , it will turn out well & "visible" after all !!! ;-) >> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting and remixing. << well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll ask florian , he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) >> This happened in 1997, and it's already three years ago. (The same time span as from "Autobahn" to "TEE".) I'm not expecting Ralf, in his current emotional state, to be able to pull himself together after a blow like that. Of course, I'm writing about future events, so you can always say that I can't prove I'm right. But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the record industry. << okay ! that may be true , but kw "operate" in their very own " time zone " !!! *LOL* ;-))) >> Yes, so what? The three bits that were finished sound nice enough, but they lack lyrics and melodies. For all talk about 'guest artists' and 'core members', has there been any suggestions that the band is able to write a pop song without Emil Schult and Karl Bartos? << WHY should there be (many)lyrics & (much) melodies ??? *just_curious* nowadays eleKtroniK musiK WERKs even better as a "traKK" than a "(pop)song" !!! ;-) so WHO really NEEDS emil & karl - maybe besides the " old school kw fans ! ;-) - if fritz & henning can fill in their places as " engineers for modern kw sound " then ??? *very_curious_indeed* ;-) >> True, they did get it together to make "EXPO 2000", but the lyrics are only the slogan for the expo, and it took some pretty extreme pressure to shame the group into putting it out. I don't think any other band has had to survive such a humiliating media barrage, or deserved it so well. (I am, of course, referring to the so-called jingles.) << expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all !!! believe me !!! ;-) the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ralf & florian !!! so some of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back to their "mix" period then !!! ;-) kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club scene & its overall sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) >> So you mean, that sound of a BASF C60 that has been filtered for tape hiss, where the drums have all the energy of cooked spaghetti, is really a prank after all? I hope so too. The "Expo 2000" single offers some evidence that they're not completely cloth-eared yet; I worship the bass sounds. But as for decently remastered editions of the six albums, don't hold your breath. << the re-issue of tour de france & the expo 2000 single were just " WERKs in commission " to satisfy their record company emi music & their fans & - last but not least ! ;-) - the expo organisation itself !!! that's all there is !!! ;-) btw : i pretty much doubt that kw themselves are interested in re-releasing their old(er) material ( kw 1 & 2 , r & f ) once again !!! :-/ >> This idea is conjured out of thin air. Maybe, maybe someone is editing the gang of two out of the material. Maybe, maybe it will eventually be released in some form. Nothing has been announced yet, and I distinctly remember the Tour de France reissue being announced as early as 1994. All I know is, the footage is full of images of the people Ralf and Florian least want to see, and they won't be easy to edit out. << if "somebody" is interested to re-release old footage of kw & is able to spend "some" money on it , it's DEFINITELY NOT "impossible" !!! it will "only" take some time !!! that's all i suppose !!! ;-) >> And remember that they're the best-looking members of the band, so few teenage girls will be interested in a video that doesn't feature the 'guest artists'. EMI has blocked one release already, and they'd surely do it again, if the band delivered something as crazy as this. << HEY !!! *G+* ;-) that's indeed a really good point !!! *hehehe* ;-))) kw as " the new boy group " of eleKtroniK musiK !!! *LOL* ;-))) very clever & smart !!! *G+* ;-) for real : emi music has NOT MUCH to say or chance of intervention when it comes to NEW RELEASES !!! only the old material is in the hand of the record company !!! remember : kw's kling klang publishing company has already made " a big deal " last year with sony music !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) so let's wait & see what we can expect from the current "outfit" around the nucleus of kw ... & ralf & florian themselves !!! *G+* ;-) fyi : to me it seems not to be a hopeless case after all !!! *LOLA* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) old & new kw Date: 06 Jul 2000 19:52:24 +0200 oh jay wrote: >> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting and remixing. >well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll ask florian , >he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) Which would be... >expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all !!! believe me !!! ;-) No, I don't believe you! ;-) --- Please prove it, or state your source. >the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ralf & florian !!! so some >of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back to their "mix" period then !!! ;-) That doesn't seem likely. The sounds of E2k is not very much like on the Mix, perhaps besides the drums. >kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club scene & its overall >sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) If you're referring to the new live tracks that's true. But then again the current club scene is indirectly influenced by Kraftwerk's work from the -70:s... /Joakim np: Yoshihiro Hanno meets Mick Karn: Liquid Glass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Another cover of The Model Date: 06 Jul 2000 20:36:21 +0200 There is also a live version on his new live album 'At Martyrs' (2000 New Machine/Ulftone). Ivo > > The European version of Chris Whitley's album "Dirt Floor" (Messenger/Sony, > 1999) features an acoustic cover version of Kraftwerk's "The Model" recorded > in the New York > singer/songwriter's home studio. > > DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) " the proof " !? Date: 06 Jul 2000 21:31:00 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! some quotes to keep up with the current thread : >>> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting a= nd remixing. <<< >> well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll = ask florian , he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin= * ;-) << > Which would be... < ... nearly " the same ol' story " as with the "techno-pop" album of 1983 wh= ich turned out to be the " electric cafe " album of 1986 then !!! *just_a_s= mart_grin_here_this_time* ;-) >> expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all = !!! believe me !!! ;-) << > No, I don't believe you! ;-) --- Please prove it, or state your source. < well ... I CAN'T PROOF IT !!! ;-) ONLY KW CAN DO IT !!! *BWG* ;-))) btw : i= 've already stated MY SOURCE by now !!! *slyest_grin_you_can_imagine* ;-))) >> the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ral= f & florian !!! so some of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back t= o their "mix" period then !!! ;-) << > That doesn't seem likely. The sounds of E2k is not very much like on the = Mix, perhaps besides the drums. < okay ! to be honest : expo 2000 was just a kind of "by-product" or even a "= waste product " of their WERK over the 90s then !!! ;-) btw : did you spot= ted out the similarities of expo 2000 & the song ( or track ! ;-) electric = cafe ??? *very _curious_indeed* ;-) that's WHERE the production of "E2K" st= arted out ... way back in zime !!! *BWGA* ;-))) >> kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club = scene & its overall sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) << > If you're referring to the new live tracks that's true. But then again th= e current club scene is indirectly influenced by Kraftwerk's work from the -70:s... < that's where the circle closes ... & everything starts again !!! *wise_grin= * ;-) " er wird immer weitergeh'n !!! musik als tr=E4ger von ideen !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Trans Am Date: 06 Jul 2000 20:26:10 +0100 Automat mentions Trans Am. Although they're guitar based with electronics and sequencers from time to time you can sometimes feel the KW influence. Their album 'Future World' is stuffed to the brim with vocoder, whilst the album 'Surrender To The Night's' second track, 'Cologne' has a guitar solo which quotes part of the neon lights melody. I think they're worth a listen NB Does anyone else think that the Channel 5 jingle sounds similar to 'The Robots' Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Trans Am (again) Date: 06 Jul 2000 21:57:21 +0100 In fact their new release 'You can always get what you want' a collection of singles live and ep stuff contains a live version of KW's Man Machine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 06 Jul 2000 23:50:45 +0200 Tjodolf Ulriksen skrev: > [The new] material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewrit= ing and remixing.=20 Where exactly did you learn that? > I'm not expecting Ralf, in his current emotional state, to be able to p= ull himself together after a blow like that. Gee, you two must really be close. So, how does Huetter rate the new Cam= pagnolo derailleurs? And what about Zabel's inabilty of late to win the sprints? > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the r= ecord industry. Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry rec= ording one. > [Is K-werk able] to write a pop song without Emil Schult and Karl Barto= s? You mean like "Europa Endlos" & "Schaufensterpuppen"? > /.../ it took some pretty extreme pressure to shame the group into putt= ing [Expo 2000] out. K-werk wouldn't be the first band to fall prey to political maneouvres, b= ut their particular brand of 'artsyness' made them a really easy target for Expo opponents. How co= me no one wants to know how many Deutschmarks have been spent spewing gall on the whole event? -= Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 06 Jul 2000 16:42:05 -0700 > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the record industry. Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry recording one. That's just not fair... Bryan Ferry solo career started on 1973 and consists of 10 records plus several appearances on collaborations, tribute and soundtrack albums. Since that time, he also recorded a handful of records with his band, (all rise) Roxy Music. Peter Gabriel's solo career consists of 6 records in English, 2 in German, 2 soundtracks, 2 live and several (and I do mean several) collaborations to compilations, tributes and soundtrack albums all the way from 1977 until today. Bear in mind that he also had to spent his time in a few trivial things like, being the head of Real World records, being a (big) part of a project about the Millennium Show in Greenwich, and he also created some of the most highly acclaimed music videos of all time... and I almost forgot... according to Tony Levin, Peter has already recorded the songs for his upcoming UP album (tentative release: spring 2001), but I bet must be tedious to pick the best from the reportedly 100 plus songs he's got. You do the math. Enrique NP: the brand spanking new "OVO", by Mr Peter Gabriel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Radio tip Date: 07 Jul 2000 02:04:55 +0200 On July 8 (night from friday to saturday), 1.05 - 3.00 MESZ, DLF Radio will send "Soundcheck - Die Renaissance des Elektro oder Wie die schwarze Musik Kraftwerk entdeckte" ("The renaissance of electro or How the black music discovered Kraftwerk") by Thomas Elbern. Don't know exactly what it is, but maybe it's interesting. For frequencies see http://www.dradio.de/cgi-bin/user/fm1004/es/neu-freq-listk/ Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Depeche Subject: Re: (kw) A Portrait of Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine Date: 06 Jul 2000 08:38:02 -0700 No need to the question mark, he is still a member of depeche. Andrew d-mode@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/d-mode/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 8:03 AM > > Very funny: A. Fletcher, former(?) Depeche Mode member, dressed in a Man-Machine attire: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Marston Subject: RE: (kw) Yo fui un Robot Date: 06 Jul 2000 16:46:15 +0100 Thanks for the info. That's the U.S. edition; the book will be also be published by Faber & Faber in the UK. I notice the byline on the book cover identifies Fluer as "founder member of Kraftwerk", wrong on both counts, I think. [imagines R+F impulsively reaching for the phone to call their lawyers...] http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen@firstworld.net (stephen vesecky) Subject: Re: (kw) Trans Am Date: 07 Jul 2000 00:24:38 -0400 >Automat mentions Trans Am. Although they're guitar based with electronics >and sequencers from time to time you can sometimes feel the KW influence. >Their album 'Future World' is stuffed to the brim with vocoder, whilst the >album 'Surrender To The Night's' second track, 'Cologne' has a guitar solo >which quotes part of the neon lights melody. yes, when they played live they did a cover of 'the man machine'. their concert was good. they would go from minimalistic heavy metal and somehow end up doing a sort of techno. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine Date: 07 Jul 2000 10:39:45 +0200 -Luca Dassi wrote: Very funny: A. Fletcher, former(?) Depeche Mode member, dressed in a Man-Machine attire: -Depeche wrote: No need to the question mark, he is still a member of depeche. FORMER members of DM were Vince Clarke, Martin Gore and Andrew Fletcher. THEN came Dave Gahan. FINALLY, to substitute Vince Clarke, came Alan Wilder. Images of that site are probably the same of the choreography of the last DM tour. During their show in Milan I remember I saw on the background pictures of DM dressed like KW: NICE!!! Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 07 Jul 2000 11:26:23 +0200 Tjodolf said:=20 > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the r= ecord industry. I said: > Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry r= ecording one. Enrique said:=20 > That's just not fair... So's a lot of the flak K-werk recieves. > Bryan Ferry solo career started on 1973 and... /---/ Peter Gabriel's so= lo career... Oh, they're both very impressive. But as an average fan I still only see= the odd album every few years. Though not measuring up quantitively, since 1970 K-werk's handful= of albums - and quite a few novel videos - have radically changed the beat of modern pop. Howeve= r, the point was not to compare but to say that the time spent recording matters less than the qu= ality of the final recording to some record companies. I appologise for stepping on your to= es. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Printed Circuit Date: 06 Jul 2000 18:15:33 +0200 Quoted from the Elefant Records weekly news bulletin: Printed Circuit is the alter ego for Claire, a Scotswoman twenty years old who started to give free rein to her electronic fantasies at the beginning of 1999, encouraged by her love for names so inspiring as Mouse On Mars, KRAFTWERK, Boards Of Canada or Les Rhythmes Digitales. Artist: Printed Circuit Title: "Gimmie aibo" Format: Single Club red vinyl Label: Elefant Records elefantsales@elefant.com http://www.elefant.com Reference: ER-223 Bar code: 8428846402239 Tracklist: 1. Gimmie aibo 2. Solar for my format 3. Systematik (GNG weird funk mix) End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yo fui un Robot Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:36:48 EDT In a message dated 7/6/00 9:14:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Richard.Marston@penguin.co.uk writes: << Thanks for the info. That's the U.S. edition; the book will be also be published by Faber & Faber in the UK. >> I missed the info....where can we order the English language edition of the book?? Thank you.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 07 Jul 2000 08:02:19 -0700 DQoNCj5EYXRlOiBUaHUsIDA2IEp1bCAyMDAwIDIzOjUwOjQ1ICswMjAwDQo+RnJvbTogTGVj aCA8bGlua2llbEB0ZWxpYS5jb20+DQo+VG86IGtyYWZ0d2Vya0B4bWlzc2lvbi5jb20NCj5T dWJqZWN0OiAoa3cpIFJlOiBrdyBmb290YWdlICYgc3R1ZmYNCj4NCj4NCj5Uam9kb2xmIFVs cmlrc2VuIHNrcmV2Og0KPj4gW1RoZSBuZXddIG1hdGVyaWFsIHdhcyByZWplY3RlZCBieSBF TUkgcmVjb3JkcyBhbmQgc2VudCBiYWNrIGZvciByZXdyaXRpbmcgYW5kIHJlbWl4aW5nLiAN Cj4NCj5XaGVyZSBleGFjdGx5IGRpZCB5b3UgbGVhcm4gdGhhdD8NCg0KV29sZmdhbmcgRmz8 cidzIGJvb2ssIGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgbXVzaWMgcHJlc3Mgc291cmNlcy4gSXQgaGFzbid0IGJl ZW4gYW5ub3VuY2VkIHZlcnkgbG91ZGx5LCBidXQgaXQncyBzb21ldGhpbmcgSSB0aGluayBt b3N0IHBlb3BsZSBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgaGFzIGhlYXJkLiBEbyB5b3UgZmluZCBpdCB1bmxp a2VseT8gV2VsbCwgaXQgd2FzIGFubm91bmNlZCBxdWl0ZSBjbGVhcmx5IGluIDE5OTcgdGhh dCBuZXcgbWF0ZXJpYWwgaGFkIGJlZW4gZGVsaXZlcmVkLiBUaGVuIG5vdGhpbmcuIEEgcHJl dHR5IGdvb2QgZXhwbGFuYXRpb24gaXMgdGhhdCB0aGUgbWF0ZXJpYWwgaGFkIGJlZW4gcmVq ZWN0ZWQuIERvZXMgYW55b25lIGV4Y2VwdCBMZWNoIGZpbmQgdGhlIHN0b3J5IGltcHJvYmFi bGU/DQoNCj4+IEknbSBub3QgZXhwZWN0aW5nIFJhbGYsIGluIGhpcyBjdXJyZW50IGVtb3Rp b25hbCBzdGF0ZSwgdG8gYmUgYWJsZSB0byBwdWxsIGhpbXNlbGYgdG9nZXRoZXIgYWZ0ZXIg YSBibG93IGxpa2UgdGhhdC4NCj4NCj5HZWUsIHlvdSB0d28gbXVzdCByZWFsbHkgYmUgY2xv c2UuICBTbywgaG93IGRvZXMgSHVldHRlciByYXRlIHRoZSBuZXcgQ2FtcGFnbm9sbyBkZXJh aWxsZXVycz8gIEFuZA0KPndoYXQgYWJvdXQgWmFiZWwncyBpbmFiaWx0eSBvZiBsYXRlIHRv IHdpbiB0aGUgc3ByaW50cz8NCg0KTm8sIHdlJ3JlIG5vdCBjbG9zZSBhdCBhbGwsIHlvdSd2 ZSByZWFkIHRoZSBzYW1lIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGFzIEkuIEl0IGFkZHMgdXAuIEVpdGhlciBL YXJsIG9yIFdvbGZnYW5nIGNhbGxlZCBoaW0gYSBiaXR0ZXIgbWFuIHdobyB0aGlua3MgaGUg bmVlZHMgbm8tb25lIGJ1dCBSYWxmIEj8dHRlci4gTW9zdCBvZiBoaXMgYWN0aXZpdGllcyBy ZWNlbnRseSBmaXQgdGhlIG1vbGQuIA0KSSB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIGFza2VkIHdobyBaYWJlbCBp cywgYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3QgY2FyZS4NCg0KPg0KPj4gQnV0IGV2ZW4gdGhyZWUgeWVhcnMgaXMg dXN1YWxseSBjb25jaWRlcmVkIHF1aXRlIGEgYml0IG9mIHRpbWUgaW4gdGhlIHJlY29yZCBp bmR1c3RyeS4NCj4NCj5Sb3VnaGx5IHRoZSB0aW1lIFBldGVyIEdhYnJpZWwgc3BlbmRzIG1p eGluZyBhIHRyYWNrIC0gb3IgQnJ5YW4gRmVycnkgcmVjb3JkaW5nIG9uZS4NCg0KU29ycnks IGJ1dCB0aGlzIGlzIGlycmVsZXZhbnQgbm9uc2Vuc2UuIFRocmVlIHllYXJzIGlzIGEgbG9u ZyB0aW1lIHRvIHNwZW5kIG9uIGFuIGFsYnVtLiBJJ20gc3VyZSB0aGF0IGlmIHRoZXNlIGFy dGlzdHMgSSBkb24ndCBjYXJlIGFib3V0IGhhdmUgZ29uZSBvbiBzaW5jZSAxOTk3IHdpdGhv dXQgbWFraW5nIGFueSByZWNvcmRzLCB0aGV5IGhhdmUgYmVlbiBhcHByb3ByaWF0ZWx5IGNy aXRpY2lzZWQgYnkgdGhlaXIgYXVkaWVuY2VzLg0KDQo+PiBbSXMgSy13ZXJrIGFibGVdIHRv IHdyaXRlIGEgcG9wIHNvbmcgd2l0aG91dCBFbWlsIFNjaHVsdCBhbmQgS2FybCBCYXJ0b3M/ DQo+DQo+WW91IG1lYW4gbGlrZSAiRXVyb3BhIEVuZGxvcyIgJiAiU2NoYXVmZW5zdGVycHVw cGVuIj8NCg0KSG1tLiBCdXQgS2FybCBCYXJ0b3MgcGxheWVkIG9uIHRob3NlLiBCdXQgeWVz LCB0aGVyZSBhcmUgdHdvIHNvbmdzIHdpdGggbHlyaWNzIHRoYXQgYXJlIGNyZWRpdGVkIHRv IG5laXRlciBLYXJsIEJhcnRvcyBvciBFbWlsIFNjaHVsdCBvbiB0aGUgVEVFIGFsYnVtLiBN YXliZSBSYWxmIHdpbGwgY29tZSB1cCB3aXRoIGFub3RoZXIgc29tZSBkYXkuDQoNCj4NCj4+ IC8uLi4vIGl0IHRvb2sgc29tZSBwcmV0dHkgZXh0cmVtZSBwcmVzc3VyZSB0byBzaGFtZSB0 aGUgZ3JvdXAgaW50byBwdXR0aW5nIFtFeHBvIDIwMDBdIG91dC4NCj4NCj5LLXdlcmsgd291 bGRuJ3QgYmUgdGhlIGZpcnN0IGJhbmQgdG8gZmFsbCBwcmV5IHRvIHBvbGl0aWNhbCBtYW5l b3V2cmVzLCBidXQgdGhlaXIgcGFydGljdWxhciBicmFuZA0KPm9mICdhcnRzeW5lc3MnIG1h ZGUgdGhlbSBhIHJlYWxseSBlYXN5IHRhcmdldCBmb3IgRXhwbyBvcHBvbmVudHMuICBIb3cg Y29tZSBubyBvbmUgd2FudHMgdG8ga25vdw0KPmhvdyBtYW55IERldXRzY2htYXJrcyBoYXZl IGJlZW4gc3BlbnQgc3Bld2luZyBnYWxsIG9uIHRoZSB3aG9sZSBldmVudD8gIC0gVG91cyDg IHbpbG8hDQoNClRoZSA0MDAwMDAgZm9yIHRoZSB1bnVzYWJsZSBqaW5nbGVzIGlzIG9ubHkg b25lIGl0ZW0gb24gYSBsb25nIGxpc3Qgb2YgY29tcGxhaW50czsgbm8tb25lIGlzIHZlcnkg aGFwcHkgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHdob2xlIGV4cG8gb3IgaG93IG11Y2ggaXQgY29zdC4NCg0KVFUN Cg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8gUG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1h c3RlckBwb3JuaW5kdXN0cnkuY29tDQoNCg0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcello Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine Date: 07 Jul 2000 16:55:03 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 11:27 AM Friday, July 07, 2000 11:27 AM Didi wrote: >... Images of that site are probably the same of the choreography of the last > DM > tour. During their show in Milan I remember I saw on the background > pictures of DM dressed like KW: NICE!!! I totally agree: NICE and i would add : it's probably THE ONLY NICE THING of last DM tour...:-> P.BOY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) ralf & florian vs. karl & wolfgang etc. ( to be continued !!! ;-) Date: 07 Jul 2000 21:06:44 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! tjodolf ulriksen & lech debated : >>> Tjodolf Ulriksen skrev : [The new] material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting = and remixing. <<< >> Lech schrieb : Where exactly did you learn that? << > Tjodolf Ulriksen replied : Wolfgang Fl=FCr's book, as well as music press sources. It hasn't been anno= unced very loudly, but it's something I think most people on this list has = heard. Do you find it unlikely? Well, it was announced quite clearly in 199= 7 that new material had been delivered. Then nothing. A pretty good explana= tion is that the material had been rejected. Does anyone except Lech find t= he story improbable? < my comment on this thread : IT'S ALL JUST " A MYTH " !!! :-/ wolfgang & karl had no "real" contact to r= alf & florian in the last 8 or 9 years since they both left kw !!! THAT'S A= SIMPLE FACT !!! so THEY DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE than we all do !!! ;-) it's all pretty much speculation of the media & music biz in general !!! ;-= ) fyi ( once again ;-) : i've made an interview with florian in early '97 ( b= efore the tribal gathering event !!! ) in berlin & he said that there were = several new "trax" which were "unfinished" by that point in time & that kw = will MAYBE play one or two of them @ some concerts in " the near future " != !! that's EXACTLY what happened later in the year !!! ;-) i still believe i= n what florian told me & NOT what some flashy wanna-be's @ emi music said l= ater on to the "starving" press !!! :-/ so make up your own mind then !!! ;-) btw : sorry for the lil' typos in my last mail !!! nobody's perfect ... not= even kw or me !!! *LOL* ;-))) " am heimcomputer sitz ich hier & programmier die zukunft mir !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 07 Jul 2000 21:35:27 +0200 Tjodolf skrev: > /.../ the unusable jingles is only one item on a long list of complaint= s; no-one is very happy about the whole expo... Someone must be 'happy,' as it's quite clearly taking place. As for the = jingles, 'unusable' in what sense? What exactly did you expect? > Three years is a long time to spend on an album. Perhaps. But it's more common than sliced bread these days. > /.../ it was announced quite clearly in 1997 that new material had been= delivered.=20 By whom? By EMI? All of a sudden K-werk have begun to give a hoot 'bout= what record Co's think?=20 And EMI's the only record Co that'd even consider releasing new K-werk ma= terial? =20 There's way too much rumours and speculation surrounding this band, more = often than not fueled journo's and fans, so I don't find any harm in asking for sources. To my= mind, Fluer's book's quite biased - not without reason, mind you - and should hardly be read a= s the final word. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) kraftwerk / organisation album on cd !!! ;-) Date: 08 Jul 2000 12:08:34 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! fyi : i suppose that maybe some of you might be interested to hear / read that the following item is now available on cd : kraftwerk / organisation >> tone float << ( pid / official release date : 16. 05. 2000 / price : dm 60,- ( dm = deutschmarks ;-) check out www.jpc.de , click on "suchen" / "search" : "kraftwerk" & you'll find it listed there !!! ;-) " in des weltalls ferne funke(l)n radiosterne ... " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dave Subject: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? Date: 08 Jul 2000 10:41:34 -0400 sorry if this has been covered already, but how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it ? thanks, dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? Date: 08 Jul 2000 14:21:17 EDT In a message dated 7/8/00 10:40:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dvrt@interlog.com writes: << sorry if this has been covered already, but how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it ? thanks, dave >> I believe it was because Florian thought it was too serious a subject for senor coconut to do!!!!! I think other members of this list can confirm this... B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD Date: 08 Jul 2000 20:55:39 +0100 I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : 1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 track times approximate. Is it worth much? Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Krumbein" Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD Date: 08 Jul 2000 13:38:50 -0700 > I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : > >1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 >2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 >3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 > >track times approximate. > >Is it worth much? I think it's worth about $10 ;) Adam Krumbein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? Date: 08 Jul 2000 16:59:31 -0400 On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:41:34 -0400 dave writes: > > sorry if this has been covered already, but > how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it > ? > > thanks, > > dave according to an interview with atom(tm), KW asked that it be removed (see NYTimes 7/6/00) tom w np: the jap version with radioactivity! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD Date: 09 Jul 2000 14:07:26 +0200 > Von: "Mark Reed" > Datum: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:55:39 +0100 > An: "Jan Reetze" , "Kraftwerk Mailing List" > > Betreff: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD > > > I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : > > 1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 > 2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 > 3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 > > track times approximate. > > Is it worth much? > > Mark > Most 2nd-hand-shops I know sells promo copies at more or less normal prices. So I don't know a correct amount, but if it's not absurdly overpriced, I think, for a true collector a promo copy is always a good bargain. J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) rare kw versions / mixes & stuff Date: 09 Jul 2000 20:01:43 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! i'm looking for some rare kw versions / mixes & stuff for a forthcoming kw = special on my own radio show @ the end of august or maybe early sept. this = year !!! ANY help will be greatly appreciated !!! ;-) this is what i'm exactly looking for : 1.) ANY songs / trax in different languages than german / english / spanish= / french or japanese !!! ( like for instance an italian version of the model or a russian version of= the man-machine or something like that !!! ) 2.) ANY kw songs / trax on 10" vinyl format !!! ( whatever it might be !!! ;-) 3.) ANY officially produced , but never released versions / mixes of kw son= gs / trax !!! ( like for instance those rumored ferry corsten & william orbit remixes of = expo 2000 !!! ) 4.) ANY studio versions / mixes of new kw material !!! *G+* ;-) ( like for instance those three ( plus two or more ??? ) new trax they've a= lready played live in the last years !!! ) 5.) ANY songs / trax of ralf h=FCtter's & / or florian schneider's solo "ap= pearances" ( if there EVER was one ( or two ??? ;-) !!! ;-) thanx a whole lot for your help in advance !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 09 Jul 2000 19:13:53 PDT EMI annouces that a new Kraftwerk album will be released on November. The catalogue number is 83216541-2. So, in the future, this quote would be use to tell that EMI refuses another KW release. Come on, guys, do you still believe on these "official annouces"? I DON'T! And I don't believe KW will release any new album on their lives!! Well, maybe Santa Claus even exists on Laponia... The only thing I believe I heared from a brazilian producer that brings KW to Brazil. He had a lunch with R&F and they told him they will return to Brazil to play at Brasilia and Chapada Diamantina (two brazilian places). It could take 5 years. Well, considering on KW time, it can be multiplied by five... and: VOILA! KW will play in Brazil again in 2048!!! peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld >/.../ it was announced quite clearly in 1997 that new material had been= delivered.=20 By whom? By EMI? All of a sudden K-werk have begun to give a hoot 'bout= what record Co's think?=20 And EMI's the only record Co that'd even consider releasing new K-werk ma= terial? =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 10 Jul 2000 00:12:40 -0400 >>> EMI annouces that a new Kraftwerk album will be released on November. The catalogue number is 83216541-2. <<< Impossible. This is not even an EMI-style catalog number! EMI catalog numbers, since 1993, follow a 1234 5 67890 1 2 format, with the five-number sequence being the catalog number that you remember for ordering purposes. The first 4 numbers are the series (usually 0777, 7243, 0946), the fifth number is a sub-series (7243s usually are followed by 4, 5, or 8), the second to last digit is the universal format number (2 for CDs, 1 for 12" vinyl, 4 for cassette, 3 for VHS, 8 for MiniDisc--with exceptions, such as WEA's 12" single format gets a "0" and EMI's enhanced CDs), and the last digit rounds everything into the 12-digit UPC format. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 10 Jul 2000 00:48:43 -0700 DQoNCj5EYXRlOiBGcmksIDA3IEp1bCAyMDAwIDIxOjM1OjI3ICswMjAwDQo+RnJvbTogTGVj aCA8bGlua2llbEB0ZWxpYS5jb20+DQo+VG86IGtyYWZ0d2Vya0B4bWlzc2lvbi5jb20NCj5T dWJqZWN0OiAoa3cpIFJlOiBSZToga3cgZm9vdGFnZSAmIHN0dWZmDQo+DQo+DQo+VGpvZG9s ZiBza3JldjoNCj4+IC8uLi4vIHRoZSB1bnVzYWJsZSBqaW5nbGVzIGlzIG9ubHkgb25lIGl0 ZW0gb24gYSBsb25nIGxpc3Qgb2YgY29tcGxhaW50czsgbm8tb25lIGlzIHZlcnkgaGFwcHkg YWJvdXQgdGhlIHdob2xlIGV4cG8uLi4NCj4NCj5Tb21lb25lIG11c3QgYmUgJ2hhcHB5LCcg YXMgaXQncyBxdWl0ZSBjbGVhcmx5IHRha2luZyBwbGFjZS4gIEFzIGZvciB0aGUgamluZ2xl cywgJ3VudXNhYmxlJyBpbg0KPndoYXQgc2Vuc2U/ICBXaGF0IGV4YWN0bHkgZGlkIHlvdSBl eHBlY3Q/DQoNClVudXNhYmxlIGZvciB3aGF0ZXZlciBpdCB3YXMgamluZ2xlcyB3ZXJlIHN1 cHBvc2VkIHRvIGJlIHVzZWQgZm9yLCBvZiBjb3Vyc2UuIEhhdmUgeW91IGhlYXJkIHRoZW0/ IFkna25vdywgdHdlbnR5IHNlY29uZHMgb2YgYSB2b2NvZGVyIHRoYXQgc2V6ICJFeHBvIDIw MDAiIGluIGRpZmZlcmVudCBsYW5ndWFnZXMsIG5vIGF0dGVtcHRzIGF0IHJoeXRobSBvciBr ZXksIHByb25vdW5jaWF0aW9uIGVycm9ycyBpbiBhbGwgZXhjZXB0IHRoZSBHZXJtYW4gb25l IChhbmQgdGhlIFJ1c3NpYW4gYW5kIFNwYW5pc2ggb25lcyBJJ20gbm90IHF1YWxpZmllZCB0 byBqdWRnZSkgYW5kIGEgdHJhbnNsYXRpb24gZXJyb3IgYXMgd2VsbCBpbiB0aGUgSmFwYW5l c2Ugb25lLiBUaGUgamluZ2xlcyB0aGF0IGxlZCB0byB0aGF0IHB1YmxpY2l0eSBkZWJhY2xl LCB5b3Uga25vdy4gVGhvc2UgamluZ2xlcy4gDQpBbmQgbm8sIG5vLW9uZSBpcyB2ZXJ5IGhh cHB5IGFib3V0IGVpdGhlciBFeHBvIDIwMDAgb3IgdGhlIG1pbGxlbml1bSBkb21lLiBUaGUg cHJvamVjdHMgYXJlIG11Y2ggdG9vIGJpZyB0byBzdG9wLCBidXQgdGhleSBhcmUgZmFpbHVy ZXM7IG5vdCBtYW55IHBlb3BsZSB3YW50IHRvIGNvbWUgYW5kIHNlZSB0aGVtLCBhbmQgdGhl IHByZXNzIGRvZXNuJ3QgaGF2ZSBtYW55IG5pY2UgdGhpbmdzIHRvIHNheS4NCg0KDQo+PiBU aHJlZSB5ZWFycyBpcyBhIGxvbmcgdGltZSB0byBzcGVuZCBvbiBhbiBhbGJ1bS4NCj4NCj5Q ZXJoYXBzLiAgQnV0IGl0J3MgbW9yZSBjb21tb24gdGhhbiBzbGljZWQgYnJlYWQgdGhlc2Ug ZGF5cy4NCg0KVGhhdCBtdWNoIGlzIHRydWUuIE15IHBvaW50IGlzIG1vcmUgbGlrZTsgdGhl IG1hdGVyaWFsIHRoYXQgd2FzIHByZXNlbnRlZCBpbiBjb25jZXJ0IGluIDE5OTcgYW5kIGRl bGl2ZXJlZCB0byBFTUkgcmVjb3JkcyBpcyBubyBsb25nZXIgbmV3Lg0KDQo+DQo+PiAvLi4u LyBpdCB3YXMgYW5ub3VuY2VkIHF1aXRlIGNsZWFybHkgaW4gMTk5NyB0aGF0IG5ldyBtYXRl cmlhbCBoYWQgYmVlbiBkZWxpdmVyZWQuIA0KPg0KPkJ5IHdob20/DQoNClRoaXMgYW1vdW50 cyB0byBzYXlpbmcgIlNleiB3aG8/IiBJdCdzIG5vdCBteSBmYXVsdCBpZiB5b3UgZG9uJ3Qg cmVhZCB0aGUgbXVzaWMgcHJlc3MuIFRoZXJlIHdlcmUgc3RvcmllcyBpbiBBa3Rpdml05HQg YW5kIFEgbWFnYXppbmUuIFN0aWxsLCBubyByZWNvcmQgYXBwZWFyZWQuDQoNCiAgQnkgRU1J PyAgQWxsIG9mIGEgc3VkZGVuIEstd2VyayBoYXZlIGJlZ3VuIHRvIGdpdmUgYSBob290ICdi b3V0IHdoYXQgcmVjb3JkIENvJ3MgdGhpbms/DQoNCkstd2VyayBkb24ndCBnaXZlIGEgaG9v dCBhYm91dCBhbnlvbmUsIHdhc24ndCB0aGF0IG15IG9yaWdpbmFsIHBvaW50PyBIb3cgdGhl eSd2ZSBiZWNvbWUgYml0dGVyIGFuZCBpc29sYXRlZCwgYWxpZW5hdGVkIGZyb20gYWxsIHRo ZWlyIG9sZCBjby1jb25zcGlyYXRvcnMuIFRoYXQgaW5jbHVkZXMgdGhlaXIgcmVjb3JkIGxh YmVsLCB3aGljaCByZWplY3RlZCB0aGUgdGhyZWUgdHJhY2tzIHRoZXkgZGVsaXZlcmVkIGlu IDE5OTcuIA0KIA0KPkFuZCBFTUkncyB0aGUgb25seSByZWNvcmQgQ28gdGhhdCdkIGV2ZW4g Y29uc2lkZXIgcmVsZWFzaW5nIG5ldyBLLXdlcmsgbWF0ZXJpYWw/ICANCg0KVGhleSBoYXZl IHJlY29yZCBkZWFscywgZXhjZXB0IGluIEFtZXJpY2EsIHdoZXJlIHRoZXkgaGF2ZSBiZWVu IGRyb3BwZWQuDQoNCg0KPlRoZXJlJ3Mgd2F5IHRvbyBtdWNoIHJ1bW91cnMgYW5kIHNwZWN1 bGF0aW9uIHN1cnJvdW5kaW5nIHRoaXMgYmFuZCwgbW9yZSBvZnRlbiB0aGFuIG5vdCBmdWVs ZWQNCj5qb3Vybm8ncyBhbmQgZmFucywgc28gSSBkb24ndCBmaW5kIGFueSBoYXJtIGluIGFz a2luZyBmb3Igc291cmNlcy4gIA0KTmVpdGhlciBkbyBJLCBkZXBlbmRzIG9uIGhvdyBpdCdz IGRvbmUgYW5kIHdoYXQgc29ydCBvZiBzdGF0ZW1lbnQgbmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgYXR0cmlidXRl ZCB0byBhIHNvdXJjZS4gSSBkb24ndCByZWFsbHkgdGhpbmsgSSd2ZSBtYWRlIGFueSBmYW50 YXN0aWMgZmFjdHVhbCBjbGFpbXMsIGFuZCBJIGRvbid0IHNlZSB3aHkgeW91IHdvdWxkIHdh bnQgdG8gcmVqZWN0IHRoZSBmYWlybHkgd2VsbC1kb2N1bWVudGVkIHRhbGUgdGhhdCBLcmFm dHdlcmsgZGVsaXZlcmVkIHNvbWV0aGluZyBpbiAxOTk3Lg0KDQpUbyBteSBtaW5kLCBGbHVl cidzIGJvb2sncw0KPnF1aXRlIGJpYXNlZCAtIG5vdCB3aXRob3V0IHJlYXNvbiwgbWluZCB5 b3UgLSBhbmQgc2hvdWxkIGhhcmRseSBiZSByZWFkIGFzIHRoZSBmaW5hbCB3b3JkLiANCg0K TXkgcHJvYmxlbSB3aXRoIHRoZSBib29rIGlzbid0IHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGFueSBwcm9ibGVt IGJlbGlldmluZyBldmVyeSBzaW5nbGUgd29yZCwgYnV0IHRoYXQgaGUgZG9lc24ndCByZWFs bHkgd3JpdGUgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHRoaW5ncyB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIGludGVyZXN0IG1lIG1vc3Qu IEkgbWVhbiBvZiBjb3Vyc2UgeW91ciBnaXJsZnJpZW5kcyBoYXZlIGhvbGVzIGluIHRoZW0s IHRoYXQncyB3aHkgdGhleSdyZSBnaXJscywgSSBkb24ndCB3YW50IHRvIGtub3csIHRoYXQn cyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSBwcml2YXRlISENCkJ1dCBkbyBJIGJlbGlldmUgdGhhdCB0aGUg cmVjb3JkIHdhcyByZWplY3RlZD8gWWVzLg0KDQoNClRVDQoNCg0KVFUNCg0KDQoNCi0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8gUG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1hc3RlckBwb3JuaW5k dXN0cnkuY29tDQoNCg0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) Re: expo2000 promoCD Date: 10 Jul 2000 14:16:09 +0200 At 13.38 08/07/00 -0700, Adam Krumbein wrote: >> I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : >>1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 >>2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 >>3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 >>track times approximate. >>Is it worth much? >I think it's worth about $10 ;) >Adam Krumbein I bought a copy of this promo in London for 6 =A3. 1)EXPO 2000 KLING KLANG MIX 2002 (RADIO MIX) 3:49 2)EXPO 2000 KLING KLANG MIX 2000 (RADIO MIX) 3:39 3)EXPO 2000 KLING KLANG MIX 2001 (RADIO MIX) 3:50 Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 10 Jul 2000 20:50:24 +0200 Tjodolf skrev: > Unusable for whatever it was jingles were supposed to be used for, of c= ourse.=20 In my experience jingles are quite often overpriced ditties that rarely m= ake it past the half-minute mark, thrown together from whatever leftovers the commissione= d artist has bothered to dig up, for which royalties are paid every single time they're used. The= Expo jingles, although perhaps of questionable quality, are at least somewhat original. Speakin= g of which, does anyone know what K-werk received for the MTV jingles? Klaus? > And no, no-one is very happy about either Expo 2000 or the millenium do= me /.../ and the press doesn't have many nice things to say. I've heard both positive and negative views, and 'nice things' don't sell= newspapers. But we digress... > My point is more like; the material that was presented in concert in 19= 97 and delivered to EMI records is no longer new. I'm with you there. Hopefully these tracks will have evolved, like new t= racks previewed at concerts have done in the past. > >> /.../ it was announced quite clearly in 1997 that new material had b= een delivered. > > > >By whom? >=20 > This amounts to saying "Sez who?"=20 No. It amounts to asking for the source of this particular piece of info= rmation. Perhaps my command of the idiom isn't as strong as I imagine it to be; I'm simply as= king for a more exact description of the source. > K-werk don't give a hoot about anyone, wasn't that my original point?=20 Yes and my original point was that unless you're in telekinetic contact w= ith K-werk, you could only speculate what they give a hoot about. Personally I find that it's their= fans that are increasingly becoming bitter. > They have record deals, except in America, where they have been dropped. >From what I've gathered they have licensing deals - the idea of being 'd= ropped' doesn't quite apply unless you're referring to the Americans. > /.../ why you would want to reject the fairly well-documented tale that= Kraftwerk delivered something in 1997. Because I fail to see why K-werk would've settled for a 'no thank you' fr= om EMI, when BMG's just around the corner. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Romulus Giovanni" Subject: (kw) Computer Love in Tokyo 1981 Date: 10 Jul 2000 19:37:35 GMT Hey Guys, I was looking for an mp3 of Computer Love in the live performance in Tokyo back in '81. The version they played at Belgium back then was pretty incredible, and so I wanted to hear other variations. Can anyone help? Zamir ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) expo 2000 jingles & singles ;-) Date: 11 Jul 2000 14:57:30 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! TU wrote : >> Unusable for whatever it was jingles were supposed to be used for, of course. << Lech replied : > In my experience jingles are quite often overpriced ditties that rarely make it past the half-minute mark, thrown together from whatever leftovers the commissioned artist has bothered to dig up, for which royalties are paid every single time they're used. The Expo jingles, although perhaps of questionable quality, are at least somewhat original. Speaking of which, does anyone know what K-werk received for the MTV jingles? Klaus? < my comment on this thread : kw made an agreement with the expo organization over the production of the jingles & the accompanied special limited edition cd-rom-single which was only sold in some special german markets like karstadt for a very high price of dm 100,- & with an amount of 4000 strictly limited copies !!! kw received dm 400.000,- for the jingles & the special limited edition cd-rom-single was sold-out in less then a month after its announcement !!! so the expo organization gained back nearly all their money from selling this special limited edition they spend on the production of the jingles & they both - kw & the expo people as well ! - succeeded with their marketing strategy after all !!! that's the simple story about the expo 2000 jingles & ( the special limited edition cd-rom-)singles !!! *BWG* ;-))) fyi : i don't recall the exact track-listing of the special limited edition cd-rom-single ( 'cause i don't spend so much money on a totally overpriced issue !!! *G+* ;-) , but afaik these are the tracks ( or "songs" ;-) on it ( in no particular order !!! ;-) : - expo 2000 ( kling klang mix 2000 & radio edit ) - expo 2000 ( kling klang mix 2001 ) - expo 2000 ( kling klang mix 2002 / 2nd ( or newer ;-) version !!! ) - expo 2000 ( all 6 jingles !!! ) - expo 2000 ( video !!! ) - expo 2000 ( interactive flight over the expo exhibition !!! ) " computerwelt , denn zeit ist geld !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 11 Jul 2000 11:44:55 -0700 >Y'know, twenty seconds of a vocoder that sez "Expo 2000" in different >languages, no attempts at >rhythm or key, pronounciation errors in all >except the German one (and the Russian and Spanish ones I'm >not qualified >to judge) and a translation error as well in the Japanese one. That's not entirely true. The jingles follow a rhythm, and are certainly in key. They sing very melodic chords with the vocoders. Keep in mind, a vocoder does not change its pitch to follow the bouncy melodies of the human voice; Kraftwerk had to compose those notes. It's really some of the most beautiful vocoder work I've ever heard. Very carefully crafted. Oh, and the English pronounciation is perfect. Textbook perfect. Immaculate conception perfect. ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 11 Jul 2000 22:12:41 +0200 Jason Polland wrote: > > >Y'know, twenty seconds of a vocoder that sez "Expo 2000" in different > >languages, no attempts at >rhythm or key, pronounciation errors in all > >except the German one (and the Russian and Spanish ones I'm >not qualified > >to judge) and a translation error as well in the Japanese one. > > That's not entirely true. The jingles follow a rhythm, and are > certainly in key. They sing very melodic chords with the vocoders. Keep > in mind, a vocoder does not change its pitch to follow the bouncy melodies > of the human voice; Kraftwerk had to compose those notes. It's really some > of the most beautiful vocoder work I've ever heard. Very carefully crafted. I agree here. The vocoder sounds in Expo2000 are about the best I have ever heard, they even managed to put emotion in them (2002 mix)! More! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Date: 11 Jul 2000 16:27:42 EDT In a message dated 7/11/00 4:13:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rja@euronet.nl writes: << > That's not entirely true. The jingles follow a rhythm, and are > certainly in key. They sing very melodic chords with the vocoders. Keep > in mind, a vocoder does not change its pitch to follow the bouncy melodies > of the human voice; Kraftwerk had to compose those notes. It's really some > of the most beautiful vocoder work I've ever heard. Very carefully crafted. I agree here. The vocoder sounds in Expo2000 are about the best I have ever heard, they even managed to put emotion in them (2002 mix)! More! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl >> I'll have 2 agree 2!!! I think if you're in 2 vocoders and have 1 or 2 U would definitely think different!!!! U jus' can't imagine how good they (KWK) really R until U try 2 duplicate those sounds!!! :-) FYI...here's a link to the very first voder, that's what it was first called. Very interesting what they did in 1939!!! :-) http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/vocoder/index.html B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 jingles & singles ;-) Date: 12 Jul 2000 13:54:00 +0200 > the special limited edition cd-rom-single was > sold-out in less then a month after its announcement !!! Maybe the Expo company has had a happy dream about selling out the edition ... but in fact you can buy the set now as ever. Not a trace of supply shortfall. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) re : expo 2000 jingles & singles ;-) Date: 12 Jul 2000 14:20:24 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! i wrote : >> the special limited edition cd-rom-single was sold-out in less then a month after its announcement !!! << jan reetze replied : > Maybe the Expo company has had a happy dream about selling out the edition ... but in fact you can buy the set now as ever. Not a trace of supply shortfall. < my comment on this statement : hm ? well ... maybe another edition of this cd-rom-singles is on the market by now , but it's definitely NOT the first special limited & NUMBERED edition , isn't it ??? *very_curious_indeed* btw : what about the price ??? *still_very_curious* WHERE exactly have you ( jan ) seen this edition recently ??? *curious_as_ever* ;-) " es wird immer weitergeh'n ... MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND & ROUND !!! " *LOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Bassett" Subject: (kw) off topic Date: 12 Jul 2000 13:24:51 +0100 Does anybody know the name of a dance track released last year that was based around an old Clannad song - Harry`s game I think? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) re : expo 2000 jingles & singles ;-) Date: 12 Jul 2000 18:34:23 +0200 > hi kwf's ! > > i wrote : > >>> the special limited edition cd-rom-single was sold-out in less then a month >>> after its announcement !!! << > > jan reetze replied : > >> Maybe the Expo company has had a happy dream about selling out the edition >> ... but in fact you can buy the set now as ever. Not a trace of supply >> shortfall. < > > my comment on this statement : > > hm ? well ... maybe another edition of this cd-rom-singles is on the market by > now , but it's definitely NOT the first special limited & NUMBERED edition , > isn't it ??? *very_curious_indeed* > btw : what about the price ??? *still_very_curious* > WHERE exactly have you ( jan ) seen this edition recently ??? Maybe, meanwhile the people at Karstadt Bremen are using the CDs as mini frisbees. Karstadt Hamburg (Moenckebergstrasse), anyway, is still stocked with the same copies since at least three months. Seems to be a classic drug on the market. Moreover, the CD set is still available at http://www.my-world.de/ , the price is DM 100 or EUR 51,13, as it ever was. What's the source of your information? (Just curious, too.) Cheers, Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Reed" Subject: (kw) Robots / Radioactivity UK Cd Singles Date: 12 Jul 2000 00:06:57 +0100 HI all I've still got these, if anybody out here wants them,... I'm interested in foreign langauge versions of the albums. Is the german language Electric Cafe still available on CD? Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Krumbein" Subject: Re: (kw) Robots / Radioactivity UK Cd Singles Date: 12 Jul 2000 10:27:06 -0700 >I've still got these, if anybody out here wants them,... I'm interested in >foreign langauge versions of the albums. Is the german language Electric >Cafe still available on CD? Yes, the German versions of the albums are still available. Amazon.com and CDNow.com both carry them in stock, they just cost a *bit* more. I was lucky enough to find Die Mensch Maschine here at a local 'underground' cd shop in my city for only $26... didn't have to pay shipping or anything. ;) Adam Krumbein Senior News Editor, 3D Portal Network http://www.3dportal.com http://www.halflife.net http://www.utworld.net http://www.dukeworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: expo 2000 jingles, singles, & Beatclub '71 Date: 12 Jul 2000 19:58:14 +0200 Jan Reetze wrote: > Moreover, the CD set is still available at http://www.my-world.de/ Apparently, so's the Beatclub '71 VHS tape... (http://www.my-world.de/cgi-bin/area.cgi?sid=3D20000712173030143014&aid=3D= 280967500&siid=3D5385&flag=3D3&img=3D1) - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: (kw) Test..please ignore & delete!!! ;-) Date: 12 Jul 2000 18:13:53 -0400 This is only a test from my new & improved addy!!!!! Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) a joke Date: 12 Jul 2000 15:41:30 PDT Man, it was a joke!!! Did you read the rest of my mail??? peace Nicolau http://members.oom.com/kraftworld >>>> Impossible. This is not even an EMI-style catalog number! EMI catalog numbers, since 1993, follow a 1234 5 67890 1 2 format, with the five-number sequence being the catalog number that you remember for ordering purposes. The first 4 numbers are the series (usually 0777, 7243, 0946), the fifth number is a sub-series (7243s usually are followed by 4, 5, or 8), the second to last digit is the universal format number (2 for CDs, 1 for 12" vinyl, 4 for cassette, 3 for VHS, 8 for MiniDisc--with exceptions, such as WEA's 12" single format gets a "0" and EMI's enhanced CDs), and the last digit rounds everything into the 12-digit UPC format. Peace. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josef Gabler" Subject: Re: (kw) Radio tip Date: 13 Jul 2000 06:28:54 +0200 Reetze@t-online.de writes: > >On July 8 (night from friday to saturday), 1.05 - 3.00 MESZ, DLF Radio >will >send "Soundcheck - Die Renaissance des Elektro oder Wie die schwarze Mus= ik >Kraftwerk entdeckte" ("The renaissance of electro or How the black music >discovered Kraftwerk") by Thomas Elbern. Don't know exactly what it is, >but >maybe it's interesting. > >For frequencies see >http://www.dradio.de/cgi-bin/user/fm1004/es/neu-freq-listk/ > > >Jan ^^^v^^^ =20 > Hallo Jan! =20 Bescheidene Frage: Hast Du=B4s aufgenommen und wenn ja, k=F6nntest Du=B4s kopieren? Ich bekam den Sender leider nicht rein. =20 MfG ---joseph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Org and Com Date: 13 Jul 2000 11:18:18 +0100 Hi all, Not long after sending my email ten days ago local filestore problems resulted in my being unable to read the list. I've only just got access again, and I'm still waiting to hear whether email collected in the interim is usable... >-( So if anyone emailed me about the FAQ or whatever, please drop me another line (some of you have done so today, I see!). Thanks! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Bevel" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk live trading Date: 13 Jul 2000 14:53:31 EDT Lauschangriff- 31th October 1991 Dusseldorf Germany 12th June 1971 Koln Germany Virtu ex Machine - Tokyo 9 July 1981 L'olympia Paris February 28, 1976 State Theatre Detroit USA June 11, 1998 Utrecht Vrendenburg the Netherlands December 10, 1981 October 18, 1997, ZKM, Karlsruhe, Germany May 24, 1997 Tribal Gathering Luton Hoo, UK Concert Classics (1975) Willing to pay (would prefer mp3s on one cd, but will pay for individual=20 bootlegs) or trade. I have (as mp3s- could burn =91em depending on what=92s wanted) Warfield Theater Soundboard Bootleg, San Francisco 1998 Computers in Love (Belgium 1981) Tone Float Kraftwerk 1 Kraftwerk 2 Ruckstoss Gondoliere (also known as Interzone) Ralf and Florian Robots CD Single (1. Robots-radio edit 2. Robotnik 3. Robotronik Radioactivity CD Single (1. Kevorkian 7=94 2. Kevorkian 12=94 3. Orbit 12= =94 4.=20 Orbit Hardcore) Telephone Call 12=94 remix House Phone 12=94 Autobahn 1981 Reissue Mix Tour De France CD Single (1. Klingklang analogue 2. Kevorkian mix) Musique Non Stop 7=94 Technopop (Demo) Sex Object (Demo) Les Mannequins Sex Object- edicion espanola Computerwelt (12=94 remix) Kohoutek Kohoutek 2 It=92s More Fun to Compute (7:25 remix) Also I have some music videos (real player and quicktime) Autobahn (Tomorrow=92s World) Pocket Calculator Tour De France (the video with the KW members and Florian smiling) Trans Europe Express Expo 2000 Expo 2000 on Top of the Pops Luton Song Numbers/ Computer World Live 1991 Numbers/Computer World Live 1981 Homecomputer Live 1981 Taschenrecher Live 1981 Das Modell The Model Musique Non Stop The Telephone Call The Robots 1978 The Robots 1991 Radioactivity (some primitive computer game looking graphics) So=85come on let=92s trade away. I really want those live records. Contac= t me by=20 e-mail to arrange postage shit. np Ryde or Die, vol. 2 <> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Radio tip: Oskar Sala (OT) Date: 15 Jul 2000 12:23:39 +0200 > Diese Nachricht ist im MIME-Format. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --MS_Mac_OE_3046508667_96869_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thursday, July 18, is Oskar Sala's 90th birthday! About 14.40 MESZ, Deutschlandradio Berlin will send a 15-minute-feature entitled "Musiker und Techniker - Oskar Salas Leben fuer sein Trautonium". For frequencies see http://www.dradio.de/cgi-bin/user/fm1004/es/neu-freq-listb/ BTW, here's a short Sala bio (german language): http://www.mdr.de/geschichte/archiv/personen/o-sala.htm Jan ^^^v^^^ --MS_Mac_OE_3046508667_96869_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Radio tip: Oskar Sala (OT) Thursday, July 18, is Oskar Sala's 90th birthday!  About 14.40 MESZ, D= eutschlandradio Berlin will send a 15-minute-feature entitled "Musiker = und Techniker - Oskar Salas Leben fuer sein Trautonium".

For frequencies see http://www.dradio.de/cgi-bin/u= ser/fm1004/es/neu-freq-listb/

BTW, here's a short Sala bio (german language): http://www.mdr.de/geschicht= e/archiv/personen/o-sala.htm

Jan ^^^v^^^

--MS_Mac_OE_3046508667_96869_MIME_Part-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Once more: Radio tip Oskar Sala (OT) Date: 15 Jul 2000 13:34:12 +0200 On July 18, 19.15 - 19.30 MESZ, NDR 4 Info will send a 15-minutes-feature "Zeitzeichen - 18. Juli 1910: Geburtstag des Komponisten Oskar Sala". For frequencies see http:/www.ndr4.de , real audio stream is also available. The same feature can also be heard on WDR Radio 5, 9.05 - 9.20 and 19.45 - 20.00 MESZ. See http://www.wdr5.de/zeitzeichen/index.phtml?zeige_datum=2000-07-18&btgid=42#0 Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Circuit bending speak and spell Date: 15 Jul 2000 19:45:50 +0100 Check out the interview with Sonic Boom of Spectrum and hear his circuit bending experiments with speak and spell http://www.pansiecola.demon.co.uk/space/inappropriate/circuitbend/open.htm Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: (kw) Elektric Music Date: 15 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 Anyone want to buy the Elektric Musik CD before I take it back?!?!?!?!?! It sounds too........auh....commercial(?) 4 me!!!!! :-/ Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Boettcher Subject: (kw) The KW Media Center is OPEN! Date: 15 Jul 2000 21:15:26 +0200 You remember 'The Kraftwerk Media Center' I mentioned last month? http://www.kraftwerk.webprovider.com/ is now WORING! Some days ago Federico Louhau, the owner of the pages, wrote me that the problem with the site is finally solved. Today I took a quick look at the pages. There's some good material (photos, videos and music) and everything presented with a nice design. Not very rare or new material, but OK. Enjoy it! Dirk from Hamburg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) Circuit bending speak and spell Date: 15 Jul 2000 16:15:47 -0400 Paul Martland wrote: > Check out the interview with Sonic Boom of Spectrum and hear his circuit > bending experiments with speak and spell > > http://www.pansiecola.demon.co.uk/space/inappropriate/circuitbend/open.htm > > Paul > > Hummmmm........Not what I was expecting but .....well.....it's ...auh....interesting. :-/ However.....many greetinx from a German writing style, American Kraftwerk fan!!!! :-)) *LOL* Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Tim Barr? Date: 15 Jul 2000 16:33:32 -0600 Howdy all, I had started a trade with Tim Barr (timbarr@dircon.co.uk) and sent him some CDRs and haven't heard a word from him since (his email address doesn't bounce, but it's a black hole). I don't really think he's ripping me off, I'm just wondering if anyone on the list knows how I can get ahold of him? Thanks, Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Francesco Gardinali Subject: (kw) GREAT! Date: 15 Jul 2000 10:15:35 +0200 Finally I got it. Kraftwerk Expo 2000 CDEM 562 at Virgin Megastore, Milan, Italy. Tracklist: 1 Expo 2000 Radio Mix - 3.35 2 Kling Klang Mix 2000 - 6.48 3 Kling Klang Mix 2002 - 5.36 4 Kling Klang Mix 2001 - 3.50 It's simply GREAT. Kraftwerk are always leader. Try Expo 2000 Kling Klang Mix 2002: it's great Kraftwerk. If you want more, put your cd in your PC and you'll get the best of minimal, 3D minimal computer graphics and great video without any stupid installation or "I agree" or other boring software stuff. So, Kraftwerk as always have made the best and they're still leader of techno. Great. Bye, Francesco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonas Lantz Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos live in Arvika Date: 16 Jul 2000 15:54:59 +0200 I saw Karl Bartos live at the Arvika Festival yesterday. He played two Electric music songs (Television and an electronic version of Young urban professional) and the rest of the songs were versions of old classics like Neon lights, man machine, the model, computer world, Tour the France and others. His versions sounded a little bit different from the original song but it was quite good and Karl seemed to be in a good mood :-) Not at all amazing of anything but quite a nice way to spend the hour before Moby played the biggest stage and HE was fantastic as always :-) Jonas -- ____________________________ E-mail: jonas.lantz@home.se website: www.jonaslantz.nu ICQ: 4388784 Fax: +31 794 64 68 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: (kw) TRADE?!?!?! Date: 16 Jul 2000 11:17:57 -0400 Would anyone like to trade"Elektric Music" CD for a CDR of ( Kraftwerk @) The Tribal Gathering?!?! If so I will pay for shipping costs!!!!!! :-)) Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos Date: 16 Jul 2000 14:23:29 -0400 I just bought "Raise the Pressure" by Electronic because of the substantial contributions made by one of our favorite ex 'werkers. Should I expect to be disappointed? I'm no fan of the Smiths, and I'm only somewhat a fan of New Order, despite some good songs. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivo Peeters" Subject: Re: (kw) off topic Date: 16 Jul 2000 23:27:41 +0200 I think you mean "Saltwater" by Chicane (feat. Maire Brennan). > > Does anybody know the name of a dance track released last year that was > based around an old Clannad song - Harry`s game I think? > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos Date: 16 Jul 2000 23:32:00 -0700 >To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com >Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:23:29 -0400 >Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos >From: muziknut2@juno.com > > >I just bought "Raise the Pressure" by Electronic because of the >substantial contributions made by one of our favorite ex 'werkers. Should >I expect to be disappointed? I'm no fan of the Smiths, and I'm only >somewhat a fan of New Order, despite some good songs. Peace. > I think you should expect to be disappointed, yes; the way I see it, it is the task of the producer to help the artist make the record he wants to make, and in this case, that was a typically English album with guitars. I hate it, but that's not Karl's fault; this was the record he was hired to make. Now, for the Oasis rip-off he issued last year, there can be no excuse. (It's been a long time since anyone mentioned that particular fiasco on this mailing list; I'm sorry if I've brought back unpleasant memories.) TU Support Team / PornIndustry.com / webmaster@pornindustry.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Karl Bartos Date: 17 Jul 2000 17:58:46 +0200 muziknut wondered: > Should I expect to be disappointed? That entirely depends on what type of music makes you dance. It seems th= at being invited to Manchester to work with Electronic (and Liverpool to work with O.M.D.) pr= ovided Bartos with an opportunity to reconnect with his musical roots - Motown, The Beatles, Ro= lling Stones, and The Who - as he told Jonathan Miller of Sound on Sound:=20 "When I worked with Johnny Marr in Manchester, he reminded me that I grew= up with guitar playing.=20 It reminded me that I can actually play the guitar, and watching him and = how he plays was a big influence on me, because I think he's one of the coolest players around. = We became friends, and I decided I should make a guitar record - not just a guitar record by putti= ng some guys together, playing guitars, but a guitar record made using my skills with the comput= er, with technology, sampling, and sequencing. I wanted to make a real hybrid record." Despite the fact that "Raise the Pressure," the Mobile Homes self titled = album, and the subsequent "Electric Music" album all have 'acoustic' stamped on them, major parts o= f these albums are heavily programmed. "There are live guitars, but also a lot of sampled guitars, = which I put into the computer step by step. I play a chord and sample it, then play a lot of = chords and put them in a row. Or I play in individual notes - C, E, G - in a guitar tuning. A lo= t of it is played originally, but then cut in pieces later. You get nice results if you ha= ve a human feel, and you add some machinery to it. It's like a patchwork or collage," Bartos told= Sound on Sound. "So for a C Major chord, the top string would be E, the next C, the next = one G, and so on. If you follow that path, you have a guitar voicing. The next thing I do is sam= ple the guitar C chord twice; the down stroke and up stroke. Then I sequence the whole song usi= ng that technique - and play along to that, live. I end up with this very strange feel that nobo= dy can work out - is it artificial, or is it real? To me, it's like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Pa= rk. They look so damn real, you're frightened when you see them, but you know they're artificia= l. I'm really after that hybrid style." [http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/mar98/articles/electric.htm= l] Although credited with composing on seven of the thirteen tracks on "Rais= e the Pressure," Bartos seems to have contributed to the album in its entirety as far as techniqu= e and harmonies go. On some of the tracks (like "Until the End of Time" & "If You've Got Love") = his presence is clear, while on others (Isn't that Karl providing b-vox on "One Day"?) not as ea= sily discernible. Should you prefer a more traditionally 'electronic' sound, I suggest you seek ou= t the first two singles released from "Raise the Pressure" - "Forbidden City" & "For You" contain= ing the tracks "Imitation of Life" & "I Feel Alright" - or the recently released Flatz album "Love = & Violence." - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) GREAT! Date: 17 Jul 2000 10:21:03 PDT >Kraftwerk Expo 2000 CDEM 562 at Virgin Megastore, Milan, Italy. >Tracklist: >1 Expo 2000 Radio Mix - 3.35 >2 Kling Klang Mix 2000 - 6.48 >3 Kling Klang Mix 2002 - 5.36 >4 Kling Klang Mix 2001 - 3.50 number 4 is a new mix to me! I´ve only seen and heard the ...mix 2001 - 6.50 >If you want more, put your cd in your PC and you'll get the best of >minimal, 3D minimal computer graphics and great video I havnt seen these 3D graphics. Could you please describe it or make it avaliable somewhere? Thanxs /Drella ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) GREAT! Date: 17 Jul 2000 10:21:24 PDT >Kraftwerk Expo 2000 CDEM 562 at Virgin Megastore, Milan, Italy. >Tracklist: >1 Expo 2000 Radio Mix - 3.35 >2 Kling Klang Mix 2000 - 6.48 >3 Kling Klang Mix 2002 - 5.36 >4 Kling Klang Mix 2001 - 3.50 number 4 is a new mix to me! I´ve only seen and heard the ...mix 2001 - 6.50 >If you want more, put your cd in your PC and you'll get the best of >minimal, 3D minimal computer graphics and great video I havnt seen these 3D graphics. Could you please describe it or make it avaliable somewhere? Thanxs /Drella ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde (semi-OT) Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:29:57 +0200 On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:42:14 +0200 (CEST), Kaspar Larsen wrote: > >But IMHO Kraftwerks music is not suitable for dancing, >with the exception of Pocket Calculator. RActivity is very catshy, as well as Numbers / computer-world, the model, and the new tracks performed live..... and don't forget Expo 2000 KK 2002 I disagree # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) maybe a lil' bit >> OFF TOPIK !!! << but there's a new rubric from now on @ the official CyberNetX Media homepage : the "specials" site is online by now ! ;-) Date: 17 Jul 2000 21:26:21 +0200 Gletscherhi freax ! ;-) +++ NEWS ( Update : 17th of July 2000 ) +++ there's a new rubric from now on @ the official CyberNetX Media homepage : the "specials" site is online by now ! ;-) it's currently only available in german , but there are lots of different & interesting themes & features ! ;-) here's the link to the site : Specials check it out now !!! ;-) p. s. : tomorrow ( 18th of july 2000 ;-) is the birthday of two very important personalities for me !!! my grandfather will be 88 years old & OSKAR SALA will be 90 years old then & they are both still in good shape !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany ! ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Best Album? New poll, I suggest! Date: 18 Jul 2000 00:23:40 +0200 (CEST) Well, the tile should say it all. My saying in this would be: Trans Europa Express (german version, notice) Why? Because I am in LOVE with "Europa Endlos" Yours sincerelly Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Best Album? New poll, I suggest! Date: 17 Jul 2000 15:36:32 -0700 All of the albums are perfect in their own way. I couldn't possibly pick one above all others. They're all so different from each other. "Kraftwerk 1" is perfect for a noisy mood. "Ralf & Florian" and "Trans-Europe Express" are great for thoughtful meditation. "Radioactivity" takes the mind into another world. "The Mix" and "Autobahn" are excellent for car trips. "The Man-Machine" has longer, more flowing pieces, every note being perfection. "Computer World" has shorter, more concise tracks, the ultimate pop music. And everything else that I didn't list is still a million times better than the "music" that plays on Top 40 radio! ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut Date: 18 Jul 2000 09:32:51 +1000 Hi all, I take my hat of to Uwe Schmitt, you are a genius, this album is brilliant, so crazy, I was laughing through the whole thing. And best thing of all? NO SAMPLING of any KW sound/music what so ever!!!!! To recreate it all from scratch shows how good a musician Atom Heart is. A true masterpiece, recommended to all KW fans. Does anyone have the japanese pressing? I've heard it has the missing track (radioactivity) Regards, Vladimir Tittl __________________________________ http://living-net.com Uncompromised Hosting Solutions mailto:vt@living-net.com Phone: (+61) 0500 57 5557 Fax: (+61) 03 5165 3463 __________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) email Date: 18 Jul 2000 01:44:36 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! i wrote myself (;-) : > Gletscherhi freax ! ;-) GEE !!! *LOL* ;-))) it should be only " hi freax ! ;-) " ... but that "Gletscher" was the rest of the original html-message !!! *BWG* ;-))) sorry for that lil' "miss-take" !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx again to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my currently updated website ( SOME PIX & SOME SOUND NOW !!! ;-) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ouija@mail.com Subject: Re: (kw) Best Album? New poll, I suggest! Date: 17 Jul 2000 23:18:43 -0400 Jason Polland >"Kraftwerk 1" is perfect for a noisy mood. While I certainly can understand why you'd associate this Kraftwerk album wityh a more "noisy" aesthetic than most of the others, I just find it ironic that when I think of this LP, I automatically think of my favorite track on it ("Megaherz"), which happens to give way in its latter half to some of the most quiet, soothing, & peaceful soundscapes I've ever heard. Kudos to KW for providing something for everyone. :-) ouija@mail.com _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) maybe a lil' bit >> OFF TOPIK !!! << but there's a new rubric from now on @ the official CyberNetX Media homepage : the "specials" site is online by now ! ;-) Date: 17 Jul 2000 21:39:14 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:26 PM from now on @ the official CyberNetX Media homepage : the "specials" site is online by now ! ;-) > Gletscherhi freax ! ;-) GEE !!! *LOL* ;-))) it should be only " hi freax ! ;-) " ... but that "Gletscher" was the rest of the original html-message !!! *BWG* ;-))) sorry for that lil' "miss-take" !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx again to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my currently updated website ( SOME PIX & SOME SOUND NOW !!! ;-) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang Zweitausend Date: 18 Jul 2000 12:10:19 +0200 Hello list just upgraded my old AlmostNeverUpgraded website, go in to see some of my=20= homemade (at my homecomputer) desktopthemes=2E Soon I will put up the HighRes originals as well, but i have to go through=20= all my CD:r:s for the old ones=2E=2E=2E Nice if I get some comments=2E Regards / Johan http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: r.poolton@talk21.com Subject: (kw) Official KW MP3s? Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:24:58 BST In the most aggressive move to sell digital downloads by a major label so far, EMI has made an extensive archive of its music catalogue available online. On Monday, EMI announced that 200 singles and 100 full-length albums from its back catalogue would go on sale on the Web on Tuesday. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Page Subject: (kw) Trying to find Pascal Bussy's book Date: 19 Jul 2000 11:26:31 +1000 > Greetings Kraftwerk list members. > I am Peter Page, a 44 year old in Sydney, Australia, with a recently > rekindled interest in Kraftwerk, and I have just joined the list. > I have read the FAQ, and recently bought The Man-Machine and Trans Europe > Express CDs, having owned Computer World on vinyl when it first came out. > Just at present I have really gone mad for Europe Endless and Franz > Schubert tracks on TEE, which I play over and over. > I would love to read the Bussy book, but I cannot find it anywhere here in > a library or bookstore, nor at Amazon.com (out of print), though it is > available at WH Smith for too much money (almost 30 UK Pounds including > shipping). Can anyone on the list please sell me a second-hand copy, or > lend it to me just while I read it - I would certainly return it promptly > in good condition? Many thanks. > > Peter Page > Sydney, Australia > Tel 61-2-9365 76935 > peter.page@cwo.com.au > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) EMI sell mp3s... Date: 19 Jul 2000 06:06:34 GMT but no Kraftwerk :( ohwell, another day, another dollar/mark/pound/yen/lira ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: (kw) The EXPO 2000 Date: 19 Jul 2000 11:52:16 -0400 Slightly off topic, but interesting news from Deutsche Welle: "The news coming from the EXPO 2000 world exposition in Hanover is not so good, with the number of visitors expected being revised downwards and financial losses spiralling - in fact, to quote Het Financielle Dagblad in the Hague - EXPO's threatening to become a full-blown disaster, one which could seriously damage Germany's reputation. But, the paper says, the country's only got itself to blame - there were plenty of warnings early on against excessive optimism." Mike (mm@udel.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Daw" Subject: Re: (kw) Official KW MP3s? Date: 19 Jul 2000 19:05:58 +0100 > In the most aggressive move to sell digital downloads by a major label so far, EMI has made an extensive archive of its music catalogue available online. > > On Monday, EMI announced that 200 singles and 100 full-length albums from its back catalogue would go on sale on the Web on Tuesday. What is the address of this page? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Robots / Radioactivity UK Cd Singles Date: 19 Jul 2000 23:33:19 +0200 On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:06:57 +0100, Mark Reed wrote: > > > HI all > >I've still got these, if anybody out here wants them,... I'm interested in >foreign langauge versions of the albums. Is the german language Electric >Cafe still available on CD? sure, but you should buy it from a german Web store to get it at a reasonable price. for example www.bigbag.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Radioaktivitat cover question Date: 20 Jul 2000 04:59:58 +0200 (CEST) Could anyone tell me who the fellow is in the lover right corner on the inner pages of the Radioaktivitat cover? He looks to have something to do with the 'News', one of the tracks. Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 19 Jul 2000 21:39:42 +0200 Found at http://www.sisterray.co.uk/catalog.htm Y "Expo 2000" CDS 5.99 DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) Official KW MP3s? Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:19:23 GMT > > In the most aggressive move to sell digital downloads by a major label >so >far, EMI has made an extensive archive of its music catalogue available >online. > > > > On Monday, EMI announced that 200 singles and 100 full-length albums >from >its back catalogue would go on sale on the Web on Tuesday. > >What is the address of this page? try http://www.emimusic.com or http://www.emimusic.de I couldn't get through to the .com address yesterday (perhaps they are busy? ;) ) but when I eventually got through to the .de site I looked for kraftwerk mp3s and there is nothing at the moment - just a few samples from the official albums. nothing from techno pop or anything else which would surprise most of the members of this list. having said that, kraftwerk aren't the only band in the world, are they? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) Radioaktivitat cover question Date: 20 Jul 2000 00:22:54 -0700 DQoNCj5EYXRlOiBUaHUsIDIwIEp1bCAyMDAwIDA0OjU5OjU4ICswMjAwIChDRVNUKQ0KPkZy b206ID0/aXNvLTg4NTktMT9xP0thc3Bhcj0yMExhcnNlbj89IDxkcl93aG9fZGtAeWFob28u ZGs+DQo+U3ViamVjdDogKGt3KSBSYWRpb2FrdGl2aXRhdCBjb3ZlciBxdWVzdGlvbg0KPlRv OiBLcmFmdHdlcmsgTWFpbGluZ2xpc3QgPGtyYWZ0d2Vya0B4bWlzc2lvbi5jb20+DQo+DQo+ DQo+Q291bGQgYW55b25lIHRlbGwgbWUgd2hvIHRoZSBmZWxsb3cgaXMgaW4gdGhlIGxvdmVy DQo+cmlnaHQgY29ybmVyIG9uIHRoZSBpbm5lciBwYWdlcyBvZiB0aGUgUmFkaW9ha3Rpdml0 YXQNCj5jb3Zlcj8gDQoNCkhlIGlzIGRlc2lnbmVyLyBseXJpYyB3cml0ZXIgRW1pbCBTY2h1 bHQuIE5vdGljZSBob3cgdGhlIHBpY3R1cmUgaXMgc3F1YXJlIGluIHNvbWUgcHJlc3Npbmdz LCBidXQgdHJpbW1lZCBzbnVnbHkgYXJvdW5kIGhpbSBpbiBvdGhlcnM/IFRoYXQncyBoaXMg dG91Y2ghIEdlbmlvdXMuIA0KDQpIZSBsb29rcyB0byBoYXZlIHNvbWV0aGluZyB0byBkbyB3 aXRoIHRoZQ0KPidOZXdzJywgb25lIG9mIHRoZSB0cmFja3MuDQoNCk1heWJlIGhlJ3Mgb25l IG9mIHRoZSB2b2ljZXM/IEJlY2F1c2UgSSBkb24ndCB0aGluayB0aGUgUmFkaW8gQnJlbWVu IGFubm91bmNlciAoaW4gcGFydGljdWxhcikgc291bmRzIGxpa2UgUmFsZiBI/HR0ZXIsIGFu ZCBLbGF1eiBaYWVwa2Ugc2V6IGhlIGZpZ3VyZXMgbm9uZSBvZiB0aGUgdm9pY2VzIGFpbid0 IFdvbGZnYW5nIEZs/HIuDQoNCkkgcmVjZW50bHkgaGVhcmQgdGhlIFJhZGlvYWN0aXZpdHkg Q0Qgb24gYSCjMTAsMDAwKyBzdGVyZW8gc3lzdGVtIHdpdGggZXhwZXJpbWVudGFsIGxvdWRz cGVha2VycyBieSBhIGxvY2FsIChOb3J3ZWdpYW4pIG1hZCBzY2llbnRpc3Qgd2hvIHdhbnRl ZCBhYnNvbHV0ZSBjbGFyaXR5LiBJIHRoaW5rIEkgY291bGQgZ3Jhc3AgYSBsb3QgbW9yZSBv ZiB0aGUgbHlyaWNzIGlmIEkgaGFkIGFjY2VzcyB0byBhIHN0ZXJlbyBzeXN0ZW0gbGlrZSB0 aGF0LCBhbmQgYSBiaXQgbW9yZSB0aW1lLg0KDQpUVQ0KDQoNCg0KDQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NClN1cHBv cnQgVGVhbSAvIFBvcm5JbmR1c3RyeS5jb20gLyB3ZWJtYXN0ZXJAcG9ybmluZHVzdHJ5LmNv bQ0KDQoNCg== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Trans- Europa- Express Date: 19 Jul 2000 17:09:23 +0200 From http://www.my-world.de/ Trans- Europa- Express. Autor: Farrel, Catherine Erscheinungsdatum: 02.2000 DM 127.99 EUR 65.44 Die Ergebnisse stammen aus folgenden Sortimenten. W=E4hlen Sie einfach die entsprechende Seite der Ergebnisliste aus! Wir haben heute 1 Artikel f=FCr Sie im Angebot. B=FCcher [The results originate from the following assortments. Select simply the appropriate page of the result list! We have today 1 article for you in t= he supply. Books.] International Farrel, Catherine Trans- Europa- Express. Lieferzeit gr=F6=DFer 2 Wochen [Delivery time greater 2 weeks] ISBN: 0-340-77169-0 Erschienen: 02.2000 DM 127.99 EUR 65.44 End of quote. Seemingly, this is a book. Sorry, I have no more details. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Aha! Date: 20 Jul 2000 14:36:21 +0100 FWIW, it seems I'm connected back with the list... Web page of the day: http://members.tripod.de/cybernetx/intro.html - OJ, you look quite respectable and sane! Olaffing out loud! :-) OK The new voice of Dogbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitat cover question Date: 20 Jul 2000 15:00:56 GMT Its Emil Schult. For a long time he worked with Kraftwerk like a fifth member. Just like the other four on the inner sleave have instruments in their hands so does he; a brush, a pencil and an airbrush. He made the artwork on many of Kraftwerks records and he also wrote many lyrics togehter with Hütter. He also appears on the cover of Autobahn in the little mirror on the left of the stearingwheel. /Andréas >Could anyone tell me who the fellow is in the lover >right corner on the inner pages of the Radioaktivitat >cover? He looks to have something to do with the >'News', one of the tracks. >Kaspar D. Larsen ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) German CD's Date: 20 Jul 2000 11:09:20 -0700 >>I've still got these, if anybody out here wants them,... I'm interested >>in foreign langauge versions of the albums. Is the german language >>Electric Cafe still available on CD? >sure, but you should buy it from a german Web store to get it at a >reasonable price for example www.bigbag.de FYI, I've just ordered the German versions of the following albums, and this is what I've paid (US dollars) for them: from http://www.towerrecords.com 22.99 Mix (Ger), 17.99 Electric Cafe (Ger), 19.99 Die Mensch Maschine, 17.99 Computerwelt. and from http://www.cdworld.com 13.97 Radio-aktivitat, 12.87 Autobahn (Ger), 20.67 Trans Europa Express. Enrique np: Ein Deutsches Album (#3), Peter Gabriel (paid 13.99 for it :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) It's been a while... Date: 20 Jul 2000 18:19:26 GMT I've been trying to post things for several weeks, but I seem to have fallen off the loop; I get other peoples' messages but my own don't arrive, so I've gone and re-enlisted. Anyway... About Senor Coconut: Somebody (it was a while ago) wrote: "A true masterpiece, recommended to all KW fans. Does anyone have the japanese pressing? I've heard it has the missing track (radioactivity)" Yes, it's a great set of cover versions. The Radio-Activity track is a bit lightweight by comparison, too jolly; I think if it was a more aggressive Samba style (like you might hear in a Rio carnival) it would be better. BTW, I ws in a record shop in Soho, London at the weekend and came across vinyl versions of the June issue of the album and the Tour de France 12". I ended up buying just the TdF CD single in the end and I do like the intrumental version of Expo2000 alot - very powerful. The single's radio edit of Tour de France is better (more coherent) than the album version, though a little shorter. In fact I seriously thought about sending a copy to the Kelme pro-cycling team in the real Tour de France, as inspiration for their Spanish & Columbian riders -- not that they need it, they're doing so well at the moment. If I'd found the single a week earlier I'd probably have done it! About Nachrichten: Somebody else wrote (about Emil Schult): "Maybe he's one of the voices? Because I don't think the Radio Bremen announcer (in particular) sounds like Ralf H=B8tter, and Klauz Zaepke sez he figures none of the voices ain't Wolfgang Fluer." I can imagine that Kraftwerk, in their quest for thoroughness of concept, might have invited the actual newsreaders of the radio stations concerned to read the various texts; otherwise it wouldn't have sounded very authentic in 1975, would it? Anyway, I hope the list remembers me in future. :) You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) photos on websites & stuff ;-) Date: 20 Jul 2000 21:31:03 +0200 (MET DST) hi kwf's ! faq master "K" came up with this : > FWIW, it seems I'm connected back with the list... < welcome home again , mate !!! ;-) btw : the same to my other "homie" , sir richie marston !!! *G+* ;-) > Web page of the day: http://members.tripod.de/cybernetx/intro.html - OJ, you look quite respectable and sane! Olaffing out loud! :-) < well ... thanx a whole lot for this nice lil' hint !!! *G+* ;-) btw : there's still more to come ... in the near future !!! so watch out !!! *smart_grin* ;-) > OK The new voice of Dogbert < " dogman go woof ! " ;-) however ... many greetinx again to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my currently updated website ( SOME PIX & SOME SOUND NOW !!! ;-) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "xelius" Subject: (kw) to speech synths and vocoders fans (O.T.) Date: 20 Jul 2000 23:31:59 +0200 2 very interesting and cool sites for the werkers intrigued by speech machines: http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoders.html http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/davies/vocpage.htm in the last one there's an article by Ing Dietrich Buder about Sehnneiser VSM201 analog vocoder concept and developement. ( but in german) On Germankraft web pages they said that KWK have a custom version of the VSM201. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Nachrichten Date: 20 Jul 2000 14:39:00 GMT "Maybe he's one of the voices? Because I don't think the Radio Bremen announcer (in particular) sounds like Ralf Hutter, and Klauz Zaepke sez he figures none of the voices ain't Wolfgang Fluer." I can imagine that in their quest for thoroughness Kraftwerk might have invited the actual newsreaders of the radio stations concerned to read the various texts; otherwise it wouldn't have sounded very authentic in 1975, would it?=20 You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut CD, LP & 12" Date: 20 Jul 2000 14:36:28 GMT "A true masterpiece, recommended to all KW fans. Does anyone have the japanese pressing? I've heard it has the missing track (radioactivity)" Yes, it's a great set of cover versions. The Radio-Activity track is a bit lightweight by comparison, too jolly; I think if it was a more aggressive Samba style (like you might hear in a Rio carnival) it would be better. btw, I ws in a record shop in Soho, London at the weekend and came across vinyl versions of the June issue of the album and the Tour de France on CD and 12" vinyl. I ended up buying just the TdF CD single in the end and I do like the intrumental version of Expo2000 alot - very powerful. The single's radio edit of Tour de France is better (more coherent) than the album version, though a little shorter. In fact I seriously thought about sending a copy to the Kelme cycling team in the real Tour de France, as inspiration (not that they need it, they're doing so well at the moment) for their Spanish & Columbian riders. If I'd found the single a week earlier I'd probably have done it! You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut review Date: 21 Jul 2000 09:01:56 -0700 'Se=F1or Coconut Heats Up Chilly Kraftwerk Classics' http://www.sonicnet.com/news/archive/story.jhtml?id=3D1122218&pid=3D9103= 56 This CD is a lot of fun, fun, fun on tribute laaaand (good for a = change, BTW). Never mind that "chilly" remark on Sonicnet' review. If you believe Kraftwerk classics are dark, cold, and non-danceable, well, you're in = for a big surprise. El Baile Aleman is true to the spirit of KW's music, = which is colorful, warm and very danceable :-) Two thumbs up!=20 I'm in love with this CD... Enrique np: El Baile Aleman, Japanese edition # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover (was Radioaktivitat cover question) Date: 22 Jul 2000 13:57:54 +0200 Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m wrote > Its Emil Schult. > He also appears on the cover of Autobahn in the little mirror on the le= ft > of the stearingwheel. No. Schult doesn't appear in the rear-view mirror (which is in the right) but on the lower left corner of the cover. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Max Totten Subject: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk MP3 Sites? Date: 22 Jul 2000 23:27:24 -0700 Greetings All, Please excuse my question here, since I know you all must have heard it 1000's times already. but since I may use this excuse once, and only once. because Iam "new" to the list I like to find out the best URL for downloading Kraftwerk MP3's, any and all suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks again for being patience will such a ageless request. Iam looking forward to an exciting and eventful time here on the list. Take Care All! Regards, Max Totten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kraftwerk 81" Subject: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 23 Jul 2000 19:32:13 GMT Hey guys, I was wondering if any of our beloved German friends could translate the phrase, "Life Is Pain, Death Is The Reward" for me in DEAD PERFECT GERMAN. I have used all of the online translators before, and as you all know, they give mixed results. The reason why it has to be DEAD PERFECT is because I was considering getting this phrase tattooed across my chest. So it has to be exactly right or else it'll be fucked up permanently on my body !!!! ;-P TIA, Josh (Kraftwerk 81) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk MP3 Sites? Date: 23 Jul 2000 13:44:18 -0700 (PDT) You can SEARCH the Kraftwerk Mailing List Archives for *MP3* (or anything else that you want) at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unhj/cgi-bin/search.cgi ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dave.holton2@NTL.COM Subject: (kw) Raise the pressure Date: 24 Jul 2000 10:24:04 +0100 >Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:23:29 -0400 >From: muziknut2@juno.com >Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos >I just bought "Raise the Pressure" by Electronic because of the >substantial contributions made by one of our favorite ex 'werkers. = Should >I expect to be disappointed? I'm no fan of the Smiths, and I'm only >somewhat a fan of New Order, despite some good songs. Peace. Bought it last week for =A35 at Our Price (get them while they are hot = - Our Price are folding rapidly) Weird mix of pleasant pop with plaintif little boy lost vocals that we = know and love and more electro pop dance oriented stuff KB assisted in the writing of 5 tracks I believe. Three of the aforementioned synth pop tracks are "Dark Angel" track 7 and "Freefall" Sounds very like New Order but with too much chopping and changing - = you should like the feel of them if you are New Order fan. Track 7 is best = as there are some acid tinges thrown in there and distorted Kraftwerkian/Electric Music distorted vocals and keyboards. They stick = with the instrumental riff for a while (rather than change dramaticaly after = a few bars) and so it gets a bit trippy and then the swoony female vocals = come in - best track on album. I have to say after 1 listen I was going to = sell it . ...but know I am not too sure Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Ralf Beck Date: 23 Jul 2000 14:13:31 +0200 Ralf Beck, the formerly keyboardist of Elektric Music (the Karl Bartos' band), is currently working on a Club 12" of the new Propaganda's track "No return" which will be ready for release soon. Beck has also his new own band, Nalin & Cane. Frim MNS Newsletter #27: New Concept - Wheel of Love New album sounding like a mixture of Human League, Kraftwerk, Erasure and Faithless. Apart from their stylistically diverse own compositions, New Concept also have a knack for cool cover versions. On their new album they pay hommage to Vince Clarke and The Assembly by covering the legendary track "Never, Never". After De/Vision, Wolfsheim, Beborn Beton and Zoon Politicon another hot act on Europe's leading Electropop label Strangeways. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover (was Radioaktivitat cover question) Date: 24 Jul 2000 13:18:16 GMT I wrote > Its Emil Schult. > He also appears on the cover of Autobahn in the little mirror on the left > of the stearingwheel. Der Automat wrote >No. Schult doesn't appear in the rear-view mirror (which is in the >right) >but on >the lower left corner of the cover. I claim that the picture on the left of the stearingwheel is a mirror. From the begining the idea was to have Schult in the backseat of the car instead of Flur. Flur is just cut and paste into the picture. If you take a good look at the picture of Schult in the small mirror you can see that it is a picture of him in the backseat where Flur is. /Andréas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 04:50:30 +0200 On 23-Jul-00 A.D., Kraftwerk 81 carved the following runes about "(kw) OT= :=20 Help With A Translation": =20 > Hey guys, I was wondering if any of our beloved German friends could=20 > translate the phrase, "Life Is Pain, Death Is The Reward" for me in > DEAD PERFECT GERMAN. >=20 > I have used all of the online translators before, and as you all know, > they give mixed results. The reason why it has to be DEAD PERFECT is > because I was considering getting this phrase tattooed across my chest. >=20 > So it has to be exactly right or else it'll be fucked up permanently on= my > body !!!! ;-P *LOL!* OK, write this down carefully on a piece of paper and give it to the tattooist: "Ich bin verr=FCckt, und ich darf nicht gef=FCttert werden!" Maybe some of our German friends could correct my translation if needed, = but I'm sure you'll get your corporal message out to the rest of the world anyway. --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "persuasion5000" Subject: Re: (kw) to speech synths and vocoders fans (O.T.) Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:51:55 -0700 Thanks for the very cool links. Someone might find these useful: To build your own kit vocoder http://www.paia.com/vocoder.htm The ever useful SayIt TTS http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/sayit.htm - a fun way to totally distract your friends is to: 1. create a mono16bit TTS sample - I often use SayIt because of it's simplicity - that and I figured out how to extend the syl-la-ables-s. Try things specifically tuned to your friends thoughts like "Britney did it in the conservatory with a candlestick", or simply get a snippit of your bro/sis in their best form. 2. create mono16bit loop. Remember kids - this will be the main theme so make it simple. I find that this is what those experimental rap cd purchases are for. While you are at it grab something "plinky" too and maybe blend it in or whatnot. 3. download ScratchIt http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/scratch.htm - you'll figure it out. 4. 1 cup chopped nuts (optional) I've made many an answering machine with this method. Here's an old one from last October which features my right hand scratching mightily http://members.xoom.com/MC3P0/download/answering_machine1099.zip %))) b. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:31 PM > > 2 very interesting and cool sites for the werkers intrigued by speech > machines: > > http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoders.html > > http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/davies/vocpage.htm > > in the last one there's an article by Ing Dietrich Buder about Sehnneiser > VSM201 analog vocoder concept and developement. > ( but in german) > > > On Germankraft web pages they said that KWK have a custom version of the > VSM201. ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "persuasion5000" Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut review Date: 24 Jul 2000 17:14:34 -0700 Check what else he's done.. a single.. of TDF - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/music-glance/B00004W4PK/qid=3D964440= 588/s r=3D1-3/104-4418013-7075945 He has apparently done something more recent, possible a 12" release only= : "Reviewer: Vulcan (see more about me) from Germany The first song I have heardt from Senior Coconut ina club was the Expo 2= 000 song (also Kraftwerk in original version), which is unfortunately not on this CD. I was so surprised that I had to ask the DJ what this is. Senior Coconut is a German guy how has reworked a lot of all Kraftwerk songs int= o the latin world and he has done an excellent job." .b ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:01 AM > > > 'Se=F1or Coconut Heats Up Chilly Kraftwerk Classics' > http://www.sonicnet.com/news/archive/story.jhtml?id=3D1122218&pid=3D910= 356 > > This CD is a lot of fun, fun, fun on tribute laaaand (good for a change= , > BTW). > Never mind that "chilly" remark on Sonicnet' review. If you believe > Kraftwerk classics are dark, cold, and non-danceable, well, you're in f= or a > big surprise. El Baile Aleman is true to the spirit of KW's music, whic= h is > colorful, warm and very danceable :-) > Two thumbs up! > I'm in love with this CD... > Enrique > np: El Baile Aleman, Japanese edition ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "persuasion5000" Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 15:57:45 -0700 Are you sure that is a phrase worthy of tatting? And in German no less. What about "albiet macht frei"? It means "have a good day".. %))) .b ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 12:32 PM > > Hey guys, I was wondering if any of our beloved German friends could > translate the phrase, "Life Is Pain, Death Is The Reward" for me in > DEAD PERFECT GERMAN. > > I have used all of the online translators before, and as you all know, they > give mixed results. The reason why it has to be DEAD PERFECT is because I > was considering getting this phrase tattooed across my chest. > > So it has to be exactly right or else it'll be fucked up permanently on my > body !!!! ;-P > > TIA, > > Josh (Kraftwerk 81) ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 07:14:34 -0700 DQoNCj5Gcm9tOiBFbWFudWVsIE1haXIgPG1haXJAbWVkc3R1ZC5ndS5zZT4NCj5UbzogS3Jh ZnR3ZXJrIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdCA8a3JhZnR3ZXJrQGxpc3RzLnhtaXNzaW9uLmNvbT4NCj5E YXRlOiBNb24sIDI0IEp1bCAyMDAwIDA0OjUwOjMwICswMjAwDQo+U3ViamVjdDogUmU6IChr dykgT1QgOiAgSGVscCBXaXRoIEEgVHJhbnNsYXRpb24NCj4NCj4NCj5PbiAyMy1KdWwtMDAg QS5ELiwgS3JhZnR3ZXJrIDgxIGNhcnZlZCB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIHJ1bmVzIGFib3V0ICIo a3cpIE9UIDogDQo+SGVscCBXaXRoIEEgVHJhbnNsYXRpb24iOg0KPiANCj4+IEhleSBndXlz LCBJIHdhcyB3b25kZXJpbmcgaWYgYW55IG9mIG91ciBiZWxvdmVkIEdlcm1hbiBmcmllbmRz IGNvdWxkIA0KPj4gdHJhbnNsYXRlIHRoZSBwaHJhc2UsICJMaWZlIElzIFBhaW4sIERlYXRo IElzIFRoZSBSZXdhcmQiIGZvciBtZSBpbg0KPj4gREVBRCBQRVJGRUNUIEdFUk1BTi4NCj4+ IA0KPj4gSSBoYXZlIHVzZWQgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBvbmxpbmUgdHJhbnNsYXRvcnMgYmVmb3Jl LCBhbmQgYXMgeW91IGFsbCBrbm93LA0KPj4gdGhleSBnaXZlIG1peGVkIHJlc3VsdHMuIFRo ZSByZWFzb24gd2h5IGl0IGhhcyB0byBiZSBERUFEIFBFUkZFQ1QgaXMNCj4+IGJlY2F1c2Ug SSB3YXMgY29uc2lkZXJpbmcgZ2V0dGluZyB0aGlzIHBocmFzZSB0YXR0b29lZCBhY3Jvc3Mg bXkgY2hlc3QuDQo+PiANCj4+IFNvIGl0IGhhcyB0byBiZSBleGFjdGx5IHJpZ2h0IG9yIGVs c2UgaXQnbGwgYmUgZnVja2VkIHVwIHBlcm1hbmVudGx5IG9uIG15DQo+PiBib2R5ICEhISEg Oy1QDQo+DQo+KkxPTCEqDQo+T0ssIHdyaXRlIHRoaXMgZG93biBjYXJlZnVsbHkgb24gYSBw aWVjZSBvZiBwYXBlciBhbmQgZ2l2ZSBpdCB0byB0aGUNCj50YXR0b29pc3Q6DQo+IkljaCBi aW4gdmVycvxja3QsIHVuZCBpY2ggZGFyZiBuaWNodCBnZWb8dHRlcnQgd2VyZGVuISINCj4N Cj5NYXliZSBzb21lIG9mIG91ciBHZXJtYW4gZnJpZW5kcyBjb3VsZCBjb3JyZWN0IG15IHRy YW5zbGF0aW9uIGlmIG5lZWRlZCwgYnV0DQo+SSdtIHN1cmUgeW91J2xsIGdldCB5b3VyIGNv cnBvcmFsIG1lc3NhZ2Ugb3V0IHRvIHRoZSByZXN0IG9mIHRoZSB3b3JsZA0KPmFueXdheS4N Cj4NCj4tLSANCj5FIG0gYSBuIHUgZSBsICBNIGEgaSByIF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCj5lQG1haXIuY29tICBtYWlyQG1lZHN0dWQuZ3Uuc2Ug IFByb2N1bCwgbyBwcm9jdWwgZXN0ZSwgcHJvZmFuaSENCj5odHRwOi8vbWVkc3R1ZC5ndS5z ZS9+bWFpciAgICAgICogdCAgZSAgYSAgbSAgICBBICBNICBJICBHICBBICoNCj4gLi0uIC4t IC0uLiAuLiAtLS0gLS4uLi4tIC4tIC0uLSAtIC4uIC4uLi0gLi4gLSAuLS4tIC0gLi4uLS4t DQoNCklmIHlvdSBkb24ndCBzcGVhayBHZXJtYW4sIHdoeSB3b3VsZCB5b3Ugd2FudCBhIEdl cm1hbiBsYW5ndWFnZSB0YXRvbz8NCk9mIGNvdXJzZSB5b3UgcmVhbGl6ZSB0aGF0IEdlcm1h biBpcyBhIGN1bHR1cmUgYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBhIGxhbmd1YWdlOyBpdCBpcyB0aGVyZWZvcmUg Y3VsdHVyYWxseSBpbXBvc3NpYmxlIHRvIGdldCBhIGRlYWQgcGVyZmVjdCB0cmFuc2xhdGlv biBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2U6IGlmIHlvdSBjYW4gZG8gaXQsIHlvdSBoYXZlIGFic29yYmVk IHNvIG11Y2ggR2VybWFuIGN1bHR1cmUgdGhhdCB5b3Ugd29uJ3QuIA0KDQpUVQ0KDQoNCg0K LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tDQpTdXBwb3J0IFRlYW0gLyBQb3JuSW5kdXN0cnkuY29tIC8gd2VibWFzdGVyQHBv cm5pbmR1c3RyeS5jb20NCg0KDQo= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Krumbein" Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 09:49:33 -0700 >If you don't speak German, why would you want a German language tatoo? >Of course you realize that German is a culture as well as a language; it is therefore culturally impossible to get a dead perfect translation of this message: if you can do it, you have absorbed so much German culture that you won't. Yeah. Not to be mean or anything, but it seems a bit odd to get a tattoo of a language you don't know. People will see it if you're at the pool, or any other shirtless location, and ask if you speak German, then you'll have to answer "No, I just got it tattoed on me". They'd probably think you're quite silly ;) Adam Krumbein Senior News Editor, 3D Portal Network # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 12:43:06 -0700 >*LOL!* >OK, write this down carefully on a piece of paper and give it to the >tattooist: >"Ich bin verr=FCckt, und ich darf nicht gef=FCttert werden!" "I am moved, and I may not be fed?" What does that mean? It almost sounds like a warning at the zoo. Hey Josh, if you get the tatoo, make sure you get a blood tatoo, which is a tatoo without any ink, and it hurts more than a regular, permanent one. It leaves a visible scar and goes away after a few years, which is handy if you happen to change your mind. Real men don't need ink in their tatoos! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Ozzie KW fans, plz read Date: 25 Jul 2000 07:25:18 +0200 (CEST) Hey guys I was wondering, if there was a place in either a) Melbourne, b) Canberra or c)Sydney where I could find some good KW stuff? I'm in desperate search for various bootlegs (mainly live, if they exist) and TDF. Yours sincerelly Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 22:31:24 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:57 AM > Are you sure that is a phrase worthy of tatting? And in German no less. > What about "albiet macht frei"? It means "have a good day".. %))) "arbeit macht frei" was written on the portals of the concentration camps of the nazis !!! THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT FUNNY @ ALL , U SHITSUCKIN' BASTARD !!! *most_grrrim* >:-| oh jay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kraftwerk 81" Subject: (kw) Re : OT : Help With A Translation Date: 24 Jul 2000 20:41:05 GMT TU wrote : >>>>>>If you don't speak German, why would you want a German language >>>>>>tattoo? Of course you realize that German is a culture as well as a >>>>>>language; it is therefore culturally impossible to get a dead perfect translation of this message: if you can do it, you have absorbed so much German culture that you won't. Well, you are totally right. I was considering having it done in a foreign language only because I think it looks and sounds too plain in English. And plus, I wanted it to appear as sort of an enigma to people if they ever saw it. I looked into German because I am half German, although I really can't speak it at all. I just bought an audio course a few months ago, but it's been coming along very slowly. I pondered Spanish, French, and Italian as well ; even a set of Chinese characters, but I wanted to remain somewhat true to my heritage. :-) - Josh ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "persuasion5000" Subject: Re: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Date: 25 Jul 2000 00:03:46 -0700 Gosh guys.. I have a lot of military friends with some latin inscribed on their persons. None of them speak latin, so I suppose this is a stupid example - BUT, who really cares? The German have a lot to offer historically. Total world domination almost being one of them. This strong, albiet quirky message has more of a mysterious cultural exchange then dear Klaus the drunken exchange student even could convey.. sorry Klaus. .b Would it be wrong to have a K message enscribed in German then? I don't speak the language, but I understand the meaning fully. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:49 AM > > >If you don't speak German, why would you want a German language tatoo? > >Of course you realize that German is a culture as well as a language; it is > therefore culturally impossible to get a dead perfect translation of this > message: if you can do it, you have absorbed so much German culture that you > won't. > > Yeah. Not to be mean or anything, but it seems a bit odd to get a tattoo of > a language you don't know. People will see it if you're at the pool, or any > other shirtless location, and ask if you speak German, then you'll have to > answer "No, I just got it tattoed on me". They'd probably think you're quite > silly ;) > > Adam Krumbein > Senior News Editor, 3D Portal Network ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Flatz: Love and Violence Date: 25 Jul 2000 09:00:01 -0600 I just bought Flatz's "Love and Violence" CD. It's on Sony Music Europe, and there's a notice inside that _seems_ (though I don't read German) to say that the disc is copy protected. Sure enough, every PC I tried to put the disc in to listen to it with would spin forever and no applications were able to open the CD drive with the disc in there. I couldn't even play the disc on my PC! FINALLY, I got a PC without a sound card to read the CD, so I ripped the disc to MP3 so I could listen to it on my main PC. However, even then the last track would not rip properly (it would cause ASPI errors). I had to manually tweak the ending position's sector in AudioCatalyst and FINALLY got a good rip. This is rediculous that I have to go to such lengths just to listen to the disc on a PC. Once again convenience is stomped on by fear of financial loss by a corporation. It works in an audio-only drive, but no PCs. However, I'd like the freedom to listen to it on a PC, which is where I spend 10 hours a day at work. Mike -- venting... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Francois K. Date: 25 Jul 2000 08:39:30 -0700 The following take on Kraftwerk was taken from Kevorkian's 'Essential Mix' inner sleeve. (BTW, this is a must have collection) Steven Harvey: Where did you first hear Kraftwerk? Francois: In 1972, when I was in Strasbourg, France. It was the white album with the danger road sign on it. It had a song called "Ruckzuk" which had that mad flanging thing to it. I also remember when 'Trans-Europe Express' came on the scene in New York. At the same time we had Barry White's 'It's Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next To Me', which was so lush and funky. You could play 'Trans-Europe Express' and people would say Yo, are you bugging out? You're taking me to outer space or something. People were so into that beat! After they did that, then "We Are The Robots" and ' Computer World', it was like an apotheosis for me. Steven: They seemed to have had that effect across board. Grand Master Flash told me that when 'Trans-Europe Express' came out, it was one record he could play straight through without doing anything to it. It was already mixed. Enrique np: 'GU009 San Francisco' Sasha # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: Re: (kw) Re : OT : Help With A Translation Date: 25 Jul 2000 12:04:14 -0400 On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:41:05PM +0000, Kraftwerk 81 wrote: > > [...] > I pondered Spanish, French, and Italian as well ; even a set of Chinese > characters, but I wanted to remain somewhat true to my heritage. :-) It depends how far back you want to go with your heritage. A study some years back (around 1987) of mitochondrial DNA showed that we all share a common great-great-...-great grandmother, most likely from Africa. So how about an early primate tattoo? But wait, that's just the human branch of the tree. Maybe a DNA tattoo? No, too earth-centric. A hydrogen molecule? Too physical. Maybe substance from energy. Yin/yang? Hey! Interconnections that don't ignore consciousness. You know.... "Man, nature, technology"? :-D Ok, poorly contrived example, but it's halfway on topic. :-) And now back to your regularly scheduled emailings. Mike (mm@udel.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Flatz: Love and Violence Date: 25 Jul 2000 10:26:05 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Mike Henderson wrote: > FINALLY, I got a PC without a sound card to read the CD, so I ripped the > disc to MP3 so I could listen to it on my main PC. However, even then the > last track would not rip properly (it would cause ASPI errors). I had to > manually tweak the ending position's sector in AudioCatalyst and FINALLY got > a good rip. Did you try using CDParanoia on a Linux box? I bet that would handle it with no problems. > This is rediculous that I have to go to such lengths just to listen to the > disc on a PC. Once again convenience is stomped on by fear of financial loss > by a corporation. It works in an audio-only drive, but no PCs. However, I'd > like the freedom to listen to it on a PC, which is where I spend 10 hours a > day at work. No kidding. I don't even own an audio-only CD player. I have no need for one since I'm always near a PC when I want to listen to music. They're limiting their market. Hardly surprising though considering that schemes like DVD region codes exist only to limit the market. I guess they don't like profits. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lemmens Geert Subject: (kw) download Date: 25 Jul 2000 10:19:43 -0700 (PDT) hi, a few days ago i downloaded a kw mp3 called "Rückstoss Gondoliere". I checked my albums but this song doesn't seem to be on any of the official albums. Can someone tell me something more about this song? Is it perhaps a b-side from a single or maybe they only played it live? And a question for all you Germans out there: what's the English translation of "Rückstoss Gondoliere"? thanx, geert ===== "Thru the darkness of Future Pas The magician longs to see One chance out between two worlds Fire - Walk with me." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey" Subject: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 26 Jul 2000 04:16:05 -0400 Yesterday driving in the car I had Neon Lights playing and my 18 month old daughter was humming along to it. Today in the car I asked her to hum along to the track that was playing (Erasure track) she said no, so I put on another track this time a OMD track, I said hum to this then, she said no, I put Neon Lights on and she clapped her hands and started to hum the tune! Could she be the youngest Kraftwerk fan????? I told my wife and she was devastated!!!!! Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 25 Jul 2000 14:12:09 -0400 LOL, That has to be the cutest story I have heard regarding kraftwerk Thanks for the smiles Nitrous~~ Chris Storey wrote: > Yesterday driving in the car I had Neon Lights playing and my 18 month old > daughter was humming along to it. Today in the car I asked her to hum along > to the track that was playing (Erasure track) she said no, so I put on > another track this time a OMD track, I said hum to this then, she said no, > I put Neon Lights on and she clapped her hands and started to hum the tune! > Could she be the youngest Kraftwerk fan????? I told my wife and she was > devastated!!!!! > Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 25 Jul 2000 19:23:55 +0100 Well... I also heard on another list of some baby who desperately wants to see a singer called Moofy... or Moby for short. ----- Original Message ----- > LOL, > > That has to be the cutest story I have heard regarding kraftwerk > > Thanks for the smiles > Nitrous~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 25 Jul 2000 12:51:41 -0700 Your daughter has good taste in music! That's a very cute story! ---Jason >Yesterday driving in the car I had Neon Lights playing and my 18 month old >daughter was humming along to it. Today in the car I asked her to hum along >to the track that was playing (Erasure track) she said no, so I put on >another track this time a OMD track, I said hum to this then, she said no, >I put Neon Lights on and she clapped her hands and started to hum the tune! >Could she be the youngest Kraftwerk fan????? I told my wife and she was >devastated!!!!! >Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) download Date: 25 Jul 2000 16:32:20 EDT "R=FCckstoss Gondoliere" is available under the name of "Vor Der Blauen Bock= "=20 as a bonus track on the bootleg CD of Organisation's "Tone Float" album. Th= e=20 song was performed live on the TV show Beat Club in 1971 when the line up fo= r=20 Kraftwerk was Florain Schneider, Klaus Dinger, and Michael Rother. The song= =20 has also been called "Interzone" and "Truckstop Gondolero," but the actual=20 title is "R=FCckstoss Gondoliere" according to an interview with Klaus Dinge= r. Sam gele_skylined@yahoo.com writes: << hi, =20 a few days ago i downloaded a kw mp3 called "R=FCckstoss Gondoliere". I checked my albums but this song doesn't seem to be on any of the official albums. Can someone tell me something more about this song? Is it perhaps a b-side from a single or maybe they only played it live? =20 And a question for all you Germans out there: what's the English translation of "R=FCckstoss Gondoliere"? =20 thanx, =20 geert >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Flatz: Love and Violence Date: 25 Jul 2000 18:18:08 +0200 > Von: "Mike Henderson" > Datum: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:00:01 -0600 > An: "Kraftwerk" > Betreff: (kw) Flatz: Love and Violence > > > I just bought Flatz's "Love and Violence" CD. It's on Sony Music Europe, and > there's a notice inside that _seems_ (though I don't read German) to say > that the disc is copy protected. Yes. "You have bought a copy protected CD. If there are any playing problems, contact our hotline ..." (which is a free call number you can reach only within germany). > Sure enough, every PC I tried to put the > disc in to listen to it with would spin forever and no applications were > able to open the CD drive with the disc in there. I couldn't even play the > disc on my PC! On the iMac the CD drive is not blocked, but the record is unplayable too. > This is rediculous that I have to go to such lengths just to listen to the > disc on a PC. Once again convenience is stomped on by fear of financial loss > by a corporation. It works in an audio-only drive, but no PCs. However, I'd > like the freedom to listen to it on a PC, which is where I spend 10 hours a > day at work. Tell it Sony Music: and tell us what they are saying! Best Jan ^^^v^^^ *** * * * * * * don't break the silence. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: Re: (kw) download Date: 25 Jul 2000 21:04:26 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:19 PM > And a question for all you Germans out there: what's > the English translation of "R=FCckstoss Gondoliere"? If it's any help, it is actually R=FCcksto=DF Gondoliere # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover (was Radioaktivitat cover question) Date: 26 Jul 2000 15:15:16 +0200 Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m wrote: > > Its Emil Schult. > > He also appears on the cover of Autobahn in the little mirror on the > > left of the stearingwheel. > > Der Automat wrote > > >No. Schult doesn't appear in the rear-view mirror (which is in the > >right) but on the lower left corner of the cover. > > I claim that the picture on the left of the stearingwheel is a mirror. > From the begining the idea was to have Schult in the backseat of the ca= r > instead of Flur. Flur is just cut and paste into the picture. If you ta= ke > a good look at the picture of Schult in the small mirror you can see th= at it is a > picture of him in the backseat where Flur is. AFAIK the small left mirror in the dashboard reflects the image of Emil Schult while he's driving the car, so he hardly can/could be seated in the backseat. Kraftwerk line-up image appears in the right rear-view mirror. As for the cut&paste matter, it's possible that the image of Karl Bartos (not the one of Fluer) replaces to the one of Klaus Roeder, since Karl substituted to Klaus at the end of the album recording sessions. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 26 Jul 2000 17:29:25 +0200 > Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m wrote: >=20 >>> Its Emil Schult. >>> He also appears on the cover of Autobahn in the little mirror on the >>> left of the stearingwheel. >> Der Automat wrote >>=20 >>> No. Schult doesn't appear in the rear-view mirror (which is in the >>> right) but on the lower left corner of the cover. > Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m wrote: >> I claim that the picture on the left of the stearingwheel is a mirror. >> From the begining the idea was to have Schult in the backseat of the car >> instead of Flur. Flur is just cut and paste into the picture. If you tak= e >> a good look at the picture of Schult in the small mirror you can see tha= t >> it is a >> picture of him in the backseat where Flur is. > Der Automat wrote > AFAIK the small left mirror in the dashboard reflects the image of Emil > Schult > while he's driving the car, so he hardly can/could be seated in the > backseat. > Kraftwerk line-up image appears in the right rear-view mirror. > As for the cut&paste matter, it's possible that the image of Karl Bartos > (not > the one of Fluer) replaces to the one of Klaus Roeder, since Karl > substituted to Klaus at the end of the album recording sessions. A look at the original first edition's cover shows: Andr=E9as is right. Hope this helps. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Bevel" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk live tradin (again!) Date: 26 Jul 2000 02:54:03 GMT Yo, I'm reposting the live shows I'm willing to buy or trade for- I lost my password to my old adress so I don't know what was sent to me about it. Lauschangriff- 31th October 1991 Dusseldorf Germany 12th June 1971 Koln Germany Virtu ex Machine - Tokyo 9 July 1981 L'olympia Paris February 28, 1976 State Theatre Detroit USA June 11, 1998 Utrecht Vrendenburg the Netherlands December 10, 1981 October 18, 1997, ZKM, Karlsruhe, Germany May 24, 1997 Tribal Gathering Luton Hoo, UK Concert Classics (1975) You can go back and look at what I got to trade. Just send the replies to me- I don't really look at the list, not really my thang, namean? What happened to the new album that was supposed to come out? Fuck it- they ain't never gonna come out with a new record. In my life time or theirs. At least the old stuff holds up. np: Beenie Man, Art and Life ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "persuasion5000" Subject: Re: (kw) Re : OT : Help With A Translation Date: 26 Jul 2000 10:31:29 -0700 Wow, you are on the correct path. How about something from the m-set? Probably too complex for an artists hand.. Maybe just the formula to display coordinates iterating. After all, it is the unprinted god. .b ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:04 AM > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:41:05PM +0000, Kraftwerk 81 wrote: > > > > [...] > > I pondered Spanish, French, and Italian as well ; even a set of Chinese > > characters, but I wanted to remain somewhat true to my heritage. :-) > > It depends how far back you want to go with your heritage. A study > some years back (around 1987) of mitochondrial DNA showed that we all > share a common great-great-...-great grandmother, most likely from > Africa. So how about an early primate tattoo? > > But wait, that's just the human branch of the tree. Maybe a DNA tattoo? > > No, too earth-centric. A hydrogen molecule? > > Too physical. Maybe substance from energy. Yin/yang? > > Hey! Interconnections that don't ignore consciousness. > You know.... "Man, nature, technology"? :-D > > Ok, poorly contrived example, but it's halfway on topic. :-) > And now back to your regularly scheduled emailings. > > Mike (mm@udel.edu) ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 26 Jul 2000 11:47:34 EDT Teach 'em right when they're young! My three year old daughter loves "The Robots." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Tattoos Date: 26 Jul 2000 16:25:58 GMT "Hey guys, I was wondering if any of our beloved German friends could translate the phrase, "Life Is Pain, Death Is The Reward" for me ... because I was considering getting this phrase tattooed across my chest. So it has to be exactly right or else it'll be fucked up permanently on my body !!!! ;-P TIA, Josh (Kraftwerk 81)" Why not instead have: "Sogar die gr=F6ssten Stars Leben ihr Leben im Spiegelglas" tattooed in reversed lettering? ;-) You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 26 Jul 2000 19:44:35 +0200 Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > > Teach 'em right when they're young! > > My three year old daughter loves "The Robots." When I heard "The Robots" for the first time, I was four yo and I fell in love with this sound immediately. Believe me, KRAFTWERK still HAVE a big effect on children ;-) -- Gunnar http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey" Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 27 Jul 2000 03:58:27 -0400 > My wife can't stand KW, so I'm not aloud to play it when she is around, > which is fairly tough for my daughter and I. Does anyone else have this > problem with their partner or does your partner love KW along with you???? > > Chris.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Markowski Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 26 Jul 2000 14:43:12 -0400 Hi Chris and everyone, On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:58:27AM -0400, Chris Storey wrote: > > My wife can't stand KW, so I'm not aloud to play it when she is around, > which is fairly tough for my daughter and I. Does anyone else have this > problem with their partner or does your partner love KW along with > you???? My wife is indifferent towards KW, so I get to play it when she's home but she doesn't exactly start dancing around either. My sons, 4 and 7, love KW though. They hop around singing the German version of "Robots" with heavy American accents. :-) Which reminds me of another story... My 1st grade son came home from school slightly annoyed one day. Since it was raining they couldn't go out on the playground for recess, so a teacher put on some Backstreet Boys. My son asked if she would put on Kraftwerk instead (makes a dad proud), but she didn't know who they were. Nathan was a little upset because only one other boy in the class - whose dad designs & builds sound studios - had heard of them. I had to break the bad news that that's one of the things American Kraftwerk fans have to get used to... :-| Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank George Valoczy Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 26 Jul 2000 12:03:00 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Wess wrote: > > Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > > > > Teach 'em right when they're young! > > > > My three year old daughter loves "The Robots." > > When I heard "The Robots" for the first time, I was four yo and I fell > in love with this sound immediately. Believe me, KRAFTWERK still HAVE a > big effect on children ;-) I remember well...The Robots was the song that got me hooked on Kraftwerk, the Mix version. I was seventeen then, I was driving my newly acquired Yugo with my friend riding shotgun, and he asked me if he could put a tape in. I said sure, and The Robots started playing. When I heard "Ja tvoj sluga, ja tvoj rabotnik" I laughed so hard I nearly crashed into a lamppost! The next day I went to the store and bought The Mix, Trans-Europe Express, Autobahn and Computer World... Cheers, Frank -------ferke Ferenc Gy. Valoczy Zeljezni Bik Models http://zeljezni-bik.tripod.com Njeleci ptack k nanej, maceri, ale k rodnej zemi. railways page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3976/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank George Valoczy Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 26 Jul 2000 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Chris Storey wrote: > > > > > My wife can't stand KW, so I'm not aloud to play it when she is around, > > which is fairly tough for my daughter and I. Does anyone else have this > > problem with their partner or does your partner love KW along with > you???? > > > > Chris.... > Mine barely tolerates Kraftwerk, but when it comes to my second favourites, Laibach, she won't budge...though our daughter was singing in German and Slovene before she could write English or Hungarian... Cheers, Frank -------ferke Ferenc Gy. Valoczy Zeljezni Bik Models http://zeljezni-bik.tripod.com Njeleci ptack k nanej, maceri, ale k rodnej zemi. railways page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3976/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ilych@aol.com Subject: (kw) re: welcome to my life, tattoo Date: 26 Jul 2000 15:19:15 EDT >>>Subject: (kw) OT : Help With A Translation Hey guys, I was wondering if any of our beloved German friends could translate the phrase, "Life Is Pain, Death Is The Reward" for me in DEAD PERFECT GERMAN. I have used all of the online translators before, and as you all know, they give mixed results. The reason why it has to be DEAD PERFECT is because I was considering getting this phrase tattooed across my chest. So it has to be exactly right or else it'll be fucked up permanently on my body !!!! ;-P TIA, Josh (Kraftwerk 81) Hey, mate, here's a translation: Du bist ein dummkopf. Tschuss! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 26 Jul 2000 21:53:23 +0200 > Mine barely tolerates Kraftwerk, but when it comes to my second > favourites, Laibach, she won't budge...though our daughter was singing = in > German and Slovene before she could write English or Hungarian... Same here, my wife doesn't like Kraftwerk too much - and she's German! But my 4 years old Daughter liked to sing along to Rammstein's "Engel" No need to say that the wife don't like Rammstein as well! Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 26 Jul 2000 17:33:56 EDT My wife tolerates-to-likes Kraftwerk, depending on the song. She does not consider them the gods of music that I do, but, you can't agree on everything I suppose! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Autobahn cover Date: 26 Jul 2000 21:26:18 +0200 The original picture taken by Barbara Niemoeller shows Huetter, Schneider= , Roeder, and Schult brimming in the backseat of a Mercedes. In Fluer's own words, the retouc= hed version of the picture came about "...since it wasn't certain whether I'd really remain in the b= and /---/ When it was clear that I would continue to remain, [Emil Schult] was ordered to cut o= ut his own head from the final back-cover photo, and stick a picture of my head onto his body. It= had to be a photomontage as there was no time to take a new picture." (Fluer, Ich war ein Roboter= , p.74) Schult however wasn't entirely out of the picture, so to speak; "Schult himself appears = as a small circular photo on the dashboard." (Bussy, Man Machine and Music, p.53) All rather interesting, considering the lawsuit Fluer's got slapped with.= Why wasn't he invited to the original photo shoot? Why doesn't he explain his absence further in = his infamous book? He did outlast Roeder as a robot after all, and claims having been hired by the = band as early as August '73 (or was it July '72? He don't seem to sure himself about the date). = So his head is grafted onto Schult's at the very last moment, he gets the credit on the sleeve, = yet confessed to Tim Barr that "[he] didn't even bother to go to Cologne, since his drum parts were= already on tape." (Barr, >From Duesseldorf to the Future with Love, p.84) Fluer may very well have drummed away off and on for a year or so during = the various Kling Klang sessions that eventually spawned "Autobahn". But what if Huetter, Schnei= der, and Plank in fact created the title track in Cologne from a collage of various rehearsal ta= pes? Could Fluer then really be considered part of the creative process? Or did he just hang a= round when it was convenient? Maintaining the image of a 'creative collective,' with a con= stant flux of collaborators, might very well backfire on Huetter and Schneider in court= . - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! -- "Kraftwerk ist keine Band, es ist ein Konzept, das wir 'Menschmaschine' n= ennen." - Florian Schneider # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk in the charts Date: 26 Jul 2000 23:40:46 +0200 Dirk Boettcher wrote: > I'm interested which kraftwerk titles have ever reached chart rankings = (German/international) and when they had their best position. The Rock in Deutschland encyclopaedia and the various books on Kraftwerk = reveal the following: KRAFTWERK=20 German album, #30 '71. (More than 50.000 - some sources claim 60.000 -= units sold in Germany.) "...the refinement of contemporary electronic music combined with the dyn= amics of rock." (Sounds) "...most interesting representatives of contemporary music Made in German= y." (Musik Express) __ KRAFTWERK 2 German album, #36 '71. "...the anti-stars of the German rock scene." (NRZ) __ RALF & FLORIAN US album re-issue, #160 '75. "...brining the 'air of other planets' to the cities of the West German w= orker youth." (Die Zeit) "musical Chinese water torture, occasionally passable as background but g= enerally irritating." (Rolling Stone #199) __ AUTOBAHN German album, #7; UK album, #25; US album, #5 '75. (Some 450.000 units = sold in the US) German single, #9; UK single, #10; US single, #25 '75. "...durch elektronische Hilfsmittel skurril-vertonte Autobahnfahrt, die m= =E4chtig abgeht." (Sounds) "[Kraftwerk plays] a significant role in progressive music." (Cash Box). __ RADIOAKTIVIT=C4T German album, #22 '76. RADIO-ACTIVITY French album, #1; US album, #140 '76. (Some 100.000 units sold in Franc= e.) "Kraftwerk never adhere to traditional music styles." (Cash Box) "...almost a carbon copy of "Autobahn"'s techniques." (Rolling Stone #203= ) __ TRANS-EUROPA EXPRESS German album, #32 '77. TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS US album, #119 '77; US album re-issue, #67 '78; UK album re-issue, #22 (= or #49) '82. "...a synthesis of electronic effects and rock music with mostly symbolic= quality." (Billboard) "With this album they developed from amateur soundcraftsmen to possibly t= he most interesting band in rock." (NME) __ DIE MENSCH-MASCHINE German album, #12 '78. (Some 600.000 units sold in Germany.) DIE ROBOTER German single, #5 '78. DAS MODELL German single re-issue, #7 '82. THE MAN-MACHINE UK album, #9 '78; album re-issue, UK#5 '82 (Some 100.000 units sold in = the UK.) THE MODEL UK single re-issue, #1 '82. "...an almost perfect fulfilment of their musical and political ambitions= ." (NME) "Contrary to the romantic timbres of Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk is totall= y mechanical and thus inhuman." (Melody Maker) __ COMPUTERWELT German album, #7 '81. COMPUTERWORLD UK album, #15 '81; UK album re-issue, #7 '82.=20 POCKET CALCULATOR UK single, #39 '81. "...bierernst-einf=E4ltige akustische Illustration ihrer Computerwelt" (D= er Spiegel) "...sensationally good /---/ 'Computer World' is their first pop album." = (Melody Maker) __ TOUR DE FRANCE German single, #47; UK single, #22 '83; UK single re-issue, #24 '84. __ MUSIQUE NON STOP German single, #13 '86. ELECTRIC CAF=C9 UK album, #58; US album, #156 '86. __ DIE ROBOTER '91 German single, #18 '91. THE MIX UK album, #15 '91. "[Kraftwerk] have finally outdone themselves and everybody else, too..." = (Spin 8/91) __ EXPO 2000 German single, #34 '99. "[Kraftwerk don't] tell you the answer. They ask you a question, and the= n dress up as robots." (NME) Feel free to add, correct, and expand... - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 26 Jul 2000 19:08:34 -0400 I started dating a very pretty young lady. She was smart,pretty,nice nails :-) However when I put on trans europe express with the lights down low,she said"take that weird music off" I told her I have a headache & she better leave quickly. Ahhh ,to be single & enjoy my choice of music :-) Nitrous~~ Spotnik@aol.com wrote: > My wife tolerates-to-likes Kraftwerk, depending on the song. She does not > consider them the gods of music that I do, but, you can't agree on everything > I suppose! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Markus Formann" Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW / girls and KW Date: 27 Jul 2000 01:35:23 +0200 When I was a student, a female collegue came to me and asked me to help her with a PC-problem. I switched on the repeat-mode of my CD-player and played "Computerwelt" and "Computer Liebe" all the time for almost two hours. She didn´t become my wife but we spent some nice time anyway.... Thanx to R&F! markus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nitrous > To: Spotnik@aol.com > Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW > > > > I started dating a very pretty young lady. > She was smart,pretty,nice nails :-) > However when I put on trans europe express with the lights down low,she > said"take > that weird music off" > I told her I have a headache & she better leave quickly. > > Ahhh ,to be single & enjoy my choice of music :-) > > Nitrous~~ > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk as sleeping "drug" (was: Youngest KW fan) Date: 27 Jul 2000 05:35:01 +0200 (CEST) As a follwup to this interesting topic, I thought that I might have something to say: Recently I had the tough task of having to stay on a plane for some 30 hours (Copenhagen->London->Seoul->Sydney) and one thing I noticed was, that when I turned on my Discman and listened to Kraftwerk (Concert Classics & TEE) that I fell asleep after a few minutes. I tried with other CD's, but then I just kep listening to the text (to figure what they were saying) instead of relaxing. So, am I just weird, or do Kraftwerk has this effect. I recall someone mentioned that TEE was a symphony sort of style. I can only agree. ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Señor Coconut Date: 26 Jul 2000 19:08:06 -0400 I finally got to hear that album--it is one of the funniest things I've ever heard! And that strong Mundo Española accent adds a bizarre element to the whole thing. I'd rather hear Oro Solido do merengue, though. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Re: Autobahn cover + Re: Ozzie fans plz read Date: 27 Jul 2000 08:29:27 +0200 (CEST) 1. Hmm, what cover would that be? Certainly not the one on the CD. Oh well, I guess that's the price I have to pay for not having a Vinyl player (suddently forgot the name of it, yikes!) IMHO the CD cover shows a car driving towards the sunset (roughly scetched) and the inner sleece shows the Autobahn symbol. 2. Damn, I accidently deleted the mail with the respones to my request regarding places in Australia, where I can find some rare/unique KW records. Please repost the name of the shop, and preferably the address as well. YS Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! / wife and KW Date: 27 Jul 2000 16:57:21 +0200 Although I went to school in Germany, all my schoolmates have been very intolerant with my favourite music. Least of them actually knew KRAFTWERK at all ;-) -- Gunnar http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ Mike Markowski wrote: > Which reminds me of another story... My 1st grade son came home from > school slightly annoyed one day. Since it was raining they couldn't > go out on the playground for recess, so a teacher put on some > Backstreet Boys. My son asked if she would put on Kraftwerk instead > (makes a dad proud), but she didn't know who they were. Nathan > was a little upset because only one other boy in the class - whose dad > designs & builds sound studios - had heard of them. I had to break > the bad news that that's one of the things American Kraftwerk fans > have to get used to... :-| -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:54:01 +0200 BTW, as we are discussing the Autobahn cover: Who is the driver sitting at the steering wheel of the Mercedes Benz coming toward us? On the CD cover you can't make it out, but the LP cover (even better the 1975 tour poster) shows clearly that it's a photomontage. The clipping of a face is pasted behind the wheel. Anybody out there who knows? Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (kw) german language albums? Date: 27 Jul 2000 18:07:43 +0100 I'm listening to the German Language versions of the albums... Can anybody catalogue the differences on them to me aside from the obvious fact the vocals are all in German? Some of the tracks sound as if they are completely different recordings... even when they are mostly instrumental... such as Nummern... different drum sounds and fills for example. As well as Ralf slurring a line delibrately on Das Model.. what's all that about? Thanks mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) Wir Fahrn Fahrn Fahrn Auf Der Autobahn!!!! Date: 27 Jul 2000 15:29:49 EDT In a message dated 7/27/00 8:57:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Reetze@t-online.de writes: << BTW, as we are discussing the Autobahn cover: Who is the driver sitting at the steering wheel of the Mercedes Benz coming toward us? On the CD cover you can't make it out, but the LP cover (even better the 1975 tour poster) shows clearly that it's a photomontage. The clipping of a face is pasted behind the wheel. Anybody out there who knows? >> i believe its none other than ralf and florians dear old friend Mr. Emil Schult... and, FYI: on the back cover of autobahn, there's (as we all know) a photo of the group sitting in the back seat of a car.. a long haired ralf, a very young looking florian, some flute toting hippie named klaus, and someone who, from the neck up looks like wolfgang (and, from the neck up, actually IS wolfgang), however wolfgangs body is not wolfgang at all.. if you look closely at wolfgangs face, you'll see that it's been cut-n-pasted over someone else's picture.. originally in the picture, the fourth person in the car was Mr. Emil Schult... :::wir fahrn auf der autobahn:::wir fahrn auf der autobahn:::wir fahrn aur der autobahn:: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 27 Jul 2000 15:31:12 EDT In a message dated 7/27/00 8:57:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Reetze@t-online.de writes: << kraftwerk@xmission.com >> oops .. i thought youwere talking about the face shown in the dash board.. my bad... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: (kw) Tattoos Date: 28 Jul 2000 02:09:18 -0700 DQoNCj5UbzogPGtyYWZ0d2Vya0BsaXN0cy54bWlzc2lvbi5jb20+DQo+U3ViamVjdDogKGt3 KSBUYXR0b29zDQo+RnJvbTogPHJpY2hhcmQubWFyc3RvbkBldXJvc3BvcnQuY29tPg0KPkRh dGU6IFdlZCwgMjYgSnVsIDIwMDAgMTY6MjU6NTggR01UDQo+DQo+DQo+IkhleSBndXlzLCBJ IHdhcyB3b25kZXJpbmcgaWYgYW55IG9mIG91ciBiZWxvdmVkDQo+R2VybWFuIGZyaWVuZHMg Y291bGQgdHJhbnNsYXRlIHRoZSBwaHJhc2UsICJMaWZlIElzDQo+UGFpbiwgRGVhdGggSXMg VGhlIFJld2FyZCIgZm9yIG1lIC4uLiBiZWNhdXNlIEkgd2FzDQo+Y29uc2lkZXJpbmcgZ2V0 dGluZyB0aGlzIHBocmFzZSB0YXR0b29lZCBhY3Jvc3MgbXkNCj5jaGVzdC4gU28gaXQgaGFz IHRvIGJlIGV4YWN0bHkgcmlnaHQgb3IgZWxzZSBpdCdsbCBiZQ0KPmZ1Y2tlZCB1cCBwZXJt YW5lbnRseSBvbiBteSBib2R5ICEhISEgOy1QDQo+DQo+VElBLCBKb3NoIChLcmFmdHdlcmsg ODEpIg0KPg0KPg0KPg0KPldoeSBub3QgaW5zdGVhZCBoYXZlOg0KPg0KPiJTb2dhciBkaWUg Z3L2c3N0ZW4gU3RhcnMNCj5MZWJlbiBpaHIgTGViZW4gaW0gU3BpZWdlbGdsYXMiDQo+DQo+ dGF0dG9vZWQgaW4gcmV2ZXJzZWQgbGV0dGVyaW5nPw0KPg0KPjstKQ0KTm93LCBpZiB5b3Ug cmVhbGx5IGFyZSBoZWxsYmVudCBvbiBkZXN0cm95aW5nIHlvdXJzZWxmIHdpdGggYSB0YXR0 b28sIHRoaXMgaXMgYSBzdWdnZXN0aW9uIHdlbGwgd29ydGggdGFraW5nIHNlcmlvdXNseS4N Cg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8gUG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1h c3RlckBwb3JuaW5kdXN0cnkuY29tDQoNCg0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) Reality TV! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Coen Rampen" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:23:39 +0200 Hi all, > BTW, as we are discussing the Autobahn cover: > Who is the driver sitting at the steering wheel of the Mercedes > Benz coming > toward us? > On the CD cover you can't make it out, but the LP cover (even better the > 1975 tour poster) shows clearly that it's a photomontage. The > clipping of a > face is pasted behind the wheel. Quick guess (I don't have the LP): Conrad Plank? Seems most likely to me... Regards, Coen Rampen c.rampen@student.utwente.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nowhere000@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Reality TV! Date: 28 Jul 2000 08:53:05 EDT In a message dated 7/28/00 2:34:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 tjodolf@pornindustry.com writes: << HI! =20 This amusing little jest of mine never appeared on the mailing list, or so=20 one Max Totten seems to want to tell me. So here we go again! Kraftwerk on=20 Reality TV! =20 =20 In a bogus announcement today, no TV channel presented the ultimate in=20 Reality TV: Kraftwerk's 2000 contract negotiations! Yep, that's true, the=20 best-known line-up sits down with lyric writer/ designer Emil Schult to=20 discuss: 1)Wolfgang, were you in the group? What did you do? 2)Is H=FCtter/ Schneider/ Bartos/ Schult a viable songwriting partnership=20 today? Do we have anything to write about? 3)Should we go on a reunion tour? How should the money be divided? =20 4)Should we record a comeback album? Have we been away? How should the money= =20 be divided? How should the credit be divided? 5)Florian, do you play a musical instrument, and do you have any interest=20 in doing so during our concerts or recording sessions? 6)Are Karl and Wolfgang traitors? 7)Was the "Electric Caf=E9" album really what the group needed in 1986? 8)Does the sleeve of the reissued "Tour de France" single match the line-u= p=20 that recorded it? Should it? Who are those people on the sleeve anyway? 9)What did you mean by looking at me that way during that rehearsal in 197= 6? 10)You're a drummer, a guitarist/ drummer, and a flautist/ violinist/=20 guitarist; what on earth do I need you people for? =20 There is tension in the air as none of these issues are raised during five= =20 half-hour shows. See grown men sweat! See anger, fear, betrayal, bitterness!= =20 See a jet of adrenalin shoot out of Ralf's ear as he conciders saying=20 something about Wolfgang's book! (But then again, what's there to say that h= e=20 can't figure out for himself.) =20 Best line: Emil's "Does anybody want some coffee or tea?" Well, actually, that's the only line as well, but GET those facial expressions! =20 This has been a fictional announcement from TU. >> I hear krafwerk is doing a concord 2000 jingle=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 28 Jul 2000 15:22:39 +0200 Cut'n'paste matter: Well, I admit I was mistaken, in any case I argued on what Schult is doing in the car and I continue saying he's driv= ing it. >A look at the original first edition's cover shows: Andr=E9as is right. The edition I own: Autobahn Vertigo 63 60 620, 1974, Spanish first editio= n. [U.S.-style graphics, white backside.] > If you take a good look at the picture of Schult in the small mirror yo= u > can see that it is a picture of him in the backseat where Flur is. Excuse me for insisting again, IMHO the small left mirror in the dashboar= d reflects the image of Emil Schult while he's driving the car. He is apparently nearer the dashboard than the rest. To my eyes he isn't seated= in the backseat but in the frontseat, the driverseat, more accurately. Moreover, have you notice the driver who drives the black Mercedes on the opposite lane? He may be Karl Bartos. (?) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK 2000 Date: 28 Jul 2000 15:43:35 +0200 A friend in South Africa asked me about a CD called "KRAFTWERK 2000" (Remixes) he saw on a shop's PC. Costs about 12 US$. No more info. Does anybody know more about this CD? Thanks Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 2000 Date: 28 Jul 2000 18:40:23 +0100 This item is for sale here along with some other interesting KW items http://private-store.hypermart.net/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn cover Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:59:49 +0200 > Von: "Der Automat" > Datum: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:22:39 +0200 > An: "Kraftwerk Mail List" > Betreff: RE: (kw) Autobahn cover > The edition I own: Autobahn Vertigo 63 60 620, 1974, Spanish first edition. > [U.S.-style graphics, white backside.] What sort of backside? >> If you take a good look at the picture of Schult in the small mirror you >> can see that it is a picture of him in the backseat where Flur is. > > Excuse me for insisting again, IMHO the small left mirror in the dashboard > reflects the image of Emil Schult while he's driving the car. He is > apparently nearer the dashboard than the rest. To my eyes he isn't seated in > the backseat but in the frontseat, the driverseat, more accurately. I don't wanna be pigheaded, but I'm quite sure that the small round photo (!!, see below) on the dashboard left to the steering wheel shows Emil Schult in the backseat of the car. It should be the original photo which was intended to be the back cover, but later Emil's head has been replaced with Wolfgang's. If you look carefully at the dashboard photo, you can even see some strands of Klaus Roeder's hair, who is sitting beneath Emil. Even you can recognise the car windows behind and beneath Emil's head, which would be impossible if he would be seated on the driver's seat. If we assume that the back cover photo shows the real backseat arrangement (which is - from the left to the right - Ralf, Florian, Klaus Roeder, Emil with Wolfgang Fluer's head), then this small round picture on the dashboard can not be produced by a mirror. The rearview mirror shows the back cover picture (naturally) the wrong way round, while the small round dashboard picture does NOT. So it must be a photo. > > Moreover, have you notice the driver who drives the black Mercedes on the > opposite lane? Not yet. > He may be Karl Bartos. (?) Hmmm ... Other ideas? Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Max Totten Subject: (kw) Any Kraftwerk MPEG videos floating around? Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:19:17 -0700 Dear All, Hello it's me mister "new to the list" again, after scouting the archive for any URL's regarding posting of MPEG downloads, I had saw lots of references but no URL's! Can anyone help with this direction on this issue? Regards, Max # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Gunnar Wess) Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut's "Tour de France", the Video Date: 29 Jul 2000 11:22:09 +0200 To everybody, who is interested: The video of Senor Coconut's "Tour de France" has been shown yesterday evening on the "Berlin House"-show on VIVA. The replay of this show will be tonight on VIVA 23.00 MEST Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Autobahn cover Date: 29 Jul 2000 15:07:26 +0200 Der Automat insisted: > /.../ IMHO the small left mirror in the dashboard reflects the image of= Emil Schult while he's driving the car.=20 It is of course possible that Schult's intention was to create such an im= age. But it has been clearly established that his visage - which has been cut out and pasted o= nto the painting of a stylised dashboard - originated from Barbara Niem=F6ller's photo of H=FCt= ter, Schneider, R=F6der and Schult in the backseat of a Mercedes. I fail to see how Bartos could've = had his face pasted onto the cover of an album released prior to him being hired by the band. - T= ous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Autobahn cover... Date: 29 Jul 2000 15:20:21 +0200 Kaspar wondered: > 1. Hmm, what cover would that be?=20 The 1974/75 orginal German (6305 231 D)/US (VEL-2003); see http://home.t-online.de/home/0625138143/1gelpau.jpg The CD sleeve your r= efer to is the 'remastered' one from the 1985 vinyl (G: 1C 064 2400 701/US: 1-25326) and= 1987 CD (G: CDP 564 7 461532/US: 25326-2) issues. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) Any Kraftwerk MPEG videos floating around? Date: 29 Jul 2000 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) You can try the video downloads on "Tour_de_Kraft" and the MEDIA page on "Kraftwerk_Media_Center" at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/links.html I don't think these videos are in MPEG, but they are interesting. ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Owen Cannon Subject: (kw) Das Boot MP3 Date: 29 Jul 2000 09:11:16 -0700 Where is a good place to get KW mp3's that are alternatives to napster? I know this is a bad thing to do, but I just need to get my hands on 'das boot'!!! -- o w e n c a n n o n owencannon@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/owencannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Max Totten Subject: (kw) Coconut Werk Well Done! Date: 29 Jul 2000 12:01:46 -0700 Hello All, Just wanted to add my two cents worth on the new tribute CD from Senor Coconut. The way the tunes of Hutter, Schneider, Bartos, Schult and Schmidt were approach were with the same humorous undercurrent as the originals, I have have heard other "tributes" but they all were rather strident, pale and unconvincing . This CD however takes a genre and makes it it's own, with the shadowy espionage of Carmen Miranda films, in full Technicolor! The flavors run the gamut! These tunes bring to mind how Yellow Magic Orchestra converted Martin Denny's "Firecracker", splendid, simply splendid! So much so that the heavy handed tributes of the past lay DEAD in it's wake! Regards, Max # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Boettcher Subject: Re: (kw) Any Kraftwerk MPEG videos floating around? Date: 29 Jul 2000 21:19:06 +0200 Max Totten wrote: > > Dear All, Hello it's me mister "new to the list" again, after scouting > the archive for any URL's regarding posting of MPEG downloads, I had saw > lots of references but no URL's! Can anyone help with this direction on > this issue? Regards, Max > Here is a place where you can find some MPEGs: http://www.btinternet.com/~t.o.b.y/content/video/kraftwerk/ These videos are available (but sound is too silent): - Autobahn_small.mpg an interesting cartoon to KWs Autobahn, about 5:30 (only the half of the whole cartoon) Does anyone know more about this video (originator, when made)? - Dilemma_small.mpg also a cartoon to music that reminds me to Jean-Michel Jarre Does anyone know anything about it? Does it has any relation to KW (the directory is named kraftwerk)? - autobahn_medium.mpg not downloadable, contains only a html-error message - kw_totp2.mpg KW live on stage at Top Of The Pops Dirk from Hamburg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Boettcher Subject: Re: (kw) Any Kraftwerk MPEG videos floating around? Date: 29 Jul 2000 21:39:50 +0200 Oh, I forgot ... Another MPEG link is (KW live in Prague) ... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/8935/kwvideo.html Dirk from Hamburg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miguel Angelo" Subject: Re: (kw) Any Kraftwerk MPEG videos floating around? Date: 29 Jul 2000 23:51:45 -0300 Is there a great site with excellents *.MOV. Is not MPEG, but the quality MOV is very nice! You will need the program Quick Time to play the files! The site is: http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdkmov.htm Click and Download : - )) M.A. ^^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Max Totten Subject: (kw) Thanks to all! Date: 29 Jul 2000 20:03:50 -0700 For the URL's to cultivate videos! The Mike Pitt site is half successful though, I was able to download only about 5 of the 10, even when the 5 had time out, I was still able to resume and pick up where the download left off, however still missed out on seeing the Telephone Call! It looks so "Fritz Lang"! Once again thanks for the trill ride! Regards, Max # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Fw: (kw) Das Boot MP3 Date: 30 Jul 2000 09:13:55 +0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen Cannon" > To: "Kraftwerk List" > Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 6:11 PM > Subject: (kw) Das Boot MP3 > > > Where is a good place to get KW mp3's that are alternatives to napster? I > > know this is a bad thing to do, but I just need to get my hands on 'das > > boot'!!! > > -- > > o w e n c a n n o n > > owencannon@mac.com > > http://homepage.mac.com/owencannon > > hm ? why 2 hell does nearly everyone & his dog thinx that " das boot " is a > track by kw ??? *most_curious_indeed* > IT'S BY THE GERMAN TECHNO-ACT U 96 !!! > ... & btw : IT'S CRAP !!! ;-) > fyi : napster is still up & runnin' ... until now !!! ;-) > > oh jay ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother Live Date: 30 Jul 2000 11:13:48 +0000 Michael Rother and Dieter Moebius are appearing at the "Music for the 3rd Millenium" festival in London, October 14th. More details at http://3rdmillennium.members.beeb.net Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Electric Music vs. Electric Music Date: 30 Jul 2000 11:13:48 +0000 According to the July issue of the German magazine Intro, the "other" Electric Music (those who did "North London Spiritualist Church") have to change their name because it is already used by someone else... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Youngest KW fan! Date: 30 Jul 2000 13:48:17 +0200 On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:44:35 +0200, Wess wrote: >When I heard "The Robots" for the first time, I was four yo and I fell >in love with this sound immediately. Believe me, KRAFTWERK still HAVE a >big effect on children ;-) True, I think my very, very first KW listening was "Radio-activity" I was very impressed (maybe even afraid) of this strange song with these bips bips bips. Afew years later, a pirate radio station here in Paris was continously broadcasting a loop of songs, and I remember they were putting "the Robots" and near the midle of the song, mixed in with the intro of David Bowie's "Fashion" I still think the association of both songs was a great idea. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk as sleeping "drug" Date: 30 Jul 2000 18:16:07 +0200 I had sort of the same experience back in 1988 when I commuted daily with train for a year. I loved having TEE in my freestyle. The combination was very hypnotic - a train + TEE. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ...listened to Kraftwerk (Concert Classics & TEE) that I fell asleep after a few minutes... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) The significant Other Date: 31 Jul 2000 13:51:34 GMT "My wife can't stand KW, so I'm not aloud to play it when she is around." "My wife is indifferent towards KW, so I get to play it when she's home but she doesn't exactly start dancing around either." "Mine barely tolerates Kraftwerk." "Same here, my wife doesn't like Kraftwerk too much - and she's German!" I sense there might be demand for a kind of sister list to this one -- for Kraftwerk-hating females. :-) You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 2000 Date: 31 Jul 2000 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) > http://private-store.hypermart.net/ does anyone know anything about this website? they seem to have megarare releases of any artist you can name. i can see any of them being official but we all collect the bootlegs dont we!! has anyone recieved anything off them...are they on the level?? and all the people said......amen!!! _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirk Gruetzmann Subject: Fwd: Re: (kw) The significant Other Date: 01 Aug 2000 04:18:32 +0200 (MEST) My wife LIKES KW. We even went together to see KW live back in 91 in Dusseldorf!! Dirk > > "My wife can't stand KW, so I'm not aloud to play it > > when she is around." > > "My wife is indifferent towards KW, so I get to play > > it when she's home but she doesn't exactly start > > dancing around either." > > "Mine barely tolerates Kraftwerk." > > "Same here, my wife doesn't like Kraftwerk too much - > > and she's German!" > > > > I sense there might be demand for a kind of sister > > list to this one -- for Kraftwerk-hating females. > > > > :-) > > -- > Temps Perdu? ~ adventures in exotic music ~ > P.O. Box 260430 * D-40097 Duesseldorf * Germany > Phone: +49-(0)211-3982276 * Fax: +49-(0)211-3983467 > > ~ Please ask for our street address before sending parcels ~ > > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net > -- Temps Perdu? ~ adventures in exotic music ~ P.O. Box 260430 * D-40097 Duesseldorf * Germany Phone: +49-(0)211-3982276 * Fax: +49-(0)211-3983467 ~ Please ask for our street address before sending parcels ~ Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/