From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: your mail Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:21:56 +0100 I'll have you know that my old German teacher, Frau Musika, thought my German pronunciation was pretty good....so there. Shaun It sounds really dumb when English speakers try to affect a serious German accent. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Fw: ERROR - failed mail Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:04:07 +0100 Oh Jay I'm as puzzled as u Shaun hi kwf's ! HUH_??? *puzzled_look* ?-o erm ... well ... can somebody ( "shaun" ??? ;-) please explain this to me ... because THIS particular message was nearly two weeks old by now !!! *still_puzzled_look* ?-o however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:54 AM > Your email has not been sent. NO MORE ATTEMPTS WILL BE MADE. Check the address carefully and try again. > > Received: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:30:05 +0100 > From: oh_jay@freenet.de > To: shaun > SentTo: > Subject: Re: (kw) Florian Schneider in Barcelona tomorrow??? > Status: Too many hops > > -- > Igloo mailer > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Fw: ERROR - failed mail Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:04:07 +0100 Oh Jay I'm as puzzled as u Shaun hi kwf's ! HUH_??? *puzzled_look* ?-o erm ... well ... can somebody ( "shaun" ??? ;-) please explain this to me ... because THIS particular message was nearly two weeks old by now !!! *still_puzzled_look* ?-o however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:54 AM > Your email has not been sent. NO MORE ATTEMPTS WILL BE MADE. Check the address carefully and try again. > > Received: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:30:05 +0100 > From: oh_jay@freenet.de > To: shaun > SentTo: > Subject: Re: (kw) Florian Schneider in Barcelona tomorrow??? > Status: Too many hops > > -- > Igloo mailer > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: your mail Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:21:56 +0100 I'll have you know that my old German teacher, Frau Musika, thought my German pronunciation was pretty good....so there. Shaun It sounds really dumb when English speakers try to affect a serious German accent. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Old e-mail Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:11:54 +0200 Yes. I guess the server is totally confused. I got my own mail, concerning Antony Rother at VIVA ZWEI, I sent to the list two weeks ago, yesterday again ;-) Gunnar Christian Claycomb wrote: > > Anybody else still getting strings of old e-mail from this list? I am.. it's like deja vu all over again! *LOL* > > Christian > http://www.mp3.com/christianac -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Pearson" Subject: (kw) Whitney Houston meets Kraftwerk Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:20:04 +0100 Hello, I searched the mailing list archive but didn't see this item mentioned - a single called 'Being Scrubbed' by Girls on Top, released earlier this year. The b-side is Whitney Houston's 'I wanna dance...' mixed onto the top of Kraftwerk's 'Computer Love' (not Numbers, as the review below states). You can here an extract at this location (note: the a-side plays first, then the Kraftwerk b-side). http://209.207.190.80/MP3/SF69613.MP3 Be warned - it's pretty awful. NME.com January 10th 2001 SINGLE OF THE WEEK - Girls On Top : Being Scrubbed After V/Vm and their vicious assault on the sacred cows of nostalgia- pop, along comes avant-terrorist Rich X in his Girls On Top guise, to further disrupt the fabric of sonic spacetime. The concept here is so artfully executed that it's enough to rewire your synapses: 'Being Scrubbed' locks together The Human League's 'Being Boiled' with TLC's vocal from 'No Scrubs', a fit so perfect that you're suddenly shifted into an entirely alternate universe where the R&B classic is no longer an insouciant funky strut through hyper-beats but a menacingly apocalyptic goth-pop mantra. This is nothing, however, compared to the B-side, the real reason that this is Single Of The Week. 'I Wanna Dance With Numbers' overlays Whitney Houston's diva croon from 'I Wanna Dance With Somebody' onto Kraftwerk's 'Numbers', and the result, far from being the genre-clash mismatch you might expect, is astonishingly moving. Whitney's vocal floats over the proto-electro beats and looped synth pulses, creating a kind of euphoric techno-soul hybrid. That such a simple idea could produce something so profoundly affecting, and from something so gut-wrenchingly banal as an '80s Whitney Houston performance, suggests that Rich X is some kind of decks Duchamp. It's a juxtaposition of the mundane and the sublime, creating a third aesthetic that transcends both original sources and allows you to see the world in a new way. Quite a feat for an unassuming act of turntable trickery. The icing on the culture-jamming cake is the 45's sleeve, which parodies the cover to Kraftwerk's 'The Man Machine', only with the unsmiling faces of Germany's finest faux-robots replaced with Whitney's cheesy-grin visage. Messing with heads that's Girls On Top all over. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Metropolis Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:20:40 +0200 A restored copy of Fritz Lang's Metropolis (1926) to be showed, accompanied by a chamber orchestra at the bottom of the screen, at the 3rd German Cinema Festival which is taking place from May 29th to June 2nd in Madrid (Spain). Metropolis, which has remained for the collective imagination as the first premonitory image of the city of the future, arose from the impression of the German director in the presence of the vertical architecture of New York and from a story on the class struggle and from the confrontation of the good and the evil imagined by the scriptwriter Thea Von Harbou, an active sympathizer of the incipient nazism, the Lang's wife at that time. Fritz Lang, one of the most charismatic film-makers of the cinema history, fits in that first stage of his filmography in the German expresionism, a movement that in the cinema, simplifying until the extreme, identified with certain philosophic fatalism, an almost architectural sense of the staging and an excessively dramatic utilization of the illumination. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Whitney Houston meets Kraftwerk Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:55:09 +0200 Steve Pearson wrote: > The b-side is Whitney Houston's 'I wanna dance...' mixed > onto the top of Kraftwerk's 'Computer Love' (not Numbers, as the > review below states). Neither nor. It's "Computer World 2" > Be warned - it's pretty awful. Well, IMHO it's not that bad. Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: (kw) Rotation MSS Date: 01 Jun 2001 22:59:54 +0200 ´Xcuse me please, if I ask again, I know this topic has been asked several times before. Does anybody know some links to free "Text to Speech" or synthetic voice tools in the www (beside the "Analog X- Say it")? I only know that there is a free tts tool for the mac which has voices like "Ralph", "Victoria" or "Princess" which is very cool and often used by electronic music artists. Does something equal exist for a PC? Thanks for Your help. Stay tuned NUC2001 P.S. For the mates that live in Northern Germay: On June, the 21. I will play a large electroset (including loads of kw songs) at the MS Stubnitz in the harbour of Hamburg. The party will start at 19.00, there a 9 DJs on three areas playing electronic sounds. Feel invited. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) So...Who's gonna e-mail Wolfgang? Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:58:42 EDT --part1_6a.ec46c78.28495c02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well waht do we want to know? Personally i would,like to know what he is currently working on and if he would ever consider working (Studio or live) with Kraftwerk again. --part1_6a.ec46c78.28495c02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well waht do we want to know? Personally i would,like to know what he is
currently working on and if he would ever consider working (Studio or live)
with Kraftwerk again. --part1_6a.ec46c78.28495c02_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Metropolis Date: 01 Jun 2001 23:36:40 +0200 Der Automat wrote: > > A restored copy of Fritz Lang's Metropolis (1926) to be showed, accompanied > by a chamber orchestra at the bottom of the screen, at the 3rd German Cinema > Festival which is taking place from May 29th to June 2nd in Madrid (Spain). Chamber orchestra? Interesting! The original (piano only) music score of Metropolis was found some 15 years ago, after being considered lost altogether. A restored version with that piano music was shown on German tv, still not full length, but getting there. Unfortunately that version still is not available on DVD, the only versions available today are still the severely damaged USA versions with fantasy music scores (Moroder). The original Metropolis was considered far too long for USA audiences, and ruthlessly cut. Also certain scenes were misunderstood, like a statue with the name "Hel" on it. The censors thought it to refer to [the] Hell and cut the scene. All this cutting makes the currently available film rather difficult to follow, though the imagery is really wonderful, I think. Any news on a final restored version of Metropolis? How long (feet, playing time) is the version they'll show in Spain? Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) So...Who's gonna e-mail Wolfgang? Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:43:52 -0400 > Well waht do we want to know? Personally i would,like to know what he is > currently working on and if he would ever consider working (Studio or live) > with Kraftwerk again. I think it's safe to say that the answers are "his next album" and "no, but the opportunity will never come up anyway.". Personally, I kinda wonder along with Wolfgang why his book's not on amazon.com anymore. Those are the folks I bought the book from! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) the KorreKt pronunciation of the word KRAFTWERK in english is ... POWER_STATION_!!! *XLG* ;-))) Date: 01 Jun 2001 23:24:40 +0100 I pronounce Oh Jay "wanker" - but that's just me -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Oh Jay Sent: 31 May 2001 22:16 is ... POWER_STATION_!!! *XLG* ;-))) hi kwf's ! hey , isn't it a funny thing that we discuss the KorreKt pronunciation of the word KRAFTWERK by now ??? *G+* ;-) btw : i still have the bet runnin' with edwin ( are u on this list too , mate ??? ;-) about their "new stuff" ... comin' out in sept. this year !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) now playin' : "tanzmusik" from their 1973 album "ralf & florian" ( the nucleus ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! reissues Date: 01 Jun 2001 20:20:38 -0400 >>> The three NEU! CD reissues are now out on Groenland/EMI Electrola: 1) NEU! (EMI E2-30780) 2) NEU! 2 (EMI E2-30781) 3) NEU! '75 (EMI E2-30782) The artwork is more or less identical to the original vinyl artwork. <<< On Astralwerks/Caroline/Virgin/EMI in the US. ASW 30780, ASW 30781, ASW 30782 respectively. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) the KorreKt pronunciation of the word KRAFTWERK in english is ... POWER_STATION_!!! *XLG* ;-))) Date: 02 Jun 2001 11:40:06 +0200 ConnectFree wrote : > I pronounce Oh Jay "wanker" - but that's just me well ... i bet u're not alone , "jerk" !!! *slyest_grin* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Metropolis Date: 02 Jun 2001 13:46:00 +0200 Rick Jansen schrieb am 01.06.2001 23:36 Uhr MEZ: > Chamber orchestra? Interesting! The original (piano only) music score of > Metropolis was found some 15 years ago, after being considered lost > altogether.=20 Metropolis premi=E8red on Jan. 10, 1927 at Ufa-Palast am Zoo, Berlin, with a full orchestral score by Gottfried Huppertz. The duration was 2 hours 20 minutes. There was also a score version for two pianos for small cinemas. > A restored version with that piano music was shown on German tv, still no= t > full=20 > length, but getting there. There is more than one reconstructed version; I for my part have three different versions on video, two of it are from TV. > Any news on a final restored version of Metropolis? A really complete version in the sense of a reconstructed premi=E8re version will never be available, the film has been destroyed too systematically. Some scenes we know about are definetely lost forever. A "best possible restored" version with a new score premi=E8red at this year'= s Berlinale. ARTE TV will show this version in 2002!!! And there's a wonderful wonderful wonderful book, really a must-have for al= l who are interested in the story of Metropolis: Enno Patalas: Metropolis in/aus Tr=FCmmern - Eine Filmgeschichte Bertz Verlag, Berlin 2001, ISBN 3-929470-19-5 It contains the premi=E8re version's complete screenplay, photos, original intertitles, parts of the score, all variations and fragments and the complete filmography. Jan ^^^v^^^ http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de -> Autoren -> Drehbuch # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Whitney Houston meets Kraftwerk Date: 02 Jun 2001 18:51:10 +0200 hi kwf's ! yep , gunnar's right !!! ;-) it's most definitely "computerwelt 2" ... & albeit i really dislike whitney houston's "werk" of crap , i pretty much like this freaky 'n' weird "stuff" ... mixed together as if there's no musical history at all !!! *LOL* ;-))) enjoy it !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Wickson" Subject: Re: (kw) Metropolis Date: 02 Jun 2001 11:51:10 -0700 There's also been quite a lot of discussion on Metropolis at these two Yahoo clubs: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/germanexpressionistfilm http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/langs1926classicmetropolis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) the KorreKt pronunciation of the word KRAFTWERK in english is Date: 02 Jun 2001 22:07:52 +0200 ConnectFree schrieb: > I pronounce Oh Jay "wanker" - but that's just me Guys! Have I told U how much I like this very "kraftwerkish" and of course really constructive (not to say interesting) kind of discussion? Anyway, another thing: Has anybody seen "Ladytron" live on stage? They're playing here in vienna on 5th of june, so I want to know if it's worth to see... Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Metropolis Date: 02 Jun 2001 22:08:20 +0200 Jan Reetze schrieb: > (...) > A "best possible restored" version with a new score premi=E8red at this= year's > Berlinale. > ARTE TV will show this version in 2002!!! I saw this restored version some weeks ago in vienna (there was a tribute to Fritz Lang). It's really worth to see. Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Robots 91 video Date: 02 Jun 2001 11:24:43 +0200 Mike Pitt wrote: > http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm Excuse me. Are Expo 2000 "Top of the Pops" video and Expo 2000 (promo clip) the same as Expo 2000 (Radio Mix) video included on Expo 2000 CDs? TIA DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Kw E2K @ AMG Date: 02 Jun 2001 13:35:40 +0200 Kraftwerk Expo 2000 at All Music Guide http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A1o8e4j874wa4 http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Asyfm967ohepc DER AUTOMAT __o _ \ <_ (_) / (_) np: Tour de France # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) NEU! Date: 03 Jun 2001 14:33:29 +0200 YES, the artwork of the NEU!-reissues is a reproduction from the original LP covers. But there are two little flaws with the remastering: I runned both versions parallel, the CDs and my old vinyls from 1972, 73 and 75 - and while the remastered CDs of "2" and "75" are clearly better than the LPs, I have to admit that in case of the first album my old LP sounds more brilliant than the remaster. There's a slight haze on the drums. What's this?! And the second thing: The first edition of the first NEU! album was endless - the water bubbling on "Lieber Honig" was pressed into the locked groove, so if you had a record player without automatic switchoff, the track never ended never ended never ended never ended .... This gimmick is away on the CD; here's a simple fadeout - what a pity! The "Sgt. Pepper"-LP had the same gimmick, and the CD remaster shows that it would have been possible to recover it. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 04 Jun 2001 01:50:47 +0200 BTW, as I mentioned the first NEU!-LP which ended with this water bubbling in the locked groove: There are some more vinyls making use of this gimmick. "Biotop", the second LP by Asmus Tietchens from 1981, has the same gimmick at the end of side two. And his 3-LP-set "Ptomaine" from 1996 contains 48 tracks ending in locked grooves. And there's "Sgt. Pepper" as well as "Escalator Over The Hill" by Carla Bley & Paul Haynes from 1971. Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings with the use of this gimmick? There must be some more! Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 03 Jun 2001 20:42:42 -0400 >>> Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings with the use of this gimmick? There must be some more! <<< Yeah. The original vinyl pressing of Beastie Boys's "Licensed to Ill," Def Jam/Columbia/CBS FC 40238. "Fight for Your Right to Party" doesn't completely fade out--it goes to the locked groove and then it drones on and on at a low volume. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: Re: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 04 Jun 2001 09:10:27 +0100 > >>> Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings with >the use of >this gimmick? There must be some more! <<< > I think (haven't checked as it's a looong time since I played them) that Telex's Neurovision LP side one has an endless track? And (again i think) 1 of Landscapes LP's had this little gimmick too? Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 04 Jun 2001 11:34:56 +0200 > >>> Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings with > the use of > this gimmick? There must be some more! <<< > > Yeah. The original vinyl pressing of Beastie Boys's "Licensed to Ill," > Def Jam/Columbia/CBS FC 40238. "Fight for Your Right to Party" doesn't > completely fade out--it goes to the locked groove and then it drones on > and on at a low volume. Peace. Strange that noone's mentioned Pink Floyd yet. On the 1970 album "Atom Heart Mother" the last track "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" ends with a locked groove. Or is it just on my special audiophile pressing? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 04 Jun 2001 12:45:08 +0100 Jan Reetze wrote: > Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings with the use of > this gimmick? There must be some more! There are many, many... One of my favourites is the end of Heaven 17's album 'Penthouse and Pavement': "We're going to live for a very long time/very long time/very long time/very long time..." RRR brought out a 7" compilation of locked grooves some years ago, and a 12" compilation of 13 bands (most of them contributing 4 locked groove compositions, some more than this) is due out from Clan Analogue soon (no details at their site, but I'm a contributor, so full details will appear at http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/carya-amara/recordings.html). Steve Pearson wrote: > I searched the mailing list archive but didn't see this item mentioned - > a single called 'Being Scrubbed' by Girls on Top, released earlier > this year. The b-side is Whitney Houston's 'I wanna dance...' mixed > onto the top of Kraftwerk If anyone needs to hear the full version of the former, I can dig out the URL, I think. But it's all pretty horrible, IMO. The Whitney/Kraftwerk extract mentioned above was new to me. What a bad idea, and so poorly executed! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Locked Grooves (OT) Date: 04 Jun 2001 17:40:11 +0200 hi kwf's ! Jan Reetze schrieb : > BTW, as I mentioned the first NEU!-LP which ended with this water bubbling > in the locked groove: There are some more vinyls making use of this gimmick. like "natural thing ( elevation )" by innocence on their 1990 released 12" on chrysalis rec. ( circa / cooltempo ) for instance , which ended in an endless rain shower !!! *G+* ;-) btw : the track does not only contain lots of samples by pink floyd , it is also credited as co-written by gilmour / waters / wright !!! *sly_grin* ;-) e voila , another pink floyd reference !!! *BWG* ;-))) > Anybody out there who knows other and/or earlier recordings > with the use of this gimmick? There must be some more! well ... there are thousands of vinyl releases in the so called "electronic dancemusic" genre , which contains locked grooves or endless loops , not only as "a gimmick" , but also as "a tool" for skilled deejays to play with !!! ;-) btw : i've once done a complete two hours radio show ONLY by playin' locked grooves or endless loops plus some jingles & trailers thrown in !!! *XLG* ;-))) it was great fun for me as a deejay & also for the listeners ... because i haven't announced it before i made this "lil' experiment" !!! *hehehe* ;-))) this concept also "werks" pretty well for a party @ a club , where u can spin those locked grooves or endless loops for all eternity ... if u are indeed skilled enough as a deejay with three or even four turntables !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) i've did it once ... & i'll surely do it again ... & again ... & again ... *LOL* ;-))) fyi : here's only one interestin' link concernin' locked grooves or endless loops galore : go to http://www.wizoo.com ( wizoo - the sound generation - manufacturers of the "cologne cyclez" , "hamburg loopz" , "lo-fi junkiez" etc. compilation series ;-) & then click on mp3 demos @ their "test center" !!! ;-) however ... greetinx ... tinx ... tinx ... tinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Music Non Stop Date: 04 Jun 2001 19:42:44 +0100 Either I've missed something or the web site has been updated with a version of music non stop Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! reissues Date: 05 Jun 2001 19:59:46 +0000 >> The three NEU! CD reissues are now out on Groenland/EMI >> Electrola: >> 1) NEU! (EMI 7243 5 30780 2 7) >> 2) NEU! 2 (EMI 7243 5 30781 2 6) >> 3) NEU! '75 (EMI 7243 5 30782 2 5) >> > On Astralwerks/Caroline/Virgin/EMI in the US. ASW 30780, ASW 30781, > ASW 30782 respectively. Peace. And these are the numbers for the German vinyl reissues: 1) NEU! (EMI 7243 5 30780 1 0) 2) NEU! 2 (EMI 7243 5 30781 1 9) 3) NEU! '75 (EMI 7243 5 30782 1 8) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Stagg" Subject: (kw) Neu!/KW in Record Collector Date: 05 Jun 2001 19:52:33 +0100 The June 2001 issue of the UK magazine "Record Collector" has an article on Neu!, including brief new interviews with Rother and Dinger. Kraftwerk are mentioned in the band history, though with no particularly new info. There is, however, a photo of a postcard supposedly sent by Ralf & Florian to Dinger, including a drawing/montage thing of themselves with Dinger. Staggboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Stagg" Subject: (kw) Expo Astralwerks release? Date: 05 Jun 2001 19:52:03 +0100 Anyone know what happened to the US Astralwerks release of the Expo Mixes? Staggboy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Expo Astralwerks release? Date: 05 Jun 2001 15:53:40 -0400 >>> Anyone know what happened to the US Astralwerks release of the Expo Mixes? <<< Not a clue, actually, but when I spoke to them, they said, indeed, that they had the US rights.... The US edition is listed at Towerrecords.com, if I recall. Lawd ha'mercy. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk cartoons Date: 06 Jun 2001 09:01:55 -0000 http://www.flipflopflyin.com/minipops/minipopsd.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) Re: Locked Grooves Date: 06 Jun 2001 14:41:28 -0000 Two more locked grooves. On the original "Metal Box" by Public Image Ltd, Death disco had a locked groove. Much earlier in 1965 Pearls Before Swine used this at the end of side 1 of their "Blaclava" album. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) Neu!/KW in Record Collector Date: 06 Jun 2001 14:44:02 You can see that postcard on Dingers homepage: http://www.dingerland.de/Pictures/postralfflorian.html /Andreas Staggboy wrote: There is, however, a photo of a postcard supposedly sent by Ralf & Florian to Dinger, including a drawing/montage thing of themselves with Dinger. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) What is this? Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:44:48 -0000 I got this from CDZone. Has anyone else seen this??? £11.88 Kraftwerk Somewhere In Europe SIE1 It's released on VINYL!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) What is this? Date: 06 Jun 2001 11:38:29 -0700 Matthew Large wrote: >Has anyone else seen this??? >=A311.88 Kraftwerk Somewhere In Europe SIE1 This is what I've found on that vinyl at: http://www.musicmailexpress.com/UK.html "Promo lp featuring two live radio shows, Paris 1976 & Utrecht 1981" It goes for u$s 30 Enrique np: Filia Brazillia "brazilification" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) TEE long version Date: 07 Jun 2001 14:10:52 There is a 12" promo for sale on ebay.com with a 13.38 min long version of TEE. Has anyone heard this version? It doesnt excist in "Kraftwerk international discography" /Andréas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Neu!/KW in Record Collector Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:25:14 +0200 Andréas Hagström wrote: > > You can see that postcard on Dingers homepage: > http://www.dingerland.de/Pictures/postralfflorian.html > > /Andreas > > Staggboy wrote: > There is, however, a photo of a postcard supposedly sent by Ralf & Florian > to Dinger, including a drawing/montage thing of themselves with Dinger. And poor Klaus had to pay postage due ("Nachgebühr") ;-D Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Neu!/KW in Record Collector Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:29:05 +0200 I saw the current issue of the German magazine "Stern" has also an article on the Neu!-reissues. Gunnar Mark J Stagg wrote: > > The June 2001 issue of the UK magazine "Record Collector" has an article on > Neu!, including brief new interviews with Rother and Dinger. > > Kraftwerk are mentioned in the band history, though with no particularly new > info. There is, however, a photo of a postcard supposedly sent by Ralf & > Florian to Dinger, including a drawing/montage thing of themselves with > Dinger. > > Staggboy -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering MP3s... Date: 07 Jun 2001 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know where I can find any full MP3s or WAVs from Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering? I only have: Intro/Numbers/Computer World Pocket Calculator/Dentaku Sellafield 2/Radioactivity The Robots/Robotronik T.E.E./Metal On Metal/Abzug If anyone knows where I could find any other ones, it would greatly be appreciated. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Neu! in 'The Wire' Date: 07 Jun 2001 16:39:18 +0100 Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother of Neu! are interviewed at some length in the current (June) issue of 'The Wire' (for distribution details see http://www.thewire.co.uk). Dinger and Rother's time with Kraftwerk is briefly covered: it seems that as part of a trio with Florian Schneider (during the time when Ralf Huetter had temporarily left the group), "'there was a lot of arguing and psychological warfare going on', remembers Rother. [...] We were extremely different personalities, Klaus and I and Florian, apart from having maybe different opinions of the direction the music should take'". There's not much else in the article _specifically_ about Kraftwerk, but of course the history of the two groups are intertwined... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering MP3s... Date: 07 Jun 2001 14:16:18 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Omega Chance wrote: > Anyone know where I can find any full MP3s or WAVs from Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering? Well, buying the album would be the easiest way to get the best quality, I would think. :) There was a well-made Tribal Gathering CD released last year. A bootlegof course, but I found it at Virgin. It also has some KW remixes by others as filler. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Computer World Live Lyrics Date: 08 Jun 2001 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) What are the other two things Ralf says after "CIA, and KGB" in Computer World at TG97? == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World Live Lyrics Date: 08 Jun 2001 19:23:31 +0200 Omega Chance asked : > What are the other two things Ralf says after "CIA, and KGB" in Computer World at TG97? well ... i suppose it was "FBI & scotland yard" , wasn't it !? ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World Live Lyrics Date: 08 Jun 2001 19:38:33 +0200 Oh Jay wrote: > > Omega Chance asked : > > > What are the other two things Ralf says after "CIA, and KGB" in Computer > World at TG97? > > well ... i suppose it was "FBI & scotland yard" , wasn't it !? ;-) No, that was before it ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) techno pop Date: 08 Jun 2001 22:47:37 +0200 On Mon, 28 May 2001 23:21:45 +0200, Rick Jansen wrote: >So, all in all, my advise would be: scrap the Synclavier, away with the >computer and Cubase, back to voltage control and good old handiwork >knob twiddling. Let us hear that Orchestron SING! Know what, it might work >too. > I totally agree with you, but hearing Expo 2000, I'm afraid they don't take this kind of direction at all.... Too bad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! reissues Date: 08 Jun 2001 23:03:33 +0200 Did they also rerelease the albums on vinyl, I think I saw it at cdzone.co.uk, but maybe this is an old edition of a bootleg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) The Mix 2... Date: 08 Jun 2001 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) If you could choose what songs Kraftwerk would re-do and make another 'The Mix' album, what would they be? Here are my choices: 1. Europe Endless 2. Computer World 3. The Model 4. Tour de France 5. Numbers 6. Antenna 7. Neon Lights 8. Ohm Sweet Ohm 9. The Hall of Mirrors 10. The Man Machine 11. Showroom Dummies 12. The Telephone Call == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix 2... Date: 09 Jun 2001 07:14:17 +0200 Omega Chance wrote : > If you could choose what songs Kraftwerk would re-do > and make another 'The Mix' album, what would they be? > > Here are my choices: > > 1. Europe Endless > 2. Computer World > 3. The Model > 4. Tour de France > 5. Numbers > 6. Antenna > 7. Neon Lights > 8. Ohm Sweet Ohm > 9. The Hall of Mirrors > 10. The Man Machine > 11. Showroom Dummies > 12. The Telephone Call well ... i nearly agree to all the above mentioned songs , but i would prefer a remake of "computerworld" with a bit of "numbers" mixed into it & i definitely would chose "spacelab" instead of "hall of mirrors" !!! *G+* ;-) on the other hand i still prefer the "original versions" of "ohm sweet ohm" & also "computerlove" , so a remake of "ohm sweet ohm" would be as much disappointin' to me as the remake of "computerlove" once was ... & sadly still is !!! :-/ so instead of "ohm sweet ohm" i'd like to hear a new version or mix of "electric cafe" !!! ;-) however ... nice choice , mr. "omega man" !!! *BWG* ;-))) greetinx 'n' all that "stuff" , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix 2... Date: 09 Jun 2001 00:28:18 -0500 These are my picks of what COULD be a possible Mix 2: 1. Computer World (why wasn't it on the first album?) 2. Numbers (a must for Computer World obviously) 3. Antenna (just a great song in my opinion... really unique... great meaningful and artistic lyrics) 5. The Telephone Call (Computer Love 2???) 4. Airwaves (would they do that shitty slow version though???) 6. Tour De France (would be great to here a new and improved version of this many times remixed song... now isn't that the reason Kraftwerk did the Mix album??? -why wasn't it done before... guess not that high on the top KW songlist) 7. Showroom Dummies (hmmm... I don't know how KW feels about this song now-a-days... do they still perform it live? Guess that would answer my questions) 8. Electric Cafe (certainly a modern song... would be great for a club song) 9. Man-Machine (would have been a good song if The Robots wasn't so kick ass... off subject: I think I heard a rap artist using the opening melody in their song... is this true? Has anyone else heard this or do you know which song might have sounded similar?) 10. Hall of Mirrors (if they could kick it up like they did with Computer Love and Radioactivity... they could really do some stunning stuff with this song) 11. The Model (I don't think it should be one a Mix album for certain reasons... probably just reason enough because Kraftwerk probably didn't think it could be done on the first one) and of course: 12. News (o yeah! Just kidding) Andrew Dieffenbach # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea... Date: 09 Jun 2001 01:04:00 -0500 Now, I have often pondered the philosophical concepts behind "The Robots." However, upon recently seeing the "Showroom Dummies" video, I couldn't help but think about the similarities between it and the "Robots" video. The fact that "Dummies" came before "Robots" makes it more interesting. With the "Robots," Kraftwerk probably was currently interested in Fritz Lang's Metropolis, the idea of Communism and its work ethics, and the future, in general. The question: Are we the Robots? With the "Dummies:" As I and others have mentioned before on the list, Kraftwerk was at a presumed peak of glory and stardom during "Trans-Europe Express." They were, in my opinion, more focused on the life of stars and luxury. Clearly obvious at times, Kraftwerk departs from their industrial and futuristic subjects and sounds in all the songs except the "Trans-Europe Express/Metal On Metal" medley (note even some of the lyrics in "Trans" depict this departure.. "Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie"... now see that line on any other Kraftwerk album!). This idea also makes me think "The Model" and even somewhat "Neon Lights" should have been on their previous album... not too uncommon of an idea, as many other members on this list have expressed. The question: Are we showroom dummies? Probably, not so... the dummies are probably the artists, "living the mirror," like Kraftwerk. Then when the art is done, they enjoy the life! I don't know! I could probably run up and down with the idea that we are robots... However, I can't really say much about my dummies idea. I don't really know too much of what Kraftwerk were doing or thinking at the time. It would be wrong of me to speculate further and create any verbal crap. However, there are many of you on this list who know much more about Kraftwerk than I. So, I leave it to you: Are we dummies? Are Kraftwerk dummies in some sense? What was the message Kraftwerk was trying to get across with this song? Surely, some of you see some validity here. Andrew Dieffenbach # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea... Date: 09 Jun 2001 08:59:44 +0200 Andrew Dieffenbach asked : > Are we the Robots? & > Are we dummies? well ... i suppose that we all have had our "dummies" & also our "robots" phase in life , but most of us have ( hopefully ;-) evolved from that part on to what we are now ... fans of a band that is sometimes even "stranger than fiction" !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! reissues Date: 09 Jun 2001 09:43:32 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote: > > Did they also rerelease the albums on vinyl, I think I saw it at cdzone.co.uk, but maybe this is an old edition of a bootleg. Klaus Zaepke wrote: And these are the numbers for the German vinyl reissues: 1) NEU! (EMI 7243 5 30780 1 0) 2) NEU! 2 (EMI 7243 5 30781 1 9) 3) NEU! '75 (EMI 7243 5 30782 1 8) -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix 2... Date: 09 Jun 2001 09:47:47 +0200 Omega Chance wrote: > > If you could choose what songs Kraftwerk would re-do and make another 'The Mix' album, what would they be? Well, I know where Ralf and Florian another "The Mix" could insert themselves ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: The Mix 2 Date: 09 Jun 2001 10:21:53 +0100 Numbers Computer World The Man Machine Tour De France The Telephone Call It's More Fun to Compute Neon Lights Spacelab Showroom Dummies Antenna Comet Melody Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea... Date: 09 Jun 2001 12:04:29 +0200 Maybe you're trying to find too much behind it all. They were just going out dancing. Modern dancing, disco, is dancing like a wooden puppet, very mechanical, not to mention all the people standing at the side just standing there, waiting to get lai..., eh, noticed. The link to showroom dummies is quickly made, people tend to wear their most new and modern clothes in a disco too. That Showroom Dummies video I think is more or taking the piss at it all. Despite their mechanical looks Kraftwerkers are men of flesh and blood, and probably very silly privately, playing calculators on top of their heads, declaring they're the operator of their pocket calculator. Can't take THAT serious, can you? The Robots is taking the idea a bit further, and more seriously artistic, referring to the expressionist/futurist period and Fritz Lang. Content wise the song is the same as Showroom Dummies, they're even dancing mechanik. I don't think there is more behind The Man Machine than artistic ideas, no communism, no politics, no work ethics. It's music. Musically I think Showroom Dummies stems from Kristallo, actually. On a live version of Kristallo ('75?) the theme melody sounds exactly as the theme of Showroom Dummies. Neon Lights I think fits very well on The Man Machine, it's the big city, New York, Tokio, Metropolis. There are wonderful neon lighting lamps (not signs!) in the film Metropolis too! Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix 2 Date: 09 Jun 2001 20:10:56 +0200 ...eh, ten years for just another "Mix"? No, thanks. The only KW-related thing which would satisfy me would be the long-awaited new album (I personally don't belive it will be ever released). Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Neon Lights of =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=FCsseldorf=27s?= Night Date: 09 Jun 2001 20:31:59 +0200 Omega Chance schrieb: > I thought the song, "Neon Lights" was influenced by D=FCsseldorf's nigh= t life and the tons of lights coming from the strip joints and such... "Neon Lights" IMO could have played/been inspired from every big city, not only duesseldorf (but I can't see a connection to Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" in this song). Well, I remember vienna in the late 70ies, the big places full of neon sings. All gone now... Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea... Date: 09 Jun 2001 20:33:18 +0200 Andrew Dieffenbach schrieb: > Now, I have often pondered the philosophical concepts behind "The Robots." However, upon recently seeing the > "Showroom Dummies" video, I couldn't help but think about the similarities between it and the "Robots" video. > The fact that "Dummies" came before "Robots" makes it more interesting. > > With the "Robots," Kraftwerk probably was currently interested in Fritz Lang's Metropolis, the idea of > Communism and its work ethics, and the future, in general. The question: Are we the Robots? Of course not, but sometimes we (maybe) act like robots (or, better to say, the expression we have of robots - because "real" robots still don't exist). > (...) However, there are many of you on this list who > know much more about Kraftwerk than I. So, I leave it to you: Are we dummies? Are Kraftwerk dummies in some > sense? What was the message Kraftwerk was trying to get across with this song? Selling albums, earning cash? Just an idea ;-). Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Garcia" Subject: (kw) Re: TEE long version Date: 09 Jun 2001 21:09:39 +0200 > From: "Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m" > Subject: (kw) TEE long version > > There is a 12" promo for sale on ebay.com with a 13.38 min long version = of > TEE. Has anyone heard this version? > It doesnt excist in "Kraftwerk international discography" It does exist there! (USA 12" SPRO-8638). I think it's just the standard TEE + Metal on metal. Jose Garcia elektrik@navegalia.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: TEE long version Date: 09 Jun 2001 21:08:13 +0100 This is probably true my CD player reports that TEE is 6 mins 52 seconds = and that Metal on Metal is 6 mins 43 seconds - so with 6:52 + 6:43 =3D 13:35 that's v.close to the stated run-time of 13:38 for 'TEE Long Version' -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of J.Garcia Sent: 09 June 2001 20:10 > From: "Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m" > Subject: (kw) TEE long version > > There is a 12" promo for sale on ebay.com with a 13.38 min long version= of > TEE. Has anyone heard this version? > It doesnt excist in "Kraftwerk international discography" It does exist there! (USA 12" SPRO-8638). I think it's just the standard TEE + Metal on metal. Jose Garcia elektrik@navegalia.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea 1... Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:42:31 -0500 Rick Jansen wrote: > Maybe you're trying to find too much behind it all. They were just going > out dancing. Modern dancing, disco, is dancing like a wooden puppet, very > mechanical, not to mention all the people standing at the side just standing > there, waiting to get lai..., eh, noticed. The link to showroom dummies is > quickly made, people tend to wear their most new and modern clothes in a disco > too. I'm not sure if you are aware, but if a musician, poet; artist of any form creates a metaphor, it usually means something. If Kraftwerk came out with a song declaring that they were trees, it wasn't just because they dug trees. Sure they could, but there would be reasons why they think they are like trees. To say that an artist's works have no meaning is to say that the artist is expressing nothing; that they are meaningless. Certainly, Kraftwerk didn't spend twenty plus years writing innovating yet meaningless songs simply for the sake of "modern" people with their "modern clothes" dancing to modern disco. > That Showroom Dummies video I think is more or taking the piss at it all. > Despite their mechanical looks Kraftwerkers are men of flesh and blood, > and probably very silly privately, playing calculators on top of their heads, > declaring they're the operator of their pocket calculator. Can't take THAT > serious, can you? Despite its satirical nature, "Pocket Calculator" has a meaning or point. The "pocket calculator" is a pseudonym for computer (not even that so much... it's Kraftwerk stretching translation so the lyrics would rhyme. I'm sure the Germans on the list realize this notion. "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der hand"... correct me out there if I'm wrong: "I am a musician with a small computer in my hand"). Quite a different tone, Dick. Had Kraftwerk been still playing around with flutes and violins and other hippy shit from Organisation, such a song would never have been born. Did Kraftwerk get the idea of "Computer World" out of a comic book? No... it's freaking real! A test for you: Stop using your computer... EVERYONE stop using their computers; see how well you "operate." (Y2K anyone?) > The Robots is taking the idea a bit further, and more seriously artistic, > referring to the expressionist/futurist period and Fritz Lang. Content wise > the song is the same as Showroom Dummies, they're even dancing mechanik. > I don't think there is more behind The Man Machine than artistic ideas, > no communism, no politics, no work ethics. It's music. You have a talent for abstracting things. What "more seriously artistic" ideas do you derive from "The Robots?" Was it only about them dancing mechanically? I don't know if anyone on the list is aware, but Lang's "Metropolis" was one of Adolf Hitler's favorite movies (that and "King Kong"). Watch the movie, research Hitler's views and the Holocaust; see the parallels. Obviously, it is a favorite of Kraftwerk and that of mine. What do these people have in common? Probably nothing. Nevertheless, the movie is not just science fiction... it wasn't just a movie about a robot and neither was the song. The ideas and motives are true... Red uniforms (all looking the same)... "I am your slave... I am your worker" in Slavic... Russia and most Ex-Soviet countries have Slavic languages! Is this not a portrayal of Communism? Am I making this up??? I recall hearing that Kraftwerk intended for their robot counterparts to perform their music for them. That, in my opinion, is somewhat the idea behind "The Robots:" It is a "Computer World;" hundreds of people "Computer Love" everyday... some with other people; some people just love their computer. And with their computers (calculators), Kraftwerk and others make music... or do the computers make music for them. That is the relationship. With the help of neural nets and other AI concepts, computers will write music for us in the future just as easily to some extent that they can and do now. From calculators to mainframes... we depend on computers for nearly everything... from food to our defense systems... we have soldiered ourselves to them. As we continue to evolve with computers, the more we become like robots. And in a sense, we are already are so. "Pseudo human beings." Are they like us? Are we like them? Yes... Man-Machine. Bottom line: If you all you get from Kraftwerk is modern music that you can dance to, then that's fine. That is the beauty of art; it's everyone's' and you can take it any way you want. But I think if you claim Kraftwerk or any artist as having little or no meaning or purpose, you deprive them of their art. Andrew Dieffenbach # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Showroom Dummies idea 2... Date: 09 Jun 2001 19:19:02 -0500 Georg Jajus wrote: > Andrew Dieffenbach schrieb: > > > With the "Robots," Kraftwerk probably was currently interested in Fritz Lang's Metropolis, the idea of > > Communism and its work ethics, and the future, in general. The question: Are we the Robots? > > Of course not, but sometimes we (maybe) act like robots (or, better to > say, the expression we have of robots - > because "real" robots still don't exist). You contradict yourself... you protect this fault by referring to "real" robots, as I would call the accepted definition. I am not going to argue about how there are no "true" robots, just parabots. Nonsense to me. Differentiate the accepted definition of "robot" and that of "parabot"... what do you have. A concept that one could claim that robots do exist. "We are the Robots." But don't jump to conclusions that I am claiming we are "robots" of the stereotypically biased accepted definition, complete with wires and batteries. This limiting notion is one of the reasons I think prevents us from creating robots like ourselves... those are the key words... my lawnmower is not a robot... why? Most anyone would answer: because it isn't automatic and does not think like a human being... that is the accepted definition. And I say to that: "Ergo Cogito Sum"... I am human because I am automatic and I think like a human. That, however, is circular logic. I would fix it by saying I am human because I am automatic and I think like a "real" robot. Think about it. If you argue about definitions of "real" robots, then the statement "we are the Robots" is valid. Can't avoid that. > > (...) However, there are many of you on this list who > > know much more about Kraftwerk than I. So, I leave it to you: Are we dummies? Are Kraftwerk dummies in some > > sense? What was the message Kraftwerk was trying to get across with this song? > > Selling albums, earning cash? > Just an idea ;-). Like I've asked others on the list: aren't Kraftwerk artists? Did they spend most of their lives just trying to sell albums to simply make people dance... just to earn cash? If that's all they were trying to do, then perhaps they were not artists. Instead, they must be more like the conceived idea of our "current" robots... unable to think and therefore, unable to create art. "The artist is living the mirror..."; the art, "a reflection of himself." How can you reflect oneself, express oneself when you cannot "think?" Just an idea, eh? You're beginning to sound like a robot already :). Andrew Dieffenbach # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 09 Jun 2001 19:31:58 -0700 (PDT) How many languages can Ralf speak? I've heard him do a number of interviews in several languages, with ease. It's quite impressive. ------------------ The New Songs at ZKM, TG, and Linz will probably have lyrics in them...It's not like Kraftwerk to regress back to instrumentals like they did back around Autobahn. As I recall, during touring after Radioactivity came out, early versions of Trans-Europe Express and Showroom Dummies were played. (At the beginning just instrumentals, and slowly evolved. ------------------- Kraftwerk better get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame pretty damn soon! They have been nominated before, but have never made the cut. When they finally do, do you think they'll show up to accept their indcution into the Hall? ------------------- Has anyone in the North America bought anything from KlingKlang.com? I really want a Man-Machine shirt, but I'm not sure it'll get to me. If anyone has orded off the site before, please tell me how smoothly the process went. ------------------- Finally, what vocoder (or whatever) does Kraftwerk use to say 'Trans-Europe Express' on The Mix? It sounds sooooo good. Not the part right before it switches over to Metal on Metal, but the one used between the verses. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 09 Jun 2001 22:47:49 -0400 >>Has anyone in the=20 >>North America bought anything from KlingKlang.com? Yes, I have. It took a few weeks to get here but I really like the = shirts I got! They used a good quality material..... for the bike = shirts anyway (Tour De France and Autobahn).. I've heard of more people = that have ordered there too so you'll get the products!!! ;-)=20 BTW..... I would really love to hear an updated version of Space Lab but = I seriously don't think that will ever happen..... from Kwk anyway...... = but then again who knows!! ;-) Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) R&R Hall of Fame Date: 09 Jun 2001 20:56:01 -0700 (PDT) > Kraftwerk better get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame pretty damn soon! They have been nominated before, but have never made the cut. When they finally do, do you think they'll show up to accept their indcution into the Hall? I didn't actually know they'd been nominated--I only ever hear about who actually gets in. I think it's quite obvious that they would send the robots to accept. Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 10 Jun 2001 14:10:47 +0200 Christian Claycomb ( a.k.a. "cee cee" ;-) wrote : > BTW..... I would really love to hear an updated version > of Space Lab but I seriously don't think that will ever happen..... > from Kwk anyway...... but then again who knows!! ;-) *hehehe* ;-))) ME_2_!!! ;-) btw : that's indeed somehow funny , because i've jus' recently played "spacelab" in one of my radio shows & some people phoned in to ask about this song , so i also played it @ my last deejay gig ... early in the mornin' & people seem to freak out about a track that's 23 years ol' by now ( fyi : u have to keep in mind that all the other traxxx the deejays played there that night wasn't older than 10 years or so ;-) !!! *XLG* ;-))) wot a really strange world this is , eh !? *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 10 Jun 2001 16:02:42 +0200 hi kwf's ! first of all , i really like to thank andrew dieffenbach for one of the most interestin' & challengin' topix of this list in the last time !!! *thankful_smile* :-) okay now ... let's get into details right here 'n' now !!! *G+* ;-) i've thought about kw's songs & their general themes ( after their first three albums !!! ;-) a lot in the past & especially after andrew came up with his questions about dummies 'n' robots etc. !!! ;-) well ... here's my list of general themes & the songs , which kw related to them : a) movement ( & the sound of it ;-) 1.) autobahn 2.) morgenspaziergang ( *LOL* ;-))) 3.) kometenmelodie 1 & 2 * 4.) t.e.e. / metal on metal / abzug 5.) spacelab * 6.) tour de france * surprisingly enough , kw's only efforts ( so far ;-) concernin' "the space theme" in general ( apart from the bits 'n' pieces on their "radio-activity" album ... anyway ;-) !!! :-o b) human-like beings ( or "semi-human beings" ;-) 1.) showroom dummies ( IMHO jus' a precursor of the overall idea of "the robots" ;-) 2.) the robots 3.) the man-machine c) passion & desire 1.) the hall of mirrors 2.) the model 3.) computerlove 4.) the telephone call 5.) sex object d) urban lifestyle ( in big cities ;-) 1.) metropolis 2.) neonlights 3.) computerworld 4.) computerworld 2 5.) numbers 6.) home computer 7.) it's more fun to compute 8.) electric cafe ( IMHO the perfect precursor for the overall idea of an internet cafe !!! *BWG* ;-))) 9.) expo 2000 ( because the expo concept in general represents lots of "lil' cities" from diff'rent countries all over the world combined in "one big global village" !!! *VBG* ;-))) e) romantic visions 1.) europe endless 2.) franz schubert 3.) endless endless ( *hehehe* ;-))) f) music to dance to ( or at least music as "a tool" to make people move their butts to !!! *XLG* ;-))) 1.) pocket calculator ( "ich bin der musikant mit taschenrechner in der hand ... & wenn ich diese taste drück' , spielt er ein kleines musikstück !!!" ... is there anymore to say ??? *slyest_grin* ;-))) 2.) boing boom tschak 3.) techno-pop 4.) music non-stop g) "gesamtkunstwerk" ( or an overall concept about a specific theme ;-) 1.) the whole "radio-activity" album ... as a "gesamtkunstwerk" , centered around energy & communication in general !!! so in the end , there's only one track that doesn't really "fit" in any of those categories !!! :-o do u know what track that is ??? *sly_grin* ;-) fyi : here's a lil' hint : it actually sounds a lot more like "a soundtrack" to somethin' specific & it would have "fitted" also very well on one of the first three kw albums ... at least IMHO !!! ;-) p. s. : btw : have u ever wondered about WHY kw haven't made any songs about ships or planes ... or ( more songs about space 'n' ) time ??? ( well ... apart from "intermission" & THAT_SONG , mentioned above !!! *MWG* ;-))) yeah , honestly ... it's really not that easy to imagine traxxx with names 'n' themes like "titanic" or "concord" sung by ralf & florian !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) communication ( version 3.0 ;-) Date: 10 Jun 2001 16:40:18 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... some ( or even most of u ??? ) may already know this text of mine , but i've thought it's a good opportunity to post it here again ... after more than a year , anyway !!! *G+* ;-) ( fyi : it's mostly in german , sorry !!! ) so enjoy it ... or maybe not !!! *BWG* ;-))) communication die stimme / der ton das bild / die information das wort / der text mit jedem unser wissen wächst wir hören & sehen lernen zu verstehen wir gestalten & normen ... unsere welt aus farben & formen die schrift / das zeichen wir stellen die weichen ( ... für den datenfluss ... ) wir treffen eine wahl analog oder digital ? wir senden ein signal akustisch / visuell oder multimedial telephone / modem / fax / isdn wir übertragen die daten in verschiedenen sprachen deutsch / englisch / spanisch französisch / russisch / japanisch we like to chat on the internet we use the media as interface transmitting messages from place to place wir verarbeiten informationen in allen variationen wir verbinden systeme und lösen probleme there is no nation without communication unser kredo ist kommunikation in bild & ton VERSION 3.0 © 2000 OLAF A. JUERSS JOINT VENTURE COMMUNICATIONS CYBERNETX MEDIA / SENSORIA ENTERTAINMENT ~*~ >> "elektronik ... mechanik ... bewegung" << a futurELECTROnX ..::=||X||=::.. project ~*~ however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 10 Jun 2001 19:16:47 +0200 Omega Chance asked once again "a few questions" includin' : >> The New Songs at ZKM, TG, and Linz will probably have lyrics in them... It's not like Kraftwerk to regress back to instrumentals like they did back around Autobahn. As I recall, during touring after Radioactivity came out, early versions of Trans-Europe Express and Showroom Dummies were played. (At the beginning just instrumentals, and slowly evolved.) << well ... ALL albums of kw included at least ONE instrumental ( or nearly instrumental ;-) song , with only one word in it , like "metropolis" or "spacelab" for instance , or traxxx like "home computer" or "music non-stop" , with jus' one or two lines in it , like "am heimcomputer sitz ich hier ... & programmier die zukunft mir !!!" or "music non-stop ... techno-pop !!!" , which isn't too much of "a lyrical effort" IMHO_!!! *G+* ;-) anyway ... please DON'T expect much more lyrics on a new kw album ... otherwise u'll be even more disappointed , i suppose !!! :-/ however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Karaoke West Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:54:57 +0200 Has anybody heard about a band called "Karaoke West"? Their song "Die Discofibel" was running some weeks ago on VIVA ("Berlin hose") and from its style and rhythm it reminded me very much on Kraftwerk's "Taschenrechner". Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 10 Jun 2001 22:55:13 +0200 Oh Jay schrieb: > (...) > anyway ... please DON'T expect much more lyrics on a new kw album ... > otherwise u'll be even more disappointed , i suppose !!! :-/ Again: I personally don't belive there will be any new "official" KW-album (we're not talking about bootlegs ;-) ). Maybe 1997 after the tribal gathering and the ZKM things would have been a gread promotion for a new album (including the ZKM-soundcheck five new songs). Now fors years have gone, and all we have is a lousy "Expo 2000" single, remixed again and again to death. Maybe Ralf & Florian have now other priorities in their lives than music. Things like family and so on ;-). Greets, Georgie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:32:12 +0200 Georgie wrote : > Again: > I personally don't belive there will be any new "official" KW-album > (we're not talking about bootlegs ;-) ). well ... neither do i ... i mean talkin' about bootlegs or "stuff" like that !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) > Maybe 1997 after the tribal gathering and the ZKM things would have been > a gread promotion for a new album (including the ZKM-soundcheck five new songs). yes indeed !!! *sigh* :-o THAT would have been a good time , but as we all know , time is werkin' against kw ... or vice versa !!! :-/ but i suppose that kw wasn't "ready" then to release some of their new "stuff" !!! *sighs_even_deeper_than_before* :-o btw : i still want to hear "those other two songs" they've played @ the zkm soundcheck !!! *G+* ;-) > Now fors years have gone, and all we have is a lousy "Expo 2000" single, nah ... expo 2000 was a pretty good "werk in commission" IMHO_!!! ;-) > remixed again and again to death. fyi : i still like the orbital mix very much ... as nearly ALL of the "stuff" that orbital releases ... includin' their really fabulous new album "the altogether" !!! *BWG* ;-))) > Maybe Ralf & Florian have now other priorities in their lives > than music. Things like family and so on ;-). well ... i suppose that they STILL_HAVE "the skills to pay the bills" & their desire for music isn't gone either !!! *VBG* ;-))) u know , u have to make some buxxx to pay the rent , georgie , so "family & so on" won't necessarily keep them away from werkin' ... but bicyclin' does indeed ... at least sometimes !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT) >>please DON'T expect much more lyrics on a new kw album ... otherwise u'll be even more disappointed , i suppose !!! ------------ Yes, they'll probably be more instrumentals than we're used to whenever this "album" will come out. Especially with Ralf getting older, and all. I'm just saying, people keep going on that this new stuff isn't as good as we're used to, maybe we need time to play its self out, and the outcome will be much better than anyone of us could imagine... == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) History Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Since I can't get the archive working, I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally? I FEEL LIKE IM THE YOUNGEST ONE ON THIS LIST (:-o) -------------- Here's about me... Im a 14/m/ohio,usa I first found Kraftwerk almost a year ago. One of my friends told me to listen to this MP3 he got because it was so freakin' weird. I took a listen and wanted to hear it over and over again. It was "Electric Cafe". He got the Mp3 from another friend of mine that was into Saturday Night Live and the whole Sprockets sketch thing. After coming home from my friend's house, I decided to download the song, and I donwloaded another one and liked it as well. ("radioactivity" The Mix ver.) The next day I went and bought The Mix, since it was the only Kraftwerk CD the store had. After that I kept getting more and more, and now I only need Kraftwerk 1, 2, and Ralf & Florian (Rare as hell in the US). Thats about me, I should have done that when I first came here, oh well. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 11 Jun 2001 00:57:33 +0200 Oh Jay schrieb am 10.06.2001 16:02 Uhr MEZ: > p. s. : > btw : have u ever wondered about WHY kw haven't made any songs about (...) > planes ... What about "Vom Himmel hoch"? Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) communication ( version 3.0 ;-) Date: 11 Jun 2001 00:57:30 +0200 Oh Jay schrieb am 10.06.2001 16:40 Uhr MEZ: > wir verbinden systeme > und l=F6sen probleme Den lieb' ich, der Unm=F6gliches begehrt! (Mephisto) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw's songs & their general themes Date: 11 Jun 2001 01:09:05 +0200 Olaf J mused: > /.../ imagine traxxx with names 'n' themes like "titanic" or "concord" sung by ralf & florian !!! Add "Challenger" to that list and you've got yourself a concept for a 'disaster' of an album ;) -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: The Mix 2... Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:42:01 +0200 "omegaChance" pondered: > If you could choose what songs Kraftwerk would re-do... I'd sooner ask which contemporary artists you'd pick to do the remixing, rather than rely on Ralf and Florian getting it right a second time. -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: The Mix 2... Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:58:59 +0200 Gunnar W reflected: > /.../ I know where Ralf and Florian another "The Mix" could insert themselves ;-) You better pray they haven't already installed CD-burners up their ass*s... :/ -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Showroom Dummies idea 1... Date: 11 Jun 2001 00:41:51 +0200 Andy D mused: > /.../ Kraftwerk didn't spend twenty plus years writing innovating yet m= eaningless songs simply for the sake of "modern" people with their "moder= n clothes" dancing to modern disco. According to Ralf, "[Kraftwerk's objective] consists of working without a respite toward the construction of the perfect pop song for the tribes of= the global village." (Petrini, Lyon Lib=E9ration Nov. 5th 1991) > "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der hand"... correct me out= there if I'm wrong: "I am a musician with a small computer in my hand"). It quite literally means "I'm the musician with a pocket calculator in my hand". (Tasche =3D pocket, Rechner =3D calculator) So, whip out your C= asio or Texas Instruments and get down! :* > "I am your slave... I am your worker" /.../ Is this not a portrayal of = Communism? The correct translation of the Russian phrase you refer to is "I am your servant, I am your worker". (sluga =3D servant) Communism, advocating a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and where= the means of production belong to the community, would perhaps be better port= rayed by indicating that "we're all workers, we're all servants". -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Showroom Dummies idea... Date: 10 Jun 2001 23:54:44 +0200 Andy D wondered: > Are Kraftwerk dummies in some sense? A British journalist apparently thought so; he described them thus after witnessing a Kraftwerk performance in September 1975. (Bussy, "Man Machine and Music" p.90) They may not be the most communicative band on the planet, but they probably do read the papers. -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Tons of Questions... Date: 11 Jun 2001 01:13:11 +0200 "omegaChance" wondered: > How many languages can Ralf speak? Lesse... his a birrof a cycling fan, so he's likely to be comfortable in French and Italian. There's German of course, and English, uh... apparently a birrof Russian too. > It's not like Kraftwerk to regress back to instrumentals... (Is this a statement or a question?) Being German you can trust them to keep their mouths shut unless they've got something worthwhile to say. I for one sure hope they'll go more instrumental, abstract and wierd. > /.../ do you think they'll show up to accept their indcution into the [Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame]? They probably need all the good press they can get after the Expo debacle and all the lawsuits flying around. It's not like the Zero Landmine project's made much of an impact outside Asia either... > /.../ what vocoder (or whatever) does Kraftwerk use to say 'Trans-Europe Express' on The Mix? Quite likely that "system and method for synthesising singing in real time" - a.k.a. Robovox - that Florian & Co. filed a patent for in May 1990. (http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/equipment.html#equipment) -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:36:03 +0200 Oh Jay wrote: > > Maybe 1997 after the tribal gathering and the ZKM things would have been > > a gread promotion for a new album (including the ZKM-soundcheck five new > songs). > > yes indeed !!! *sigh* :-o THAT would have been a good time , but as we all > know , time is werkin' against kw ... or vice versa !!! :-/ Exactly. R&F seem to have talents to miss good opportunities. Think about the re-release of "Tour de France". It could had become a great hit in Germany, if it had been released two years earlier, at the same time of the big success of Jan Ullrich, hadn't it? Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:36:16 +0200 Jan Reetze wrote: > > Oh Jay schrieb am 10.06.2001 16:02 Uhr MEZ: > > > p. s. : > > btw : have u ever wondered about WHY kw haven't made any songs about (...) > > planes ... > > What about "Vom Himmel hoch"? Didn't they tell in interviews, they are afraid of flying? ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Karaoke West Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:38:24 +0200 Georg Jajus wrote: > > Has anybody heard about a band called "Karaoke West"? > > Their song "Die Discofibel" was running some weeks ago on VIVA ("Berlin > hose") and from its style and rhythm it reminded me very much on > Kraftwerk's "Taschenrechner". Yes, I saw it, too. (I thought their called "Mitte Karaoke"?) They presented a kind of naive-lyrics like Kraftwerk did in the past. I had to think of, after Mr. OhJay has sent his wonderfull lyrics of "Communication" ;-) Die Discofibel by "Mitte Karaoke" (or "Karaoke West"? Don't know): "Draußen ist es kalt. "It's cold outside. D'rum geh' ich in die Disko. Because of that I go into a disco. Da kann man tanzen There people can dance. Und sich aufwärmen And warm up themselves. Ich hab da einen Freund. I've got a friend there. Der cool ist und auch DJ. He's cool and also DJ Der legt die Platten He puts the records auf den Teller. On the Turntable. Der dreht die Platten He turns the records immer schneller." Faster and faster." Beautiful, isn't it? ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Computer Icons Date: 11 Jun 2001 08:38:47 -0000 A set of 20 folder Kraftwerk-themed icons for your computer desktop can be found here: http://www.iconfactory.com/Preview.asp?type=search&id=44&query=kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 11 Jun 2001 12:46:36 +0200 Or, re-releasing Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk2 and Ralf&Florian..? Instead, bootleggers must have made big bucks... I can imagine however that those albums are quite far from what they do today. About 30 years now. So they may not have that great feelings about those records anymore. Or there are legal issues, or maybe the master tapes have gone bad... Odd. Rick Jansen Gunnar Wess wrote: > Exactly. R&F seem to have talents to miss good opportunities. Think > about the re-release of "Tour de France". It could had become a great > hit in Germany, if it had been released two years earlier, at the same > time of the big success of Jan Ullrich, hadn't it? -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 11 Jun 2001 13:43:45 +0200 > Jan Reetze wrote: > > > > Oh Jay schrieb am 10.06.2001 16:02 Uhr MEZ: > > > > > p. s. : > > > btw : have u ever wondered about WHY kw haven't made any songs about (...) > > > planes ... > > > > What about "Vom Himmel hoch"? well ... there are two possibilities IMHO : 1.) "vom himmel hoch ... da komm' ich her ... & muß euch sagen ..." *BWG* ;-))) ( fyi : the german speakin' people on this list may know the rest of it !!! *LOL* ;-))) 2.) it's a song in the "tradition" of "kometenmelodie 1 & 2" ... & not so much a song about planes or aircrafts , i suppose !? ;-) btw : are there any references in this song , which makes u think that it was about planes or aircrafts in general or particular , jan ??? *pla(i)n[e]_curious* ;-))) > Gunnar ( a.k.a. "Der Stromschläger" ;-) wrote : > > Didn't they tell in interviews, they are afraid of flying? ;-) yep , they did !!! ;-) so i suppose they were not only airsick , but also seasick !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:33:46 -0000 The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's happening? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:07:13 -0400 > The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's > happening? If you recall the other rumor was that it got put on hold due to art work problems!! :-( Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Tons of Questions... Date: 11 Jun 2001 18:02:47 +0200 Gunnar Wess schrieb: > (...) > Exactly. R&F seem to have talents to miss good opportunities. Well, except their 400000.- DM deal with the Expo-management *g*. > Think > about the re-release of "Tour de France". It could had become a great > hit in Germany, if it had been released two years earlier, at the same > time of the big success of Jan Ullrich, hadn't it? Yes, and I still wounder why they didn't re-release a remixed/updated version of "Tour de france". Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 20:21:11 +0200 Matthew Dean wrote: > > The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's > happening? Guess what! It happend the same thing as happend in September 1997 or in summer 2000. Someone fooled us. (That's my opinion) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:54:14 EDT I'm 46 (as of yesterday). I first heard "Autobahn" when it came out, on US rock radio (those were the days). Didn't much get into them until a girl friend turned me onto "Computer World" when it came out; then I was hooked and had to get everything they ever did. They are one of my all-time favorite bands. Frank # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 13:18:53 -0700 (PDT) >> The new KW album is for June right? Don't ever get your hopes up on rumours :/ == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:06:44 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Matthew Dean wrote: > The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's > happening? The same thing that has happened to the last dozen confirmed new album rumors over the last few years, no doubt. I won't believe there's a new album until I see it in the store. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:06:44 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Matthew Dean wrote: > The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's > happening? The same thing that has happened to the last dozen confirmed new album rumors over the last few years, no doubt. I won't believe there's a new album until I see it in the store. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:26:59 EDT --part1_35.166412c4.285691a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit once again, Kraftwerk has let us all down ;'\ --part1_35.166412c4.285691a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit once again, Kraftwerk has let us all down ;'\

--part1_35.166412c4.285691a3_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 15:36:18 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Modular77@aol.com wrote: > once again, Kraftwerk has let us all down ;'\ I would say that once again, someone has raised false hopes and then let us down. That someone isn't Kraftwerk; they never say anything. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:37:24 -0700 On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Matthew Dean wrote: > The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's > happening? I imagine Ralf and Florian a few years back, debating about what to release next... and I'm not talking about a new clothing line here... I'm talking about a whole album with MUSIC, not singles, remixes or anything like that either. As we all know, they only had five choices: 1. An album with new material (without a doubt, a beautiful wet dream) 2. A live album (maybe not a wet one, but a damn good dream) 3. Another mix (a good dream that can easily turn into a nightmare) 4. A best of (a definite nightmare) 5. None of the above (the most realistic dream of them all) Who the hell knows... unfortunately, at this point, my hopes for option 1 are almost gone. And I definitely don't want to see an option 3, 4 or 5 come to life, so I'm putting my money on number 2. That's something they never did before. Releasing a live album, not only on the popular formats, but also on DVD. If not DVD, at least the CD will probably be enhanced. They've already flirted with the enhanced feature on TDF. A Live album. Yeah... after all, that's why they put *that particular Photo* up on kraftwerk.com I know... daydreaming is good... isn't? Enrique np: Swayzak "Himawari" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes Date: 11 Jun 2001 19:41:33 +0200 Oh Jay schrieb am 11.06.2001 13:43 Uhr MEZ: >>> What about "Vom Himmel hoch"? > 2.) it's a song in the "tradition" of "kometenmelodie 1 & 2" ... & not so > much a song about planes or aircrafts , i suppose !? ;-) This comparison is beyond me, I'm sorry. (Maybe you're mixing it up with "Megaherz"?) > btw : are there any references in this song , which makes u think that it > was about planes or aircrafts in general or particular , jan ??? > *pla(i)n[e]_curious* ;-))) Apart from the title: How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom Himmel hoch" other than an imitation of the sound of small prop planes crashing down? Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Kometenmelodie 1 Date: 11 Jun 2001 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT) I just realized that the sound in the flash animation thing at kraftwerk.com is from Kometenmelodie 1 (not the first page with the antenna, but the one with the sound wave thing). Am I Right? == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) I'm Determined to Know... Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:00:28 -0700 (PDT) I e-mailed EMI-Electrola concerning this rumour about this "album". Heaven knows if I'll ever get a reply from them, but at least I tried. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: (kw) NEU! Date: 12 Jun 2001 02:20:33 Does anyone know if the three NEU! cd's have already been released in Canada? I checked almost every music store in Montreal and it isn't there. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes;-) Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:45:01 +0200 hi kwf's ! i wrote myself : > > 2.) it's a song in the "tradition" of "kometenmelodie 1 & 2" ... & not so > > much a song about planes or aircrafts , i suppose !? ;-) Jan Reetze schrieb : > This comparison is beyond me, I'm sorry. (Maybe you're mixing it up with > "Megaherz"?) & > Apart from the title: How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom > Himmel hoch" other than an imitation of the sound of small prop planes > crashing down? erm ... honestly , i haven't bothered to look up my ol' dusty vinyl copy of the album to hear all the scratches on it once again , but as far as i can remember , "vom himmel hoch" has far more to do with comets crashin' down on earth ( therefore my reference to "komentenmelodie 1 & 2" !!! *BWG* ;-))) , than with "an imitation of the sound of small prop planes crashin' down" !!! *G+* ;-) well ... i suppose , i really have to listen to it once again !!! *hehehe* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 17:22:03 +0100 I'm 45 (and growing old disgracefully) this July. Been a fan of Kraftwerk since Autobahn was a big hit in the UK (1974?). I can even remember where I first heard it, (on my local pub's jukebox) needless to say it blew me away and I've been obsessed ever since. Not related but around about the same time, someone introduced me to a record called 'About Time' by 2 American guys who called themselves, 'Tonto's Expanding Headband'. All the music was electronically performed on early synths (Moogs I guess). I haven't had any luck tracking down a CD copy of this. Any of you guys familiar with this record? Shaun I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 19:39:01 +0200 Hello, I'm 14, and I first discovered Kraftwerk when our teacher played us Radioactivity (the original version) about 7 years ago. I really loved this sound and bought the album. Well, after some years I knew all of their stuff, collected some bootlegs and rare vinyl stuff and so I'm still a fan, but I don't listen a lot to Kraftwerk anymore. Now I'm more into Depeche Mode and Jean-Michel Jarre. Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Heidler Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:35:13 -0500 Have not heard about this band, but, I am leaning towards the geriatric crew. I'm 34, and believe it or not, first found out about KW on MTV. I think it was the first year MTV was on the air - I don't recall the video I saw at the moment. Of course, growing up in the middle of the USA (Kansas - farm country) there were not too many people who knew about KW. Been a fan ever since. Praying they tour again, I have not had a chance to see them yet. Nat -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:22 AM I'm 45 (and growing old disgracefully) this July. Been a fan of Kraftwerk since Autobahn was a big hit in the UK (1974?). I can even remember where I first heard it, (on my local pub's jukebox) needless to say it blew me away and I've been obsessed ever since. Not related but around about the same time, someone introduced me to a record called 'About Time' by 2 American guys who called themselves, 'Tonto's Expanding Headband'. All the music was electronically performed on early synths (Moogs I guess). I haven't had any luck tracking down a CD copy of this. Any of you guys familiar with this record? Shaun I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 13:39:17 -0400 Hi, currently there is no CD at this time however a LP is available on e-bay at the moment. I have the LP and it was way ahead of it's time. By the way, I am 48 but I look like I am 47. There is a nice writeup on the group at the ebay auction. Shaun Vaughan wrote: > I'm 45 (and growing old disgracefully) this July. Been a fan of Kraftwerk > since Autobahn was a big hit in the UK (1974?). I can even remember where I > first heard it, (on my local pub's jukebox) needless to say it blew me away > and I've been obsessed ever since. > Not related but around about the same time, someone introduced me to a > record called 'About Time' by 2 American guys who called themselves, > 'Tonto's Expanding Headband'. All the music was electronically performed on > early synths (Moogs I guess). I haven't had any luck tracking down a CD copy > of this. Any of you guys familiar with this record? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 19:54:21 +0200 Hi there, i´m 32 and i first listened to kraftwerk when i was 5 or 6. There was a music show in television moderated by Thomas Gottschalk with his pal Nico and they made a quiz with the vievers asking: "Which band plays this song?". Then they played "Autobahn" and for weeks i was sitting in the corner humming "Fahr´n fah´n fah´n auf der Autobahn". Next thing I remember was me, some years later, in a record shop buying "Computerwelt". Guess my disappointment when I realized that "The Robots" was not on this album. So I had to buy more and more until I found it. But at least "Computerwelt" became my alltime favorite album of the world. Stay tuned NUC2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 20:02:11 +0200 Omega Chance asked : > I'd like to know how old all you guys are > and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally? well ... i'm 34 since may this year & i found out about kw , because my parents played their records to me !!! *BWG* ;-))) fyi : it was in 1975 when i was jus' about 8 years ol' & laid in bed with a very bad influenza with high fever & all that "stuff" & my mom decided to play kw's "ohm sweet ohm" to me ... as a kind of "lullaby" so to say !!! *shy_grin* ;-) guess what ??? ;-) it werked perfectly !!! *hehehe* ;-))) my influenza was gone a few days later & since that time i was really fascinated by nearly ev'rythin' kw made so far !!! *sincere_smile* :-) oh yeah , i know it's a kind of "silly sob story" , but it's true ... jus' ask my mom !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... it's really good to see such young people ( "omega chance" , u wrote that u were jus' 14 ... if i recall it KorreKt ??? ;-) have so much interest in such a great band like kw ... no matter if they'll release ANY new material ... or maybe not !!! *pretty_confident_smile* :-) many greetinx , oh jay - "the dreamer 'n' fool" ( from northern germany ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: No Subject: (kw) Re: History - klux Date: 12 Jun 2001 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) "I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally?" I first heard Kraftwerk over 20 years ago on the wonderful "The Electrifying Mojo" radio program over Detroit airwaves. This partially inspired me to begin my music career at that time, as Kraftwerk is one of my main influences in my productions among other original electronic artists. Kind regards, KL http://www.kevinlux.com http://www.kevinlux.com/KW.html <- a few KW covers http://www.mp3.com/kevinlux __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) (OT) Tonto's Expanding Headband Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:08:07 -0700 Shaun Vaughan wrote: /.../ Not related but around about the same time, someone introduced me = >to a record called 'About Time' by 2 American guys who called = themselves, >'Tonto's Expanding Headband'. All the music was electronically = performed=20 >on early synths (Moogs I guess). I haven't had any luck tracking down = a=20 >CD copy of this. Any of you guys familiar with this record? Not at all, however, I did some digging on tracking down the CD, and = I've found that the Viceroy Music label combined, back on 1996, both of T.o.n.t.o.'s albums onto a single-disc CD reissue called "Tonto Rides Again". You can find it at http://www.cdzone.co.uk It goes for =A312.80, so = good luck Shaun! Enrique np: Higher Intelligence Agency "Freefloater" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT) >>I'm 14 A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. When did you turn 14? == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 21:43:42 +0200 > A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. > > When did you turn 14? In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.) Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:09:14 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Shaun Vaughan wrote: > I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about > Kraftwerk originally? I'm 29. I first heard The Man-Machine playing at an Electrode Hut (Rat Shack (Radio Shack)) store in Calgary. It grabbed me immediately. It was the first music I really liked. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Tons of Questions... Date: 12 Jun 2001 23:15:40 +0200 Rick J pondered: > Or there are legal issues... Indeed. It could be they don't actually own the publishing rights or even the masters. They didn't set their own publisher up 'til late '75, and although they might've bought the rights to "Autobahn" back, they might not have found the acquirement of the rights to their earlier works as interesting as buying, say, a Synclavier. -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up Date: 12 Jun 2001 15:34:35 -0700 --------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, sure, anyone can get a band like Depeche Mode to play at their party. But, I'll be impressed when you get Ralf & Florian together, also Karl & Wolfgang, reunited, and playing stuff off of their new album. I first heard KW in about '76, Autobahn, on the radio. Then I bought Man-Machine ('78, I was 18), and wore it out. I like ALL of KW music, but favorites are Antenna, Comet Melody 2, Airwaves, Neon Lights, TEE. The body of work and the range of it are extraordinary. To me, the KW sound is as timeless as, say, art deco design. It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean. Bix Fabien Stoffel wrote: > > A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. > > > > When did you turn 14? > > In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.) > > Greets, > Fabien --------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, sure, anyone can get a band like Depeche Mode to play at their party.  But, I'll be impressed when you get Ralf & Florian together, also Karl & Wolfgang, reunited, and playing stuff off of their new album.

I first heard KW in about '76, Autobahn, on the radio.  Then I bought Man-Machine ('78, I was 18), and wore it out.  I like ALL of KW music, but favorites are Antenna, Comet Melody 2, Airwaves, Neon Lights, TEE.  The body of work and the range of it are extraordinary.  To me, the KW sound is as timeless as, say, art deco design.  It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean.

Bix
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Fabien Stoffel wrote:

> A Depeche Mode fan too?  Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk.
>
> When did you turn 14?

In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.)

Greets,
Fabien

--------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up Date: 12 Jun 2001 17:42:07 -0400 Wow!!! I was just thinking the same thing :-) You Kraftwerkers are great! Dale Emery wrote: ""It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean. "" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:10:48 +0200 nitrus wrote : > Wow!!! I was just thinking the same thing :-) > > You Kraftwerkers are great! *LOL* ;-))) yes indeed , we are ( like the robotz ;-) !!! *G+* ;-) > Dale Emery wrote: > > "It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, > accessible yet promethean." hey dale , can i use this as a catch-up line in the future ... or do u still own the copyright to it ??? *hehehe* ;-))) anyway ... many thanx in advance & CHEERS_!!! *BWG* ;-))) oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:11:44 +0200 Jan R schreibt: > How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom Himmel hoch" [?] Bombs dropping. But maybe that's just me. Time for my pill... -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band [Was: History] Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:11:54 +0200 Shaun V wondered: > Any of you guys familiar with this record? Both T.O.N.T.O. albums, "Zero Time" (1971) and "It's About Time" (1972) originally issued on Embryo, were re-issued on CD as "T.O.N.T.O. Rides Again" (1996) on Viceroy. The band takes it's name from The Original New Timbral Orchestra, a large collection of custom built Moog modules constructed by Bob Moog, Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. While Bob took off to tinker on the Mini Moog, Cecil and Margouleff set about recording TV and movie soundtracks (as well as producing Lothar & The Hand People) before recording on their own as T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band. (Though the second album was simply credited to 'Tonto'.) Since then, Cecil and Margouleff have worked with a wide range of artists - from Stevie Wonder ("Music of My Mind"), The Isley Brothers, The Gap Band, Quincy Jones, to Devo ("Freedom of Choice") and Depeche Mode (the US "But Not Tonight" remix) - replacing some of the more troublesome modules in the T.O.N.T.O. setup with Serge modules. (Also a favourite with Vince Clarke.) Apparently, most of the original T.O.N.T.O. modules now sit in the basement of Devo/The Big Dirty Farmers Mark Mothersbaugh. Go figure. -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo Date: 12 Jun 2001 15:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Mark does music for a child's show called "Rugrats" which seems to be very popular. Ironic how this guy was once a strange New Wave leader of the 80's and now on a child's show.... == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:04:13 -0000 I'm Ian, from Scotland. I'm 39 and have been listening to KW since 1977. It was the era of punk in the UK and in my local record shop I came across the Trans Europe Express album. This was the first time I had heard of KW and I bought the album for three reasons: 1) The cover (I have never bought an album before or since simply because of the cover). During this period there were either hippie bands or new exciting punk bands. This album was dated 1977 and did not fit with anything else at the time. The instrument list made it clear that there were no conventional rock'n'roll instruments being used. The cover obviously had a lot of thought and work in it so the band must have had something unique to offer. 2) The band was German. During the UK punk scene there was a backlash against the American style rock bands and UK groups that emulated them. UK groups presented a British identity, so what about a group that were so clearly German? 3) I had an interest in German classical composers, the KW image seemed to pay homage to this heritage. TEE did not dissapoint and "Europe Endless" remains one of my favourite songs. The next KW album I found was a double album simply called "Kraftwerk" which I now realise was a reissue of KW1 and KW2. This was so different from TEE that I decided to buy the rest of the albums in between to see how TEE came about. A few years later in 1980 I worked as a DJ at an American Navy Base and used to present a night of soul music for the Afro Americans. Although KW was not dance music, I felt that there was something in common with the way it should be listened to. When rock fans listened to dance music all they heard was a repetitive beat. Rock music is equally repetitive but the beat is in the background and the guitars and vocals are out front. With dance music you have the beat out front, but you don't listen to the beat; you feel it. Like TEE (and the following albums), you feel the beat and the rythm but listen to the melody. I used to import a lot of music from the USA and then one day I heard Afrika Baambaata's Planet Rock sampling TEE. The record was an instant hit with my audience. I was facinated by the fact that Baambaataa was inspired both by Zulu culture and a group of classicaly trained German musicians. KW was I think the only white musicians I ever played during my black music night on a regular basis. Needless to say I have not stopped listening to KW and as far as I am concerned every album they have made is precious. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 13 Jun 2001 02:04:44 +0200 Oh Jay schrieb: > (...) my mom decided to > play kw's "ohm sweet ohm" to me ... as a kind of "lullaby" so to say !!! > *shy_grin* ;-) > guess what ??? ;-) it werked perfectly !!! *hehehe* ;-))) my influenza was > gone a few days later (...) Great. A medical wounder happened ;-). (Kraftwerk, the musician medicine men?) Greets, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 12 Jun 2001 23:46:23 EDT I'm 18 years old. When I was 14 my guitar teacher reccomended Kraftwerk to me after I got into Gary Numan. I downloaded some clips off of their first few albums from a website and became very interested. I bought all of their other albums but was not able to track down their early material until about a year later. Those albums continue to be my favorites and led me to buy a lot of other German psychedelic bands from that period, Guru Guru and Cluster being my favorite. Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) History Date: 13 Jun 2001 10:48:41 +0200 Hello, I'm 25 years old, will be 26 on Jully 4. I think I heard KW the very first time on a pirate radio station here in Paris in 1982 or 1983 . This was a station that was just only repeataging two songs: KW the Robots and David Bowie's Fashion. I heard T.E.E. in a train station afterward as a background music afew years later and this track also amazed me , but I was very young so I didn't care about what it was from. I really discovered KW in 1991 when a radio station once during the night started playing Radio-activity (the original version). I was not sleeping , just listening to the radio on my bed and this song kept playing in me over and over. I finally go to a CD store and bough "The Mix" , this was the only KW CD they had , but I remember that I was disappointed the first time I plaid it because this was of course not the original version of RA . Later I bough all KW albums , first some on vinyl or tapes , then on CD's at a high import price ! Then some years later I finally connected to the Internet and the first MP3 (actually MP2) file I downloaded was a live version from Mensch-maschine. I must say that I learnt just all about KW from this list and the Web. Cheers. Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Re: T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band [Was: History] Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:45:40 +0100 Lech wrote: > Apparently, most of the original T.O.N.T.O. modules now sit in the basement of > Devo/The Big Dirty Farmers Mark Mothersbaugh. Go figure. I read in a post, sent to another music list last October, that, although Mark Mothersbaugh was granted extensive access to TONTO, and indeed had it in his studio, Malcolm Cecil retained ownership, and moved it into storage last year. I don't know if this is true - but if anyone wants to track down TONTO, it's another story to take into account, maybe! Somewhere on the Web, there is (or was) a scan of MM, posing like a dummy with TONTO... & this modular synthesiser also starred in the film 'Phantom of the Paradise'. ;-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) (OT) Tonto's Expanding Headband Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:15:19 +0100 Enrique Thanks for that info. 'Soon as I get back on the web, I'll see if I can order it. Cheers Shaun Not at all, however, I did some digging on tracking down the CD, and I've found that the Viceroy Music label combined, back on 1996, both of T.o.n.t.o.'s albums onto a single-disc CD reissue called "Tonto Rides Again". You can find it at http://www.cdzone.co.uk It goes for £12.80, so good luck Shaun! Enrique np: Higher Intelligence Agency "Freefloater" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: volvo1971@att.net Subject: (kw) History Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:18:36 +0000 I'm 32. I can't remember exactly when and where I first heard The Model...I think it was on a local radio station in Ohio (USA). I already was into Gary Numan and Blondie, so I was primed for that song. I only heard it once, but it stuck in my head for a long time. When I first heard it, I didn't know who peformed it, so I kept vigil on my radio hoping they would play it again. Eventually I found out it was Kraftwerk and found TEE in a record store hoping The Model was on it. It wasn't, but I liked what I heard. The rest is history. Actually I'm more into Kraftwerk today than I was then thanks to the Internet. It's almost impossible to get info about KW here in the States since they are nowhere near as popular as they are in Europe. The best I could do is go to independent record stores looking for imports and new releases. Thank goodness for this list or else I would never have known about Expo 2000. Mike F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) New album? Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:38:10 -0000 Various people have said: "I personally don't belive there will be any new "official" KW-album "> The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's happening? If you recall the other rumor was that it got put on hold due to art work problems!! :-( " "Guess what! It happend the same thing as happend in September 1997 or in summer 2000. Someone fooled us. (That's my opinion)" "The same thing that has happened to the last dozen confirmed new album rumors over the last few years, no doubt. I won't believe there's a new album until I see it in the store." "once again, Kraftwerk has let us all down ;'\ " "I would say that once again, someone has raised false hopes and then let us down. That someone isn't Kraftwerk; they never say anything." My view is if there's going to be a new album you'll see the most reliable advance news from the www.kraftwerk.com/de websites, like the way they 'announced' the remixes of Expo2000. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) RE:(KW) Dummies and KW themes Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:58:49 -0000 OK, here's my thoughts on what Andrew was saying. We are dummies if we choose to be dummies; we are robots if we choose to be robots. We may present ourselves as individuals but still be robots, we may be robots but present ourselves as individuals. KW presents us with the image of the robot. KW present us with a question, they do not make a statement. Also (unlike oh jay), I see "The Model" as part of the same theme of the showroom dummy, man machine and robot. KW have presented this concept in four different ways, as dummies that dance at discos, as a glamorous female who's existence (and strength) is built on consumerism, as a machine slave, and as mass population behaving as a machine (well that's my interpretation of man machine). This would suggest to me that this is not simply songs about robots. KW were inspired by the sound and the image of the Beachboys. Also they liked the image of the Ramones. Both groups having a corporate identity that complimented the unique approach to making music. KW fist appeared on an album cover with the release of TEE. The image was business like, romantic, and a little unreal- possibly humorous, possibly sinister. Image is more often than not a very superficial thing in the music business. This is because image is usually purely a marketing gimmick, to compensate for a lack musical identity rather than enhancing it. This is not the case with KW. The image is a vehicle for the music. And the music is often about image itself. So when KW presents us with a robot, we are forced to either relate to it or reject it. A puppet show is an alternative to theatre, not a substitute. In a puppet show we can concentrate on actions without being distracted by personality. Cartoons are an alternative to actors, I find The Simpsons and King of The Hill to be more real than most soap operas. A mask is not something to hide behind, but rather a freedom to express other character traits that are not constrained by a public image. Wolfgang Flur described KW music as often cold. I don't see this, I see a cold image, this allows for less superficial emotions to come though. I suppose the perfect song is one that is accessible but unique to the listener. I certainly can't say which KW album I like best, or like least. I have noticed that a lot of people on this list did not appreciate the Mix, but to me it is as strong as all the other albums. I believe it was the right thing to do. A greatest hits album would simply present the music out of context, the Mix however provided a relevant interpretation of previous music. It is like KW looking in the Hall of Mirrors. And the image, like the music, not romantic - business like, possibly humorous, possibly sinister, but I felt something that did not come across on the other albums- a touch of anger or frustration. Radioactivity is the least subtle statement they have made, The Robots sound empowered, The TEE does not have time to stop and meet old acquaintances, and Music Not Stop sounds like an argument. I can not picture a Mix2 with The Model, Europe Endless etc. Karl Bartos, and Wolfgang Flur did not care much for the image of the skeletal robots. Bartos thought it was outdated compared too Terminator and the like. I disagree, the robots are not about technology, they are art. They are not scary monsters, they are ....er.. human. Finally (phew!) a word about the dear departed. I do not condone R & F treatment of the other KW members, particularly the elimination of the names from the re-issue CDs. However, I do wonder what this is all about. Why is the KW image so jealously protected, unless there is new material to be released. I can understand that Bartos and Flur were frustrated at being in KW during the 80s, and I certainly like their solo work. They are very talented people. I can however, understand that the KW image is so powerful and integral to the music that they had to be restrained when they were KW members. Wolfgang has every right to be hurt by his treatment, but this is the way of KW. I can't help but feel that Ralph and Florian have a final work to release. This would help explain things. But will it ever get released? Ok back to sleep now. regards, ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 13 Jun 2001 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Here's what I got back from EMI.... ------ Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, Vielen Dank für Ihr Mail und Ihr Interesse an unseren Künstlern. Leider müssen wir Ihnen mitteilen, dass für Juni kein neues Album von Kraftwerk geplant ist. Ebenfalls möchten wir Ihnen mitteilen, dass es zur Zeit kein Projekt der Gruppe läuft. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Das EMI Team ----- In English: Thanks for the e-mail and interest in our artist. We regret to inform you there is no album scheduled for release by Kraftwerk this June. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE:No New Album.... Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:12:30 +0100 No album this month, but there is a growing belief that it will be released in September, after the artwork problems are dealt with. That's one month before New Order release their album. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Ref: History (TONTO) Date: 13 Jun 2001 08:43:30 -0700 On Tuesday, Shaun Vaughan asked about "T.O.N.T.O." They were one of my favorite synth groups, and came onto my radar screen about the same time "Autobahn" did (along with Tangerine Dream and Synergy). In a nutshell - Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil were the guys behind T.O.N.T.O. (The Original New Timbral Orchestra). It's actually a series of 12 synths (based on a Series III Moog) linked together and played simultaneously. It was renouned for it's fat bass sounds (very difficult to get in analog machines), but was notoriously high-maintenance. It can be heard on most all of Stevie Wonders 70's output, starting with "Music of My Mind". There were two albums credited to "TONTO's Expanding Head Band". The First "ZeroTime" was originally issued on US Embryo SD732 in 1973, and reissued on US Atlantic SD18123 in 1975. The second was "It's About Time" UK Polydor 2383-308 in 1974. Fortunately, there was a CD produced. "Tonto Rides Again" on US Viceroy Vintage VIN6036-2 was issued in 1996, featuring the whole of "ZeroTime", and most of "It's About Time", in HDCD to boot. The liner notes include tributes from Stevie Wonder and Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo, who now owns the instrument. Unfortunately, the CD is now out of print. I found a couple of copies of "Zerotime" on US Ebay, for those interested. More info on Tonto can be found at the All Music Guide (www.allmusicguide.com). Hope this helps. -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:15:18 +0100 Oh well, never mind. While we carry on waiting, I hope it's not a total musical wasteground for everyone. What's everybody listening to recently? Got any pointers for other good electronica? This is what's on my CD player of late: ORBITAL - The Altogether (OK, but not as good as previous efforts) RADIOHEAD - Amnesiac (Even darker than previous albums, takes a few listens to get into it) URBAN FUNK BREAKS Vol 2 - Botchit & Scarper breakbeat compliation (detected a few KW samples in this lot) AIR - 10,000 Hz Legend (disappointing follow up to Moon Safari) DAFT PUNK - Discovery (Daft Punk doing the robot thing. Again, not as groundbreaking as previous album) PLAID - Double Figure (Third album - good sounding electronics) MOUSE ON MARS - Idiology (These boys are out there on their own - amazing music) Also, dug out my old copy of Metamatic by John Foxx (1980. Virgin Records) If you like Kraftwerk, I'd be amazed if you didnt like this. Shaun Thanks for the e-mail and interest in our artist. We regret to inform you there is no album scheduled for release by Kraftwerk this June. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 13 Jun 2001 19:03:00 +0200 Shaun Vaughan wrote : > Also, dug out my old copy of Metamatic by John Foxx > (1980. Virgin Records) > If you like Kraftwerk, I'd be amazed if you didnt like this. yeah , john's "stuff" is really *kewl* & if u like the "metamatic" album , then check out his newer "stuff" like the "shifting city" album with louis gordon from 1997 on his own metamatic label !!! ;-) also highly recommended is his latest compilation-album , called "modern art" !!! ;-) go here >> http://www.metamatic.com << & find out more about john & his werk so far !!! ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris K Jackman Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:52:18 +0100 In article <3B2693A0.F20AB9AC@telia.com>, Lech writes > >Jan R schreibt: >> How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom Himmel hoch" [?] > >Bombs dropping. >But maybe that's just me. >Time for my pill... Hi there, I couldn't resist commenting too. I've thought it sounds like an air-raid with bombs dropping and anti- aircraft guns/ armoured vehicles driving about. However, my mind goes a bit off on a tangent and the best way I can describe what continues in the intro of Vom Himmel are ducks (maybe cyborg/robotic ducks...) duelling on motorbikes and riding about at great speed. I know it's crazy, but who's to say... I'd love an animator or film maker to come up with a video to go with the tracks on this album. Anyone know if KW had any imagery that influenced the tracks? Certain tracks on KW 1&2 remind me of parts of the film soundtrack to Kubrick's 2001 in a way. I've always thought that KW albums are like films without pictures that you can listen to from start to finish and feel as if you've been on a strange but fantastic journey, of sorts... I've been a Kraftwerk fan for as long as I can remember and their music is almost timeless, probably because there has never been anything to compare with it. For a long time the earliest KW album I owned was Trans Europe Express and I thought of them as a purely techno style band. It wasn't unit my ears had matured, maybe, that I recently bought all the early albums: KW 1&2, R&F, Radioactivity, Autobahn. I didn't know what I was missing and these opened my ears to a whole new side of KW I had no idea existed and could clearly see the progression of their musical style, and themes, to how the band are in the 21st century. It's tragic, but no-one could ever take the place of this unique band. -- Chris K Jackman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GROOVER GAS" Subject: (kw) When begin with KW Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:22:39 -0000 The firat time I listened KW was in 1978, when , a Shoe Maker here in Brazil, using "Hall of Mirrors " in their TV commercial , ofering the show called "STARSAX, the shoe of a new generation !!" Is unforgetable !!! and The TECHNOS SKYDIVER WATCH, on TV used Home Computer in theier TV commercial !!! Good Times... And the educationa TV of Brazil used a lot of KW music in theier "jingles" about technology, space voyages and future promises !!! Cheers Sintetik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) What we are listening to... Date: 13 Jun 2001 10:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Shaun asked: >What's everybody listening to recently? Okay, you asked for it...I'm gonna go through my CD collection. I have a broad sense of music styles that I like. So, they might not be all Electronica :/ I like mostly Canadian artists (even though I'm American...). So don't worry if you haven't heard most of them. Here it is: (BTW, there is no point to this, Im just extremely bored.) Kraftwerk: Autobahn Radioactivity Trans-Europe Express The Man Machine Computer World Tour de France ('99 single) Electric Cafe The Mix Rammstein: Live Aus Berlin Mutter Prozzak: Hot Show Saturday People Tears For Fears: The Hurting Songs From The Big Chair Seeds Of Love Our Lady Peace: Clumsy Happiness Spiritual Machines Daft Punk: Homework Discovery Moby: Play South Side (Single) Depeche Mode: 101 Nelly Furtado: Whoa Nelly Robby Williams: The Ego Has Landed The Offspring: Americana Korn: Follow the Leader R.E.M.: Out of Time Eiffel 65: Europop Barenaked Ladies: Stunt Bee Gees: The Very Best Of... Andy Gibb: Andy Gibb Hall and Oates: Rock n' Soul Part 1 Beach Boys: Greatest Hits 20 Good Vibrations The Monkees: Greatest Hits Neil Diamond: Hot August Night II Super Hits of the 70's: Vol. 14 Only Rock n' Roll: Vol. 1985-1989 Grease: Soundtrack Dirty Dancing: Soundtrack == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 13 Jun 2001 19:04:15 +0100 Hi again Yeah, I am currently enjoying a lot of good stuff that often varies from the Kraftwerk electronic form: ORBITAL - THE ALTOGETHER (Saw them live in Bristol last month, absolutely astounding experience, good album, the way that "Tension" merges into "Funny Break" is superb). ORB - CYDONIA ("unique" doesn't go far enough to describe this band who I also saw live in Bristol a couple of months ago). ANTHONY ROTHER - SIMULATIONSZEITALTER (Not as good as certain members of this list make out - lack of variation and too many tracks start with a similar beat, "Biomechanik" is too long and there is an overall sense of Kraftwerk cliche, Kraftwerk can do better than this by far). GARY NUMAN - PURE (Has nothing to do with his past Kraftwerk influences, instead very Gothic, and frankly, it rocks). PAUL VAN DYK - OUT THERE AND BACK (Outstanding electronic dance music). OK, so not all of these albums are entirely new but they have certainly kept my attention, even Rother's because I keep thinking what he is trying to achieve with that album..... Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:17:08 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Robert Evans wrote: > ORBITAL - THE ALTOGETHER (Saw them live in Bristol last month, absolutely > astounding experience, good album, the way that "Tension" merges into "Funny > Break" is superb). > > ORB - CYDONIA ("unique" doesn't go far enough to describe this band who I > also saw live in Bristol a couple of months ago). What a coincidence. I just bought those two one day last week. Not bad. I really like Tension, and of course the Dr. Who theme on the same album. As for what else is on my turntable these days - nothing special. Having pretty much exhausted the available Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Orbital, Art of Noise, Hardfloor and such, I've just been experimenting with unknowns and compilations. There's no particular group that I'm pursuing these days. I guess the only focus I have right now is keeping an eye out for disks on the Harthouse label. Pretty much guaranteed to be listenable. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) History Date: 13 Jun 2001 21:33:18 -0400 >>From: volvo1971@att.net >> Thank goodness for this list=20 >>or else I would never have known about Expo 2000. >> >>Mike F Hello Kraftwerkers!!!!! :-)=20 Same here... I would have never heard of "Expo 2000" or "Tour De = France"!!! :-( I am glad this Kraftwerk forum exists!!!! :-) I've meet = some really kool people on this list... good friends in fact like Xelius = (Hi!) and the one of kind Oh Jay... Robot and the rest of U!!! :-)=20 I first heard Kraftwerk back in 78" when a friend of my brothers brought = over "The Man Machine"... at the time I was into music like Kiss = (YUCK!!! *LOL*) however... all that changed when I heard "The Robots"!! = My first impression was.... WHAT the hell is this?!?!? I love it!!! = *LOL* Needless to say I liked it so much he gave me the album!!! = Unfortunately a flood took that out!!! :'-( I've been listening to = them ever since... ^_^ Which brings me to the next comment.... If Kraftwerk wants to sound a = bit like their older suff does it really matter?!?!? IMO I really like = "Expo 2000"!!! I think Kraftwerks music all sounds timeless!! I mean = there are groups that have been around for a long time and some of them = have newer music with a touch of the older sounds/style ... I think = Kraftwerk has earned their title in history all ready as one of the = founding fathers of electronic music!!!! :-) Maybe they can have the = songs we have all heard live (for me boot leg cd's) and some newer = invative music...... the more the better!!!! :-) I know we have heard = promises of new material before like that statment from Florian on an = interview in Brazil back in the very late 90's when he was asked if = there would be a new album he said "YES"! Ok.. now we've been waiting = years for this to become a reality!!!!! I just hope they don't scrap = they have now!!!=20 Cheers, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) What we are listening to... Date: 13 Jun 2001 21:42:37 -0400 >>Shaun asked:=20 >What's everybody listening to recently?=20 Honestly... I'm still listening to Kraftwerk's timeless classics and = ...... *ROTFLOL* I actually listen to my own music a lot!!! ;-) I also = listen to music from other MP3.com artists.... There is some really kool = music there but a lot of it's hard to find!! *LOL*=20 Electronically, ;-] Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: RE: (kw) What we are listening to... Date: 13 Jun 2001 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Yes there are some very good stuff on Mp3.com... IVE SAID TOOOO MUCH!!! *runs* ------- This message is in reply to: >>I also listen to = >>music from other MP3.com artists.... There is some >>really kool music there but a lot of it's hard to >>find!! *LOL*=20 == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alun Jenkins" Subject: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 14 Jun 2001 08:13:19 +0100 Im enjoying Rewind Hexstatatic ! Machine toy with its speak and spell = seems very KW to Me A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV Date: 14 Jun 2001 09:53:52 +0200 Senor Coconut will (probably) be guest at the next "Electronic Beats"-Show on VIVA ZWEI next Friday, 8:00pm (Sat. 3:00pm) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:17:22 +0100 Didn't know he was still producing music to be honest. I work for a print and design company and in the studio we have photo library catalogues, one of which has the name John Foxx and I'm told that it's the same guy. Seems that he turned to photography at some point and now hires out his images for print work! Shaun yeah , john's "stuff" is really *kewl* & if u like the "metamatic" album , then check out his newer "stuff" like the "shifting city" album with louis gordon from 1997 on his own metamatic label !!! ;-) also highly recommended is his latest compilation-album , called "modern art" !!! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:53:08 +0100 I have a few Harthouse/Eye Q compilations plus all the Hardfloor albums, Sven Vath stuff (Accident In Paradise is one of my all time favourites) The Hardfloor albums never sound dated to me although the early Harthouse compilations don't crank my handle in the way that they used to with the exception of the Spicelab tracks, (I love Oliver Lieb's work.) I haven't bought anything on that label lately, apart from a Freddie Fresh record. What can you recommend I look out for? Banco de Gaia is also one of my favourites. Shaun As for what else is on my turntable these days - nothing special. Having pretty much exhausted the available Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, Orbital, Art of Noise, Hardfloor and such, I've just been experimenting with unknowns and compilations. There's no particular group that I'm pursuing these days. I guess the only focus I have right now is keeping an eye out for disks on the Harthouse label. Pretty much guaranteed to be listenable. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) John Foxx Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:54:21 +0100 Shaun Vaughan wrote: > > Didn't know he was still producing music to be honest. If ever does another live tour, see him. I caught the 'Exotour' here in Birmingham a few years ago, and he and his collaborator Louis Gordon put on a great show, small scale but with very effective use of lasers... One of the very best gigs I've been to (despite the PA being so loud it distorted). FWIW, I spotted Gary Numan in the (generally unaccessible) balcony, dancing like a... well, like he does! > I work for a print > and design company and in the studio we have photo library catalogues, one > of which has the name John Foxx and I'm told that it's the same guy. Seems > that he turned to photography at some point and now hires out his images for > print work! I don't know for sure, but I would be very surprised if that were true, for three reasons: John Foxx Images is based in the Netherlands; no site I've seen makes the connection; JF's photographic and design work has always (AFAIK) appeared under his real name, Dennis Leigh. Fans of 'Metamatic' and other post-Kraftwerk music should, IMO, buy 'Little Hopes/Observer' by Red Martian. Hear the single at http://anonradio.sevcom.com/e/ (Real Audio, go to tracks 18 and 19). The web site for this strange band (electronic sometimes, post-punk sometimes!) is http://redmartian.com/ K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) new release ? bah !! Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:27:54 -0300 I have folloied the comments on so waited new disk of the KRAFTWERK and consider the following one: As fan of the band it has 20 years more than, I got used with the idea of launchings to each 5 years or more... I never was in the expectation of an album to each year, therefore who likes KRAFTWERK exactly knows it that the group alone presents a new workmanship when really possesss a new sound to show. It is well better that the band is many years without launching nothing of that to have only the contractual obligation to launch a disk, for imposition of the recorder. While this, I continue hearing with the same pleasure of always clássics like Autobahn, TEE, Radioactivity... With this brilliant repertoire, until I doubt a little that the KRAFTWERK has capacity stops in surprising them again... Boing !! Boom Tschak !! Eduardo Monteiro from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 14 Jun 2001 17:34:59 +0100 That's a funny thing, because I've heard a few people say the same about Kraftwerk. Can't say I find his songs depressing, though they do conjure up some stark, surreal images. Shaun Depends. It's very cold and depressive music. I like it now, but it wasn't the case at first listen. Also, dug out my old copy of Metamatic by John Foxx (1980. Virgin Records) If you like Kraftwerk, I'd be amazed if you didnt like this. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Wolfgang the Smoker? Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) I noticed Wolfgang was smoking a cigarette in the 'Trans-Europa Express' video... Is/Was he a smoker, or was it just a casual smoke? == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "eduardo monteiro" Subject: (kw) new new new.... ahhhhhhh! Date: 14 Jun 2001 15:28:38 -0300 I have following the comments on so waited new disk of the KRAFTWERK and consider the following one: As fan of the band it has 20 years more than, I got used with the idea of launchings to each 5 years or more... I never was in the expectation of an album to each year, therefore who likes KRAFTWERK exactly knows it that the group alone presents a new workmanship when really possess a new sound to show. It is well better that the band is many years without launching nothing of that to have only the contractual obligation to launch a disk, for imposition of the recorder. While this, I continue hearing with the same pleasure of always clássics like Autobahn, TEE, Radioactivity... With this brilliant set list, until I doubt a little that the KRAFTWERK has capacity in surprising them again... Boing !! Boom Tschak !! Eduardo Monteiro from BRAZIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang the Smoker? Date: 14 Jun 2001 15:34:14 -0400 > I noticed Wolfgang was smoking a cigarette in the 'Trans->Europa Express' video... Is/Was he a smoker, or was it >just a casual smoke? One thing you have to remember is that was the 70's! Some producers would put a ciggerette in ones hand just to "look kool".... or he is a smoker..... another thing you have to remember is that lots of artists smoke.... I'm not saying all but a lot. Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: RE: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:49:25 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Shaun Vaughan wrote: > I have a few Harthouse/Eye Q compilations plus all the Hardfloor albums, > Sven Vath stuff (Accident In Paradise is one of my all time favourites) The API is indeed a pretty good SV album. I preter Harlequin, Robot and Ballet Dancer myself. > Hardfloor albums never sound dated to me although the early Harthouse > compilations don't crank my handle in the way that they used to with the > exception of the Spicelab tracks, (I love Oliver Lieb's work.) I haven't Yeah, Spicelab is great. > bought anything on that label lately, apart from a Freddie Fresh record. > What can you recommend I look out for? Banco de Gaia is also one of my > favourites. I'm not at my collection right now, but I recently picked up Harthouse: Six Flags and Braincell: Man of Many Theories. They're pretty good but not spectacular. The compilation Harthouse: Dark Hearts vol. 1 is good, but vol.2 I didn't like so much. I'm searching for the first Harthouse compilation right now, but it's long out of print and I don't think many copies were made. The early stuff has some of my favorite music on. :( -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) new release ? bah !! Date: 14 Jun 2001 14:02:53 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, eduardo monteiro wrote: > got used with the idea of launchings to each 5 years or more... I never was > in the expectation of an album to each year, therefore who likes KRAFTWERK > exactly knows it that the group alone presents a new workmanship when really > possesss a new sound to show. It is well better that the band is many years > without launching nothing of that to have only the contractual obligation to > launch a disk, for imposition of the recorder. While this, I continue I have to agree. I didn't even know The Mix was coming until I heard it announced on the radio, and it was already in stores by that time. While a new album would be exciting, it's up to R&F when and if they want to do it. I'm really glad they at least make the appearance of trying to put effort into each piece of music instead of just cranking them out quickly. It lets us diehard fans believe we're getting quality goods when it finally arrives. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang the Smoker? Date: 14 Jun 2001 18:20:16 -0700 (PDT) >>One thing you have to remember is that was the 70's! Some producers would put a ciggerette in ones hand just to "look kool". Yes, this is what I'm unsure about though. He has it up to him and inhales, but I don't notice any smoke... It could just be the crappy Real Player, or the smoke blending in with the black/white footage, or it was just a hoax. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) Wolfgang the Smoker? Date: 15 Jun 2001 00:28:52 -0400 > I noticed Wolfgang was smoking a cigarette in the 'Trans-Europa Express' > video... Wolfgang was a relatively longtime smoker who eventually gave it up in the late 70s, I believe. It's in his book somewhere. -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: RE: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 15 Jun 2001 00:35:47 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Shaun Vaughan wrote: > What can you recommend I look out for? I forgot to mention one of my favorite Harthouse compilations: Axis of Vision. It's a double CD containing what for me are some definitive ambient sounds and also some of the best stuff on Harthouse. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) Other music Date: 15 Jun 2001 09:44:07 +0100 I'm searching for the first Harthouse compilation right now, but it's long out of print and I don't think many copies were made. The early stuff has some of my favorite music on. :( I preter Harlequin, Robot and Ballet Dancer myself. I was a bit disappointed with Harlequin, I found it all a bit pompous and self-indulgent. I frown when an artist achieves a degree of success, disappears up their own backside and decides that they're going to be the next Wagner/Beethoven, i.e. Cosmic Baby, ATB. I have the first 2 Harthouse compilations on CD, also the Eye Q complilations, 'Behind the Eye' VOL 1 + 2 which has some quality trance tunes. If you can't locate them and if you don't have any qualms about copying, I am quite happy do you some CD-R's. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Other music Date: 15 Jun 2001 15:27:20 +0200 Shaun Vaughan wrote : > I have the first 2 Harthouse compilations on CD, also the Eye Q > complilations, 'Behind the Eye' VOL 1 + 2 which has some quality trance > tunes. If you can't locate them and if you don't have any qualms about > copying, I am quite happy do you some CD-R's. well ... same here , but i suppose that soleil jus' wants the originals ... & not only a copy on cd-r , which i can quite understand !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Other music Date: 15 Jun 2001 15:17:26 +0100 jus'...u know, trying to help a fellow Kraftwerker......that's all. Cos' that's the kind of guy I am. Didnt mean any offence nor nothing....... well ... same here , but i suppose that soleil jus' wants the originals ... & not only a copy on cd-r , which i can quite understand !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Date: 15 Jun 2001 18:35:35 -0000 " However, my mind goes a bit off on a tangent and the best way I can describe what continues in the intro of Vom Himmel are ducks (maybe cyborg/robotic ducks...) duelling on motorbikes and riding about at great speed. I know it's crazy, but who's to say..." I read somewhere that R+F admired the music of Charles Mingus and the abstract middle part of Von Himmel Hoch is sort of a conversation between the instruments, perhaps influenced the 'conversational' duets Mingus played with bass clarinet player Eric Dolphy in the early 1960s. Just a thought... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Other music Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:23:40 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Shaun Vaughan wrote: >> I preter Harlequin, Robot and Ballet Dancer myself. > > I was a bit disappointed with Harlequin, I found it all a bit pompous and > self-indulgent. I frown when an artist achieves a degree of success, > disappears up their own backside and decides that they're going to be the > next Wagner/Beethoven, i.e. Cosmic Baby, ATB. I like Cosmic Baby too. I never pair enough attention to the antics of either one to notice any self-indulgence though. > I have the first 2 Harthouse compilations on CD, also the Eye Q > complilations, 'Behind the Eye' VOL 1 + 2 which has some quality trance > tunes. If you can't locate them and if you don't have any qualms about > copying, I am quite happy do you some CD-R's. Thanks for the offer. But in this case I already have the tracks on tape. I'm looking to own the actual album. I've sometimes toyed with the idea of collecting everything on the Harthouse label, but that might prove harder than finding all the Kraftwerk albums. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV Date: 15 Jun 2001 22:08:59 +0200 Gunnar Wess wrote: > > Senor Coconut will (probably) be guest at the next "Electronic > Beats"-Show on VIVA ZWEI next Friday, 8:00pm (Sat. 3:00pm) I can certainly tell you, that Senor Coconut IS guest at "Electronic Beats". And now please read carefully (especially the people who can receive VIVA ZWEI). The show will be broadcasted again tomorrow, Sat.16th, 3.00pm. If you have time, I warmly recommend you to watch it. The interview with Senor Coconut is frequently interrupted by a "video". Two men can be seen there. There is "Ché Ill-Yun Gevara" interviewing a guy called "Don Schneider" with white hat, dark glasses and pretending to smoke a big cigar. And... I'm quite sure, but I almost don't dare to believe it. After you have seen it and have taken a carefull look on "Don Schneider" and have listened to his voice, please give me a feedback and tell me: Wem sieht dieser Mann ähnlich? Who does this man look like? Especially listen/read, what are they two are talking about (it sounds like, if they are speaking spanish, but it's undertitled in German) Regards Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) RE: No New Album... Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:22:49 -0400 >>> I forgot to mention one of my favorite Harthouse compilations: "Axis of Vision." It's a double CD containing what for me are some definitive ambient sounds and also some of the best stuff on Harthouse. <<< I have the US pressing, on Whte Lbls/Onion/American Recording/Warner Bros. No ambient tracks, but excellent, if you'd like to trade a MiniDisc copy. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV Date: 16 Jun 2001 01:45:50 +0200 Especially mind the "NACHTRAG" at the end of the show! Gunnar Gunnar Wess wrote: > > Gunnar Wess wrote: > > > > Senor Coconut will (probably) be guest at the next "Electronic > > Beats"-Show on VIVA ZWEI next Friday, 8:00pm (Sat. 3:00pm) > > I can certainly tell you, that Senor Coconut IS guest at "Electronic > Beats". And now please read carefully (especially the people who can > receive VIVA ZWEI). The show will be broadcasted again tomorrow, > Sat.16th, 3.00pm. If you have time, I warmly recommend you to watch it. > The interview with Senor Coconut is frequently interrupted by a "video". > Two men can be seen there. There is "Ché Ill-Yun Gevara" interviewing > a guy called "Don Schneider" with white hat, dark glasses and pretending > to smoke a big cigar. And... I'm quite sure, but I almost don't dare to > believe it. After you have seen it and have taken a carefull look on > "Don Schneider" and have listened to his voice, please give me a > feedback and tell me: Wem sieht dieser Mann ähnlich? Who does this man > look like? Especially listen/read, what are they two are talking about > (it sounds like, if they are speaking spanish, but it's undertitled in > German) > > Regards > Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) Madonna Date: 16 Jun 2001 01:58:59 +0200 Hi ! I've just turned back from the concert of Madonna here in Milan. It has been very nice ( and expensive: 220.000 ITL ! ! ! ). The last song, Music, started with the original intro of Trans Europe Express ! ! ! Nice! Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frank X. Cordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Madonna Date: 16 Jun 2001 00:59:37 Didi writes: I've just returned back from the concert of Madonna here in Milan. It has been very nice ( and expensive: 220.000 ITL ! ! ! ). The last song, Music, started with the original intro of Trans Europe Express ! ! ! Nice! But of course! I shared my observation on the KW mailing list a few months ago....."Music" by Madonna used the "Morse code stacatto stabs" and the grand/ominous dark intro (always reminds me of climbing stairs) from TEE. THE KRAFTWERK INFLUENCE CONTINUES..... http://djfrankx.tripod.com Kraftwerk vs. Madonna "Music Makes The People, Non-Stop! DJ VOCODER _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV Date: 16 Jun 2001 22:37:13 EDT --part1_122.67a179.285d71d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you try to get pictures of this or a video clip if you can? --part1_122.67a179.285d71d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you try to get pictures of this or a video clip if you can? --part1_122.67a179.285d71d9_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) KW/Beethoven Date: 17 Jun 2001 04:41:38 -0000 A spontaneous email at 5:40am... The Beethoven intro on KW's Tokyo 1981 (on the Virtua Ex Machina bootleg), is that actually performed by KW temselves? It's just that I heard it, exactly the same rendition, on BBC News 24 just now! 5:35am, 'A fistful of Euros' regarding millions going from Europe to South America and not being accounted for. The story of things to come... Also, what Beethoven composition is the KW intro? It's a nice, jolly piece and if I can get a classical CD with the full song I'd be glad. I've been told it's Ode To Joy but I'm not so sure... Matt _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skinny Hastrup" Subject: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:41:51 +0200 Hi Just gotta say this: If there's any kw song (or ANY other song!!!) you can't find the = ordinary way, take a click into this place, download the little client = and run it. Go back to the web page and type: kraftwerk [the song you = are looking for] and hit enter. Nothing like napster, it's all here, = waiting! http://www.audiogalaxy.com/ it's a fantastic place in space! Skinny READY ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) KW/Beethoven Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:09:10 +0200 Good morning, Matthew Dean wrote: > > A spontaneous email at 5:40am... The Beethoven intro on KW's Tokyo 1981 > (on the Virtua Ex Machina bootleg), is that actually performed by KW > temselves? No, it's from the synthi-pioneer Wendy (former Walter) Carlos playing the Big Moog. This excerpt you mean is actually from the soundtrack of Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange". Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: "don schneider" = florian s. from d. in g. !!! *G+* ;-) ( was Re: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV ;-) Date: 17 Jun 2001 14:00:51 +0200 hi kwf's ! 1st of all : thanx a whole lot for all the info , "mr. stromschläger" ( a.k.a. gunnar w. ;-) !!! it was well appreciated !!! *BWG* ;-))) yeah , "don schneider" is still the most funny person in kw & his great sense of humor is indeed very hilarious !!! *XLG* ;-))) btw : mr. ill-young kim was also great & his idea for the plot was ... most "incredible" , but very well done !!! *hehehe* ;-))) fyi : my "special agent" told me that "don schneider" visited senor coconut's concert in cologne last month & that he has talked to mr. kim for some time durin' the concert !!! *sly_grin* ;-) so i suppose that was the time the idea was "born" & maybe afterwards they've been out for a few drinks to the "liquid sky" club in cologne to "check out" some new & excitin' grooves !!! *VBG* ;-))) p. s. : "don schneider" would've been a great comedian ... IMHO_!!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: "don schneider" = florian s. from d. in g. !!! *G+* ;-) ( was Re: (kw) Senor Coconut on TV ;-) Date: 17 Jun 2001 15:47:49 +0200 Oh Jay wrote: > > hi kwf's ! > > 1st of all : thanx a whole lot for all the info , "mr. stromschläger" ( > a.k.a. gunnar w. ;-) !!! > it was well appreciated !!! *BWG* ;-))) No problem ;-) > p. s. : "don schneider" would've been a great comedian ... IMHO_!!! *LOL* > ;-))) I believe, it's the beginning of a fabulous second career. Now we are curious how far Senor Rafaelo Huttera will be involved ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) ZDFs aspekte-video? Date: 17 Jun 2001 14:27:14 According to Flürs book R,F & W made a TVperformance on a german programme called Aspekte in oktober 1973. Has anyone of you seen it and does anyone got it on video? Did they only play Tanzmusik or did they performe anything else? /Andréas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) ZDFs aspekte-video? Date: 17 Jun 2001 18:01:51 +0200 To get a copy of this video, might be quite difficult. But in the interview with Wolfgang at Aspekte last year some brief excerpts of the performance can be seen. Gunnar Andréas Hagström schrieb: > > According to Flürs book R,F & W made a TVperformance on a german programme > called Aspekte in oktober 1973. Has anyone of you seen it and does anyone > got it on video? Did they only play Tanzmusik or did they performe anything > else? > /Andréas -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Dont download that Audio Galaxy thing! It has Webhancer (Spyware) on it. (Traces your internet stats, and downloads system-altering files without you knowing it). Anyway, its hell to get rid of it because you think its gone, but its still there, and if improperly uninstall it, you could lose your internet connection :O It doesn't have as much as that FTP does, I couldn't find that much in the ways of Kraftwerk, plus its Browser-based (laggy). If you want a good Napster alternative, download WinMX, it has no spyware, and runs on multiple servers like Napster, Gnutella, etc. Its quick and efficent. http://www.WinMX.com == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) The GOOD things Kraftwerk never did! Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Just imagine if Kraftwerk followed-through on doing a song with Michael Jackson.... It could have ruined their careers! == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 13:17:42 -0400 >>From:Omega Chance >>Dont download that Audio Galaxy thing! It has Webhancer=20 >>(Spyware) on it. (Traces your internet stats, and downloads=20 >>system-altering files without you knowing it). Anyway, its hell=20 >>to get rid of it because you think its gone, but its still=20 >>there, and if improperly uninstall it, you could lose your=20 >>internet connection :O [.....] There is a program for getting ride of known spyware and it can be found = @ www.lavasoftoftUSA.com . The program is called Ad-Aware. It correctly = kills the spying agent but some programs will quit werking after you run = ad-aware. Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: RE: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 17 Jun 2001 19:22:03 +0200 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:34:59 +0100, Shaun Vaughan wrote: > >That's a funny thing, because I've heard a few people say the same about >Kraftwerk. Can't say I find his songs depressing, though they do conjure up >some stark, surreal images. No, I don't think KW is depressing at all, maybe the two first albums. I can't figure any KW song that would be make me feel sad or similar. Well, thinking of it, Maybe Mitternacht produces a strange feeling on me, I think this is the only one. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) Radioacticity golden disc on Ebay! Date: 17 Jun 2001 19:41:43 +0200 Hello Werkers, Look what's on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439012254 Isn't that a joke? I always thought that only the Bandmembers have these things... or does Karl need some money? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: audiogalaxy suxxx , try winmx instead !!! ;-) ( was Re: (kw) if there's anything you need ;-) Date: 17 Jun 2001 19:47:16 +0200 Omega Chance wrote : > Dont download that Audio Galaxy thing! DAMN_RIGHT_!!! > It has Webhancer (Spyware) on it. *ARGH* !!! >:-O > (Traces your internet stats, and downloads system-altering files without you knowing it). Anyway, its hell to get rid of it because you think its gone, but its still there, and if improperly uninstall it, you could lose your internet connection :O It doesn't have as much as that FTP does, I couldn't find that much in the ways of Kraftwerk, plus its Browser-based (laggy). < not only this , but it's also hazardous to the kernel32.dll , if u run a 32-bit windows 98 system !!! *grim* :-/ it crashes your whole system , when u try to reboot it after this crappy satellite tool for audiogalaxy is installed !!! *most_grim* :-/ well ... maybe it's okay for mac & linux users , but it's pretty dangerous for windows users !!! *sigh* :-o > If you want a good Napster alternative, download WinMX, it has no spyware, and runs on multiple servers like Napster, Gnutella, etc. Its quick and efficent. < yep , i can only second that , because i run winmx too & it's muuuch better than this pretty shitty satellite tool that u need to run audiogalaxy !!! ;-) > http://www.WinMX.com get it & be happy !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 19:50:58 +0200 true, I found many tracks by Michael Rother there. I'm interested in anything related to KW . Now, I can say that I think I like his music. I will try to find CD albums if available. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:55:45 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Omega Chance wrote: > Dont download that Audio Galaxy thing! It has Webhancer (Spyware) on > it. (Traces your internet stats, and downloads system-altering files > without you knowing it). Anyway, its hell to get rid of it because > you think its gone, but its still there, and if improperly uninstall > it, you could lose your internet connection :O It doesn't have as much > as that FTP does, I couldn't find that much in the ways of Kraftwerk, > plus its Browser-based (laggy). Spyware is easy to get rid of. Use Lavasoft Ad-Aware. It's free: http://www.lavasoft.de/ Of course, some software that includes spyware will refuse to work if it detects that the spyware has been captured. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) No New Album.... Date: 17 Jun 2001 20:00:06 +0200 Arnaud de Bonald wrote : > Well, thinking of it, > Maybe Mitternacht produces a strange feeling on me, > I think this is the only one. *hehehe* ;-))) well ... it's also the only song , which was recorded by kw after their third album "ralf & florian" that withstands any of my "categorizations" , do u remember ??? *BWG* ;-))) "mitternacht" was the only "song" ( btw : i would say "soundtrack" ...anyway ;-) that doesn't seem to fit in any other of the knowin' kw schemes , maybe because it's jus' "scary" ... somehow !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) Radioacticity golden disc on Ebay! Date: 17 Jun 2001 21:19:02 +0100 Here's the same in English for us monoglots http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439012254 Hello Werkers, Look what's on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439012254 Isn't that a joke? I always thought that only the Bandmembers have these things... or does Karl need some money? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) TIME on AIR Date: 17 Jun 2001 23:36:59 +0200 "In 60 minutes of multifaceted music, it sparkles with unlikely references: Pink Floyd, cult sci-fi novelist Philip K. Dick, Eric Satie, White Album-era Beatles, German electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk and the Beach Boys are all in there somewhere." (TIME Europe, June 18, p. 76, on Air's "10,000 Hz Legend") Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) the spyware's own website says using Ad-Aware will improperly uninstall the spyware, and even cause internet connection and crucial system malfunctions. So...HA! >:-O >Spyware is easy to get rid of. Use Lavasoft Ad-Aware. It's free: > >http://www.lavasoft.de/ > >Of course, some software that includes spyware will refuse to work if it >detects that the spyware has been captured. :) == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 17 Jun 2001 22:14:49 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Omega Chance wrote: > the spyware's own website says using Ad-Aware will improperly > uninstall the spyware, and even cause internet connection and crucial > system malfunctions. So...HA! >:-O I'm going to believe someone who gives me a free tool to protect my privacy before I'll believe the claims of someone who wants to spy on me, thanks. I've used Ad-Aware many times so far with no ill effects. One program that came with spyware ceased working after, but so much the better. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) TIME on AIR Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:11:33 +0200 The cover of the new Air-Maxi "Radio #1" looks also quite k-werkish to me (kinda regards from Emil Schult ;-) Gunnar Jan Reetze wrote: > > "In 60 minutes of multifaceted music, it sparkles with unlikely references: > Pink Floyd, cult sci-fi novelist Philip K. Dick, Eric Satie, White Album-era > Beatles, German electronic music pioneers Kraftwerk and the Beach Boys are > all in there somewhere." > > (TIME Europe, June 18, p. 76, on Air's "10,000 Hz Legend") > > > Jan ^^^v^^^ -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) F1-MAN-MACHINES Date: 18 Jun 2001 11:11:04 +0200 Hello list, I'm going to see the formula 1 race at N=FCrburgring (Germany), and I wonder if R&F ever=20= has shown any interest in this=20= ULTIMATE MAN-MACHINE - AUTOBAHN,=20= I know bicycles are considered to be the=20= man-machine according to SOME but=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2Ecan I expect to meet any of the guys there you=20= think, I wold like to meet them again=2E=2E=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Believe me, I tried it myself, and lost internet connection. So, from personal experience, I'd also know. >What, and you're going to believe someone who would put such software of >your system? :) == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: Re: (kw) if there's anything you need Date: 18 Jun 2001 23:44:01 +0200 (CEST) I use both AudioGalaxy, WinMX, Bearshare (Gnutella client) and Napster... Regarding spyware, some of my games are even worse than WebHancer.. Anyway, it might be a good idea to try Ad-Aware. I got some 24 different progs when I tried it. Oh, and if someone has a stable place where I can get a hold of either the Tribal Gathering concert or the Roskilde '98 koncert as mp3, I'd be grateful. KD Larsen ______________________________________________________ Går mail for langsomt for dig? Så prøv Yahoo! Messenger - her kan du i løbet af få sekunder udveksle beskeder med de venner, der er online. Messenger finder du på adressen: http://dk.messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) 12" telephone call Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:15:11 +0200 hello everybody will trade telephone anruf 12" version (mp3) for the same English language version (mint sound condition) inquire in private at tadream@go2.pl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: audiogalaxy suxxx , try winmx instead !!! ;-) ( was Re: (kw) if there's anything you need ;-) Date: 21 Jun 2001 12:54:34 +0200 Don't have any problem with Audiogalaxy, + most of the files I downloaded from it were complete I like their queu feature. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Shilcock" Subject: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:39:54 +0100 Right, let's get this straight. I've been a fan of Kraftwerk for ages now (since 1978ish) and for all that time I've been meaning to ask some one who knows the answer to a particular question. I keep feeling that I should already know the response, but alas I don't. Okay.. to the point.. In 1977 Donna Summer released a single entitled "I Feel Love". I you've not heard it then you should as I feel that most people on this list would appreciate it. Anyway I can't help but hear a striking resemblance to Kraftwerks 1978 Metropolis". The beginning of "I Feel Love" is so similar to "Metropolis" (especially just after the slow beginning 'fanfare') that it can't be coincidence? Can it? So.. is there a link between the 2 tracks? Were Kraftwerk inspired to produce "Metropolis" after hearing "I feel Love"? Was there someone who was on both production teams? Thanks in advance Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 21 Jun 2001 16:47:02 -0700 John Shilcock wrote: > Right, let's get this straight. I've been a fan of Kraftwerk for ages > now (since 1978ish) and for all that time I've been meaning to ask some > one who knows the answer to a particular question. I keep feeling that > I should already know the response, but alas I don't. Right about the same time I've discovered them too! Anyway, talking about getting things straight, I want to bring another -related- topic to the table (just to throw some more fuel to the fire) I have to say that I've always found striking similarities between 1977 Giorgio Moroder's masterpiece "From Here To Eternity" and the trancey-feel-good mood of 1981's Kraftwerk "Computer World". Call me crazy, but that's how I feel about it. I'd be really amazed if a Kraftwerk fan doesn't like "FHTE". Give it a try and you'll get hooked. I've been listening to it ever since it came out on 1977, and every time is like the first time. > Okay.. to the point.. In 1977 Donna Summer released a single entitled > "I Feel Love". I you've not heard it then you should as I feel that most > people on this list would appreciate it. Definitely. "I Feel Love" is one of my favorites songs of all time. I recall when David Bowie told a VH1 reporter: "You know? I remember when Brian (Eno) came to my place extremely excited about this record (IFL) and he yelled: David, this is it! This is the future of music", or something along those lines, then he laughed thinking that if Brian heard him telling that anecdote, he'd probably kill him :-) > Anyway I can't help but hear a striking resemblance to Kraftwerks > 1978 Metropolis". The beginning of "I Feel Love" > is so similar to "Metropolis" (especially just after the slow beginning > 'fanfare') that it can't be coincidence? Can it? I don't think is a coincidence. Back then, it was almost impossible not to get possessed by the captivating sensuality of "I feel love", unless you lived in a bubble, and we know KW didn't, in fact, they used to go out to the clubs quite frequently. > So.. is there a link between the 2 tracks? Were Kraftwerk inspired to > produce "Metropolis" after hearing "I feel Love"? > Was there someone who was on both production teams? I doubt they were any connections between both production teams. The only people that I remember behind Donna's tremendous hit, were Pete Bellote and Giorgio Moroder, and AFAIK, they only thing they had in common with KW was that they both lived in Germany. Come to think of it, it's almost funny how we mention all of these people and how they are somehow connected with their works... Check it out: 1977 Summer / Moroder released "I Feel Love" 1978 Kraftwerk released "Metropolis" 1984 Moroder scores a soundtrack, and directs a re-edited version of the Fritz Lang's 1926 classic "Metropolis". Spooky isn't? Enrique np: Monolake "Gravity" (Monolake tunes are repetitive and extremely delicious, try "Occam" from Hong Kong, I'll guarantee you that'll leave you wanting for more). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 22 Jun 2001 08:52:49 -0700 I wrote: > /.../ I have to say that I've always found striking similarities > between 1977 Giorgio Moroder's masterpiece "From Here To Eternity" > and the trancey-feel-good mood of 1981's Kraftwerk "Computer World". Forgot to mention that even in 1978's "The Man Machine" one can find some traces of "FHTE". I couldn't resist myself this morning, and for the drive to work, I picked (along with autechre's tri repitae++) "FHTE" once again! Last night I read on Wolfgang's book that back in the late seventies, they were (or at least he was) into listening James Brown, The Isley Brothers, Beach Boys and Earth Wind & Fire. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Gary Kemp favourites Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:06:54 +0200 In today's M-80 Radio Broadcast afternoon programme Gary Kemp from Spandau Ballet has chosen his three all-time favourite songs, among them it was Kraftwerk's "The Model". DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:46:19 +0200 > Okay.. to the point.. In 1977 Donna Summer released a single entitled "I > Feel Love". I you've not heard it then you should as I feel that most people > on this list would appreciate it. Anyway I can't help but hear a striking > resemblance to Kraftwerks 1978 Metropolis". The beginning of "I Feel Love" > is so similar to "Metropolis" (especially just after the slow beginning > 'fanfare') that it can't be coincidence? Can it? I think anyone experimenting in a rudimentary way with an analogue sequencer would get a similar result in the end. > Was there someone who was > on both production teams? I can't imagine. > 1978 Kraftwerk released "Metropolis" > 1984 Moroder scores a soundtrack, and directs a re-edited version of the > Fritz Lang's 1926 classic "Metropolis". > Spooky isn't? The Moroder soundtrack is complete and utter crap which does not in any way do justice to the film. I'd rather watch the film as a silent movie without any accompanying music than listen to this botchwork. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Swordfish Date: 22 Jun 2001 09:53:12 -0700 Werkers, I can't remember if this has been posted here yet or not. On Travolta's new movie: Swordfish, there's a song on the soundtrack, that you will find familiar. It's a remixed version of Bambaataa's 'Planet Rock'. It sounds really cool, specially when you hear it seeing a geek (Hugh Jackman) getting a bj while hacking a computer with a gun pointing at his head in a trendy and exclusive LA club. Nice. Paul Oakenfold did this remix and the rest of the soundtrack. The movie is great, that's if you like action, cars being blown away and people being shot every other minute. Smooth music for a cool flick. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) La Modelo (was: Gary Kemp favourites) Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:05:34 -0700 DER AUTOMAT wrote: > In today's M-80 Radio Broadcast afternoon programme Gary Kemp > from Spandau Ballet has chosen his three all-time favourite songs, > among them it was Kraftwerk's "The Model" Not long ago, I've spotted a Spanish version on the net of "The Model", titled: "La Modelo". The very prolific DJ Dero from Argentina was the one responsible for this joyful sleek upbeat re-creation. Fire up your file sharing programs and get this otherwise hard to find song. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Roskilde 2001 & Senor Coconut Date: 22 Jun 2001 20:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Hey Fellow Werkers I just found out that Senor Coconut will be appearing at this years Roskilde Festival, where he will be closing Roskilde Festival (musically), by playing at 3.30 AM on the night between Sunday & Monday. Kaspar D.L. ______________________________________________________ Går mail for langsomt for dig? Så prøv Yahoo! Messenger - her kan du i løbet af få sekunder udveksle beskeder med de venner, der er online. Messenger finder du på adressen: http://dk.messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 22 Jun 2001 20:15:31 +0100 > Okay.. to the point.. In 1977 Donna Summer released a single entitled "I > Feel Love". I you've not heard it then you should as I feel that most people > on this list would appreciate it. Anyway I can't help but hear a striking > resemblance to Kraftwerks 1978 Metropolis". The beginning of "I Feel Love" > is so similar to "Metropolis" (especially just after the slow beginning > 'fanfare') that it can't be coincidence? Can it? I expect a new thread to the list in 2010 asking if Krafterk's TEE 2010 is somehow influenced by Madonna's track 'Music' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 23 Jun 2001 11:28:52 +0200 > > > I think anyone experimenting in a rudimentary way with an analogue sequencer > would get a similar result in the end. > I read in an interview that the sequence on "I Feel Love" was created with an old Roland Sequencer (Was it MC 8000?). The Sigue Sigue Sputnik single "Love Missile F1/11" and great parts of their whole album were also produced with it. I don´t know that Roland tool but it seems to have this very special kind of trancy spacey sequences and You can hear it on "FHTE", too. ´Someone there who knows more about this Roland machine ? At least I don´t think that Kraftwerk used it too, but, as it was mentioned before, KW used to go out at night a lot and might be influenced by the track (I Feel Love) at that times, when "Man Machine" was in progress. Stay tuned NUC2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 23 Jun 2001 20:48:13 +0200 > > I read in an interview that the sequence on "I Feel Love" was created with an > old > Roland Sequencer (Was it MC 8000?). You're probably talking about the MC 8 which was released in 1977. It was not an analogue sequencer, however, but a digital one with analog outputs - quite an achievement in its time and incredibly expensive if you consider today's software solutions. I don't know about the Donna Summer track, but I can't imagine Kraftwerk used a MC 8 for Metropolis, given the very simple sequence they created. A real analogue sequencer (probably the Synthanorma credited on the TEE album) would have been much more practical for this kind of sequence - the real time control features on the MC 8 were almost zero. I gathered some experience with the MC 8's successor, the MC 4, a long time ago and I can assure you that it's neither user-friendly nor very reliable (but it looks great, IMHO). I remember reading an interview where Karl Bartos (or was it Wolfgang Fluer?) said the same about the MC 8. > The Sigue Sigue Sputnik single "Love Missile F1/11" and great parts of their > whole > album were also produced with it. > I don´t know that Roland tool but it seems to have this very special kind of > trancy spacey sequences and You can hear it on "FHTE", too. ´Someone there who > knows more about this Roland machine ? I doubt whether the MC 8 had any preset sequences of this sort, at least the MC 4 hadn't - you had to program it from scratch, either via a CV keyboard or by entering alphanumeric commands (do this only if you're extremely bored and don't know what to do in your spare time). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) I Feel Love Date: 24 Jun 2001 17:42:11 EDT I haven't heard the Donna Summer song, but I have noticed that there are similarities between the melody in "Metropolis" and Iggy Pop's 1977 (or '76?) song "Baby." Given the communication between Kraftwerk and Pop & Bowie at that time, I've never felt that it was only a coincidence. Sam john@keepwerking.co.uk writes: << Okay.. to the point.. In 1977 Donna Summer released a single entitled "I Feel Love". I you've not heard it then you should as I feel that most people on this list would appreciate it. Anyway I can't help but hear a striking resemblance to Kraftwerks 1978 Metropolis". The beginning of "I Feel Love" is so similar to "Metropolis" (especially just after the slow beginning 'fanfare') that it can't be coincidence? Can it? >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) ( slightly OT , but who really cares , eh !? ;-) somethin' about efficiency ... "in full effect" ( so to say ;-) !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) Date: 25 Jun 2001 22:36:17 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... i jus' recently read that graeme revell ( ex-s.p.k. mastermind , who brought us dance hall classix like "metal dance" in the early 80s & now composer of film soundtrax - btw : check out his own website @ www.graemerevell.com !!! ;-) has finished the indeed stunnin' soundtrack to "tomb raider" in LESS_THAN_14_DAYS ( !!! :-o ) ... while our kraftwerkers need even more than 14_YEARS to only complete ONE_SINGLE_"NEW"_ALBUM !!! D'OH_!!! >:-O doesn't this make them ( kw ;-) look like bloody amateurs ... compared to classically trained composers & "professionals" like mr. revell ??? erm ... YES , it does ... imho !!! *sighs_deeply* :-o anyway ... "it's jus' a question of time ( or lust ;-)" ... to quote some ol' depeche mode songs ( from their album "black celebration" ;-) here !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: Oh Jay...long topic name as per usual (slyest grin) Date: 25 Jun 2001 23:31:16 +0100 Hi KW's Just a personal note on aspects of Kraftwerk's approach to making music: Firstly, I don't really think that they would likely be spending the last ten years on a single album, rather they would be catching up on the latest movies at Dusseldorf cinema, and saying in interviews how they like the many remixes of their famous classics. They do work slowly as we know, but maybe not that slowly. Secondly, there is a sense of refreshing "amatuerism" behind their "werks" in the past thirty years, the fact that they pioneered a form inevitably resulted in music of perhaps variable quality at first, before they hit their stride with Autobahn. Indeed, careful listening to the many quality tracks of Trans Europe Express and Man Machine and you may notice "beats" not quite mathematically precise (shock horror, they are really HUMAN). This is why they appeal to me so much, they are soulful, emotional people after all...and the "MAN MACHINE" is their ironic persona for the public to absorb...and judge for themselves. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) ( slightly OT , but who really cares , eh !? ;-) Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:50:03 +0100 Oh Jay wrote: > > hi kwf's ! > > well ... i jus' recently read that graeme revell ( ex-s.p.k. mastermind , > who brought us dance hall classix like "metal dance" in the early 80s & now > composer of film soundtrax - btw : check out his own website @ > www.graemerevell.com !!! ;-) has finished the indeed stunnin' soundtrack to > "tomb raider" in LESS_THAN_14_DAYS ( !!! :-o ) ... while our kraftwerkers > need even more than 14_YEARS to only complete ONE_SINGLE_"NEW"_ALBUM !!! Hmm, I'm told that the service in MacDonald's is usually pretty fast, too. Bon appetit! K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: FW: (kw) ( slightly OT , but who really cares , eh !? ;-)somethin' about efficiency ... "in full effect" ( so to say ;-) !!!*slyest_grin* ;-))) Date: 26 Jun 2001 12:00:53 +0100 Exactly. With a £30.00 Magix software sequencer, some sample CD's, MIDI keyboard, I can knock a piece of music together in a few hours. And like MacDonald's food it may be crap. 90% of film soundtracks are little more than elevator music. Shaun Hmm, I'm told that the service in MacDonald's is usually pretty fast, too. graeme revell has finished the indeed stunnin' soundtrack to "tomb raider" in LESS_THAN_14_DAYS ( !!! :-o ) ... while our kraftwerkers need even more than 14_YEARS to only complete ONE_SINGLE_"NEW"_ALBUM !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) to cut a long story short ... ;-) Date: 26 Jun 2001 14:27:47 +0200 Shaun Vaughan wrote : > Exactly. With a £30.00 Magix software sequencer, > some sample CD's, MIDI keyboard, > I can knock a piece of music together in a few hours. > And like MacDonald's food it may be crap. > 90% of film soundtracks are little more than elevator music. well ... if u would actually know at least SOMETHIN' about graeme revell & the way he produces his musical scores , u wouldn't write such a crap , dear shaun !!! *sigh* :-o fyi : i highly recommend to check out some of his soundtrack werks & also some of his earlier material with s.p.k. or as a solo artist !!! ;-) here are a few titles to look up : - zamia lehmanni : songs of byzantine flowers - insect musicians - necropolis , amphibians & reptiles okay , the above mentined 3 pieces of pure musical genius are not done this fast , but they actually represent some of the most interestin' sounds ever heard in the world of electronic music ... imho !!! ;-) jus' take a listen to it & u'll surely find out what i mean !!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-) > Hmm, I'm told that the service in MacDonald's is usually pretty fast, too. hmmm ... & i'm told that peter kuhlmann a.k.a. pete namlook of the german fax rec. label produces usually pretty fast too ... without releasin' any crap at all !!! *G+* ;-) okay , not ev'ry piece on his label is a masterpiece , but he's done some really *kewl* "stuff" with people like klaus schulze , bill laswell , richie hawtin , robert görl , pascal f.e.o.s. , etc. !!! *sly_grin_again* ;-) to me , fact is by now , if kw didn't release ANY "new" material in the next few month ( maybe this year or in the beginnin' of the next year ;-) , they prove ONCE_AGAIN that they are jus' too lazy & / or to uncertain about their own musical abilities in a world that moves a lot faster than in the late 70s or early 80s !!! *sigh* :-o fyi : i don't give them much credit anymore , if they won't move their lazy asses soon ... finally !!! *grim* :-/ however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) soundtracks Date: 26 Jun 2001 17:27:33 +0100 well ... if u would actually know at least SOMETHIN' about graeme revell & the way he produces his musical scores , u wouldn't write such a crap , dear shaun - i highly recommend to check out some of his soundtrack werks & also some of his earlier material with s.p.k. or as a solo artist !!! ;-) Oh Jay, I admit I've not heard of him so perhaps I was too hasty to judge/generalise. But when we watch a film, the music is there to enhance what's happening on the screen. Heard on their own soundtracks are often uninteresting, clichéd and instantly forgettable. There are a few exceptions to this - and I would quote, anything by R. Sakamoto, Tangerine Dream, some of John Williams stuff (Close Encounters), Jerry Goldsmith (Alien), Vangelis (Blade Runner-the best soundtrack ever!), Angelo Badalamenti. I will check Graeme Revell out tho pete namlook of the german fax rec. label produces usually pretty fast too ... without releasin' any crap at all I was lent some of this Fax stuff-have to admit I wasn't impressed though I believe it's very collectable judging by the prices it fetches on EBAY. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) ( slightly OT , but who really cares , eh !? ; Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Well better 14 years and have a remarkable album... --- "Oh Jay" > wrote: > >hi kwf's ! > while our kraftwerkers >need even more than 14_YEARS to only complete ONE_SINGLE_"NEW"_ALBUM !!! == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) soundtracks Date: 26 Jun 2001 19:25:46 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... what i really *love* about good soundtrax , is the way they create "an audible atmosphere" for the viewer of the movie ... & some good producers like graeme revell & oskar sala ( remember : hitchcock's "birds" sound effects !!! ;-) for example do really achieve it to create this very special "audible atmosphere" with their werks ... like kw does it too with nearly ev'rythin' they do !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) here's hopin' that they ( kw ;-) would only do it more frequently !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) Lie-werk Date: 26 Jun 2001 18:39:13 -0000 Does anyone know the answer to this question; The 1994 album Trans Slovenia Express features a number of Slovene groups doing interesting covers of KW songs. Laibach is one of the groups who contribute. The final track (Kraftbach) however is by a group called Lie-werk. Is this an actual colaboration between Laibach and KW? ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivo Peeters" Subject: Re: (kw) Lie-werk Date: 26 Jun 2001 22:50:27 +0200 > Does anyone know the answer to this question; The 1994 album Trans Slovenia > Express features a number of Slovene groups doing interesting covers of KW > songs. Laibach is one of the groups who contribute. The final track > (Kraftbach) however is by a group called Lie-werk. Is this an actual > colaboration between Laibach and KW? No. I think it is just Laibach. Ivo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Romance Date: 26 Jun 2001 23:11:04 +0100 This is a long shot... and really therefore rather a daft question! Has anyone else here heard the 1976 solo album 'Romance '76' by Peter Baumann (then a member of Tangerine Dream)? The sequence on the track 'Romance' is - to me - intriguingly reminiscent of that on Kraftwerk's Trans-Europe Express (1977). I'm not suggesting plagiarism or even an influence - I just wonder if anyone else hears a similarity. Comparisons between the music of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are usually fruitless, so this one possible point of similarity is a little interesting to me! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) TV live rendition Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:27:33 +0200 At http://www.karlbartos.com/konzerte/live_eng.html it can be seen a live rendition of TV at Electronic Beat Festival Palladium, Cologne. Karl makes good music but he sings really very very bad! DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Komputer Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:12:44 +0200 Apparently http://www.komputer.com will work soon. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 27 Jun 2001 18:37:04 +0100 What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance on The Telephone Call in 1986? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 27 Jun 2001 21:30:54 +0200 Robert Evans wrote : > What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance > on The Telephone Call in 1986? well ... maybe he had "a change of voice" ... again !? *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: Re: (kw) TV live rendition Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:06:20 +0200 > rendition of TV at Electronic Beat Festival Palladium, Cologne. > Karl makes good music but he sings really very very bad! > > DER AUTOMAT yeah, but then again, when i heard Hutter sing in Detroit, it sounded almost nothing like what i'm used on their LPs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:33:22 +0100 Whenever Ralf sings, he always sounds like he's struggling (esp. The Hall Of Mirrors), Perhaps that why he uses the vocoder mostly. Shaun What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance on The Telephone Call in 1986? Rob. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 28 Jun 2001 11:35:33 +0200 Shaun Vaughan wrote: > > Whenever Ralf sings, he always sounds like he's struggling (esp. The Hall Of > Mirrors), Perhaps that why he uses the vocoder mostly. No, Huetter's vocals are not vocoded. If it's a vocoded voice it's Schneider's (e.g. The Robots). Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 28 Jun 2001 15:08:01 +0200 Rick Jansen wrote: > > Shaun Vaughan wrote: > > > > Whenever Ralf sings, he always sounds like he's struggling (esp. The Hall Of > > Mirrors), Perhaps that why he uses the vocoder mostly. > > No, Huetter's vocals are not vocoded. > If it's a vocoded voice it's Schneider's (e.g. The Robots). What makes you that sure? By listening to the lead-vocals of "The Man-Machine", though it is vocoded, I believe to recognize the typical characteristics of Ralf's voice. Or mind the vocoded parts in the background of "Metal On Metal" ("Abzug" in the German version) or "Autobahn" (after "Jetzt schalten wir das Radio an"), which are so synchronized to Ralf singing that I come to the conclusion that HE triggered the vocoder and not Florian. Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Let's Face It... Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Okay, let's face it, Kraftwerk arent the most talented singers. But that isnt the point of their music. I remember reading one time that Ralf said something like this "Most people tell us that they can't hear the singer, or something, but for us it's more important to focus on the music than the words." Like I said it isnt his exact words, but it's the most I can remember, I'll try to look it up again. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Ralf's Voice Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:03:55 -0700 (PDT) I dont care how good their voices sound, just so it makes you think about it. Ralf puts the "Hall of Mirrors" in a mood, as he strikingly & sternly says "Even The Greatest Stars..." In my opinion, music is good if you can think about the lyrics and make your own perception about them. That's something that sets apart true musicians from Nysnc and Britney Spears. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Karl Date: 28 Jun 2001 22:27:57 +0200 On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:04 +0100, Robert Evans wrote: > >What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance on The Telephone >Call in 1986? > Nothing, he sings very well, he has a strong hot poppy voice. But true, his voice is not very good to sing songs such as "We are the robots" he's not actually a robot but more likeli a young hurban professional. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SmF2aSBTaW3zbiBSdWJpbw==?=" Subject: Re: (kw) TV live rendition Date: 28 Jun 2001 22:10:00 -0000 Someone wrote: >yeah, but then again, when i heard Hutter sing in Detroit, it sounded >almost >nothing like what i'm used on their LPs. I heard Mr. Hutter in 91 tour (Zaragoza) and his voice was bad. I heard Mr. Hutter in "Sónar 98" and was horrible. I think he and Florian are the best making e-music but maybe they must let us sing in their songs... I'm sure we'll do it much better. What Do They do in their songs to get a "normal" voice (jajaja)? Best regards!... and new LP soon, please. JAVI. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Karl Date: 28 Jun 2001 23:17:32 +0100 Unfortunately I have heard hardly anything of Karl's voice since The Telephone Call, but I would be surprised if it is any different now. Age frankly has no bearing, Ralf sings the same as he always has done, and it wrong to suggest that any new material would contain fewer lyrics on the basis that they are getting older. David Bowie and Iggy Pop would have retired by now. Have you heard Bryan Ferry of Roxy Music? He still sounds fantastic. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) (KW) RE: Karl and KW singing Date: 29 Jun 2001 01:12:51 -0000 I think the singing is just fine both live and recorded. What is a good singer? A good singer is someone who can evoke the spirit of the music they are singing to, someone who is emotionally in tune with the music - not necessarily musically in tune. A good folk singer can't sing opera, and a good opera singer can't sing folk (generally speaking). Can you imagine Frank Sinatra singing heavy metal? It just doesn’t work. Music is art. Achieving a recognized standard of playing an instrument or singing scales is a craft. Art is about emotion, craft is about skill. To sing Beethoven's Ode To Joy requires a great deal of craftsmanship from the singers and the musicians. To sing a punk song does not require much craftsmanship, however both can be intensely emotional. Both can be good art. If Ralph or Karl are bad singers, then their singing is not of the required craftsmanship needed to express the emotion. I don't think this is the case. KW's music requires musical skills but not so much vocal skills. In my opinion, the vocal should never sound too dominant or tuneful on a kW song. KW like to be compared to the Beachboys and the Beachboys make surf music, evoking sun, sea, love and the USA. To do this requires harmonious singing. KW evokes the spirit of industry, modernity, introvercy and Germany. This requires a vocal that is not impassioned, but fragile and human. How many adjectives are there in a KW lyric? The lyrics and singing are the finishing touches, the spices that bring out the flavour of the music. The vocal should be a little bit raw to offset the perfectionism. And when they play live? well that is a one off imperfection only for the people who really understand KW, hence no official live album. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Let's Face It... Date: 29 Jun 2001 09:55:02 +0200 Omega Chance wrote: > > I remember reading one time that Ralf said something like this "Most people tell us that they can't hear the singer, or something, but for us it's more important to focus on the music than the words." I remember, too. But IMHO this was an excuse of him that they just used to be unable to mix the vocals into their songs well... ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nat Heidler Subject: (kw) KW and AI (the movie) Date: 29 Jun 2001 09:04:03 -0500 Kraftwerk and Man Machine are featured in the timline (1978) part of the move AI's website. http://aimovie.warnerbros.com/ Nat somewhere in Kansas, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Vocals Date: 29 Jun 2001 14:42:40 -0000 Someone wrote; "What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance on The Telephone Call in 1986?" That was Bartos, although he was made to re-record it until he sounded like Heutter, apparently. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/