From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Vocals Date: 02 Jul 2001 09:36:01 +0200 richard marston wrote: > > Someone wrote; "What's happened to his voice since his lovely performance on > The Telephone Call in 1986?" > > That was Bartos, although he was made to re-record it until he sounded like > Heutter, apparently. I know Bussy wrote this in his book, but it's one of the more unbelievable stories in my opinion. Not that it matters much to the Telephone Call really, or other Kraftwerk songs. Did anyone ask Bartos himself about this? Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Roger Sanchez Date: 02 Jul 2001 11:24:27 +0200 The delayed (it was set for an autumn 2000 release on Armed / Columbia) 11-tracks "First Contact" album from New York house DJ Roger Sanchez, has just been issued. The record features, apart from the hit single "I Never Knew", a few homages to Kraftwerk, among them there is a very recommendable song called "Computerbank". http://www.rogersanchez.com DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Svenungsson Subject: (kw) singing Date: 02 Jul 2001 12:34:41 -0400 Regarding Ralph's weak voice: IMHO they would have been less good if he h= ad been a "better" singer. As it is now there is a very expressive and very important contrast (especially live!) between the relentless perfection o= f the music machinery and the fragility of the voice, always on the verge o= f faltering... On the Virtu Ex Machina bootleg he comes closest to singing "for real". Check it out! In the case of Karl, however, it doesn't work, simply because BOTH the voice and the music falters. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Musik Cameo Date: 02 Jul 2001 16:14:32 -0700 (PDT) I don't often hear Kraftwerk's music at places, but just the other day, I saw on Much Music (Canadian Music Channel) that a Detroit DJ was playing 'It's More Fun To Compute'. All the kids seemed to like it as the jumped up and down. Good to see Kraftwerk is still liked by kids like me in their teens and early 20's. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Musik Cameo Date: 02 Jul 2001 20:24:53 -0400 Hello Omega, Monday, July 02, 2001, 7:14:32 PM, you wrote: OC> I don't often hear Kraftwerk's music at places, but just the other OC> day, I saw on Much Music (Canadian Music Channel) that a Detroit OC> DJ was playing 'It's More Fun To Compute'. All the kids seemed to OC> like it as the jumped up and down. Good to see Kraftwerk is still OC> liked by kids like me in their teens and early 20's. One DJ, at the NYC NESH party (a lil' while ago), was playing mostly trip-hopish/elektroish stuff, with the crowd, well, not reacting exceptionally well. Then he suddenly dropped Kraftwerk's "Numbers"... I admit it must've been some a slight remix of some sort (the bassdrum was much harder than the original... or did the DJ just turn up the bass?). But anyway, as soon as "eins zwei drei vier funf sechs sieben acht" blasted thru the speakers, I saw quite a few people smile or grin pleasantly, and then the crowd got going nicely :). Who says you can't dance to Kraftwerk? Ptfooey :) - Oleg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Metropolis article Date: 03 Jul 2001 12:05:35 +0100 There's an article about the influence of Lang's film 'Metropolis' on music in the current issue of 'The Wire' magazine. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, though I noticed a couple of photos of Kraftwerk, so no doubt they are given due attention. Availability details are at http://www.thewire.co.uk/current/index.htm Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut @ Roskilde Festival Date: 03 Jul 2001 18:23:57 +0200 (CEST) First the Review from the Festival Newspaper (http://www.roskilde-daily.dk): Ay, Caramba Senor Coconut, White Stage 6 stars (of 6 possible) From the first track ("Showroom Dummies" ed.) and all the way to "The Robots", Senor Coconut was kissing the audience in all possible erogene zones. When I get the cash, he's writing the soundtrack to my life. With smooth & checked moves, Senor Coconut ran his Sense Lovetrain through a (rather small) chacha-starcing audience. Not that many knows this, but Roskilde Daily is now able to reveal it. Senor Coconut is in fact the German DJ and latino-lovin' DJ Uwe Schmidt. Does this sound non-sense to you? Yes? Forget it - Herr Coconut is capable of outplaying every single Ricky Martin there is, when it comes to Sexy Salsa. Naturally, he knows his Perez Prado and Tino Puente on the fingertips and uses it every second. ask yourself this questions: When was the last time YOU were to concert where people started to do 'the Locomotion' without being hesitant? shame on you, all those who weren't there! And now for my personal view: Incredible. Everything mentioned i the above review matches my feelings. Though the DO forget to mention that fact that 3 girls (with _very_ little cloths on *g*. Read: Stamp-sized bikini top and _very_ short cowboy shorts) came up on the stage during "Music Non-Stop", and nobody seemed to mind. In fact, most of the band members ewre just smiling all the way! And if anyone has ever doubted that Kraftwerks music reaches out, all I can say is that I saw people from age 7 or 8 to around 50 or so. I saw Goth people, Heavy Metal people, Pop people (read: Buffalo shoes), Techno people, people like Me (Who just likes all sorts of music). I think that all of the Festivals peopel genres were represented. I was talking to some persons next to me (secured a spot up fornt around 30 minutes before the concert), and we spoke for the entire 30 minutes of Kraftwerks concert in '98. Yours from Roskilde Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Har du en spændende hobby? Find andre med samme interesse i Yahoo! Grupper - der er hundredevis af danske grupper at vælge imellem om alt mellem himmel og jord. Yahoo! Grupper finder du på adressen: http://dk.groups.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luciano M. - ig" Subject: (kw) EBM in Brazil Date: 03 Jul 2001 16:33:24 -0300 Sei que muitos não entenderão o que está escrito aqui, mas é proposital. Então, olá brasileiros ! Estou a procura de cultura EBM no Brasil, mais especificamente em SP, sob todos os aspectos, incluindo casas ou bares que tocam EBM e organizações ou lugares que cultuam a música eletrônica como arte e não como ruídos de video-game. Não sou músico, mas tenho extremo interesse nos resultados acusticos das composições ritimicas baseadas em tecnologia eletrônica. Só não tive tempo de explorá-la, ainda. Tenho extremo interesse em conhecer e participar de trabalhos ou "Electronic Jam Sessions". PS: Sou fã do KraftWerk desde "criancinha" e estive no show em SP (sou fã também do Vômito Negro e diversos pioneiros da música eletrônica - não vou citar todos os nomes agora) PS-2: Sou engenheiro de software. SMALL ENGLISH VERSION: Do someone know anything about EBM culture in Brazil (mainly in "Sao Paulo") ? Including clubs, societies, organizations, etc... Thanks/Obrigado. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndrewNelles1@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk writen music needed Date: 06 Jul 2001 02:08:31 EDT --part1_a0.16ceb64c.2876afdf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am writing this late at night please excuse any bad spelling or grammar. I am thinking on doing my own KW covers and need some writen KW music to work off of. Any one have sheet music or just know what notes and or chordes are in the songs? --part1_a0.16ceb64c.2876afdf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am writing this late at night please excuse any bad spelling or grammar. I
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Sorry I can't remember where, but you might try a websearch or looking though some links from the bigger fan sites. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk writen music needed Date: 06 Jul 2001 20:37:02 -0700 (PDT) I believe that site was Keep Werking... www.keepwerking.co.uk --- Soleil Lapierre > wrote: >I found the sheet music for TdF, The Model and Computer World online at a >fan site. Sorry I can't remember where, but you might try a websearch or >looking though some links from the bigger fan sites. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) (OT) LCP Date: 07 Jul 2001 14:39:07 +0200 Tonight at 11.00pm-0.00am CEST VIVA's "Berlin House" presents "Little Computer People" produced by Anthony Rother. A track with 8-bit-retro-sound/pictures and nice vocodered vocals. Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) Check out my new Kraftwerk Page with rare mp3s Date: 07 Jul 2001 16:51:01 +0200 Hello, I've worked a little bit on my Kraftwerk Page and I'm recording and uploading my Singles, because not everybody has these 7" and 12" versions. The first Songs, the 7" version of Autobahn is up. I'm not sure if it works because I've zipped it and splittet it to hide the mp3s on Fortunecity. Maybe somebody with a highspeed connection could tell me if it works? http://www.kraftwerk.mediasite.de Thank you and enjoy! Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) NEU! Interview in Intro Date: 07 Jul 2001 21:43:15 +0000 Issue 86 of the German freebie magazine Intro has an interview with Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother (conducted in seperate rooms...), complete with the usual Kraftwerk references. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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 == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Latthew Marge" Subject: Re: (kw) outburn? Date: 09 Jul 2001 08:40:58 -0000 yes, it was mentioned before by me, and i found out, from the knowledgable guys on the list, that it's just a mis-spelt autobahn. at least i think that's what the outcome was..? >From: Omega Chance >Reply-To: Omega@herzeleid.net >To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (kw) outburn? >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:34:29 -0700 (PDT) > > >WASNT THIS ALREADY MENTIONED BEFORE?! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Outburn strikes again Date: 09 Jul 2001 09:49:23 +0100 Hi there "Outburn" is "Autobahn". If you order "Outburn" you will receive a Japanese release of "Autobahn". Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) outburned !!! Date: 09 Jul 2001 12:34:19 +0200 hi kwf's ! Chris Storey wrote: >
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... etc. oh dear !!! >:-O PLEASE spare us this kind of HTML_SPAM in the future , dear chris ( or whoever else thought that it was a good idea to post HTML messages to this list ... or also quote this nearly unreadable crap ) !!! :-/ however ... thanx a lot in advance and many greetinx !!! :-) oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Outburn strikes again Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:54:01 +0200 Robert Evans wrote: > > "Outburn" is "Autobahn". If you order "Outburn" you will receive a Japanese > release of "Autobahn". Ah, sounds like the Japanese transcription bug hits again, like the "Elegance and thick curtains" in Europe Endless. Do you think they (the Japanese) have a machine for transcribing songs? It would be most interesting to hook up that machine with a speech synthesizer to a Karaoke system and to see what would happen. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) 3 artikels about german techno Date: 09 Jul 2001 13:23:47
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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: (kw) What's 'Das Boot' Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:07:48 -0600 Dear KW list, There's a song kicking around called "Kraftwerk - Das Boot." WHAT IS this? (I found a copy on Morpheus, the new Napster. www.musiccity.com) Bix # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) What's 'Das Boot' Date: 10 Jul 2001 14:36:59 -0600 Thanks, Fabien I guess I knew it was Das Boot, but why some idiot would put Kraftwerk's name on it, well, who can divine the minds of those idiots. The music has an author, (Klaus Doldinger, I think) but is otherwise uncredited. It's kind of synth/electro. Bix Fabien Stoffel wrote: Hello, well, this is the soundtrack of the movie Das Boot. But it doesn't have anything to do with Kraftwerk, only some idiots can't give the right names to their Files. Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: (kw) Kind of OT..... Date: 10 Jul 2001 17:34:59 -0400 If Anyone is interested I have a new song up at MP3.com...... It's = called "Melancholy Daze"... I used one of my poems for the lyrics and = used a vocoder on all of it. The poem is published in two books at = Poetry.com... It's only about a minute and a half but it's different = too...... It's definately Kraftwerkish but not as noticeable as my other = song "Q-Werk Kwk Mix". All comments are completely welcomed..... flames = included!!! *LOL*=20 I figured since there is a some what dry spell maybe this can help a few = of us out! ;-)=20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac Electronic Muzik http://www.poetry.com/publications/display.asp?E=3D1&ID=3DP2283724&BN=3D9= 99&PN=3D1 A poem of mine PS..... I still think Expo 2000 sounds timeless!!! It's just a good = song!! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) What's 'Das Boot' Date: 10 Jul 2001 22:29:13 +0200 Hello, well, this is the soundtrack of the movie Das Boot. But it doesn't have anything to do with Kraftwerk, only some idiots can't give the right names to their Files. Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) What's 'Das Boot' Date: 10 Jul 2001 22:29:13 +0200 Hello, well, this is the soundtrack of the movie Das Boot. But it doesn't have anything to do with Kraftwerk, only some idiots can't give the right names to their Files. Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) KraftNetz Date: 10 Jul 2001 18:34:23 +0200 Quoted from SIDE-LINE NEWSLETTER 09/07/01 N =B095: New signings for Artoffact records. Artoffact records has announced new additions to the label: Netz (interviewed in the recent Side-Line paper magazine, n=BA 36), an electro outfit that blends technoid programming with kraftwerkian bleep music. Artoffact has just re-issued their debut full-length, "werk01", remastere= d, with new artwork and a bonus collaboration with In Strict Confidence. Net= z will release their follow-up album, "werk02", on Artoffact in the fall. http://www.side-line.com/ Artoffact http://www.artoffact.com End of quotation. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: (kw) Kraftneu Date: 11 Jul 2001 18:28:22 +0200 http://homepage.mac.com/hotline_king/kraftneu_full.rm May be old news for you all, but you never know. now available in pink - http://www.flipflopflyin.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald Westphal Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk TV gig 1971 Date: 11 Jul 2001 21:31:08 +0200 In Klaus Dinger's "Self-Biography" (http://www.dingerland.de/From/dinger-bio.pdf), he mentioned that Kraftwerk played two TV gigs in 1971. The first one is the well-documented "Beat Club" appearance. For the second one, it just says "Okie Dokie". I suppose this is the more or less famous music club in Neuss near Düsseldorf. Does anybody know about a TV recording of a Kraftwerk gig there in 1971? -- Harald Westphal *** E-Mail: h.westphal@gmx.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald Westphal Subject: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 11 Jul 2001 21:57:13 +0200 Florian Schneider made a cameo appearance in a German TV movie called "Klassentreffen". This movie was aired on 20 February 2001 on "SAT 1". Together with Klaus Schulze, Marian Gold (Alphaville singer) and others he was mimicking as a "dance music combo", performing "Those were the days". Florian was playing bass: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/a001.htm The band is called "Sputnik Roadhouse", you can find some infos about this project on their web site (http://www.sputnik-roadhouse.de/). While Klaus Schulze and Marian Gold are using their real names, Florian is called "Fred Schnitzel". Accordingly to the official KS newsletter, there a plans for a complete "Sputnik Roadhouse" album, at least with Schulze and Gold. -- Harald Westphal *** E-Mail: h.westphal@gmx.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 11 Jul 2001 21:36:43 -0400 >>Florian Schneider made a cameo appearance in a German TV movie called >>"Klassentreffen". This movie was aired on 20 February 2001 on "SAT 1". >>Together with Klaus Schulze, Marian Gold (Alphaville singer) and=20 >>others he >>was mimicking as a "dance music combo", performing "Those were=20 >>the days".=20 >>Florian was playing bass: >>http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/a001.htm >> *ROTFLOLFAW* That's quite a wig Florian has on!! ;-) I wonder if that is = his disguise to go out into public!?!?!? *g*=20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 12 Jul 2001 9:28:52 +0200 Is it really Florian?=20= -It looks like Wolfgang to me=2E=2E=2E /Johan ---------- Sent: onsdag 11 juli 2001 21=2E59 <> Florian Schneider made a cameo appearance in a German TV movie called "Klassentreffen"=2E This movie was aired on 20 February 2001 on "SAT 1"=2E Together with Klaus Schulze, Marian Gold (Alphaville singer) and others he was mimicking as a "dance music combo", performing "Those were the days"=2E=20= Florian was playing bass: http://www=2Eklaus-schulze=2Ecom/photos/a001=2Ehtm The band is called "Sputnik Roadhouse", you can find some infos about this project on their web site (http://www=2Esputnik-roadhouse=2Ede/)=2E While Klaus Schulze and Marian Gold are using their real names, Florian is called "Fred Schnitzel"=2E Accordingly to the official KS newsletter, there a plans for a complete=20= "Sputnik Roadhouse" album, at least with Schulze and Gold=2E -- Harald Westphal *** E-Mail: h=2Ewestphal@gmx=2Ede # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original sender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FA= Q/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Date: 12 Jul 2001 09:42:45 +0100 Sister Ray records in London www.sisterray.co.uk are advertising CD's of Kraftwerk 1/2, Ralf & Florian and Tone Float for £9.99 each. Quite a good price as I've seen these discs selling for double that amount. Thought you UK Werkers would like to know. Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:00:54 +0200 hi kwf's ! Harald Westphal wrote : > Florian Schneider made a cameo appearance in a German TV movie called > "Klassentreffen". This movie was aired on 20 February 2001 on "SAT 1". > Together with Klaus Schulze, Marian Gold (Alphaville singer) and others he > was mimicking as a "dance music combo", performing "Those were the days". > Florian was playing bass: > http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/a001.htm well ... that's indeed very interestin' !!! *sly_grin* ;-) btw : i'm not sure , who the drummer is , but i'm 101% certain that the guitarist is nobody else than frank jürgen "eff jott" krüger - formerly guitarist & singer of the "ndw" combo "ideal" !!! *BWG* ;-))) fyi : he's also a close friend of "fred schnitzel" a.k.a. "don" schneider !!! *hehehe* ;-))) > The band is called "Sputnik Roadhouse", you can find some infos about this > project on their web site (http://www.sputnik-roadhouse.de/). While Klaus > Schulze and Marian Gold are using their real names, Florian is called "Fred > Schnitzel". > Accordingly to the official KS newsletter, there a plans for a complete > "Sputnik Roadhouse" album, at least with Schulze and Gold. hmmm ... i sincerely hope that "fred schnitzel" & "eff jott" krüger will also join the band once again to complete this funny & entertainin' performance !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) sisterray Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:17:10 +0100 Hello kw's Shaun, you are a liar! They are the usual high prices, and I cannot even find the mysterious "Tone Float"... Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:52:54 +0200 hi kwf's ! Shaun Vaughan wrote : > Sister Ray records in London www.sisterray.co.uk are advertising > CD's of Kraftwerk 1/2, Ralf & Florian and Tone Float for £9.99 each. sorry shaun , but ALL_ITEMS u mentioned above are listed for £ 15.99 each , which is still TOO_EXPENSIVE_IMHO_!!! :-/ > Quite a good price as I've seen these discs selling > for double that amount. well ... whoever pays more than £ 15 for one of these items on cd ( which are obviously only "semi-official bootlegs" !!! ) is a complete jerk ... IMHO_!!! :-/ > Thought you UK Werkers would like to know. at least we like to know "THE_REAL_DEAL" , mate !!! :-/ p. s. : btw : what the heck is this 12" called "remake red" ( for £ 30 !!! >:-O ) ??? *highly_curious* i've never ever heard of such a single release !!! :-o however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:59:59 +0200 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > Is it really Florian? -It looks like Wolfgang to me... > /Johan I think it must be Karl Bartos. They made him do the performance over and over again, till he looked like Florian. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) sisterray Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:08:40 +0100 I have this weeks edition of NME in front of me and Sister Rays advert in the back pages clearly say what I said earlier. Ya boo sucks! 'onest Shaun Hello kw's Shaun, you are a liar! They are the usual high prices, and I cannot even find the mysterious "Tone Float"... Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 11:41:54 +0100 Look, I'm just telling you what their advert in the New Musical Express says. Why in the world would I make it up. If their web site says different then take the matter up with them. Now I'm all stressed out. I'm going to have to coerce one of the girls in the office to give me some hand relief. Shaun Shaun Vaughan wrote : > Sister Ray records in London www.sisterray.co.uk are advertising > CD's of Kraftwerk 1/2, Ralf & Florian and Tone Float for 9.99 each. sorry shaun , but ALL_ITEMS u mentioned above are listed for 15.99 each , which is still TOO_EXPENSIVE_IMHO_!!! :-/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 12 Jul 2001 13:32:03 +0200 > Florian Schneider made a cameo appearance in a German TV movie called > "Klassentreffen". This movie was aired on 20 February 2001 on "SAT 1". > Together with Klaus Schulze, Marian Gold (Alphaville singer) and others he > was mimicking as a "dance music combo", performing "Those were the days". > Florian was playing bass: Does anyone know about Klaus Schulze's health? He seems to be smoking for over 30 years now? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 13:56:28 +0200 hi kwf's ! Shaun Vaughan wrote again : > Look, I'm just telling you what their advert > in the New Musical Express says. well ... u've only written this in your second mail , dear shaun , & NOT in the one i was actually replyin' to !!! :-/ so WHY do u give us an internet addy ( www.sisterray.co.uk ) , which u obviously haven't checked yourself carefully before & therefore confused or maybe also annoyed ( btw : NOT_ME_!!! ;-) some of us , eh ??? *jus'_curious* > Why in the world would I make it up. fyi : i don't say that U are makin' somethin' up , shaun !!! u've only given us an addy , which u haven't checked yourself before ... which isn't a very wise decision , as we all know by now !!! *sigh* :-o > If their web site says different then take the matter up with them. anyway ... if "somebody" delivers some info , combined with an internet addy , he better check the site BEFORE he mentions it !!! well ... that's all i have to say concernin' this topic ... finally !!! however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: : Re: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 12:26:51 -0000 Well I think, both £10 and £15 is far to cheap. I would refuse to pay less than £30 each. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: : Re: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 14:46:51 +0200 ian tyson wrote: > = > Well I think, both =A310 and =A315 is far to cheap. I would refuse to = pay less > than =A330 each. Tss, and you are from Scotland? Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 12 Jul 2001 9:44:19 -0400 Hi Kwf's, What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what everyone else thinks. For me it's several things about Kwk music I really like.... of course it's electronic music and the odd melodic sound scapes with the driving simple rythms with the vocoded lyrics ....... and of course the robovoices they use. Inovation and exploration as well. What's youtr opinions?!?!?!? MOST_CURIOUS!!! Thanx, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) sister ray Date: 12 Jul 2001 15:12:47 +0100 Well, I'm at work at the moment and the bosses won't let us have an internet connection, 'cos they're afraid we would spend the day looking at porn - and they'd be right! So that's why I haven't checked their site out. I didn't even think about it, but one would assume that the mail order advert prices and website prices would be the same!? Or is that an absurd notion? Anyway, if you live in the UK and you desire to add these albums to your collection, don't go via the website, call 020 7287 8385 and pay only £9.99 each. Hurrah! Sorted! well ... u've only written this in your second mail , dear shaun , & NOT in the one i was actually replyin' to !!! :-/ so WHY do u give us an internet addy ( www.sisterray.co.uk ) , which u obviously haven't checked yourself carefully before & therefore confused or maybe also annoyed ( btw : NOT_ME_!!! ;-) some of us , eh ??? *jus'_curious* fyi : i don't say that U are makin' somethin' up , shaun !!! u've only given us an addy , which u haven't checked yourself before ... which isn't a very wise decision , as we all know by now !!! *sigh* :-o # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (OT) Klaus Schulze (was: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance) Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:33:25 +0200 Fabien Stoffel wrote: > Does anyone know about Klaus Schulze's health? He seems to be smoking for > over 30 years now? > Greets, > Fabien At least he was able to perform live in Osnabrück at the Klangart-Festival a few months ago ;-) Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) RE:Klaus Schulze Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:04:01 +0100 Is his music as boring as it was thirty years ago? Fabien Stoffel wrote: Does anyone know about Klaus Schulze's health? He seems to be smoking for over 30 years now? Greets, Fabien At least he was able to perform live in Osnabrck at the Klangart-Festival a few months ago ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider cameo appearance Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:05:30 +0200 Fabien Stoffel schrieb am 12.07.2001 13:32 Uhr MEZ: > Does anyone know about Klaus Schulze's health? He seems to be smoking for > over 30 years now? Well, maybe with him's still this guy called Johnny Walker, disinfecting his throat and bronchial tubes. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Machine Man Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:39:54 +0200 Rock band Judas Priest has just released a 3-track miniCD entitled "Machine Man". DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Machine Man Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:59:55 +0200 > Rock band Judas Priest has just released a 3-track miniCD entitled "Machine > Man". > I saw some Neon Lights on my way home last night. They were shimmering too. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) RE:Klaus Schulze Date: 12 Jul 2001 19:13:44 +0200 Hello, > Is his music as boring as it was thirty years ago? Yes! But I actually like Dosburg online. Greets Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 12 Jul 2001 10:12:04 -0700 (PDT) When I listen to Kraftwerk music, my brain is dancing! <:-] ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Machine Man Date: 12 Jul 2001 19:20:58 +0200 hi kwf's ! "someone" wrote : > > Rock band Judas Priest has just released > > a 3-track miniCD entitled "Machine Man". "someone else" replied : > I saw some Neon Lights on my way home last night. > They were shimmering too. well ... some of us are livin' in "metropolis" & don't even realize it !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Re: Machine Man Date: 12 Jul 2001 18:59:05 +0100 I made a Telephone Call to a Model posing as a Sex Object and later indulged in some Computer Love and then I went back to Ohm Sweet Ohm. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) what a great challenge !!! *BWG* ;-))) try to build a story around the most kw titles u can come up with !!! *hehehe* ;-))) Date: 12 Jul 2001 22:08:39 +0200 hi kwf's ! Robert Evans wrote : > I made a Telephone Call to a Model > posing as a Sex Object and later > indulged in some Computer Love and then > I went back to Ohm Sweet Ohm. well ... i was drivin' on the "autobahn" through "metropolis" way past "midnight" , passin' some huge "neon lights" , while i was listenin' to a band called "the robots" on my car's stereo , as i approached an "electric cafe" , where i spotted some strange lookin' "showroom dummies" behind its tall glass facade , instantly thinkin' about the "hall of mirrors" before somethin' went "boing boom tschak" & a kind of "comet melody" runs through my head ... ( "intermission" ) ... after some time i realized that this noise came from "metal on metal" , because i hit the car right in front of me , driven by a very nice lookin' "model" !!! ;-) she immediately jumps out of her car & screamed 'oh dear ... that's what happens , when somebody listens to "music non stop" & lookin' at me like i'm jus' a "sex object" !!!' :-o i looked at her & replied 'i'm very sorry , lady & i'll give u my "number" , so we can make a "telephone call" later to arrange all the necessary details ... for our insurance companies !!!' ;-) she smiled at me & replied 'oh yeah , we first have to get all the info together in this "computer world" , because some people only think that "it's more fun to compute" & play with their "pocket calculators" then anythin' else !!!' ;-) i agreed & we both walked together to the next train station to wait for the "t.e.e." to arrive , while she was tunin' in through the "airwaves" on her small hand-held radio , before we were listenin' to the "news" comin' from a station called "radioland" ... suddenly she asks me , if i know the music of "franz schubert" & i jus' replied 'yeah , actually i like him very much !!!' & after a short "intermission" she smiled back at me & we both laughed ... "endless endless" !!! ;-) finally the train arrived & we got on it ... "abzug" !!! ;-) p. s. : after ridin' on the "t.e.e." through "europe endless" , we arrived in vienna , where we met iggy pop & david bowie in an "electric cafe" & had a wonderful "mornin' walk" together after a crunchy breakfast !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : instead of '... & if they haven't died yet , they're still walkin ... somewhere out there !!!' or somethin' like that , this lil' story closes with the final sentence "es wird immer weitergeh'n ... musik als träger von ideen !!!" *XLG* ;-) ( "it will always continue ... music as medium for ideas !!!" ;-) sooo ... WHO'S_NEXT , eh ??? *highly_curious_indeed* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) RE:Klaus Schulze Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:39:42 -0400 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:13:44 +0200 "Fabien Stoffel" writes: > > Hello, > > > Is his music as boring as it was thirty years ago? > > Yes! > > But I actually like Dosburg online. > Have you listened to his "Contemporary Works Vol. 1"? tom w np: namlook & atom heart - jet chamber (fax) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up Date: 12 Jul 2001 13:58:38 -0700 Karlheinz Stockhausen is to perform live 18th October 2001 at the Barbican Centre (London). William Orbit will be performing material especially for this show, Aphex Twin, Talvin Singh & Craig Armstrong will also be performing live which promises to be a memorizing avant-garde evening. Concert tickets for this event are not yet available. BTW, Aphex Twin will release a new double CD right around that time. Enrique np: AT Windowlicker # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SmF2aSBTaW3zbiBSdWJpbw==?=" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 12 Jul 2001 23:27:47 -0000 Cristian Claycomb wrote: >Hi Kwf's, >What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that >makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what >everyone else thinks. > >For me it's several things about Kwk music I really like.... of course it's >electronic music and the odd melodic sound scapes with the driving simple >rythms with the vocoded lyrics ....... and of course the robovoices they >use. Inovation and exploration as well. What's youtr opinions?!?!?!? >MOST_CURIOUS!!! > >Thanx, >Christian >http://www.mp3.com/christianac Well. First I must apologize for my bad english, I hope you understand me. Firstly, I think Kraftwerk sounds define Kraftwerk. This sounds appear clear, clean and new, including rythms and they are totally well balanced in the musical piece. Secondly, I think Kraftwerk include short, fine, and sweet melodies giving life to their songs. Sometimes these melodies are rythm-melodies (e.g. Music-Non-Stop). Lastly, It's obvious that every musical piece is based in a large and hard job, well defined and well terminated. I usually think of KW in my job. It seems as if you work hard and organized, you'll finally obtain a good product. Personally, I think few bands get this. My best regards to KW's. JAVI. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up Date: 12 Jul 2001 20:39:07 -0400 >>> Aphex Twin will release a new double CD right around that time. <<< GOD is finally releasing new shit? Where did you hear this???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up Date: 12 Jul 2001 21:03:17 -0400 > GOD is finally releasing new shit? Where did you hear this???? Peace. Yep. It's called DrukQs (read it out loud for the joke). Here is the track listing: CD1 'Jynweythek Ylow' 'Vordhosbn' 'Kladfvgbung Micshk' 'Omgyjya Switch7' 'Strotha Tynhe' 'Gwely Mernans' 'Bbydhyonchord' 'Cock/ver10' 'Avril 14th' 'Mt Saint Michel Mix+St Michaels Mount' 'Gwarek2' 'Orban Eq Trx4' 'Aussois' 'Hy A Scullyas Lyf A Dhagrow' 'Kesson Daslef' CD2 'Cymru Beats' 'Btoum-Roumada' 'Lornaderek' 'Penty Harmonium' 'Meltphace 6' 'Bit4' 'Prep Gwarlek 3b' 'Father' 'Taking Control' 'Petiatil Cx Htdui' 'Ruglen Holon' 'Afx237 v7' 'Ziggomatic v17' 'Beskhu3epnm' 'Nanou2' The names look like gibberish, but much of it is Cornish for things like "Electronic Machine Music" and "Deathbed". Bless Richard D. James. By the way, there should be a new Aphex single at the end of July. Not from the double album though. Even supposedly "retired" electronic artists are putting out more material than Kraftwerk! -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. Twomey" Subject: (kw) German vinyl still available? Date: 12 Jul 2001 21:24:20 -0400 Could any of you German Kraftwerk authorities tell me if any of their German albums are still in print on vinyl? And provide catalogue numbers? thanks CT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up Date: 12 Jul 2001 21:03:17 -0400 > GOD is finally releasing new shit? Where did you hear this???? Peace. Yep. It's called DrukQs (read it out loud for the joke). Here is the track listing: CD1 'Jynweythek Ylow' 'Vordhosbn' 'Kladfvgbung Micshk' 'Omgyjya Switch7' 'Strotha Tynhe' 'Gwely Mernans' 'Bbydhyonchord' 'Cock/ver10' 'Avril 14th' 'Mt Saint Michel Mix+St Michaels Mount' 'Gwarek2' 'Orban Eq Trx4' 'Aussois' 'Hy A Scullyas Lyf A Dhagrow' 'Kesson Daslef' CD2 'Cymru Beats' 'Btoum-Roumada' 'Lornaderek' 'Penty Harmonium' 'Meltphace 6' 'Bit4' 'Prep Gwarlek 3b' 'Father' 'Taking Control' 'Petiatil Cx Htdui' 'Ruglen Holon' 'Afx237 v7' 'Ziggomatic v17' 'Beskhu3epnm' 'Nanou2' The names look like gibberish, but much of it is Cornish for things like "Electronic Machine Music" and "Deathbed". Bless Richard D. James. By the way, there should be a new Aphex single at the end of July. Not from the double album though. Even supposedly "retired" electronic artists are putting out more material than Kraftwerk! -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Song Title Stories Date: 12 Jul 2001 20:29:14 -0700 (PDT) I am going to try my best at this... It was a hard day werking with "The Robots" I was building. It was was almost Midnight ("Mitternacht"), and had missed my date with "The Model". I came back to my "Ohm Sweet Ohm", and got on the internet to join the "Computer World", and even some "Computer Love" with my date that I missed tonight. I asked her if we could have a Morning Walk ("Morgenspaziergang"), or cruise down the "Autobahn" sometime. She said, 'Sure, When?' I said, 'Not tomorrow, I've got to finish up some "Numbers" to punch into my "Pocket Calculator" for my project.' She said, 'Well maybe after that nice ride, we can do something else' as she laughed. I said, 'I don't want to be your "Sex Object", show some feeling and respect.' She said, 'okay, I'll take the "Trans-Europe Express" on Thursday.' I said, 'Ok, sounds Fine.' Another day at werk passed, and my robots were finished. I rode into the "Metropolis" to get to the club I was making these Robots for. I met the man in charge, and gave him the robots, for a hefty sum of money. The club's name was "Spacelab", it had 2 seperate parts in it. A dancefloor and an "Electric Café". I decided to go outside, because the "Neon Lights" were way too bright for me, and was giving me a headache. The club owner set up the robots in the window, next to what seemed to be a "Hall of Mirrors". The robots got bypassers attentions very quickly. One man said they looked like "Showroom Dummies", but soon you could hear the "Metal on Metal" of the robot dancing in the window. "Music Non Stop" came from the club, as a distinct sound of "Franz Schubert" came on mixed with a "Techno Pop" background. It was getting late, and I headed back home. Thursday came, and my date arrived. I was just done watching the "Tour de France" on the television, as I left. As I drove into the station, I passed the building where the "Expo 2000" was going to be held. It reminded me to check it out. I met her, and we got into my car, and drove the Autobahn at flying speeds. We traveled so far, you could say "Europe (was) Endless". Late night came, and it came for her Departure ("Abzug") back onto the TEE. I drove back, and turned on the radio, and let the "Airwaves" hit the "Antenna" as I drifted off into "Radioland". I suddenly came back into the real world once the "News" came on. They said there was a dangerous "Uranium" leakage in the United States. I pulled up to my house, and went to bed. The End (Sorry for no brief "Intermissions") :) == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Mr. Bartos Date: 12 Jul 2001 20:37:58 -0700 (PDT) A majority said/acted like he sings bad... I don't think so, I enjoy most of his live versions of Kraftwerk songs, and his album songs too. His version of "Computer Love" (Live in Palladium Koln)is better than R+F's "The Mix" version in my opinion. Just by 2 cents :/ == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories Date: 13 Jul 2001 01:01:04 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Omega Chance wrote: > I am going to try my best at this... Applause. There oughtta be a prize for this. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) RE:Klaus Schulze Date: 13 Jul 2001 08:56:18 +0100 Phew! that's a relief, I nearly bought an album of his in a charity shop last week. It was only £1.50, still, that's £1.50 saved to go towards buying the new Kraftwerk album............ahem. Anyway, someone lent me a Klaus Schultz double live album long time ago. It was one of the most brain numbing experiences I can ever remember. Imagine Tangerine Dream without the music. A complete waste of vinyl. Shaun I don't know. I haven't heard it personally. A friend of mine reported about an one-hour-synth-solo ;-) Regards Gunnar Shaun Vaughan wrote: > > Is his music as boring as it was thirty years ago? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roland Metzger" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk-related on German/French TV Chanel tonight.. Date: 13 Jul 2001 13:48:40 +0200 For german-french list members only. Tonight on TV Station Arte a "Backstage" reportage about artist in Slovenia is shown among other stuff= =2E These artists seem to be influenced by KW and Laibach and love German Techno... could be interesting. Gruss Roland FREITAG, 13.7. 19.00-19.45 Arte Tracks (=DCber Jim-Morrison-Kult, die "Jesus-Skins" und germanophilen Techno in Slowenien im Fahrwasser von Kraftwerk und Laibach) or in more detail from the ARTE Website: * No Respect: Hello Kitty Die japanische Spielzeugfirma Sanrio produziert von der rosa Handytasche =FCber den Anspitzer bis hin zum R=FCschen-Regenschirmchen allen denkbare= n Schnickschnack, den die Welt nicht braucht. Gedacht sind die "Hello Kitty= " - Produkte f=FCr kleine M=E4dchen - und das w=E4re auch vollkommen in Ordnu= ng. Aber pl=F6tzlich st=FCrzt sich die gesamte weibliche Weltbev=F6lkerung jenseit= s der Pubert=E4t auf die Accessoires. Das sieht albern aus - und ist es auch. "Tracks" =FCber den neuen "Niedlichkeitswahn". * Tribal: Jesus Skins Jesus Skins. sie sehen aus wie Skins, saufen wie Skins, rocken wie Skins, kloppen sich wie Skins und sind auch welche - allerdings keine Nazis, den= n alle ihre Taten geschehen im Namen des Herren. Kein Witz - es gibt sie wirklich: Jesus Skins - christliche Skins mit dem Wahlspruch "Unser Kreuz braucht keine Haken". "Tracks" mit einem Einblick in eine wahrhaft skurri= le Welt. Na dann: Oi Oi Halleluja. * Dream: The Doors Vor 30 Jahren starb auf mysteri=F6se Weise eine der schillerndsten Ikonen= des Rock 'n' Roll: Mr. Mojo-Risin James Douglas "Jim" Morrison - introvertier= ter Poet und extrovertierter Bewusstseins-Erweiterer, "Lizard King" und Kopf = der legend=E4ren Band "The Doors". "Tracks" =FCber eine der bewegtesten, skandaldurchtr=E4nktesten und k=FCrzesten Karrieren der Musikgeschichte bebildert mit bislang unver=F6ffentlichtem Interview - und Live-Material! * Backstage: Techno in Slowenien Techno in Slowenien. "Tracks" war in Lubiljana und hat rausgefunden, waru= m die Slowenen nicht nur auf deutschen Techno abfahren, sondern auch voller Enthusiasmus selber welchen machen. Einblick in eine skurrile Szene, die sich auf den Spuren von Kraftwerk und Laibach komplett der elektronischen Musik verschrieben hat. * Vibrations: Fr=E9d=E9ric Beigbeder Er war lange Jahre gutbezahlter Werbetexter. St=E4ndig hat er versucht zu provozieren, jede Provokation brachte ihn auf der Karriereleiter nur weit= er nach oben. Jetzt hat er einen Roman ver=F6ffentlicht, der mit den Mitteln= der Werbung genau jene Marktmechanismen entbl=F6=DFt, die die Marketingwelt zusammenhalten. Und weil er in seinem Buch "39,90 DM" etwas zu sehr aus d= em Werber-N=E4hk=E4stchen plaudert, ist Fr=E9d=E9ric Beigbeder inzwischen au= ch tats=E4chlich gefeuert. "Tracks" trifft den "Partisanen der Sch=F6nheit" = in Paris. * Future: R=FCckkehr der Pixel Pixel-Revival. Lange ist=B4s her, da sahen Bilder im Computer grob-pixeli= g und rasterhaft aus, wurden die Sounds der ersten Video-Games von charakteristischen Kling-Klong-Sounds beherrscht. Heute, im Zeitalter der digitalen High-End-Aufl=F6sung, erinnern sich immer mehr Web-Designer und -User sehns=FCchtig an die Zeiten von Atari und Commodore. Die Pixel-=C4sthetik ist wieder da - "Tracks" berichtet =FCber die Nostalgie-= Welle der @-Generation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dirk_Jan_M=FCller?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jul 2001 15:45:32 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFEC18.36397A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable someone wrote : > I saw some Neon Lights on my way home last night. > They were shimmering too. I am living near a Kraftwerk. Radioactivity 24 hours a day... ... yesterday I was driving on the Autobahn and was ruckzuck at home ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFEC18.36397A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFEC18.36397A50-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) OT: Track lengths of Pink Floyd's Dark side of the moon Date: 13 Jul 2001 15:55:13 +0200 Hello, Could anyone please tell me the exact Track lengths of Pink Floyd's Dark side of the moon? Thanx & Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories Date: 13 Jul 2001 16:52:08 +0200 hi kwf's ! Soleil Lapierre wrote : > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Omega Chance wrote: > > > I am going to try my best at this... > > Applause. There oughtta be a prize for this. :) well ... i couldn't agree more to it !!! :-) CHEERS & standin' ovations ( let's get up , y' all !!! ;-) for mr. omega chance !!! *clappin'_enthusiastically* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Song title stories Date: 13 Jul 2001 16:06:51 +0100 Don't forget the inventor. I am like Kraftwerk, I invent the concept, and let others develop it, and sit back and do nothing for ten years... Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E A R T H _" Subject: (kw) sessions on 54th street Date: 13 Jul 2001 15:18:55 -0000 anybody catch david byrne and the orchestra (i forget their name) perform "the model" ??? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) Song title stories Date: 13 Jul 2001 11:37:39 -0400 > Don't forget the inventor. I am like Kraftwerk, I invent the concept, and > let others develop it, and sit back and do nothing for ten years... > > Rob. *ROTFLOL* Well... Kraftwerk did go on tour a few times within that 10 years so when are you hitting the "Autobahn"?!?!?!? ;-) Thanx, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: (kw) sessions on 54th street Date: 13 Jul 2001 11:45:00 -0400 > > anybody catch david byrne and > the orchestra (i forget their name) > perform "the model" ??? > I haven't heard of him doing that before!!! It sounds really interesting.... for some reason I just can't picture David singing "The Model"...... Hmmmmmm...... Is there a recording of this?!?!?! Thanx, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Villarroel" Subject: RE: (kw) sessions on 54th street Date: 13 Jul 2001 11:45:21 -0400 Hola! I have the song in format mp3, orchestra is called 'Balanescu Quartet', it is a very beautiful song with string instruments. pd: is this my first post to list.... after 2 months. greetings, Ricardo from Chile (sorry for my poor english, I speak spanish... :-))))) -----Mensaje original----- De: E A R T H _ Para: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Fecha: Viernes, 13-Julio-2001 11:16 Asunto: (kw) sessions on 54th street > > >anybody catch david byrne and >the orchestra (i forget their name) >perform "the model" ??? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: (kw) Mitternacht Date: 13 Jul 2001 10:08:22 -0600 I couldn't think of what song by KW was called "Midnight." As for oh jay's comprehensive story, I submit as applause the sound of one hand clapping. It reminds me of that Gatsby book where the author didn't use the letter 'e' once. Bix "Gatsby" by Ernest Vincent Wright (but he had to use "e's" for his own damn name.) >oh jay wrote: well ... i was drivin' on the "autobahn" through "metropolis" way past "midnight" , passin' some huge "neon lights" , while i was listenin' to a band called "the robots" on my car's stereo , as i approached an "electric cafe" , (snip) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk-related on German/French TV Chanel tonight.. Date: 13 Jul 2001 20:23:48 +0200 ...later on, there is a documentation about the sportsman Fausto Coppi (cycling): ARTE 22:15 (CET) In the preview, they showed some old black and white cycling-videos, which seemed to be the same which Kraftwerk used for their"Tour de France". So keep watching... Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 19:38:56 +0200 Hello, I just listened to Pink Floyds Dark side of the moon. It's from 1973. And some parts sound really sequenced. But Wolfgang wrote in his book that KW got one of the first sequencers... in 1977 !?? Why did PF have one 4 years earlier, it couldn't have been a question of money, or? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) Klaus Schulze Date: 13 Jul 2001 14:52:36 -0400 > Shaun Vaughan wrote: > > > > Is his music as boring as it was thirty years ago? > Hello Some time back I bought "Babel" by Klaus Schulze and Andreas Grosser (I think that was his name). Despite the track list the entire CD was a single 70min track of unadulterated New Age crap, and despite the extensive list of synths and instruments (vocoder, Jupiter 8s, various Doepfer modules, etc.) the entire thing was piano and an uninteresting synth line that didnt appear to change. Luckily I didnt pay much for it. I really like his album Body Music though. Nice and psychedelic. --Nsw np: Underworld--Pearl's Girl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 19:38:56 +0200 Hello, I just listened to Pink Floyds Dark side of the moon. It's from 1973. And some parts sound really sequenced. But Wolfgang wrote in his book that KW got one of the first sequencers... in 1977 !?? Why did PF have one 4 years earlier, it couldn't have been a question of money, or? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 15:00:25 -0400 I don't believe that sequencers were around back in 1973 (in fact, a highly experienced recording engineer told me so a few days ago). Maybe some experimental prototypes labs, but I don't think that any were used on an actual record. Pink Floyd however did use synthesizers on their records, but as I understand, all of them were played live. Synth parts done in the studio could certainly be looped (tape loops... for example, old delay/echo machines used tape loops). - Oleg Friday, July 13, 2001, 1:38:56 PM, you wrote: FS> I just listened to Pink Floyds Dark side of the moon. It's from FS> 1973. And some parts sound really sequenced. But Wolfgang wrote in FS> his book that KW got one of the first sequencers... in 1977 !?? FS> Why did PF have one 4 years earlier, it couldn't have been a FS> question of money, or? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) Mitternacht Date: 13 Jul 2001 01:46:38 +0100 Hi all, Everything OJ writes reminds me of a life without E - unthinkable ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Mitternacht Date: 13 Jul 2001 22:38:04 +0200 hi kwf's ! ConnectFree wrote : > Everything OJ writes reminds me of a life without E > - unthinkable ;) well ... i dunno about the rest of u , but i can live very healthy & good without takin' drugs , like "E" !!! *LOL* ;-))) p. s. : fyi :"mitternacht" or "midnight" is one of the trax on the original "autobahn" album !!! ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tomasz Kirmuc" Subject: (kw) boring schulze Date: 13 Jul 2001 23:02:57 +0200 well, I have more than 50 CDs of him and I'm not bored at all :-) ---------------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------------- Super tapety na pulpit: http://reklama.interia.pl/promocja/promocja6.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Uberfetus Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 17:40:02 -0400 Sequencers have been around since at least 1971. Pink Floyd used the Synthi-A synth on much of Dark Side, and their model had a built-in sequencer. Parts of the album are indeed sequenced, most notably "On the Run". To be fair to Wolfgang, it was some time before sequencers became common. -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE:sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 17:47:40 EDT --part1_80.d008619.2880c67c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually... what pink floyd used was an EMS Vcs3 and a Synthi A-KS. according to my vintage synthesizers book, the A-KS used "a 2 and a half octave touch-plate keyboard and a 256 event monophonic digital sequencer" these EMS synths are really really cool! you can check them out at www.vintagesynth.com there are even sound clips!! so, i think PF did use this sequencer in '72-'73.. around the same time, all those monstrous modular systems like moog and arp had monophonic sequencers.. --part1_80.d008619.2880c67c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually...
    what pink floyd used was an EMS Vcs3 and a Synthi A-KS. according to my
vintage synthesizers book, the A-KS used "a 2 and a half octave touch-plate
keyboard and a 256 event monophonic digital sequencer" these EMS synths are
really really cool! you can check them out at www.vintagesynth.com
there are even sound clips!!
    so, i think PF did use this sequencer in '72-'73.. around the same time,
all those monstrous modular systems like moog and arp had monophonic
sequencers.. --part1_80.d008619.2880c67c_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) RE:sequencers Date: 14 Jul 2001 01:15:08 +0200 > actually... > what pink floyd used was an EMS Vcs3 and a Synthi A-KS. according to my > vintage synthesizers book, the A-KS used "a 2 and a half octave touch-plate > keyboard and a 256 event monophonic digital sequencer" these EMS synths are > really really cool! They are indeed, and what's even better - they're still available new! Have a look at www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk > so, i think PF did use this sequencer in '72-'73.. around the same time, > all those monstrous modular systems like moog and arp had monophonic > sequencers.. Moog already in the sixties. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) (OT) Jean Michel Jarre's DVD Date: 13 Jul 2001 16:35:14 -0700 Hi werkers, I've just bought Jean Michel Jarre's DVD 'Oxygene Moscow'. The 60 min. concert is pretty firework-ish and laser-harp-ish as one might expect, but the real gem of this DVD IMHO, is the 53 min. documentary at the end of the concert, called: 'Making the Steamroller Fly', where JMJ, his band mates, his ex-wife and even his mother! tell a few anecdotes about Jarre's beginnings, early influences, their concert experiences in China, where I saw him walking down to the audience and letting them play with his handy synth (1981) they were going nuts over it! in Houston; La Defense in Paris and Docklands in London. There's some very welcomed footage of those concerts. Jean Michel even pays a visit to the good old Theremin's studio-lab in Russia. He looks like a kid in a candy store. He gets so excited in there, you can almost see him cry. And, yes, he does play that instrument and yes, you'll even see him playing it live on that Moscow concert (Oxygene 10, I think...). Pretty nice stuff. It was quite a treat for me to see the man behind Oxygene and Equinoxe, two of my favorite records of all time, telling me his experiences with music like if we were sitting outside some Starbucks Cafe. Quite intimate and friendly. Great appreciation for the fans. Something us, Kraftwerk devotees, will probably never see coming out of frozen cold Kling Klang. Enrique. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 17:01:58 -0700 (PDT) I think money was somewhat a factor in Kraftwerk not having one for a while. Ralf and Florian I dont know about, but Wolfgang was still paying off equipment he used when with the Spirits of Sound in early 70's. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Tour de France Date: 13 Jul 2001 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Tour de France ended today. I wonder if Kraftwerk was watching. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tom weibrecm weibrecht Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 20:54:37 -0400 On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:38:56 +0200 "Fabien Stoffel" writes: > > Hello, > I just listened to Pink Floyds Dark side of the moon. It's from > 1973. And > some parts sound really sequenced. But Wolfgang wrote in his book > that KW > got one of the first sequencers... in 1977 !?? Why did PF have one 4 > years > earlier, it couldn't have been a question of money, or? > Greets, > Fabien talent maybe? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) Tour de France Date: 14 Jul 2001 01:02:52 -0000 Tour de France ended today. I wonder if Kraftwerk was watching. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** eh?? it's still got more than two weeks... and I think Jan Ullrich will win ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josef Gabler" Subject: Re: (kw) German vinyl still available? Date: 14 Jul 2001 03:11:32 +0200 newpower@interlog.com schreibte: =20 > >Could any of you German Kraftwerk authorities tell me if any of their >German albums are still in print on vinyl? And provide catalogue numbers= ? "Still in print" are the well-known bootlegs (fe: Autobahn, Made in Mexik= o - [hahaha]). And, I=B4m sure, that in some countrys are any of their records (Autobahn= , Man Machine) are available on Vinyls (Fame), but "still in print?" =20 > >thanks >CT Regards ---joseph > =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Modular77@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE sequencers Date: 13 Jul 2001 21:21:38 EDT --part1_9b.17d1132e.2880f8a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in response to: Moog already in the sixties. see!!!! ;D --part1_9b.17d1132e.2880f8a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in response to:
Moog already in the sixties.



see!!!! ;D
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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France Date: 13 Jul 2001 19:49:21 -0700 (PDT) I must have misheard the television. ^_^;;;;; --- "ian tyson" > wrote: >eh?? it's still got more than two weeks... and I think Jan Ullrich will win == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 14 Jul 2001 08:55:29 +0200 hi kwf's ! Fabien Stoffel wrote : > Why did PF have one 4 years earlier, > it couldn't have been a question of money, or? tom weibrecm weibrecht replied : > talent maybe? erm ... please excuse me , mate , but WHAT_THE_HECK has this to do with "talent" , eh ??? *slightly_puzzled_look* ?-o well ... it seems that certain people on this list are a lil' bit confused lately !? *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: K.R.A.F.T.W.E.R.K. (was: (kw) boring schulze) Date: 14 Jul 2001 08:55:00 +0200 Keiner rafft, angesichts fehlender Themen, was eigentlich richtig kränkt. (Translation: Nobody realizes, considering missing topics, what actually really hurts.) Gunnar Tomasz Kirmuc schrieb: > > well, I have more than 50 CDs of him and I'm not bored at all :-) > > -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Jean Michel Jarre's DVD Date: 14 Jul 2001 10:10:57 +0200 hi kwf's ! Enrique Correa wrote : > Something us, Kraftwerk devotees, will probably never see > coming out of frozen cold Kling Klang. well ... while wolfgang WAS "a robot" when he's played with kw , karl only seems to "imitate" ol' kw "stuff" badly by now ( IMHO_!!! ;-) & ralf has become "A_REAL_ROBOT" ... after all those years !!! *sigh* :-o emil once was "the ( nearly ;-) invisible 5th member" , while fritz & henning are only "showroom dummies" on stage & "robots" in the studio !!! *sighs_again* :-o only "don" schneider a.k.a. "fred schnitzel" seems to have a kind of weird humor ... jus' like me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : i suppose that it's indeed time for some more "solo projects" of ex-kw members ... or even its founders !!! *sly_grin* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) German vinyl still available? Date: 14 Jul 2001 11:44:13 +0200 > >Could any of you German Kraftwerk authorities tell me if any of their > >German albums are still in print on vinyl? No, I think you'll find the reprints from 1993 (?), but I shouldn't be a problem to find Kraftwerk Vinyl in Germany. Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Sequencers Date: 14 Jul 2001 11:46:35 +0200 Oleg Rekutin schrieb am 13.07.2001 21:00 Uhr MEZ: > > I don't believe that sequencers were around back in 1973 (in fact, a > highly experienced recording engineer told me so a few days ago). > Maybe some experimental prototypes labs, but I don't think that any > were used on an actual record. An analogue sequencer was one of the first devices Bob Moog constructed for his modular Moog. Must have been around 1965. Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plutarch@thehelm.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France Date: 14 Jul 2001 23:31:33 -0500 >>I think Jan Ullrich will win Is KW playing from the Telekom bus? Are they broadcasting "Tour de France= " to the Telekom riders inbetween transmissions while riding? Is Richard Vi= renque doing the vocals in French? Is one of the podium girls from the Vuelta do= ing the Spanish vocals on Sex Object? Is Kevin Livingston doing so badly beca= use he does not fit in the Telekom Man-Machine? "I program cyclo-computer." ________________________________________ Get your free email at www.friendlyemail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) Sequenzer Date: 15 Jul 2001 07:28:34 +0200 Hi Jan, it was my partner Hajo und me, who built that Synthanorma-Sequenzer for Kraftwerk. Sure there were sequencers before, but none with switches to programm the complete sequence in seconds. And that was the fact to make it suitable for pop and performance. If you like, please have a look to my website and you will find more details under: http://www.elektropolis.de/ssb_vorgeschichte3.htm Best regards Dirk Matten ex Synthesizerstudio Bonn, Matten & Wiechers ______________________________________________________________________________ Fast alle Fluege koennen Ihnen egal sein. Einer nicht: Ihrer! Flug.de hat ihn: http://flug.de/sb/?PP=0-5-100-105-6 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Cherryhomes Subject: (kw) Sequencers Date: 15 Jul 2001 01:14:25 -0500 I'm sorry, after following this post, I had to comment.... Sequencers were around during the late 1960s. Bob Moog had his Moog 960 Sequential Controller as part of his early modular synths as early as 1965.... And does nobody seem to remember that the Buchla Model 100s had at LEAST one sequencer? (Morton Sobotnick was an avid user of the Buchla and it's sequencers, using multiple sequencers to control, not only pitch, amplitude, and filter, but also spatial panning within the mix as well! Listen to Silver Apples of the Moon!) Or what about the 10-step sequencer that was an integral part of most ARP (Tonus) 2500 configurations, as early as 1969? (anyone remember the sequencer in Close Encounters, btw? that was an arp 2500 being played by its creator, Phil Dobbs, head engineer for ARP.) :-) And let's not even go with Dr. Zeinoveiff and David Cockrell's work at EMS. Heh, they had sequencers that did 128 steps back in 1971! With double that with the Sequencer 256 in 1972. Granted, all these sequential controllers had one thing in common.... THEY WERE EXPENSIVE. It wasn't until the mid-1970s when companies like Sequential Circuits produced the first commercially viable sequencers, such as the Sequential 800 (this was in 1975, several years before Sequential Circuits even thought of making their most widely known synthesizer, the Prophet-5). It's also worth noting that the Sequential 700 programmer also made a damn fine addition to any Minimoog or like synth (although it could only really be used well on MiniMoogs or synths which had been modified with an Amplitude CV jack)....anyway, I digress. now, the sequencers that kraftwerk used....that's somewhat of a different story.... Like Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk outsourced to other companies to develop their sequencers (although TD did use the Moog 960 sequential controller quite heavily, they wanted more synchronized control than the 960 could provide, not to mention better tuning!)... Kraftwerk turned to Matten & Weichers to build huge 32 step sequencers (god only knows how many busses the sequencers had, on stage footage I saw at least two)..Those took time to develop :-) and it's kind of funny that they didn't really replace them in their studio until their digital retrofitting which started around the time of Computerworld... And TD Turned to Projekt-Elektronik for all sorts of sequencer gadgetry.... I wonder if either of them are still around? probably not. Some food for thought :-) Thom Cherryhomes (aka TSCHAK on GimpNET IRC) -- Free software developer, hacker, sound synthesist, and a devoted Kraftwerk Fan :-) -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: plutarch@thehelm.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France Date: 15 Jul 2001 01:44:15 -0500 >>>I think Jan Ullrich will win > >Are they broadcasting "Tour de France" to the Telekom riders >inbetween transmissions while riding? Jan Ullrich listens to Kraftwerk during stage 6 saying the words of "Tour= de France" to himself: http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/jul01/tdf2/AFPullrich_6.shtml Is Kraftwerk going to stop using Oakley frames and start using Rudy Proje= cts? (Or is Telekom going to stop using Rudy Projects and start using Oakleys?= ) ________________________________________ Get your free email at www.friendlyemail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: (kw) Neon lights Date: 15 Jul 2001 09:25:43 +0200 Apparently the new album by Simple Minds is a covers album. Called Neon Lights. Featuring a cover version of said song. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: loop de loop http://www.flipflopflyin.com in an aeroplane :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: Aphex Twin (was RE: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up) Date: 15 Jul 2001 11:19:36 +0200 Enrique Correa wrote: > Karlheinz Stockhausen is to perform live 18th October 2001 at the Barbican > Centre (London). William Orbit will be performing material especially for > this show, Aphex Twin, Talvin Singh & Craig Armstrong will also be > performing live which promises to be a memorizing avant-garde evening. > Concert tickets for this event are not yet available. > BTW, Aphex Twin will release a new double CD right around that time. In NME Richard D. James said he'd retired after Windowlicker, he talks about he'd only be djing, soon after he said he'd release some stuff later. I suppose that it's bad for him to think about people waiting for his next record because of the pressure he might feel that might just stop his creative flow a bit. Mmm..., that sounds me so familiar! :-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories Date: 15 Jul 2001 13:16:18 -0000 OK, this is my effort. Every KW song since Autobahn and all in order! I was driving down the “autobahn", when I heard a strange sound. I stopped the car and got out to listen. There was a meteor shower in the sky, and a passing comet made a strange tuneful noise. Then ten minutes later another one passed playing a different melody. “Comet Melody 1” was rather sinister, but “Comet Melody 2” seemed quite tuneful. It was now nearly “midnight” so I headed back home thinking how lucky I was to witness this strange phenomenon. Next day I headed back to the same location for my early “morning walk”. There seemed to be quite a lot of cosmic debris lying around and a group of scientists were studying it with a “Geiger counter”. It seemed they could detect strong traces of “radioactivity”. The place was cordoned off and declared a No Go area, the locals now refer to it as “Radio Land”. The incident was never broadcast on the “airwaves”, not even during the “intermission” between local “news”, and the weather forecast. New age hippies started to frequent the area claiming it was a message from another world. They referred to one of the large meteorites as “The Voice of Energy” and tried to communicate with it using a large “antenna”. The commune that sprung up became increasingly weird and chose to be known as “The Radio Stars”. Local people feared for their safety as it was rumoured that there were dangerous “uranium” deposits in the area. This did not seem to bother the cult who were now growing in number and holding rituals around the large meteorite. One of the cult was known as the Trance-Brother, and he led the rituals with a young woman called the “Trans-sistor” (sorry). They all stood in a circle chanting “ohm sweet ohm- ohm sweet 0hm”. This was just getting to weird and too busy, I decided to head off across Europe in search of some sanity. It was a long journey, “Europe endless” so it seemed. One day I came across a fair ground. In need of some fun, I took a walk through the “hall of mirrors”. As I studied my hideously distorted body in the mirror I could see reflected in the background two young ladies at the opposite end of the room. Although their images were distorted, I could make out that they were probably quite attractive young ladies. I did not turn to look at them but instead I watched the mirror for a while, amusing myself by guessing what they really looked like. When I did eventually turn round, I realised that the (potential) objects of my desire were two “showroom dummies”. As I was supposed to be trying to get away from weird happenings, I said to myself, enough, lets move on”. I boarded the “Trans Europe Express” heading towards France. As the train “departed “(abzug) I listened to the “metal on metal” as the train rolled over the track. I was pleased to be on the move again and hummed a “Franz Schubert“ melody before falling into what seemed like an “endless endless” sleep. I arrived in Paris in the midst of a science fiction festival. People dressed like robots, and alien costumes in abundance. It was like being back at home again. “The robots” walked mechanically over to me and presented me with complimentary cinema tickets. I went to the cinema kiosk that was decorated like the inside of a “space lab” with a beautiful celebrity model wearing a silver suit. A ticket to see Fritz Lang's “Metropolis” was handed to me by “the model”. I went into the auditorium, which was lit by small “neon lights”, and there on the screen was the” man machine” from Lang’s classic film. The science fiction festival also housed a large cybercafe promoted as the “Computer World”. I used my “pocket calculator “to convert the currency, and the “numbers” confirmed that I could defiantly afford the admission charge. So I entered “Computer World 2” check my email (ouch). I was soon distracted by the interactive “Computer Love” facilities. I met a beautiful young woman who told me how she was lonely and lived a quiet life in a small French town, and would love to meet me. I thought, I really must upgrade my “homecomputer,” “it’s more fun to compute” when you have the latest interactive technology! I left the festival and headed for downtown Paris. The “Tour De France” had just ended that day, and the city was busy and in a carnival mood. I heard the loud “Boing Boom Tchack” of music pounding from the discos, buskers in the street, from accordions to “techno pop” it was “music-non-stop” throughout the city. I went to a phone booth to make a “telephone call” home. Inside the booth there were adverts for prostitutes, and massage parlours. One of the cards had in bright pink lettering “I want to be your “Sex Object”” and the woman in the picture was the supposedly quiet, lonely French girl I met at the Computer world’s “Electric Cafe”. I was in a state of shock. I started to think of all the strange events that had occurred since the night I had been driving home hearing the comets on the autobahn, the radioactivity, the robots, my computer love experience.... it just became one confused “mix.” I went mad and ran into the streets shouting Expo 2000!!!!!!! And I have never worked since. ... now I'll get on with something more constructive, ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories Date: 15 Jul 2001 15:53:19 +0200 hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote : > OK, this is my effort. > Every KW song since Autobahn and all in order! *WOW* !!! >:-O honestly , i'm deeply impressed by your story & i also suppose that NO-ONE can or will beat u anymore !!! *very_sincere_smile* :-))) so i think that we can finally announce the "winners" of this lil' "contest" : 1.) ian tyson 2.) omega chance 3.) oh jay ;-) CONGRATULATIONS to ian & omega !!! *G+* ;-) > I went mad and ran into the streets shouting > Expo 2000!!!!!!! And I have never worked since. *ROTFLAMO* ;-))) well ... let's all hope that kw won't take this seriously & indeed stopped werkin' !!! *a_lil_bit_worried_look* :-o > ... now I'll get on with something more constructive, what can be more KonstruKtive , than writin' such a great story , eh ??? *XLG* ;-))) however ... lots of thanx to ian & omega , for contributin' their wonderful stories & cheers 'n' greetinx to y' all !!! *thankful_'n'_happy_smile* :-))) oh jay - "the 3rd" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Sequenzer Date: 15 Jul 2001 11:48:50 -0400 >Hi Jan, >it was my partner Hajo und me, who built that=20 >Synthanorma-Sequenzer for Kraftwerk. Sure there were sequencers=20 >before, but none with switches to programm the complete sequence=20 >in seconds. And that was the fact to make it suitable for pop=20 >and performance. >If you like, please have a look to my website and you will find=20 >more details under: http://www.elektropolis.de/ssb_vorgeschichte3.htm > >Best regards > >Dirk Matten >ex Synthesizerstudio Bonn, Matten & Wiechers Wow!! =3D:-0=20 Hey thank you for taking the time to post that answer!!! :-) It isn't = very often we are so fortunate to have someone that werked so close to = Kraftwerk post here!!!! I just wish there was an english version to your = web site! Well... maybe I can give bable fish a try huh!! *LOL* So your = work had to contibute to modern sequencers huh!?!?!=20 Many thanx from a Kraftwerk fan..... Great werk!!! =20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France Date: 15 Jul 2001 18:15:31 -0700 (PDT) I say the same thing to myself when I cycling...wow. --- plutarch@thehelm.com > wrote: >Jan Ullrich listens to Kraftwerk during stage 6 saying the words of "Tour >de France" to himself == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 16 Jul 2001 02:11:49 -0000 Cristian Claycomb wrote: What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what everyone else thinks. To define KW's music. It is unique. Well that's the short answer. If you ask me what other artists I like I could say for example, Richard Wagner, Mouse on Mars, Laibach, Alan Vega, Nils Aslak Vaalkepaa, Johnny Cash, Velvet Underground... to name a few. This does not mean that I like most music. Quite the opposite. Liking Wagner does not mean I like all operas, liking Johnny Cash does not mean I like all Country music. If you ask me if I am an opera, country, rock or indie fan I couldn't really say. All of the people mentioned above are innovators. They were inventors of new values that other people copied or developed further. And this is exactly what KW are, creators, innovators, inventors. Incidentally I don't have any interest in Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, Soft Cell etc.. So basically I am attracted to artists with truly original ideas. Of course music is about feeling, and to be original does not necessarily mean good art. The difference between an original idea and a gimmick is this: (IMHO) a gimmick is the art of representing or repackaging a familiar product or idea (politicians and popstars are masters of this), an original idea is something that has never been presented before. KW certainly presented a new concept in creating music. So what I like about KW's music is best answered by explaining why I like original ideas. And what makes an original idea good art. Creating an original idea is preceded by identifying a need or desire that remains unfulfilled. This is true of all inventions, the telephone to allow people to communicate over long distance, the pocket calculator to enable fast and accurate processing of financial administration. In music and art it means expressing something that has not never been successfully expressed before (Van Gough's passion for colour in landscape, Hank William's and the emotions of the simple country man). Good art is never fully understood. You should never fully understand why you like something that stirs your emotions. If it feels right, then it is right. Why do people like sad films... not because it makes them happy? It is because it communicates in a way that is not fully understood by the observer. KW expresses a passion and an appreciation of modern life and technology. They see in a pocket calculator what Van Gough saw in a landscape. Elements I like about KWs music To say I like KW because they play good melodies or have cool electronic sounds and a great image, would simply not be adequate. But these are elements I like. For me personally, I have never been comfortable with the egotistical exuberance in American and British rock music. I loved punk music when it came out. It was not egocentric, just raw emotion. I like a lot of dance music because.... it feels good (Donna Summer - I Feel Love, how do you explain that?) some Country and Western because they don't care if it is over-sentimental- well that is real life, a cliché becomes a cliché usually because it is true. Anyway... KW. One of the fundamental elements I like about their music is that it is German, that is to say not American. It is introverted, rather than extrovert like rock'n'roll. One of my favourite albums is Possessed by the Balanescu Quartet, which features 5 cover versions of KW songs played on violins, cello and viola. The Romanian composer Alexander Balanescu has seen beyond the packaging of KW and managed to develop a new presentation for what is essentially good music. KW's music is rooted in German/European history but modern in its context and presentation. Note the amount of Pre World War 2 imagery in KW's artwork. Someone once said they had an "antique vision of the future". ... and another thing... Incidentally, I know there are mixed feelings about Afrika Baambaataa's Planet Rock among the list members. To me Baambaabata is also an innovator and this was not understood by KW. KW were Germans creating the ambience of Dusseldorf, this required not only a new approach to making music, but also the development of new instruments. Baambaata was an Afro-American in New York celebrating the spirit of Zulu culture in an urban context. This also required new instruments; pre-recorded music. To sue Baambaataa was like copywritting musical notes and chords. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:24:13 -0600 (MDT) > Cristian Claycomb wrote: > > What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that > makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what > everyone else thinks. That's easy: It's good. It was the first good music, and it's still high amongst the best. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Hmmm...whats funny is: At first I didn't like all of Kraftwerk's songs once I bought my first KW album (The Mix). I liked like 3 tracks and that was it (Robots, Radioactivity, Computer Love). But for some reason, I kept going back to the store and buying more albums. I sort of "learned" to like all of their material. I became interested in what the older versions sounded like compared to the re-vamped ones. Now, I can listen to 'The Mix' and listen to all the songs, and like it. In fact, in the beginning, I was less interested in the music than the group itself. They amazed me on how good they sounded, but kept so mysterious. I always wanted to know more about them. Maybe Kraftwerk's mysteriousity is infact a good thing after all. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:36:22 -0700 (PDT) I always liked the old version of the Autobahn. It sounds like a masterpiece. I especially like the echoing on "Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl". It just sounds so perfect. The timeless-ness of the "Fahr'n's" and how the radio squeaks qhen Ralf is still singing. The flute and the tinkling near the end. Its just a great song. The new one however, loses the echo, the weak voice on the "Fahr'n's", The radio seaking when Ralf is singing, and the flutes/tinkles! I dont care for the yodling bit either. So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 16 Jul 2001 01:06:06 EDT I definitely prefer the original version of Autobahn. For a long time I only knew the Mix version, so I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up the old album. I enjoyed the vocoder part at the end of the Mix version, but for me it was never worth listening to the music that preceded it just to get to that part. Sam Omega@herzeleid.net writes: << I always liked the old version of the Autobahn. It sounds like a masterpiece. I especially like the echoing on "Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl". It just sounds so perfect. The timeless-ness of the "Fahr'n's" and how the radio squeaks qhen Ralf is still singing. The flute and the tinkling near the end. Its just a great song. The new one however, loses the echo, the weak voice on the "Fahr'n's", The radio seaking when Ralf is singing, and the flutes/tinkles! I dont care for the yodling bit either. So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? == *************** * omegaChance * *************** >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Elektrokinetic Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:16:01 +0100 Hello kw's Put me out of my misery. What is Elektrokinetic, and does anyone have it? Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 16 Jul 2001 11:37:41 +0100 Both versions have their own charms but I do love the vocoder harmonies on the Mix version. I recently bought the CD, Concert Classics (early 70's recording) where they perform the old version live. I was surprised at the quality of this recording and how well they performed it live. Shaun I definitely prefer the original version of Autobahn. For a long time I only knew the Mix version, so I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up the old album. I enjoyed the vocoder part at the end of the Mix version, but for me it was never worth listening to the music that preceded it just to get to that part. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 16 Jul 2001 17:46:22 +0200 hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote : > To define KW's music. > > It is unique. Well that's the short answer. [ skipped the rest of ian's rather eloquent description of why he like's kw's music ] fyi : i couldn't agree more to it !!! > ... and another thing... [ also skipped the main part ] > To sue Baambaataa was like > copywritting musical notes and chords. *hehehe* ;-))) yep , that's "write" !!! *slyest_grin* ;-) but what i actually like most about this sentence is ian's misspellin' of the word "copyRIGHTing" !!! *XLG* ;-))) "copyWRITING" is indeed what most of today's music producers do ... & therefore we really don't have much "original" music anymore !!! *sighs_deeply* :-o anyway ... the real innovators are those , who try to discover A_SOURCE , AN_ORIGIN ... & not those , who wander around the "main-stream" , jus' pickin' up "things" ( i. e. sounds , colors , shapes , etc. ) & find themselves swimmin' in the big pond of the music industry to SELL their produkts !!! *grim* :-/ so STOP "copyWRITING" & START "ORIGINating" somethin' , fellows !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 16 Jul 2001 19:05:34 +0200 hi kwf's ! Omega Chance asked : > So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? i personally also prefer "the old autobahn" ... & also "the old computer love" , because i'm somehow "a nostalgic jerk" !!! *BWG* ;-))) btw : u still CAN'T "digitalize" nostalgia !!! *sly_grin* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) BOING BOOM TSCHAK!!! Date: 16 Jul 2001 19:40:56 +0100 Hello kw's Boing Boom Tschak!! http://www.kraftwerk.com Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) BOING BOOM TSCHAK!!! Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:30:02 EDT --part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In einer eMail vom 16.7.2001 20:46:43 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzei schreibt robert_evans1@hotmail.com: > Boing Boom Tschak!! > hehehe...funny! MfG Carsten Bolte. Kiel. --part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In einer eMail vom 16.7.2001 20:46:43 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzei schreibt
robert_evans1@hotmail.com:


Boing Boom Tschak!!

hehehe...funny!

MfG

Carsten Bolte. Kiel.
--part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE) Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:38:30 -0700 The "elektronic" concerts held at the Barbican Centre in London, between 13th-18th October will include nights with Talvin Singh, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Irmin Schmidt & Kumo, William Orbit, Jon Hassell & Craig Armstrong, and Aphex Twin. Concert tickets for this event will be available from Friday 20th July. More details will follow soon. Enrique np: Richard D James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 17 Jul 2001 04:46:59 -0500 First of all, I'm curious: Most of you know that the harmony singing on the Mix's "Autobahn" was not produced by a vocoder? It was rather created by vocal synthesis software. However, I'm sure the principles of the modulation, transforms, and such are similar in relation. I must say, I think that singing part is a great moment in techno music--a electronic choir of sorts. I don't know how it fits within the Autobahn context, but it is certainly definitive of the early prophetically named "machine-music." It's damn appropriate for "The Robots" and somewhat humorous with the "It's More Fun to Compute" section later on the album. And I'm sure some of you on the list will cringe when I mention how a computer states, in Japanese, it's the OPERATOR with ITS pocket-calculator. Kraftwerk must have known that only the Japanese were capable of realizing this truth... of course, I'm joking... just trying to shake a few heads. I don't quite see any clear views of why which version is "better." Seems to me, often without a clear and logical approach, one finds oneself being hypocritical. What I mean is: no one has really mentioned too much that one version had that the other one was lacking in some form or other. It's not like anyone is stating which one was is crappy; no one has admitted that they totally dislike the other "Autobahn." To say the early "Autobahn" sounds like masterpiece without strong support is a pretty weak reason for one version to be "better." Personally, I think saying a song sounds like a masterpiece because it contains flutes, has multiple solos, changes tempo, and is over twenty minutes long is artistically and stereotypically biased. If Florian had whipped out his Bassoon, would the song have been any more of a "masterpiece?" How is a radio-sounding effect anymore artistic than supposedly yodeling computers? The way I see it, Kraftwerk must have already come to the realization of the ever growing impatient album listener. I doubt that they didn't have a Mix version that pushed twenty minutes. Obviously for some on the list, even the something like seven minutes is too long to wait through (i.e. to get to the synthesized vocal parts). I suppose it's only fair to admit that statement indirectly speaks well of the earlier and enormous "Autobahn." I would contrast the two by comparing individual aspects. For example, does anyone else agree that the vocals on the old version are rather weak and almost childlike (even compared to the vocals on the Radioactivity album)? Of course, this notion is understandable; to my knowledge, this song was one of the first attempts of Kraftwerk, a solely instrumental group, to write and sing lyrics. Funny I mention Huetter's singing, as I didn't want any part of the past Huetter/Bartos comparison argument. From a musician's standpoint, the early "Autobahn" has noticeable breaks and certain musical flaws. A clear example of a break is late in the song, right at the cut to the slowly sung part. Whereas, I believe some of these breaks to be intentional, this particular one was probably attributed by the use of crude analog equipment and poor mixing (adjoining the two, I'm sure recorded on different takes, movements together). Other more subtle examples of these seem to me more musically disastrous... notice at times when the music stops how, although keeping the same tempo, the beats are not in sync when the music restarts... resulting in adding a minute pause or perhaps fractional beat. As any knowledged musician would know (try writing the time signature for those flukes on sheet music or tracking it), small mistakes like that are more so felt by and throw the listener. It's comparable to a person who stutters. I would say that the early "Autobahn" has at least one thing over the later one: I enjoy how the vocals are dubbed. To me, multiple singers represent the nature of the lyrics well... isn't it plural in form? "We're going going going..." I'll admit as well, I think the original did a better job at synthesizing the sound of cars and such. But Hey! The Mix's version has real samples! I think the overall dynamics of the vocoded sung "Autobahn" part are better than the Mix's. I'll say now, I don't like either "Autobahn" better than the other. I enjoy them about the same. However, I know which one I play to impress my non-Kraftwerk listening friends (speaks for itself)... I, like Omega, used the Mix as a vent into the rest of Kraftwerk's material. ...and Hey! Kraftwerk has always stretched their necks out for the latest in technology to play with... What says they wouldn't have adopted the equipment used for the Mix on the original "Autobahn" if they had it? So... let's not contradict ourselves. btw: u still CAN'T "analogize(!?! you mean digitize)" nostalgia either, OJ!!! ;-) -then what can you do? makes me wonder... do our minds store our memories (nostalgically or not) in a considered analog form or some other strange and crazy way... Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lemmens Geert Subject: (kw) kw.com update Date: 17 Jul 2001 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT) maybe this is old news for most of you but for those like me who didn't already discover it: there are two new features on kraftwerk.com the first one "boing boom tchak" is a little bit like the other flashanimations but the "music non stop" thing is just amazing (and great background music to: music non stop in a smooth more modernsounding way) SkY ===== http://dertaschenrechner.tux.nu "The Angels said it is God's creation. The Gods said it was a strange coincidence." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Date: 17 Jul 2001 17:09:34 -0000 Oh Jay wrote: >but what i actually like most about this sentence is ian's misspellin' >of >the word "copyRIGHTing" !!! *XLG* ;-))) ...OH BUGGER!!!!! ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 17 Jul 2001 19:39:50 +0200 On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:36:22 -0700 (PDT), Omega Chance wrote: >So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? same. It's the unperfections of the original Autobahn track that give this charming side. On "The mix" it really sounds too sequenced / programmed. Well, it's the same problem with all the tracks on "The mix" , but songs like "Robots" or "Pocket Calculator" are better suitable for a sequenced / programmed version . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah... Date: 17 Jul 2001 12:46:36 -0700 While R&F give us nothing to be jolly about, except for some recycled stuff from Electric Cafe on kw.com, Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play keyboards. Is this the wave of the future? Will this become a primate world, instead of a computer world? After all, most people think we come from them. Anyway... if you want to find out more about this, go to: http://www.vh1.com/thewire/content/news/1445116.jhtml Enrique. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human as well Date: 17 Jul 2001 21:33:41 -0000 I just bought I Was A Robot, which I read quickly as it's easy reading. I must say, it's really amazing, because Wolfgang Fluer tells of his life, and it's so HUMAN. Not like previous biographys, this tells of his upbringing, his masturbation to The Who, girls he was involved with, an Austrian male actor coming on to him, his life and feelings in KW, and maybe it's a 2nd edition as it tells of the legal battle with KW. I really cannot recommend it any more than by saying 'you need this book'. But to read just how vindictive, nasty and downright petty Ralf and Florian (especially Ralf so to read) have been to him and how nasty they have treated him. Before the book was launched, Wolfgang's legal problems were known, I wished him well when he was still emailing through Markus Schmidt, and he had the decency to reply and to visit my site http://www.mattwerk.com and sign my guestbook. But now I have read the book, how he was given legal demandings and documents because they weren't all too happy with whatever he was saying (I couldn't find offensive stuff), how they removed Fluer and Bartos from some new pressings of CD albums (remember TDF rerelease, with new faces painted on there? Well they omitted names from eg. TMM), how they've just cast him and Karl as 'collaborators' when they did so much for the group, it really gripped my emotions. As for Emil Schult having the odd concern about the book (don't know why as Wolfgang praises him), I don't know why but I hope they made up because they seem good friends. But also, certain aspects of his upbringing and early adulcy I could relate to as well and agreed with lots of his thoughts and have felt some of his thoughts myself. Shame I never had the same musical talent! So Wolfgang, if you're reading this, then I wish you only the best, that you enjoy life, that Yamo does well and you deserve so much more credit than being a 'collaborator'. And you still have the 'halo' on my website. As long as the website shall last. Regards, Matthew Dean http://www.mattwerk.com (visited by Karl and Wolfgang, but Klaus Dinger declined to link his name to KW, still got an email from him though) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human as well Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:23:15 -0700 Matthew Dean wrote: > I just bought I Was A Robot [...] I really cannot recommend it > any more than by saying 'you need this book'. But to read > just how vindictive, nasty and downright petty Ralf and Florian > (especially Ralf so to read) have been to him and how > nasty they have treated him. I agree with you Matt, in fact, Ralf's stated somewhere that Kraftwerk was always a DUO, with "many" collaborators, so many in fact, that he even forgot each of their names. I'm not making this up. Even when they were on tour, R&F stayed on different (read better) hotels than their 'collaborators'. They had the money, the power, and it showed. When you consider yourself to be part of a team, you have no idea how frustrating that is. Wolfgang and Karl were always left out on the cold, specially when it came to share KW's wealth. They never had a clue of how much KW made on a tour or a record. They were just paid the same lousy salary, no matter how big KW's earnings were. I would it done the same exact thing that Karl and Wolfgang did. Quit. As Matt said: 'you need this book', so if you don't have it, go get it already and stop venerating Herr Ralf. Don't get me wrong, I love KW's music, but when it comes to personalities, Ralf's makes my top ten worst of all time with flying colors! Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Cherryhomes Subject: (kw) Versions of Autobahn Date: 17 Jul 2001 18:07:25 -0500 Am I the only one who likes the live version of Autobahn that was played throughout the Computerworld tour? :-) -Thom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah... Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:16:36 -0700 (PDT) I was gonna post that. You beat me to it. ---------------- >While R&F give us nothing to be jolly about, except for some recycled stuff >from Electric Cafe on kw.com, Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play >keyboards. Is this the wave of the future? Will this become a primate world, >instead of a computer world? After all, most people think we come from them. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Versions of Autobahn Date: 17 Jul 2001 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Ack! I hate when people change the topic name, when the original suites the email just fine. Anyway, I really like the Computer World tour one (At least I think I have it...its from London in 1981, so I assume it is), because it's uptempo, and sounds not bad at all. I still prefer the original Autobahn, though. --- Thomas Cherryhomes > wrote: > >Am I the only one who likes the live version of Autobahn that was played >throughout the Computerworld tour? :-) > >-Thom == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 18 Jul 2001 00:37:59 -0000 I can't say which one I prefer. The Mix version is the one I listen to most often, that's all. I like the live versions I have from 1981, they provide insight to KW and they are a bonus, but the best work is in the studio. The Mix is NOT a greatest hits or a simple rehash of old material. It is a concept in it's own right, as I said before, Kraftwerk in the The Hall of Mirrors. I can not compare the two versions because each KW album is a complete concept. If you put the Mix version on the Autobahn album it won't work, and vice-versa. I really like the Mix album. I really the Autobahn album. I really like Trans Europe Express etc, etc. If you ask someone who does not subscribe to this list- Do you like KW?, they might well say: "oh they are one of those synth bands, they did a song called The Model. Yes that was a good song, yes I like KW." And as someone who has a greater appreciation of KW you will think... well The Model is good, but there is more to KW than that, they don't understand the full concept, they haven't heard the Man Machine. Well that's how I feel about this question. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah... Date: 18 Jul 2001 02:36:26 -0000 Enrique Correa wrote: >While R&F give us nothing to be jolly about, except for some >recycled >stufffrom Electric Cafe on kw.com, Gave me plenty to be jolly about. >Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play keyboards. R&F are teaching robots how to play keyboards >Is this the wave of the future? No, it's just silly. >Will this become a primate world,instead of a computer world? No >After all, most people think we come from them. Yes, but we are not going back again. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: RE: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 03:53:01 +0000 Matthew Dean wrote: > I just bought I Was A Robot [...] I really cannot >recommend it any more than by saying 'you need this book'. But to >read just how vindictive, nasty and downright petty Ralf and Florian > (especially Ralf so to read) have been to him and how nasty they >have treated him. >Wolfgang Fluer tells of his life, and it's so HUMAN I say: human, all too human Enrique Correa wrote: >I agree with you Matt, in fact, Ralf's stated somewhere that Kraftwerk >was >always a DUO, with "many" collaborators, so many in fact, that he >even >forgot each of their names. I say: all is fair in love, war and art. I like Elektric Music. If Karl Bartos chooses to play KW songs at his gigs then that is up to him. I would prefer that he didn’t. Not because EM songs are better, simply because he is EM not KW. I admire and respect Wolfgang Flur as an artist, and having read his book, I like and respect him as a person. I enjoy the Yamo work in the absence of new KW material. However..... (and this is where it gets controversial)... I can understand why R&F have reacted (possibly over-reacted) as they have. KW is an image, an entity, a living organism, an on-going art project. You are either a part of KW or you are not. I can understand that Wolfgang was not happy being a member of KW, and was not achieving his full potential as an individual. In this case he did the right thing by leaving. If he was not happy with the way he was treated by the other KW members then this is something he should have discussed among the group while he was still a member. It is clear from his book that he wanted to leave for his own personal reasons and that R&F would have preferred him to stay. It should not be such a shock that the re-issue of the KW albums do not credit Flur and Bartos on the cover. KW have done this before. I have two versions of the Autobahn album; one is a vynal LP on the Vertigo label, the other version is a CD on the EMI label. The Vertigo LP lists the musicians as: Hutter, Schnieder, Flur and Klause Roeder, the CD does not list any musicians but has a picture of Hutter, Schneider, Flur and Bartos on the cover. While Wolfgang was a part of KW he was credited on the albums. The albums that have already been purchased can not be altered. KW is KW. KW is greater than the sum of it’s parts. The image of KW has always been four individuals. I don’t know what and how much each individual contributed to each album, but they were always pictured as four individuals of equal status. And while Wolfgang was a member he was represented as one of those individuals. I am not interested in four individuals, I am interested in KW. Let’s face it R&F would rather be represented by robots. The KW image now is four robots. Maybe R&F will eventually remove their own names from the album covers... but not yet. I do not believe KW should be regarded like any other rock or pop band, where individuals can leave, argue and wash their dirty laundry in public. KW’s image and music is an on-going project (or at least it hasn’t been abandoned yet). Wolfgang chose to write about KW after he had left the group and give a ”behind the scenes” view to the public. While this would not bother many groups, it was surely obviously not what KW would want. If a theatre director did not want the public to see his actors rehearsing, I would respect that. Yes, you can say the book is a biography about Wolgang Flur’s personal life not about KW.... but who the hell is Wolfgang Flur? A former member of KW,..... and who bought the book? KW fans. Maybe he would have achieved more if he had never joined KW, maybe not. But he did. And KW is not like any other group. I present my personal point of view only as food for thought. ian t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 10:34:08 +0200 i_tyson wrote: =2E=2E=2EHowever=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E (and this is where it gets controversial)=2E=2E=2E= I can understand=20= why R&F have reacted (possibly over-reacted) as they have=2E KW is an image,=20= an entity, a living organism, an on-going art project=2E You are either a part=20= of KW or you are not=2E I can understand that Wolfgang was not happy being a=20= member of KW, and was not achieving his full potential as an individual=2E In=20= this case he did the right thing by leaving=2E If he was not happy with the=20= way he was treated by the other KW members then this is something he should=20= have discussed among the group while he was still a member=2E It is clear from=20= his book that he wanted to leave for his own personal reasons and that R&F=20= would have preferred him to stay=2E=2E=2E=2E WELL SAID, I couldn't agree more, we share exactly the same view about what=20= KRAFTWERK is=2E Sad that Wolfgang doesn't understand it=2E=2E=2E Regards / Johan P=2ES=2E I met Ralf in -98, and I can reveal: He seemed very human too=2E=2E=2E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human as well Date: 18 Jul 2001 12:20:17 +0100 Enrique Correa wrote: > I agree with you Matt, in fact, Ralf's stated somewhere that Kraftwerk was > always a DUO, with "many" collaborators, so many in fact, that he even > forgot each of their names. The usual parallels may be drawn... "...you saw exactly how many people who's been in the band over the years, 37 people's been in this band over the years. I mean It's like, you know, six months from now, I can't see myself missing Nigel more than I might miss Ross McLochness, or Ronnie Pudding, or Danny Upham, or Little Danny Schindler, or any of those, you know..." http://www.krug.org/scripts/tap.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) kling klang Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:19:15 +0100 Jus' looking through the ads in New Musical Express for gig listings and at a venue called Upstairs at the Garage in London on the 28th July, there's a band appearing called KLING KLANG. Who they? Anyone know of them? Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: Kling Klang Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:52:45 +0100 Sounds like a Kraftwerk tribute band to me, but you probably thought that already. Looked it up on the allmusic guide and I found Kevin Kling :-) Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:50:02 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... IMHO "the old autobahn" was somehow "better" , because the song sounded more "authentic" back in 1974 than in 1991 on "the mix" album ... & the truly great conny plank once again added his own "magic" to "the ORIGINal version" !!! ;-) p. s. : anna logue said to di gitalia : "u're jus' livin' by numbers , but my concept is constantly changin' , because i'll never be exactly the same as i was before ... no matter how hard u'll try to copy me !!!" *slyest_grin* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) Autobahn played live at Computerworld tour. Date: 18 Jul 2001 17:47:20 +0200 Oops, I changed it again, sorry! ;-) Well this Version is not bad, but for my taste rather too stylish. I don't really like Kraftwerk's 1981's live-sound. The version they played live in 1975 sounds much more sympathetic to me. It's more playful. Gunnar Omega Chance wrote: > > Ack! I hate when people change the topic name, when the original suites the email just fine. > > Anyway, I really like the Computer World tour one (At least I think I have it...its from London in 1981, so I assume it is), because it's uptempo, and sounds not bad at all. I still prefer the original Autobahn, though. > > --- Thomas Cherryhomes > > wrote: > > > >Am I the only one who likes the live version of Autobahn that was played > >throughout the Computerworld tour? :-) > > > >-Thom -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: RE: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 08:53:04 -0700 (PDT) I think it would be okay to take Karl and Wolfgang's names off the albums. But to replace their faces on the Tour de France album, was just stupid. I'd say okay, change the faces if they were to remix TdF and release it on the album, but they didnt. Karl and Wolfgang contributed to the album, and by all right should have their faces still there. Another thing, someone said their names aren't on TMM album? I think this is totally unfair, especially to Karl, since he help write some of the music for many of the tracks. Just my 2¢ == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:11:48 +0200 > I think it would be okay to take Karl and Wolfgang's names off the albums= . Aah, jeez, it's such a childish attitude by Ralf & Florian. It's like football players leaving a club after they won a cup, and then finding the club's cut out their photos from the celebration photos and all the record books. I don't know how any of you can defend such actions. They may like the robot imagery and the idea of being machines, but they should accept the fact that for the best and "best" part of their musical life, Karl and Wolfgang played a major role. It really is playground stuff, rewriting their own history so everything is neat, and that we don't forget it was ALL Ralf & Florian. That may well be the case, but it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. Thanks. Craig ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 http://www.flipflopflyin.com ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE: Tour De France credits Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:11:28 +0100 Hi Kwk's Karl is credited in the 1999 reissue of Tour De France, and it is surely correct that neither Karl or Wolfgang should "appear" on the cover if they were not in the band at the time of release.... Would Pink Floyd have Roger Waters on the cover of a new release by the still active band? I think not. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) kling klang Date: 18 Jul 2001 19:45:43 +0200 hi kwf's ! Shaun Vaughan wrote : > at a venue called Upstairs at the Garage in London > on the 28th July, there's a band appearing > called KLING KLANG. > Who they? Anyone know of them? hmmm ... maybe "they" are kw's robots "on a secret mission" ??? *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) RE: Tour De France credits Date: 18 Jul 2001 19:31:48 +0200 Hello, > Would Pink Floyd have Roger Waters on the cover of a new release by the > still active band? I think not. No, but that's a totally different case. When they would re-release "money" as a single, he would have to be on the cover! Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:56:44 +0200 hi kwf's ! craig wrote : > but it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. yeah , that's indeed a very good & "straight-to-the-point" statement ... & i simply couldn't agree more to it !!! *very_sincere_look* jus' like "the fab four" were john , paul , george & ringo ; "the other fab four" were ralf , florian , karl & wolfgang !!! ;-) ... & btw : WE_ALL_KNOW_THAT_!!! don't we ??? *BWG* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]" Subject: SV: (kw) kling klang Date: 18 Jul 2001 20:56:19 +0200 Didnt Astrid Lindgren write about two police officers in the Pippi books called Kling and Klang? I am not sure. Havent read those books in..... 20 years..... Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/newtrax # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah... Date: 18 Jul 2001 13:01:17 -0700 I wrote: >While R&F give us nothing to be jolly about, except for some recycled stuff from Electric Cafe on kw.com Ian Tyson replied: >> Gave me plenty to be jolly about. OK, I should of wrote: R&F give us nothing REALLY NEW to be jolly about. The tiny little updates on kw.com, the re-issue of 'TdF' and even 'THE MIX', in my book, do not classify as such. Expo 2K being the only exception. >Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play keyboards. >>R&F are teaching robots how to play keyboards Is that a fact? How do you know about this? I'd bet them robots will probably learn how to ride a bicycle before they can play 'Intermission' by themselves. >Is this the wave of the future? >>No, it's just silly. You know? Almost every 'out of the box' idea usually gets quickly labeled 'silly'. I won't judge it until I actually hear the results, if they are ever to actually come out, that is. Peter Gabriel likes to experiment with new things, and contrary to KW, he even admits when stealing ideas. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:18:41 -0700 Omega chance shared his 2 cents: > I think it would be okay to take Karl and Wolfgang's names off the albums. > [...] Another thing, someone said their names aren't on TMM album? > I think this is totally unfair, especially to Karl, since he help write some > of the music for many of the tracks. Well, which one is it? Is it OK, or is it unfair? Let me give you a hint: starts with u-n and ends with f-a-i-r craig then replied: > Aah, jeez, it's such a childish attitude by Ralf & Florian. > [...] it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. Finally someone with an OBJECTIVE point of view! After work, I'll buy you a beer craig! and you're also invited Oh Jay :-) ian tyson also added his five cents about this subject: > It should not be such a shock that the re-issue of the KW albums do not > credit Flur and Bartos on the cover. KW have done this before. I have two > versions of the Autobahn album; one is a vynal LP on the Vertigo label, the > other version is a CD on the EMI label. [...] Right, it wasn't a shocker. We're all used to Ralf's silly manipulative moves by now. No to give credit (or taking it away in this case) to the artist, collaborator, producer, mixer, photographer, engineer, roadie, musician, writer or anything else that was part of a project, is wrong. Plain and simple. AFAIK, kw is the only case where they do this type of thing, well, in some countries History books get all kinds of manipulation, sorry, 'revisions' day after day, but that's a different subject... or is it?... oops :-) Enrique ps: what the hell, omega chance and ian tyson can also come over for beers! Let's get drunk in a nearby pub! HA! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 18 Jul 2001 15:44:59 -0700 oh jay wrote: > well ... IMHO "the old autobahn" was somehow "better" , because the > song sounded more "authentic" back in 1974 than in 1991 on "the mix" > album ... & the truly great conny plank once again added his own "magic" > to "the ORIGINal version" !!! ;-) To different people, different tastes and opinions. We're all different. Some like new, some like old and so on. The Mix, IMO it's only an OK album. For my money, all of the original versions of the songs are much more palatable, fulfilling, and delightful than the ones presented in The Mix. Judging by the age group in this list, I can certainly tell that the 'younger' crowd prefers The Mix over kw's older stuff. Not to sound like an old fart, I think that most of the 'digitized' songs lost their original 'bliss', their magic, their ingenuity and melancholism, like TEE, Radioactivity and Computer Love, to mention only a few. The original songs were a labor of love. Just like an original paint. You don't see painters modifying their paints after a new paint or brush comes out, do you? Once they put their signature on it, they move onto new paints. The Mix sounds to me like a recording of a tour rehearsal, where most of the original scent gets lost. I only give them credit for the fact that they, at least, issued out that type of album instead of a 'Best Of' compilation, as EMI originally requested them to do. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah..... Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:09:37 -0000 Enrique wrote: >Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play keyboards. I wrote: >>R&F are teaching robots how to play keyboards >Is that a fact? No it's a joke. (not a very good one I grant you) >I'd bet them robots will probably learn how to ride a bicycle before they can play 'Intermission' by themselves. By that time the monkeys will have learned how to write the lyrics. I would however like to see a monkeys v robots bicycle race. >You know? Almost every 'out of the box' idea usually gets quickly labeled silly'. Well many of them are. Like this one for example. >Peter Gabriel likes to experiment with new things, and contrary to KW, he even admits when stealing ideas. I wish Mr Gabriel well in his honest experimentations. Enrique has a personal opinion that Peter Gabriel is in many ways superior in ideas and integrity than KW. I respect the fact that Enrique is a fan of Peter Gabriel. And if this were a general discussion list I may not be so flippant. But this is a KW list and as a subscriber it should not be so shocking that I prefer to hang out with the lazy thieves because they make great music. Also, I have no inclination to go to the Peter Gabriel mailing list promote KW as a more worthy clause. Respectfully your, ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:10:09 -0000 craig wrote : >but it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. Only you think KW are like the Beatles. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:13:54 -0000 Enrique says: >For my money, all of the original versions of the songs are much more >palatable, fulfilling, and delightful than the ones presented in The Mix. >..............You don't see painters modifying their paints after a new >paint or brush comes out, do you? Once they put their signature on it, they >move onto new paints. IMO. The Mix is not a substitute or a replacement for previous recordings. It is a unique concept in itself. It is not a greatest hits album, nor is it someone else’s remixing of KW songs. (hence the name). This is not like a painter re-touching old works. Maybe it is a self-portrait; maybe it is a study on previous themes in a different context. Paul Klee once said that art was simply a reflection of society. I think the Mix does this very well. Note that on The Mix, Radioactivity is not a play on scientific discovery and melodic radio stations. It is now an angry environmental statement. Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. The original version was an ambient celebration of the freedom of the open road. On The Mix, The Robots is an empowered song, uptempo and vibrant. On The Man Machine it is a quirky futuristic fantasy. Computer Love.. exotic, science fiction in the Computer World era, but pulsating love song in the Internet dating era of The Mix The Mix; the drawing of previous thoughts re-examined in a later work, a common theme among painters. Or perhaps a self-portrait (that's why I say Kraftwerk in the Hall of Mirrors). Whatever it is, it is an independent original work, not a retouching of old masterpieces. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:18:13 -0000 Omega chance: >I think it would be okay to take Karl and Wolfgang's names off the albums. craig then replied: >Aah, jeez, it's such a childish attitude by Ralf & Florian. >[...] it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. Enrique said: |>We're all used to Ralf's silly manipulative >moves by now. No to give credit (or taking it away in this case) to the >artist, collaborator, producer, mixer, photographer, engineer, roadie, >musician, writer or anything else that was part of a project, is wrong. On the Computer World album credit was given to the designers of the hardware and software and Hutter, Schneider et al. were buried somewhere near the bottom of the list. >AFAIK, kw is the only case where they do this type of thing, Yes KW are unique in many ways, they cannot be compared with other pop/rock groups. First of all, this is an OBJECTIVE opinion, I have not actually said that I agree with the omission of certain names from re-issues of previous albums. I have however said that I can understand it, so yes, I am not personally opposing this either. I am an observer. It is not my place to tell an artist that what they are doing is right or wrong. This is the crux of what I am trying to communicate. KW- whoever they may be is an art concept. There was a watershed when KW released Autobahn. They do not refer to material created before this period. This I am sure is not because they think the old KW material is poor. It is experimental. Experimental is fine. Post Ralph and Florian is conceptual. The experimentation has ceased at this point. In Pascal Bussy's book, he identifies the title and cover of the Ralph & Florian album as homage to the concept artists Gilbert and George; two people who presented themselves as living works of art. After this point KW was a corporate image. Ralph and Florian are part of this presented image (as well as composers of music). If Florian was to leave I am sure his image and name would be removed from previous works. I suspect that Florian would have no objection to this. This would explain why KW have not tried to cash in on the re-issue of the early albums (although as an observer I do not think this would seriously compromise the KW image) If I were in Karl or Wolfgang's position I would be proud to have been a part of KW. I would however accept that if I left to do my own projects I would no longer be a part of this living concept. If I had left to embark on my own projects I would not want to refer to KW. I would not give interviews about KW, and I would not play kW’s music. When Karl left we was for the first time given an insight into the true life of KW through the interviews he gave to the press. And of course they were fascinating to read. A bit like someone demonstrating how a magician does his tricks. Fascinating, but disrespectful to the magician, and it also ruins the act. On the rare occasions when Ralph gives interviews, he talks about KW, not himself. When Florian gave an interview to a cycling magazine, he talked about bikes, not KW. The problem I have with Wolfgang's book is that he criticises R&F for not treating him fairly. IMO, R&F are trying to protect KW, not themselves as individuals. Enrique says: >well, in some countries History books get all kinds of manipulation, >sorry, 'revisions' day after day, but that's a different subject... or >is >it?... oops :-) No, I don't think it is a different subject. KW are artists not politicians, they portray society, they do not dictate its values. KW has used political imagery (most obviously in the Man Machine period). It may well be that the deliberate manipulation of KW history is an artistic expression in itself. All that I can be sure of in this: KW are not a pop group like the Beatles. Enrique says: >ps: what the hell, omega chance and ian tyson can also come over for > >beers! >Let's get drunk in a nearby pub! HA! At this point I will cease being an observer and express absolute point of view. I think this is a very good idea! Thanks Enrique. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 19 Jul 2001 08:58:19 +0200 > > craig wrote : > >> but it's a bit like chopping out George & Ringo, y'know. > > Only you think KW are like the Beatles. First, I don't think they are like the Beatles, but I think there are similarities, simply because both groups over time have become known to be incredibly influential on the music that followed them. I thiink there's a similarity in that there are 2 main and 2 lesser band members in both groups. And s owhat If I do think they are like the Beatles? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human ... Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:02:26 +0200 =20 > Yes KW are unique in many ways, they cannot be compared with other > pop/rock groups.=20 Hey, I like them just as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, in the big scheme of the universe, KRAFTWERK ARE A POP GROUP. If we were to slice open various pop groups to find their DNA, then Kraftwerk would be pretty much exactly the same as most pop groups. I agree, there are some things which Kraftwerk do that not many other group= s do or did before them. But, sorry they can be compared to other pop groups, simply because (a) they are a POP GROUP (b) the group is made up of human beings. > I have however said that I can understand it, so yes, I > am not personally opposing this either. I am an observer. It is not my > place to tell an artist that what they are doing is right or wrong. This= is > the crux of what I am trying to communicate. But they can't rewrite their own history. We know the history, the history books will always mention Wolfgang & Karl as being main members of the group. > KW- whoever they may be is an art concept. They're a pop group, dude. > In Pascal Bussy's book, he identifies the title and > cover of the Ralph & Florian album as homage to the concept artists Gilbe= rt > and George; two people who presented themselves as living works of art. > After this point KW was a corporate image. Ralph and Florian are part of > this presented image (as well as composers of music). So, if that's the case why give Wolfgang & Karl neon lights with their name= s on them? I personally think that that signifies that they are members fo th= e group. If R & F thought so much about this concept you refer to, surely the= y would realise that by giving W & K neon signatures, they are installing them, in the public view, as equals. They wear the same clothes, there is n= o obvious hierachy on stage or in artwork, thus for all us record shop visitors or concert goers, Kraftwerk was at that time 4 people. To omit them from sleeves is denying they played any part in the group, which we all know they did. > If Florian was to > leave I am sure his image and name would be removed from previous works. = I > suspect that Florian would have no objection to this. I doubt that. =20 > If I were in Karl or Wolfgang's position I would be proud to have been a > part of KW. I would however accept that if I left to do my own projects = I > would no longer be a part of this living concept. Here again you fall for the lie. They were in the group! why remove them, i= t makes no sense, other than for R & F's inflated egos and pompousness. > If I had left to embark > on my own projects I would not want to refer to KW. I would not give > interviews about KW, and I would not play kW=92s music. But would you want to be erased from history? Bill Clinton you are no longer president, thus we will forget you ever were... It's like cutting your ex-spouse out of all the photos, you may have no visual record of holidays, parties etc, but you were still married to them. > Fascinating, but disrespectful to the magician, and it also ruins the act= . He's a human being. He has thoughts on how he was treated by other humans. We are interested, YOU are interested. > On the rare occasions when Ralph gives interviews, he talks about KW, not > himself. When Florian gave an interview to a cycling magazine, he talked > about bikes, not KW. The problem I have with Wolfgang's book is that he > criticises R&F for not treating him fairly. IMO, R&F are trying to prote= ct > KW, not themselves as individuals. That'll be why they stayed in better hotels, "to protect Kraftwerk". =20 > All that I can be sure of in this: KW are not a pop > group like the Beatles. Oh, jesus, you take the biscuit there, my friend. I'm not even gonna go there. Yeh, anyway.=20 Love you all, Craig now available in pink - http://www.flipflopflyin.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 04:18:41 -0500 I'm a bit more comfortable and satisfied about this message now that Craig replied to Ian's remark about the Beatles. Ian Tyson wrote: > KW are not a pop group like the Beatles. Of course, if you have read the preceding paragraph in his message, you might have gathered the idea that somehow Kraftwerk are artists and the Beatles weren't. You may ask how the following pertains to Kraftwerk and the list. I can only answer that I'm sure that there are many Beatle fanatics that need a lecture on the contributions to music made by Kraftwerk. Sure, most would agree that the Beatles started out as strictly "pop" artists. But isn't this how all (I was about to write most, but when you really think about it...) musicians get noticed or start? I mean, Kraftwerk wasn't the first to play in the key of "C" or even music at all. They had influences as we all do. "Every artist is a cannibal; every poet is a thief." If they truly created something totally original, we probably wouldn't have heard of them. So, the Beatles started out "pop," of which albums resulted still sell by the millions today... and Kraftwerk started out as experimental hippy instrumentalists, of which albums resulted are probably not even legally produced now. Seems to me the term "pop," which is a false category I firmly disbelieve in, is generally thought to be music directed at a culture's current musical interests. But, most if not all of the Beatles' music, as said before, is still widely liked by many different groups of people even now. They are certainly not that of the disposable groups and musicians that are presented in this foul year of our Lord. I'm not stating that Kraftwerk is so. Of course, who's right is it to say what music is timeless or "pop?" The Beatles have very concrete contributions to the ever evolving music: For instance, "I Feel Fine," employed the first deliberate use of feedback musically and as an effect. This song was published in '65, two years into their "pop" career. (These are facts I've either learned from music magazines or documentaries or the sort... I'm not writing a thesis or anything; I'm not going to cite them... you'll just have to take my word for it... or not, if you wish.) Obviously, whether they really influenced or not any of the hundreds of later groups that would use feedback is insignificant. Consider the list's recent talk about Kraftwerk and Pink Floyd's use of sequencers and synthesizers. In '65 they made an even more significant first in music, which was the use of a sitar on a "pop" song "Norwegian Wood." Soon to follow was much of George Harrison's delving and incorporation of Indian music. In my and several other music historians' opinion, Indian music (after the sixties) has a strong influence on most modern music just shy of the Blues. Even the pre-Kraftwerk Organisation's "Tone Float" shows definite signs of Indian influence. Just a year later, the Beatles' "Rain" used backwards tape effects, another first in published music. Walls were pushed by the continuing use of sound reversal in songs, aiding the exploration of psychedelic music... leaving repercussions still felt today by techno artists such as the Chemical Brothers. I've also been told that the Beatles' later "Strawberry Fields" would first deliberately use of backwards cymbals as valid percussion. Somewhere between the feedback, sitars, and backwards tapes, because of the lack of multitrack recorders at the time, the engineers would overdub the Beatles' vocals on the fly, an effect which they termed "flanging"... sound familiar? Previously unreleased takes of their "Tomorrow Never Knows" involved vocals processed through a Leslie effect, obtained originally as they did then by manipulating a Hammond Organ. A same take also ran a few simultaneous tape loops which played single phrases of music together... along with John Lennon reciting lines and variations from Tim Leary's translation of the "Tibetan Book of the Dead" seems very similar in nature to some of the modern trance music of today, also namely by the Chemical Brothers. The tape loops almost resemble tracker or sequencer loops. I'm not sure of anyone else's prior use of the instrument, but the Beatles, for a time, used a Mellotron. I'm sure many of you are familiar with this instrument, considered one of the first sampling keyboards. The Beatles are also considered by many to be the fathers of music video. They often made videos, not of them solely playing their instruments on-stage and such, to accompany their music. Certainly, this group didn't do all of the above because it was "pop" or popular at the time. They broke ground about as much as any other great band, if not more. One interesting thing that the core members of the Beatles did was publish their music as if both Lennon and McCartney wrote them, regardless of whether both of them did. This action perhaps encouraged both to do their share of writing. They were in it together. Kraftwerk on the other hand, decided to do it differently. You'll notice that Hutter is attributed to writing every Kraftwerk song in some way. Whether this notion is true or not is not important. The idea that he or anyone else might consider Hutter as the sole member of Kraftwerk makes me think again on a previous thought made on the list... the possibility of Schneider being excluded from the Kraftwerk member list as well! Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:05:03 +0000 Kraftwerk are like the Beatles in the sense that they were both the most influential groups of their genre; KW in all electrical and The Beatles in th rest. Oh yesh, anybody know where I can get Time Pie from, or the new Karl Bartos album (what was it anyway?). I'm in UK, so far no luck at Virgin, HMV or other local stores... Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 13:11:22 +0200 Andrew Dieffenbach schrieb am 19.07.2001 11:18 Uhr MEZ: > The Beatles have very concrete contributions to the ever evolving music: > > For instance, "I Feel Fine," employed the first deliberate use of feedback > musically and as an effect. This song was published in '65, two years into > their > "pop" career. > In '65 they made an even more significant first in music, which was the use of > a > sitar on a "pop" song "Norwegian Wood." > Just a year later, the Beatles' "Rain" used backwards tape effects, another > first > in published music. > the engineers would overdub the Beatles' > vocals on the fly, an effect which they termed "flanging"... sound familiar? > > Previously unreleased takes of their "Tomorrow Never Knows" involved vocals > processed through a Leslie effect, obtained originally as they did then by > manipulating a Hammond Organ. A same take also ran a few simultaneous tape > loops > which played single phrases of music together... (snip) ... and so on: This is a quite interesting enumeration, really! But IMHO it wasn't the Beatles bringing in these effects, it was mainly their producer GEORGE MARTIN. But even George Martin didn't invent them. He had a classical background, so he knew the french musique concrete composers PIERRE SCHAEFFER and PIERRE HENRY - they were the REAL inventors of all these studio effects. And the use of effects like these in a pop music context goes back to the one and only JOE MEEK. He started his special kind of sound engineering about 1958 with "Put A Ring On Her Finger" (Les Paul & Mary Ford), about 1960 he founded his own studio, production company R. G. M. and record label Triumph - you know intro and outro of "Telstar" by The Tornados (1962)? That's Joe! Listen to it, the sound is still electrifying! Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 13:27:57 +0200 > That's Joe! Listen to it, the sound is still electrifying! > Absolutely. "I Hear A New World" is one of the greatest albums I've ever heard. And "Johnny Remember Me" is a bit of a cracker too. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:29:35 +0200 hi kwf's ! Matthew Dean wrote : > Kraftwerk are like the Beatles in the sense that they were both > the most influential groups of their genre; > KW in all electrical and The Beatles in the rest. erm ... sorry , matt , but don't forget that the rolling stones were much more influential than the beatles EVER were ... concernin' "modern" rock bands !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) kw were somehow the precursors of hip hop / electro / house / techno / etc. , but the beatles were only responsible for ... erm ... the so called brit pop movement !!! *BWG* ;-))) they ( the beatles ;-) didn't influence glam rock or punk nor grunge or heavy metal at all , my dear friend !!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:44:31 +0200 Before I go on, I don't "get" all the internet geekoid : $=A7%& ))) stuff you do, so I dunno if you are joking or not. It kinda gives me a headache. On with the show... Oh Jay said: =20 > the rolling stones were much > more influential than the beatles EVER were ... concernin' "modern" rock > bands !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) Err.... That's bollocks. > , but the beatles were only responsible for ... erm ... the so called bri= t > pop movement !!! *BWG* ;-))) Err.... That's bollocks again. > they ( the beatles ;-) didn't influence glam rock or punk nor grunge or > heavy metal at all , my dear friend !!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-) Err.... Once again, that's bollocks. Every band that ever picked up a guitar after The Beatles were influenced b= y them in some way or other. THEY CHANGED MUSIC AS WE KNOW IT. Even if some metal isn't directly influenced by them, it is indirectly, just as all techno acts, are directly or indirectly influenced by what Kraftwerk did. Is this the bit where I put a little :) thing? Craig ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 http://www.flipflopflyin.com ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 9:02:23 -0400 > Before I go on, I don't "get" all the internet geekoid : $§%& ))) stuff you > do, so I dunno if you are joking or not. It kinda gives >me a headache. *ROTFLOL* "Geekoid"?!?!? I think it adds to the character of the e-mail!!! ;-) It gives you more insight into the way the writter is feeling/thinking... besides...... why not have a more colorful e-mail!?!?! Keeps it interesting IMO!! Persionally I like it.... and yes..... it influenced me!!! *LOL* Thanx, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 15:31:14 +0200 >> Before I go on, I don't "get" all the internet geekoid : $=A7%& ))) stuff = you >> do, so I dunno if you are joking or not. It kinda gives >me a headache. >=20 > *ROTFLOL* "Geekoid"?!?!? I think it adds to the character of the e-mail!!= ! ;-) > It gives you more insight into the way the writter is feeling/thinking... > besides...... why not have a more colorful e-mail!?!?! Keeps it interesti= ng > IMO!! Persionally I like it.... and yes..... it influenced me!!! *LOL* Well, absolutely, each to their own. Is that picture on your site you, Christian? Are you eyes really that blue? They look ace. Craig # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Claycomb Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 9:45:32 -0400 > Well, absolutely, each to their own. > Is that picture on your site you, Christian? Sure is. > Are you eyes really that blue? > They look ace. > > > Craig Well...... my eyes are blue and I did enhance them a bit so they would stand out more. I really wanted them to look like they were glowing!! *LOL* I guess I need to experiment more with the software. Thanx, Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:04:29 +0200 Hello, I'm looking for Kraftwerk concert mistakes, because I'm working on a page with these among Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys ones. Are there others th= en Das Model from Munich 1981, Computerworld D=FCsseldorf 1991 and the begin= ning of radioactivity (morse code) at ZKM? Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:37:39 +0100 Like your style Craig, 'totally agree. Although the Beatles were never my favourite band, (I was growing up when their records were permanently in the charts), there's no denying their influence on modern music, especially Beatle wannabees, The Electric Light Orchestra and Oasis amongst others. wannabees thru the spellchecker came up with cannabis! Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Latthew Marge" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 19 Jul 2001 14:11:53 +0000 well, there's the classic 'we have a problem with the drum computer' from the 'concert classics' cd. I think it was recorded in 75. during the tribal gathering gig there were a loit of problems with the stage curtains. a nimble young guy was forced to clamber upon the trilite and pull the curtains aside! but that's not really distinguishable on an audio recording.. was it ever videoed? I'm sure there are plenty more our friend on the list can mention ;) >From: "Fabien Stoffel" >Hello, >I'm looking for Kraftwerk concert mistakes, because I'm working on a page >with these among Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys ones. Are there others then >Das Model from Munich 1981, Computerworld Düsseldorf 1991 and the beginning >of radioactivity (morse code) at ZKM? >Greets, >Fabien _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:15:13 +0200 hi kwf's ! craig wrote : > Before I go on, I don't "get" all the internet geekoid : > $§%& ))) stuff you do, so I dunno if you are joking or not. fyi ( for your information ) : when i put a ";-)" behind a sentence , u should take it with a grain of salt , mate !!! ;-) > It kinda gives me a headache. i'm sorry , but "my special sign language" is ONLY intended to express some "virtual feelings" , craig !!! ;-) > On with the show... yeah !!! ;-) Oh Jay said: > Err.... That's bollocks. sorry , but THAT'S jus' your opinion ... & i simply DON'T share it !!! ;-) > Err.... That's bollocks again. jus' see above !!! ;-) > Err.... Once again, that's bollocks. see above , once again !!! ;-) > Every band that ever picked up a guitar > after The Beatles were influenced by them > in some way or other. err ... THAT'S bollocks !!! *LOL* ;-))) > THEY CHANGED MUSIC AS WE KNOW IT. see above again !!! ;-) > Even if some metal isn't directly influenced by them, > it is indirectly, just as all techno acts, are directly > or indirectly influenced by what Kraftwerk did. that's ... erm ... jus' a plain GENERALIZATION & also UTTER_BOGUS_IMHO_!!! :-/ > Is this the bit where I put a little :) thing? maybe ??? perhaps ??? YES_!!! *hehehe* ;-))) sorry , dear craig , but i think TOTALLY_DIFF'RENT about this subject than u do ... obviously !!! ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Villarroel" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's cover (The Model) Date: 19 Jul 2001 10:28:38 -0400 Hola a todos (hello to all) for all the interested... artist: Balanescu Quartet (with David Byrne) song: The Model album: Possessed time: 3:38 min format: MP3 (128Kbit), 4.06Mb obs: Kraftwerk's cover with instruments of string http://www.geocities.com/cuborubik/themodel.zip http://us.share.geocities.com/cuborubik/themodel.zip enjoy the... song... :-) saludos Ricardo from Chile # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:31:18 +0200 Oh Jay, Your opinion is ill informed and wrong (and, yes, I realise opinion is subjective, but hear me out). Look at some history before you start telling us the Stones were more influential than the Beatles. Think about what you said, digest it, then se= e the error in your thought. As for the Beatles just influencing britpop, you are so blinkered if you think that=B9s the case. Do you live in a bubble and have only come out when britpop occurred. The Beatles use of melody, their instrumentation, songwriting style has bee= n an influence on everything from T Rex to Steps and everything in between. Even the most out there rock stuff is influenced by the Beatles. And to deny that they changed music is simply burying your head in the sand and the opinion deserves the contempt it gets. >> Even if some metal isn't directly influenced by them, >> it is indirectly, just as all techno acts, are directly >> or indirectly influenced by what Kraftwerk did. >=20 > that's ... erm ... jus' a plain GENERALIZATION & also UTTER_BOGUS_IMHO_!!= ! But it's true, which gives it the force it needs. So would you say that all techno doesn't featuring anything that can be traced back to Kraftwerk? Because it's the same with the rest of pop music and the Beatles. And let's not forget, The beatles influenced Kraftwerk whether you want to think so or not. Explain why you thing this is utter bogus (dunno what you mean by imho, is it geekery?) Craig ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 http://www.flipflopflyin.com ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah..... Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:49:45 +0200 About twenty years ago a saw a documentation, where japanese engineers presented a robot playing keyboard. Really! Instead of a head it had a video camera for recognizing the notes. Gunnar ian tyson wrote: > > Enrique wrote: > > >Mr. Peter Gabriel is teaching monkeys to play keyboards. > > I wrote: > >>R&F are teaching robots how to play keyboards > > >Is that a fact? > > No it's a joke. (not a very good one I grant you) -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:51:10 +0200 For example : Tokyo, 2nd June 1998: the sax-like sound during "Pocket Calculator",the "post-quake" after "Airwaves" Tokyo, 3rd June 1998: at the beginning "Numbers" started and stopped again after some measures. After some minutes: restart. Norwich 1992: during "Autobahn" a synth became miss-tuned, the same at "Tribal" on a 1998's concert (can't remember which on) or at "Metal On Metal" (the "beeper") in Düsseldorf 1991. A really curious "misstake" happend during "Autobahn" at the Utrecht concert, when Ralf unexpectedly sang "Es kotzt mich langsam an auf der Autobahn!" ("It gradually vomits at me" means "I'm fed up" ;-) Gunnar Fabien Stoffel wrote: > > Hello, > I'm looking for Kraftwerk concert mistakes, because I'm working on a page > with these among Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys ones. Are there others then > Das Model from Munich 1981, Computerworld Düsseldorf 1991 and the beginning > of radioactivity (morse code) at ZKM? > Greets, > Fabien -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: SV: (kw) kling klang Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:51:57 +0200 Yes it's true. I havent'n read the books, either, but I've seen all the Pippi-movies with Inger Nilson. Kling and Klang appear there, too. Gunnar Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media] wrote: > > Didnt Astrid Lindgren write about two police officers in the Pippi books > called Kling and Klang? I am not sure. Havent read those books in..... 20 > years..... -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Re: Beatles/Kraftwerk influences?! :-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 16:07:25 +0100 Hi Kwk's Yes, Kraftwerk were heavily influenced by the "machine-driven rhythms" and "synthesizer tapestries" of the Beatles. Rob :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so hu... Date: 19 Jul 2001 15:09:11 +0000 I wrote: >In Pascal Bussy's book, he identifies the title and >cover of the Ralph & Florian album as homage to the concept artists Gilbert >and George; two people who presented themselves as living works of art. >After this point KW was a corporate image. Ralph and Florian are part of >this presented image (as well as composers of music). Craig replied: So, if that's the case why give Wolfgang & Karl neon lights with their names on them? I personally think that that signifies that they are members fo the group. If R & F thought so much about this concept you refer to, surely they would realise that by giving W & K neon signatures, they are installing them, in the public view, as equals. They wear the same clothes, there is no obvious hierachy on stage or in artwork, thus for all us record shop visitors or concert goers, Kraftwerk was at that time 4 people. To omit them from sleeves is denying they played any part in the group, which we all know they did. Craig my apologies if I have not explained my point of view clearly enough, but there is a misunderstanding here. I mentioned in a previous email that while Karl and Wolfgang were members of KW they were given equal status in the prevention of the image of KW. As you say, there was no hierarchy. I am talking only about the image of KW here. I am not talking about the music. My point is this; R & F are still part of that image. Wolfgang and Karl decided they wanted to do something else. While R & F remain a part of KW, they will be committed to that, as was the case with Wolfgang and Karl. Wolfgang can talk as much as he likes about the personalities of R & F, but until KW is completely abandoned (and this may be the result of Wolfgang's book) we are not going to hear the other side of the story. As I said before. If Wolfgang did not like the way he was treated as a KW member then he should have discussed that with them while he was a KW member. He seems to have accepted being a KW member for many years (R& F did not hold him prisoner). He did not leave the group because of low pay, or anything else of that nature. He left because he wanted to do his own work. In which case he should do his own work (and Yamo is IMO brilliant). Unfortunately there is more attention being paid to his gripes about being a KW member than there is to the very worthy Yamo project. And if he did not want to make a living out of KW then why write a book that is clearly aimed at KW fans. As I have already said, Wolfgang has my respect as an artist and as a person. Now he should leave the past behind and do what he is inspired to do. Craig said: But they can't rewrite their own history. We know the history, the history books will always mention Wolfgang & Karl as being main members of the group. I say: But they do rewrite their own history, they just can't change the past. History books are as much the perspective of the writer as they are about facts. >KW- whoever they may be is an art concept. Craig: >KRAFTWERK ARE A POP GROUP. If we were to slice >open various pop groups to find their DNA, then Kraftwerk would be >pretty >much exactly the same as most pop groups. If you cut up the Mona Lisa it would be just paint and canvas, same as any other painting. If you grind up Canova's "Three Graces" it would just be a pile of marble rubble, indistinguishable from any other pieces of marble that had been so treated. (b) the group is made up of human beings. ... well it used to be ..... now does this not say that possibly my point of view should not be dismissed so easily. They're a pop group, dude. (dude!!! who me?) Craig, it is not important that you agree with my point of view. One of the signs of good art is that people will have their own personal interpretations. I am not trying to convert you, as I said in my previous mail, I offer my point of view only as food for thought. However, the idea that KW is first and foremost an art concept rather than a simple pop group is surely worthy of consideration, if not acceptance. First of all their art associations that they made in their early years. The Gilbert and George influence in the Ralph and Florian album. Being inspired by Stockhausen, and German culture, pop music was very much an Anglo-American culture at that time. KW have not behaved like popstars. They have not followed trends, made films, and have showed a reluctance to appear on any pop music show. Craig, I am interested in the your perspective of KW being just a pop group that is little different from any other pop group. That's Ok by me. I get something different from KW. I have sat silent on this list for a number of years, I just thought someone may have been interested in a fellow KW fans perspective. In fact if it had not been for Wolfgang's "expose" I think that differences in perspective would not be an issue. That is why I suspect that KW are now more likely to split completely than go on to release a new album, which I believe is in the making. When you present a stage performance, you will have to put up with a lot of backstage tantrums. Once the fighting spills out onto the stage, then it is very difficult to restore the illusion required to make the performance work. Craig: >But would you want to be erased from history? >Bill Clinton you are no longer president, thus we will forget you ever >were... I refer to my previous mail. KW are artists not politicians. Art is a reflection of society not the dictator of it's values. If I were once the president of the US I would not want to be erased from history. If I was a member of KW and left I would expect to be erased from history. Now Craig, this works for me because I view KW as an art concept. It would indeed be offensive if you thought you were part of an ordinary pop group and this were to happen. I offer my point of view only as food for thought. I am not arguing for or against on this issue. Craig: >He's a human being. He has thoughts on how other humans treated him. >We are interested, YOU are interested I refer to my previous mail. I am interested in KW not four individuals. I am reluctantly interested in Wolfgang’s insight into KW. Everybody wants to hear the magician’s assistant revealing the secret of the tricks, and what goes on at rehearsals at your favourite play... But will you still enjoy the performance afterwards? >All that I can be sure of is this: KW are not a pop >group like the Beatles. Craig: >Oh, jesus, you take the biscuit there, my friend. >I'm not even gonna go there. Well then Craig, don't go there. My next mail will be on this subject. I understand you may not want to read it. Anyway, Craig. It's been nice to talk about KW for a change. Thankyou for your contribution to my thoughts. ian t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) (KW), KW, v, Beatles, :*<>, £$ Date: 19 Jul 2001 15:13:44 +0000 Let me clarify something. I said that KW were not a pop group like the Beatles, and this seems to have sparked a separate issue about the importance of the Beatles, who was the most influential between KW, Beatles and even the Rolling Stones now. This was in response to the comment about Wolfgang and Karl being omitted from re-issues of KW albums, where someone compared this to the omission of Ringo and George from old Beatles albums. It was in the context of my point of view that KW is an art concept. By this I mean the image and the music have been influenced by non- pop culture, and that KW seem to exist outside the parameters of the pop world. They do not actively promote, follow trends etc. This does not mean that they are never a part of, and can not be enjoyed as such. So when I say KW is not a pop group like the Beatles. I mean just that. KW is not a pop group like the Spice Girls either for that matter. I have not suggested that the Beatles are not artists (in the sense of pop artists). I am not trying to say that one is superior or inferior to the other. Nobody should be able to assume from what I have said that I like or dislike the Beatles. All I am suggesting is that the KW situation is not like Ringo and George, nor is it like eliminating Bill Clinton from the history books. I am offering my point view only as food for thought, not for or against. ian t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:37:26 +0200 hi kwf's ! craig wrote again : > Your opinion is ill informed and wrong > (and, yes, I realise opinion is subjective, but hear me out). okay , i'll try to "listen" to u , craig !!! ;-) > Look at some history before you start telling us > the Stones were more influential than the Beatles. IMHO ( in my humble opinion ) the stones WERE much more influential on "MODERN"_ROCK_BANDS , simply because the beatles NEVER_EVER were "a rock band" - they were "POP" ... all the way !!! ;-) so the beatles surely infulenced loads of other "pop" bands , BUT ... bands like the rolling stones & also the kinks were much more influential on "modern" rock bands !!! again , i'm really sorry , dear craig , but i still CAN'T see ANY_SIGNIFICANT_INFLUENCE comin' from the beatles on glam rock , punk , grunge nor heavy metal !!! > Think about what you said, digest it, then see > the error in your thought. PLEASE give me at least SOME_OUTSTANDIN'_EXAMPLES of "modern" rock bands or simply ANY glam rock , punk , grunge or heavy metal band that were MORE influenced by the beatles than by ROCK_BANDS like the stones or others !!! fyi : u haven't written ANYTHIN' to prove me wrong by now , craig !!! ;-) so i still CAN'T see ANY_ERROR in my thoughts !!! ;-) > As for the Beatles just influencing britpop, > you are so blinkered if you think that¹s the case. > Do you live in a bubble and have only come out > when britpop occurred. well ... _FACT_ is that the beatles HAVE_INDEED massively influenced the so called brit pop movement incl. bands like oasis , blur , the stone roses , the happy mondays , etc. ... simply because the beatles ALWAYS were "a pop band" and MOST_DEFINITELY_NEVER_EVER "a rock band" !!! PERIOD_!!! [ short intermission ] > The Beatles use of melody, their instrumentation, songwriting style > has been an influence on everything from T Rex to Steps yep , that much is for sure !!! > and everything in between. once again : UTTER_BOGUS , jus' because such PLAIN_GENERALIZATIONS_SUCKS_HARDEST_IMHO_!!! :-/ what's next ??? :-o honestly statin' that the beatles "invented" pop music in general ??? *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) ( *ROTFLMAO* = *Rollin'OnTheFloorLaughin'MyAssOff* ;-))) fyi : THAT would be THE_GREATEST_LIE_IN_MUSICAL_HISTORY_AT_ALL_!!! > Even the most out there rock stuff is influenced by the Beatles. sure , there are certain influences by the beatles even in some songs by suzi quattro , gary glitter , the sex pistols , the damned , nirvana , mudhoney , iron maiden , ac/dc , metallica , etc. ... but I_BET that ALL these bands ( & many , many others too !!! ;-) could still exist even WITHOUT the beatles marginal influences on them !!! ;-) > And to deny that they changed music > is simply burying your head in the sand > and the opinion deserves the contempt it gets. fyi : i haven't stated that the beatles didn't changed the world of music as we know it by now , dear craig !!! ;-) btw ( by the way ) : the same goes for kw !!! ;-) BUT for LOTS of people like me ( a 34 year ol' male from northern germany ;-) the beatles were NEVER_EVER such a significant influence than for others !!! THAT'S_A_VERY_SIMPLE_FACT_!!! fyi : i don't own a single record by the beatles , simply because i NEVER had - nor suppose that i EVER will have ;-) - ANY greater interest in them or their music !!! but then again it jus' me ... & maybe only a few others !!! ;-) > So would you say that all techno doesn't featuring anything > that can be traced back to Kraftwerk? yes , i would indeed !!! ;-) fyi : klaus schulze , tangerine dream , jean michel jarre , etc. were also VERY_INFLUENTIAL on certain sub-genres of "techno-pop" !!! sometimes even more than kw ever was or would be !!! you simply CAN'T deny that , cant' u ??? ;-) > Because it's the same with the rest of pop music > and the Beatles. fyi : i take this ONLY as an opinion of a die-hard beatles fan ... nothin' more or less , dear craig !!! ;-) > And let's not forget, The beatles influenced Kraftwerk ... as much as karl-heinz stockhausen too !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) ( *ROTFLOL* = *Rollin'OnTheFloorLaughin'OutLoud* ;-))) > whether you want to think so or not. DAMN_RIGHT , mate !!! ;-) > Explain why you thing this is utter bogus well ... as i said above : IMHO it's indeed UTTER_BOGUS to state that ONLY the beatles "invented" pop music ... & ev'rythin' else played on guitars is massively influenced by them !!! :-/ to me this is jus' a very ARROGANT_&_UTTERLY_IGNORANT_STATEMENT of a die-hard beatles fanatic !!! PERIOD_!!! [ another short intermission ] fyi : i wholeheartedly HATE_PLAIN_GENERALIZATIONS , which only have their basis on rather dumb cliches !!! *grim* :-( GO_FIGURE_!!! p. s. : to me the beatles were much more influential to EVERY boy group ... simply because they were one of the first so called "boy groups" EVER_!!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay - who obviously isn't a great fan of the beatles !!! ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE II) Date: 19 Jul 2001 08:41:19 -0700 Here are the details you need to buy tickets for the previously = mentioned "elektronic" concerts with Stockhausen, William Orbit, Aphex Twin, etc: Location : Barbican Hall, London. Box Office: (020) 7638 8891 (International use +44 20 7638 8891) Tickets available : Friday 20th July 10am-8pm Prices : =A311*, =A314, =A317 or =A320 * Restricted audio seats (outside range of surround-sound system) Barbican Centre Silk Street London EC2Y 8DS Peace, Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:30:51 +0200 Oh jay>=20 > IMHO ( in my humble opinion ) the stones WERE much more influential on > "MODERN"_ROCK_BANDS , simply because the beatles NEVER_EVER were "a rock > band" - they were "POP" ... all the way !!! ;-) Err, "Helter Skelter"... And rock/pop it's splitting hairs, dude. Modern music with guitars and choruses is all pop ie popular music. It's a generic term. > so the beatles surely infulenced loads of other "pop" bands , BUT ... ban= ds > like the rolling stones & also the kinks were much more influential on > "modern" rock bands !!! Let's take this back: when was it that the stones suddenly became more original than the beatles? Oh yeh, never! Sure, they wrote some great songs and keith did some good riffs, but really= , other than Aerosmith and Primal Scream... > again , i'm really sorry , dear craig , but i still CAN'T see > ANY_SIGNIFICANT_INFLUENCE comin' from the beatles on glam rock , punk , > grunge nor heavy metal !!! Sweet, david Bowie, Sex Pistols, buzzcocks, nirvana, iron maiden one and al= l had in one way or another been influenced by the Beatles. Because the beatles DID IT ALL FIRST in such a huge globally recognised way that they couldn't fail to influence things. Why is it that the Beatles are as popula= r as ever? Because they are still relevant to all music and always have been and always will be. Even those that kick against the Beatles are still influenced by them, simply by going against what the Beatles did. It's simple, really. =20 > PLEASE give me at least SOME_OUTSTANDIN'_EXAMPLES of "modern" rock bands = or > simply ANY glam rock , punk , grunge or heavy metal band that were MORE > influenced by the beatles than by ROCK_BANDS like the stones or others !!= ! > fyi : u haven't written ANYTHIN' to prove me wrong by now , craig !!! ;-) Well let's look at an example shall we: Sgt Pepper influenced Satanic Majestys. Case closed. And see above paragraph for more examples. I could do you an alphabetical list of all the bands ever that came after the beatles if that'd drill a hole in your theory hard enough. > well ... _FACT_ is that the beatles HAVE_INDEED massively influenced the = so > called brit pop movement incl. bands like oasis , blur , the stone roses = , > the happy mondays , etc. ... simply because the beatles ALWAYS were "a po= p > band" and MOST_DEFINITELY_NEVER_EVER "a rock band" !!! PERIOD_!!! Firstly, Stone Roses or happy mondays weren't britpop. Secondly, see above thoughts on rock v pop. > once again : UTTER_BOGUS , jus' because such > PLAIN_GENERALIZATIONS_SUCKS_HARDEST_IMHO_!!! :-/ But, for once in this world it's a generalisation that is true. And, if you are so concerned about generalisations, then deal with it and don't spout useless ones yourself like your orignal one: "the rolling stones were much more influential than the beatles EVER were" > what's next ??? :-o honestly statin' that the beatles "invented" pop musi= c > in general ??? *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) > ( *ROTFLMAO* =3D *Rollin'OnTheFloorLaughin'MyAssOff* ;-))) > fyi : THAT would be THE_GREATEST_LIE_IN_MUSICAL_HISTORY_AT_ALL_!!! Where did I say they "invented" pop music? Get yer fucking facts right before you go rolling on the floor getting muck on yer trousers. =20 >> Even the most out there rock stuff is influenced by the Beatles. >=20 > sure , there are certain influences by the beatles even in some songs by > suzi quattro , gary glitter , the sex pistols , the damned , nirvana , > mudhoney , iron maiden , ac/dc , metallica , etc. ... but I_BET that ALL > these bands ( & many , many others too !!! ;-) could still exist even > WITHOUT the beatles marginal influences on them !!! ;-) Yeh, of course they could. And techno would be EXACTLY the same without Kraftwerk. You can't look at the what ifs, simply the fact that the Beatles happened and exerted and influence. You are clutching at greasy straws, my friend. > fyi : i haven't stated that the beatles didn't changed the world of music= as > we know it by now , dear craig !!! ;-) But you did state that: the beatles were only responsible for ... erm ... the so called britpop movement !!! > fyi : i don't own a single record by the beatles , simply because i NEVER > had - nor suppose that i EVER will have ;-) - ANY greater interest in the= m > or their music !!! > but then again it jus' me ... & maybe only a few others !!! ;-) That's fair enough, but you own records that were influenced by them. >> So would you say that all techno doesn't featuring anything >> that can be traced back to Kraftwerk? >=20 > yes , i would indeed !!! ;-) > fyi : klaus schulze , tangerine dream , jean michel jarre , etc. were als= o > VERY_INFLUENTIAL on certain sub-genres of "techno-pop" !!! sometimes even > more than kw ever was or would be !!! > you simply CAN'T deny that , cant' u ??? ;-) I#m not denying that this is the case, what I am saying is that somewhere i= n any techno act's dna, there's a bit of kraftwerk. >> Because it's the same with the rest of pop music >> and the Beatles. >=20 > fyi : i take this ONLY as an opinion of a die-hard beatles fan ... nothin= ' > more or less , dear craig !!! ;-) I'm no die hard Beatles fan. I like them, own a few records, but they certainly aren't anywhere near my top ten. =20 >> And let's not forget, The beatles influenced Kraftwerk >=20 > ... as much as karl-heinz stockhausen too !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) > ( *ROTFLOL* =3D *Rollin'OnTheFloorLaughin'OutLoud* ;-))) See many previous point,s I'm bored of using the same true words over again =20 > well ... as i said above : IMHO it's indeed UTTER_BOGUS to state that ONL= Y > the beatles "invented" pop music ... Clunk! there goes another. Never said it, your honour. > to me this is jus' a very ARROGANT_&_UTTERLY_IGNORANT_STATEMENT of a > die-hard beatles fanatic !!! PERIOD_!!! Arrogant: Hmmm, I believe strongly in what I'm saying, if you view that as arrogant, then whatever.... Ignorant: you cheeky boy, you. > fyi : i wholeheartedly HATE_PLAIN_GENERALIZATIONS , which only have their > basis on rather dumb cliches !!! *grim* :-( > GO_FIGURE_!!! See previous comments about generalisations. =20 > p. s. : to me the beatles were much more influential to EVERY boy group .= .. > simply because they were one of the first so called "boy groups" EVER_!!! > *LOL* ;-))) I'm not getting dragged into your little web there, spiderman. Craig ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 http://www.flipflopflyin.com ..-.=A0.-..=A0..=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0---=A0.--.=A0/ =A0..-.=A0.-..=A0-.--=A0..=A0-.=A0.----.=A0 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?kraftwerk_=28_kw_=29_gegen_=22k=E4fer=22_=28_vw_=29_..?= Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:33:48 +0200 hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote : > They do not actively promote, follow trends etc. IMHO kw are ( or were ??? ;-) as much as a "trend" in itself as the beatles once were ... & many , many other artists , musicians , etc. too !!! ;-) btw : the "crazy" austrian artist adolf wölfli draw pictures of "campbell's tomato soup" & "rama margarine" several DECADES before andy warhol even thought of bein' an artist of the so called "modern pop culture" ... but wölfli remained nearly unnoticed by the general public , because he was "too crazy" for his time !!! *slyest_grin* ;-) so PLEASE_DON'T tell me that warhol "invented" the so called "modern pop culture" or somethin' like that ... only because HE was noticed first by the general public !!! ;-) get the "picture" ... finally ??? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah..... Date: 19 Jul 2001 18:46:08 +0200 hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote again : > And if this were a general discussion list > I may not be so flippant. > But this is a KW list and as a subscriber > it should not be so shocking that I prefer to hang out > with the lazy thieves because they make great music. > Also, I have no inclination to go to the Peter Gabriel mailing list > promote KW as a more worthy clause. well ... i sincerely hope that we can say the same thing about the beatles topic here right now , can't we ??? ;-) > Respectfully your, oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Electric Music ? Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:18:08 +0200 I recently found the following at a record shop catalogue: ELECTRIC MUSIC "Psychic F.O." CDS Does anyone of you know if it is a Karl Bartos item? TIA DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE III) Date: 19 Jul 2001 10:05:01 -0700 I wrote: > Location: Barbican Hall, London. > Box Office: (020) 7638 8891 (International use +44 20 7638 8891) > Tickets available: Friday 20th July 10am-8pm > Prices : =A311*, =A314, =A317 or =A320 I just called in, and tickets were available since first thing this = morning, Thu 19th! and they're going FAST, specially the ones priced at =A320 so = if you want to be part of history, better hurry up!!! Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Re: DrukQs Date: 19 Jul 2001 11:07:46 -0700 DER AUTOMAT asked: > Excuse me, I don't follow the joke. When I say it outloud it sounds > like "druckews". Clue me in please. How about: "drug use" :-) Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivo Peeters" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Music ? Date: 19 Jul 2001 20:09:36 +0200 No. I have seen this listed before. It seems to be a UK band. Ivo > > I recently found the following at a record shop catalogue: > > ELECTRIC MUSIC "Psychic F.O." CDS > > Does anyone of you know if it is a Karl Bartos item? > > TIA > > DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 19 Jul 2001 19:48:30 +0100 Radioactivity Brixton 1991. fernando played the wrong part during the bridge and started playing the morse code sequence. Mark ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:11 PM kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 20:59:01 +0200 hi kwf's ! well ... i'm really sorry , but i still DON'T see the beatles as the MOST_INFLUENTIAL "pop band" in musical history ... not even after all your rather eloquent argumentation , dear craig !!! ;-) maybe we can finally say that the beatles are "the most popular example of a boy group" & therefore they were "a pop band" , who influenced loads of other "pop bands" significantly & that kw does the same with "electronic ( dance ) music" later on , while the rollin' stones always were "a rock band" & therefore influenced other "rock bands" more significantly than the beatles did !? ;-) btw : the rest is merely "splittin' hairs" in microcosmical dimensions !!! *hehehe* ;-))) ... & YES , there still IS ( & supposedly ever will be !!! ;-) a highly significant diff'rence between "a pop band" & "a rock band" as much as there is a highly significant diff'rence between kw & nearly EV'RY_DEEJAY - like for instance sven väth ;-) - who produces his own music !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) ~*~ craig wrote once again : > Sweet, david Bowie, Sex Pistols, buzzcocks, nirvana, iron maiden > one and all had in one way or another been influenced by the Beatles. that much is for sure , mate !!! ;-) > Because the beatles DID IT ALL FIRST so u are goin' to say that the beatles somehow "invented" glam rock , punk , grunge ... & even heavy metal ??? *utterly_curious_indeed* ;-))) sorry mate , but i must *LOL* extensively about this rather ridiculous conclusion !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) > Well let's look at an example shall we: > Sgt Pepper influenced Satanic Majestys. Case closed. erm ... i'm sorry , but what exactly do u mean with "satanic majestys" , mate ??? *even_more_curious_than_before* could u please explain this more coherently ??? *pure_curiosity* > Firstly, Stone Roses or happy mondays weren't britpop. well ... WHAT were they then ... if NOT brit pop ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) > But, for once in this world it's a generalisation that is true. fyi : NO generalization could ever be "true" , simply because the whole "concept" of generalizations is UTTER_BOGUS_!!! :-/ > And, if you are so concerned about generalisations, then deal with it > and don't spout useless ones yourself like your orignal one: > "the rolling stones were much more influential than the beatles EVER were" fyi again : the original sentence was : "don't forget that the rolling stones were much more influential than the beatles EVER were ... concernin' "modern" rock bands !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) anyway ... i still stand to THIS sentence in all its meanin' , mate !!! ;-) > Where did I say they "invented" pop music? nope , u don't ... & i only asked "what's next ???" etc. !!! ;-) > But you did state that: > the beatles were only responsible for ... erm ... > the so called britpop movement !!! well ... weren't they ??? *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) > That's fair enough, but you own records that were influenced by them. so what ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) does this "infect" me with their "influence" ??? *VBG* ;-))) ( *VBG* = *VeryBigGrin* ;-))) fyi : i'm "immune" against beetles , because i have some effective "bug powder" !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) > I'm not getting dragged into your little web there, spiderman. well ... i personally prefer to be "spiderman" , than to be "a beetle" !!! *LOLITA* ;-))) ( *LOLITA* = *Laughin'OutLoudInTremendousAmusement* ;-))) however ... thanx a whole lot for your "lesson in modern musical history" , mate !!! *indeed_thankful_smile* :-) cheers 'n' greetinx to y' all , kw fellows !!! :-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 12:59:38 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Christian Claycomb wrote: > *ROTFLOL* "Geekoid"?!?!? I think it adds to the character of the > e-mail!!! ;-) It gives you more insight into the way the writter is > feeling/thinking... besides...... why not have a more colorful > e-mail!?!?! Keeps it interesting IMO!! Persionally I like it.... and > yes..... it influenced me!!! *LOL* Don't say colorful! People might start using HTML emails. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Shock the Keyboard, yeah yeah..... Date: 19 Jul 2001 12:38:52 -0700 I wrote: > Peter Gabriel likes to experiment with new things, and > contrary to KW, he even admits when stealing ideas. ian t then replied: >> I wish Mr Gabriel well in his honest experimentations. Enrique has >> a personal opinion that Peter Gabriel is in many ways superior >> in ideas and integrity than KW. I never tried to imply that he was 'superior in ideas'... maybe one with more 'integrity' (being respectful and sincere to your fans gives you more 'integrity'), but never 'superior'. Peter's music is great, and so is KW's. I for one, don't put my favorite band or solo artist up on a pedestal, I don't light candles for them at night, or have tattooed their names on my arm either. I'm not trying to defend or attack either one of them. I'm only trying to make a point using another artist as an example, that's all. >> I respect the fact that Enrique is a fan of Peter Gabriel. I am, but that's not the reason why I've posted that piece of information here before, in fact I beat omega chance to it. To the point: I'm a 'fan' of honest people. Like Peter and say... Wolfgang (Jean Michel Jarre is another good example I've mentioned not long ago in this very list). People who talks to you, listens to you and doesn't hide from the public eye trying to become some mystic legend, or a robot. They both have written books, they're transparent, human. People who have had problems like you and me. They don't portray an image of perfection, we all know that perfection is a goal hardly ever achievable. Even robots aren't perfect, and they certainly freak out when someone tries to tell the world otherwise :-) >> And if this were a general discussion list I may not be so flippant. AFAIK, this has always been an 'electronic' general discussion list, with special focus on KW; at least that was Lazlo's original intention, or was it? KW being such an influential act, it's hard not to mention, at some point, other musicians and other influential artists, like The Beatles, Peter Gabriel, David Bowie and Beach Boys to name only a few. You loose perspective when you stop looking around. If I see a concert with Aphex Twin, Stockhausen and William Orbit (all artists mentioned in this list before) I try to let everyone know. Is that wrong? You know? Come to think of it, it's really hard not to talk about other artists in a list named after some very lazy ones. Peace, Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human 2... Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:16:39 -0500 Well, I think we all know Mr. and Mrs. Kraftwerk have been the "real" couple all along. Your hypothetical idea of Schneider leaving the band is well... absurd. What if we were recently told by Hutter that Schneider never did anything other than talk into a vocoder. Would anybody on the list actually believe this? Of course, I don't really know too much of either of their personal contributions, but I certainly think Schneider was an addition to what is Kraftwerk. You are all too correct about Kraftwerk and their image. And now having written for a bit on this subject, I am contemplating whether the "true" Kraftwerk members wanted their "percussionists" for something else... to add to their image. Really... think about it. I've yet to read Flur's book (though I really want to, as he is my most favored member), but wasn't he of a more "pop" background. He's much better looking than the "true" members. Did they want his "pop" influence (hmm... perhaps a contribution to the band) or his good looks to get them women? Why two "percussionists?" I'm sure there must be valid reasons which are not entirely known to me, but all I can speculate (and return a most certain snubbing towards best band yet) is that they wanted to be a four piece... like the Beatles. Bottom line: If they didn't want Bartos and Flur in Kraftwerk, the names and images of the latter two should never have been presented in such a way. Don't make them robots too. Don't put their natural or computer images on the covers. Don't do any encapsulation of the sort. They didn't do so for their hardware or software engineers and certainly not the legendary fourth member... they could have easily put a robot dummy with the image of Emil Schult on stage, drawing a picture, but they didn't! O... and don't let the idea of Kraftwerk's mystery and overall cold nature excuse poor treatment and perhaps immoral behavior. Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human 1... Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:36:27 -0500 I wrote this message prior to my one about The Beatles, but for some reason it didn't get posted... I am wondering if there is a filter of some kind for list. So I'm sending them it in parts. (wondering which portion is being filtered) to the band's past work. For what I have heard, seen, and inferred, I can only see what I think is Hutter and Schneider's main fault with the entire situation: They made the mistake when they brought the two "percussionists" INTO the band. I stress the word "into"... and not just the performing band... but Kraftwerk. For what are seemingly external credits given to Bartos and Flur as collaborators, Kraftwerk seems to contradict itself. I can only apply the metaphor of a marriage. Say two people marry. For what reason? So they can say they have a spouse? The two do things together, take pictures with each other, and even have children together. However, everything gets bad soon afterwards. Sixteen years later they get a divorce. One, say the male whom keeps his given name, claims that their relationship was nothing other than a business agreement. How moral is it for that same one to tell the children that the other parent is not their mother and was never in the family? That is the same question presented in both situations. (Continued) Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:37:47 -0500 Ah, how amusing it is to throw the list some fresh meat and watch everyone tear it apart. Almost like when I suggested Kraftwerk's psychedelic drug use being "reflected" in "Halls of Mirrors." The replies transformed it to talking about the technical methods used in the song to pictures of them naked to verbal fist fights about homosexuality and Nazis. I knew most of you would misinterpret my message's purpose. I won't state the claim that the Beatles are responsible for the anyone else's music, simply because I'm not egotistical enough to believe that I've completely and accurately mapped all of the musical influences throughout time. I mean there were influences and pioneers before the Beatles and were some before them as well and so on. I could try and trace music to the living heart or the first rhythmic steps of man to the very amoeboid we sprouted from and it's electrons. But I won't. I won't and wish none of you would either. I just rebuked one of those egotistical and hypocritical statements. All I wanted to say was that it is as wrong to think that the Beatles did nothing for music as it is to think that of Kraftwerk and perhaps any other band. Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark" Subject: Re: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:43:57 +0100 s. All I wanted to say was that it is as wrong to think > that the Beatles did nothing for music as it is to think that of Kraftwerk and .... ok, maybe I'm alone in this but I am sick to death of the media's obsession with The Beatles. Every issue of every magazine seems to say to us that the Beatles were the best band there ever was, ever could be, ever will be, and that they pioneered everything worth pioneering. Now, I'm all for respect where its due, but the media's obsessing over John Lennon seems to devalue everything that has happened ever since, as if no good music could ever be made any more, and whatever any artist tries to do, pales into comparisonn to John Lennon, who no doubt would laugh at all the fawning fools. Remember the people who were hip in the 60's are now in their sixties. Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Emery Subject: (kw) beatlewerk Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:16:48 -0600 May I say that the word "pop" as in pop music begs a semantic question? In Italy, for example, they label almost everything that's not classical, "pop." Here in the states, it often means "bubblegum," which is simple, made-for-airplay, easy to like, not too rockin', (with exceptions. Also defined as popular culture - mass media.) "Computer World" is more 'pop' than "Numbers," by like definition. Anyway, I hope the recent spirited discussion doesn't get personal, as it is very interesting. But it reminds me of a friend-musician who said: "man, what does anyone see in Jimi Hendrix? He just SUCKS!" Shallow way to say "not my type of music." Gotta say I agree with Craig - "Aah, jeez, it's such a childish attitude by Ralf & Florian. It's like football players leaving a club after they won a cup, and then finding the club's cut out their photos from the celebration photos and all the record books." Let's chop out George, Ringo, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, Grace Slick, she was such a bitch, Stevie Nicks, I heard she was a bitch too, and Bill Berry - why'd he leave a great band like R.E.M., anyway? Bands have always had problems, it's a wonder any of 'em are still together. Anyway, that's one reason I try to focus on only the music. Most band members turn out to be assholes, so write them off early, then you don't get disappointed. Still, it's fascinating to know the history, the humans behind the music. It's fun to hear that sometimes they are interesting people that would be fun to meet. Hard to remain unaffected when you hear bad things - it can taint the music. I guess it's human to be a jerk, sometimes. Perhaps robots would be a little more pleasant to each other. Bix # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: (kw) The 60's! Date: 19 Jul 2001 17:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Mark wrote: "Remember the people who were hip in the 60's are now in their sixties"... LOL ... or dead... LOL (not ROTFLMAO but pretty funny) <:-] Kraftwerk may be silent for now, but the LIST is pretty much ALIVE! Keep werking!!! ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:25:43 -0400 >>> erm ... sorry, matt, but don't forget that the rolling stones were much more influential than the beatles EVER were ... concernin' "modern" rock bands !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) kw were somehow the precursors of hip hop/electro/house/techno, etc., but the beatles were only responsible for ... erm ... the so called brit pop movement!!! *BWG* ;-))) they (the beatles ;-) didn't influence glam rock or punk nor grunge or heavy metal at all, my dear friend!!! *pretty_convinced_smile* :-) <<< And when was the last time, though, that you saw a Beatles house remix? The 'Stones have two so far ("Saint of Me" remixed by Deep Dish and "Anyone Seen My Baby?" remixed by Armand Van Helden--both are BILLIONS of times better than the originals! But then, I'm biased 'cause I love house and hate rock!) I certainly would like to see Todd Terry work his beat-and-sample magic on "Revolution #9"! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) kw vs. beatles!? Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:29:53 -0400 The REAL (our favorite band) has two points up on those other hacks: better BEATS (what was the last Beatles song with a phat beat? Were there any? I don't think so!) and melodies--no doubt! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Beatlwerk... Date: 19 Jul 2001 23:44:48 -0400 >>> .... ok, maybe I'm alone in this but I am sick to death of the media's obsession with The Beatles. Every issue of every magazine seems to say to us that the Beatles were the best band there ever was, ever could be, ever will be, and that they pioneered everything worth pioneering. Now, I'm all for respect where its due, but the media's obsessing over John Lennon seems to devalue everything that has happened ever since, as if no good music could ever be made any more, and whatever any artist tries to do, pales into comparisonn to John Lennon, who no doubt would laugh at all the fawning fools. <<< I totally agree. I'm so glad (NO sarcasm) that they're now putting Tupac Shakur in the same category as Lennon. Why couldn't they have made an equally big deal when Scott LaRock, KRS-One's original partner in Boogie Down Productions, was murdered back in 1987 as they did with Lennon's death? Besides, Tupac has BEATS. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 20 Jul 2001 09:45:45 +0200 Hi, This is hilarious, I'm enjoying it. Hello OJ, you funny man, I'll try and keep this short and sweet and not quote you cos, as always, looking at your writing style gives me brain cramp. And other folk are probably sick of this. 1. To dimiss the beatles as a boy group and a pop group in inverted commas like it's something to be ashamed of in the manner that you do is hilarious and childish. A song like Be My Baby by the Ronettes is a pop song, yet it is sublime and beautiful. And I don't just think pop music stopped being beautiful, britney's Baby One More time is similarly gorgeous. Pop is nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not saying that you said it was, just stating my opinion. 2. The stones were as much a pop group as the beatles. I'd be interested to know why you see there to be a difference. 3. I didn't say the beatles invented glam, punk etc, just that these are all sub genres of modern popular music, popular music that was, sigh, influenced by guess who. In this world we are all influenced by everything we see or hear or do, consciously or not, positively or negatively, I think Frank Capra's "It's A Wonderful Life" explains that wonderfully. Undeniably (go on, try) the beatles exerted a far greater influence on modern popular music than any other act to have existed. I'm trying to find an anology that will explain. Basically, if you make a cup of black coffee, let's call it popular music, then add a bit of milk, let's call that The Beatles, the coffee will always, no matter how much sugar or more coffee or water you add have some milk in there, especially if other people come along who like milk and add a bit more milk cos they liked the influence milk had on the coffee. 4. Satanic Majesty's. "Their Satanic Majesty's Request" the Rolling Stones' "psychedelic" album. 5. Stone Roses came along 6 years before Britpop took hold, and were part of a completely separate UK scene. A scene that was more or less dead before depending on who you want to believe, Suede or Blur came along and gave British guitar based pop music a new focal point. 6. If ALL generalisations are "bogus", then what about the generalisation that all starving people are hungry. A generalisation, one which I can't and am not willing to prove, but I think we can all agree that it's not a lie. Everything else to reply to is just tautology, so I'm not gonna bother. Apologies to those who feel that the subject of Kraftwerk hasn't been addressed in these mails. True, it hasn't, but fuck it, I've enjoyed it, I'd like to think Oh Jay has too. And Andrew, I may be wrong, but I think you are probably refering to me when you say: > I won't state the claim that the Beatles are responsible for the anyone > else's music, simply because I'm not egotistical enough to believe that I've > completely and accurately mapped all of the musical influences throughout > time. I don't claim to have done such a thing, just that I truly with all my heart and soul believe that if we were to sit down and do such a map of popular music (ie generally western music from rock n roll onwards) and do a poll of the musicians who made that music, we'd find that the beatles would come out on top. Mark, I agree about the obsession with beatles by the media, it to me seems like a easy way for MOJO to bump up their sales figures. The thing is I guess it does that very thing, else they wouldn't keep doing it. I personally think Lennon is over-rated and McCartney undervalued when the Beatles are written about, but I guess that's what happens if one of you gets murdered and the other lives happily with his family on a farm. Anyway, it's late, I'm knackered, it's been an absolute joy today, had a lot of fun. Sleep well, Craig :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Live! At the International Hotel, Las Vegas http://www.flipflopflyin.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kw vs. beatles !? ;-) Date: 20 Jul 2001 10:03:54 +0100 for instance sven vth ;-) - who produces his own music !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) As I understand it, it was mostly Ralf Hildenbeutel who produced and twiddled the knobs, Sven just came up with the ideas. Shaun (just nit-picking) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so hu... Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:35:34 +0200 Hi Ian, I enjoyed your mail. Very interesting, I guess we'll disagree on Kraftwerk which is a sign of something... > However, the idea that KW is first and foremost an art concept rather than a simple pop group is surely worthy of consideration, if not acceptance. I have considered it, but ultimately, they chose to work in an arena where they release records, do videos, appear on tv shows (however irregularly), release promotional items, make tshirts, go on tour. All things that are far more pop than art, I would say. My point really is that no matter what R&F's and possibly K&W's view of how Kraftwerk should be, they are also intellegent humans who should realise that they, to the majority of the outside world, are a pop group. Nothing more. There are those of us who find more in their music. I do, but I still think they are first and foremost a fucking superb pop group. And, really, all this has been a long way of saying what I originally said: R&F are childish and petty. I imagine they never explained to W&K that their presence would be erased from the history of the band if they left. I know if I were told that before joining a band, I'd never join, cos I wouldn't want to work with people like that. It's just a matter of respect, I think. R&F obviously care not one bit about giving their respect to K&W, and that, in my book taints my opinion of them and makes them shallow, empty human beings. It's a shame. > If I was a > member of KW and left I would expect to be erased from history. You have low self esteem there, mister. Oh, sorry I should put a winky smiley thing there, shouldn't I? > I am interested in KW not four individuals. But that is the thing! Kraftwerk DON'T EXIST without HUMAN BEINGS to make the music, create the "art" you see. Do you not see that? Craig http://www.flipflopflyin.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so hu... Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:46:55 +0200 craig wrote: > And, really, all this has been a long way of saying what I originally said: > R&F are childish and petty. I imagine they never explained to W&K that their > presence would be erased from the history of the band if they left. I know > if I were told that before joining a band, I'd never join, cos I wouldn't > want to work with people like that. If R&F had known W would write a book like this he might not have been hired. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) I Was A Robot - great book and so human 2... Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:10:04 +0100 Andrew Dieffenbach wrote: > Well, I think we all know Mr. and Mrs. Kraftwerk have been the "real" couple > all > along. Hmm... If Ralf wants to be known as "Mr Kraftwerk" (if that is true?), does that make Florian "Mrs Kraftwerk"? It seems from what Wolfgang's book that "Mother Kraftwerk" is already taken (who does that refer to? My only guess was Brigitte Helm, but that can't be right...?!). > Your hypothetical idea of Schneider leaving the band is well... > absurd. > What if we were recently told by Hutter that Schneider never did anything > other > than talk into a vocoder. Would anybody on the list actually believe this? > Of > course, I don't really know too much of either of their personal > contributions, > but I certainly think Schneider was an addition to what is Kraftwerk. It's amusing to recall that Florian is (AFAIK) the only member of Kraftwerk never to have left. Even Ralf was gone for a time. > valid reasons which are not entirely known to me, but all I can speculate (and > return a most certain snubbing towards best band yet) is that they wanted to > be a > > four piece... This is the usual theory. > like the Beatles. It's strange that no-one has mentioned the Beach Boys in this thread. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE II) Date: 20 Jul 2001 12:41:15 +0100 Many thanks to Enrique for alerting us to the Barbican (London) concerts by Aphex Twin and Stockhausen (no, not together... AFAIK...!). Sorry to continue a UK-only, OT-thread, but perhaps the following will interest some of you. The Barbican has a tacky style-over-substance Web site (typical of such organisations) but I found the following pages: DJ Prichard.G.Jams pka Aphex Twin [sic] Sunday 14 October No start time given! http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=3D509&artForm=3Dmusic Billed as "a rare, live, UK performance" but also as "an intimate ambient D= J set" - so it's not clear whether he is playing live, just (?) DJing, or something between the two (actually, the last time I went to see him at the South Bank he didn't show at all!). Oh, and the Barbican says "His classic releases, such as Selected Ambient Work (1992) and Selected Ambient Works Vol 2 (1994) placed his inventions in sound right alongside the achievement= s of Stockhausen, Ligeti, Xenakis and Reich". Now, he's good. But I think eve= n most of his biggest fans would have to admit that's a pretty ****ing audacious claim, to be polite... Hymnen=20 Karlheinz Stockhausen Saturday 13 October at 8pm http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=3D329&artForm=3Dmusic "Sound and light projection Karlheinz Stockhausen Stockhausen=B9s acclaimed electronic and =B9concrete music=B9 masterpiece. Based on national anthems from around the world, Hymnen creates a musical vision of the unity of peoples and nations. There will be a pre-concert introduction by Karlheinz Stockhausen". 7 scenes from Light Karlheinz Stockhausen Sunday 14 October at 5.30pm http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp?eventID=3D330&artForm=3Dmusic "For the first time in the UK, a chance to experience a chamber presentatio= n of excerpts from the opera cycle Light, an epic project that Stockhausen ha= s been creating for the last thirty years. There will be a pre-concert introduction by Karlheinz Stockhausen". Related events: http://www.barbican.org.uk/search.asp?stext=3Dstockhausen E&OE K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 20 Jul 2001 13:15:53 +0100 ian tyson wrote: > Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong > anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. That's what I thought initially, but isn't the X part of the "Autobahn" sign? Indicating to motorists (and the audience!) "end of Autobahn"? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 20 Jul 2001 14:18:39 +0200 In Birmingham 1991, after Florian finished his "solo" in "Music Non Stop", suddenly the sequence started, which was actually Fernando's part. Obviously he forgot, that Fritz was still there ;-) Gunnar Mark wrote: > > Radioactivity Brixton 1991. fernando played the wrong part during the bridge > and started playing the morse code sequence. > Mark -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 20 Jul 2001 14:28:49 +0200 Kevin Busby wrote: > > ian tyson wrote: > > > Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong > > anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. There were more lyrics stating they were rather fed up with being on tour, listing which cities they visited on tour, something like this: "Von Dusseldorf nach Berlin auf der Autobahn" "Von Berlin nach Linz auf der Autobahn" "Von Bologna nach Utrecht auf der Autobahn" "Taeglich vier Stunden Autobahn" "Immer wieder immer wieder Autobahn" From X to Y on the autobahn Daily 4 hours Autobahn Always, always Autobahn I missed the kotzen/vomit bit in Utrecht... I guess it was more their personal dislike of being on tour than an aversion against motoring. Though the initial romance of the Autobahn in general has vanished of course with modern great big traffic jams and pollution. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE II) (fwd) Date: 20 Jul 2001 17:48:36 +0200 > Oh, and the Barbican says "His classic > releases, such as Selected Ambient Work (1992) and Selected Ambient Works > Vol 2 (1994) placed his inventions in sound right alongside the achievements > of Stockhausen, Ligeti, Xenakis and Reich". Now, he's good. But I think even > most of his biggest fans would have to admit that's a pretty ****ing > audacious claim, to be polite... If you want to know what Stockhausen thinks about the music of Aphex Twin aka R.D.James (quite silly idea to even ask him) and vice versa, have a look at: www.stockhausen.org/ksadvice.html > Hymnen > Karlheinz Stockhausen > Saturday 13 October at 8pm > 7 scenes from Light > Karlheinz Stockhausen > Sunday 14 October at 5.30pm The most interesting (to me) Stockhausen performance is on October 15: FRIDAY from LIGHT (complete) for soloists and electronic music (multi-channel tape). Or was that one cancelled? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE II) Date: 20 Jul 2001 18:02:04 +0200 Enrique Correa wrote: > Here are the details you need to buy tickets for the previously mention= ed > "elektronic" concerts with Stockhausen, William Orbit, Aphex Twin, etc: > Location : Barbican Hall, London. > Box Office: (020) 7638 8891 (International use +44 20 7638 8891) > Tickets available : Friday 20th July 10am-8pm > Prices : =A311*, =A314, =A317 or =A320 > * Restricted audio seats (outside range of surround-sound system) > Barbican Centre > Silk Street > London EC2Y 8DS For what it is worth, an AFX mailing list group member checked with the Barbican and they insist Aphex Twin is not on the bill... Stockhausen is = on the previous 3 nights, the 18th Oct show is Orbit only. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) it's time to change the subject , fellows !!! ;-) Date: 20 Jul 2001 16:48:43 +0200 hi kwf's ! Shaun Vaughan wrote: > As I understand it, it was mostly Ralf Hildenbeutel who produced > and twiddled the knobs, Sven just came up with the ideas. > > Shaun > (just nit-picking) well ... that's X-ACTLY what i meant & why i added my *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* to it , shaun !!! *hehehe* ;-))) hope y' all get the picture ... by now !? *big_wide_curious_grin* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 21 Jul 2001 07:57:55 +0200 The X'ed "Autobahn"-sign is just a common traffic sign in Germany like the un-X'ed one. Begin of the freeway - End of freeway. Gunnar Kevin Busby wrote: > > ian tyson wrote: > > > Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong > > anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. > > That's what I thought initially, but isn't the X part of the "Autobahn" > sign? Indicating to motorists (and the audience!) "end of Autobahn"? > > K -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) Anthony Rother vs. (or with) Andrea Parker Date: 21 Jul 2001 07:59:57 +0200 This week's Electronic Beats show features Anthony Rother and Andrea Parker interviewing each other. What they are talking is not really interesting or kw-relevant, but... The preview trailer for next week's show begins with a still from the "Musique Non Stop"-video backgrounded with "Boing Bumm Tschak". Main topic will be "Musik und Maschine" featuring DJ Hell for example. Might be interesting, so don't miss it. Fri. 27th July, 8:00pm CEST and Sat. 28th July 3:00pm CEST on VIVA ZWEI and Wed. 1st Aug. 11:00pm CEST on VIVA (EINS!) Regards Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Date: 21 Jul 2001 10:26:14 +0200 Mal was anderes: IMHO the rhythm-track of "EXPO2000" or the "Music Non Stop"-sequence at kraftwerk.com seems to be a variation of the Autobahn (The Mix-version)-one. Gunnar Gunnar Wess wrote: > > The X'ed "Autobahn"-sign is just a common traffic sign in Germany like > the un-X'ed one. Begin of the freeway - End of freeway. > > Gunnar > > Kevin Busby wrote: > > > > ian tyson wrote: > > > > > Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong > > > anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. > > > > That's what I thought initially, but isn't the X part of the "Autobahn" > > sign? Indicating to motorists (and the audience!) "end of Autobahn"? > > > > K -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) Autobahn X-planation Date: 21 Jul 2001 15:21:59 +0000 In recent years kw have taken a more consious stand towards environmental concerns. Greenpeace concert/video etc, and taken to driving smaller more fuel efficient cars (VW Golf instead of Merc) and this is what led me to this conclusion. I was not aware of the German road sign. Thanks for enlightening me Gunner. ian t The X'ed "Autobahn"-sign is just a common traffic sign in Germany like the un-X'ed one. Begin of the freeway - End of freeway. Gunnar Kevin Busby wrote: > >ian tyson wrote: > > > Note that when performed live the Autobahn video had a strong > > anti-car statement when an X was drawn over the screen. > >That's what I thought initially, but isn't the X part of the "Autobahn" >sign? Indicating to motorists (and the audience!) "end of Autobahn"? > >K _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 21 Jul 2001 19:43:42 +0200 Hello, thank you all very much for your help. Could maybe some of you make some mp3's of these mistakes for me? Not the whole songs, only the bad part, and in a small file (96 kbps). Thank you in advance, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk, a pop band, i think not Date: 21 Jul 2001 12:06:10 -0600 Hello Kraftwerkers, Okay, kraftwerk has had several pop songs (i.e. the model) but for the most part they are an experimental band. listening to exceller8 you notice things such as classical music themes with machine driven sounds. Only recently has kraftwerk began to consciously create music to please the general public (the mix, tour de france and expo 2000). however this does not designate them as a pop band. Honestly do you really beleive krafterk could be a pop band? i can't beleive that you would beleive it. Angus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk, a pop band, i think not Date: 21 Jul 2001 20:42:53 +0200 hi kwf's ! Angus Durrie wrote : > Only recently has kraftwerk began to consciously create music > to please the general public (the mix, tour de france and expo 2000). > however this does not designate them as a pop band. > Honestly do you really beleive krafterk could be a pop band? > i can't beleive that you would beleive it. well ... "recently" is almost 15 years ago , dear angus !!! ;-) anyway ... holger czukay of the german band "CAN" once said in an interview about kw : "they started as pioneers , but by now they are only 'sound designers' in a generation of other 'sound designers' , which makes it really hard for them ( kw ;-) to compete with today's electronical music scene !!!" ... & guess what ??? ... he's ABSOLUTELY_RIGHT about that !!! *sigh* :-o however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) Tour de France Date: 21 Jul 2001 19:36:15 +0000 "I think Jan Ullrich will win" "Is Kevin Livingston doing so badly because he does not fit in the Telekom Man-Machine? "I program cyclo-computer." Hi all(e), I'm just back from the TdF myself. I rode the famous l'Alpe d'Huez climb -- 14 km of very steep hairpins -- wearing my www.kraftwerk.com cycling shirt. Sadly I didn't quite break the hour for the ascent, only managing 1 hr 7 mins, about twice what the pros take. Lance Armstrong will win the Tour -- he's the real Man-Machine, IMO, not Jan. Cheers, Richard


"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dante de Conti Neto Subject: (kw) upgrade ftp.dante.eti.br Date: 21 Jul 2001 19:44:14 -0300 HI kwf's ! I upgrade my ftp (ftp://ftp.dante.eti.br or ftp://200.206.160.16 user anonymous pass ) Available 2.4GB in 784 files (34 folders, see below). Regards, Dante. Folders: /cg : computer graphics live emulation /covers : song covers and remixes in mp3 format /covers/ashortintroducionto : full mp3 tracks "a short introduction to KRAFTWERK" CD (NEW) /covers/transsloveniaexpress : full mp3 tracks "Trans Slovenia Express" CD (NEW) /covers/thebalanescuquartet : full mp3 tracks "Possessed" Balanescu Quartet CD (NEW) /expo2000 : full mp3 tracks "EXPO 2000" CD (NEW) /expo2000/remixes : full mp3 tracks "EXPO 2000" remixes by varius artists (NEW) /expecial : special remixes and other things /especial/kraftwerk.com : all flash animations kraftwerk.com files (NEW) /especial/computerwelt : full mp3 tracks "Computer World" album in deutsch version (NEW) /images : lots of band images /karl : Karl Bartos stuff /karl/electricmusic : full mp3 tracks "Elektric Music" 2 CDs /karl/live : live perfomance in Live Palladium Kolnn (real format) /live : varius live perfomances (1981, 1991, 1997, 1998 & Concert Classics CD) /live/81 : full London 1981 live perfomance (mp3). /live/91 : full Dusseldorf 1991 live perfomance "The Mix" pre-release (mp3). /live/97 : 1997 live perfomances (Linz, Tribal Gathering, ZKW) /live/98 : 1998 live perfomances (Detroit, San Francisco, Tokio, Buenos Aires) /live/concertclassics : full mp3 tracks "Concert Classics" CD (Sonic Book). /othermp3 : when mounted my all mp3 files /tourdefrance: full mp3 tracks "Tour de france" oficial CD (NEW) /uploads : New files are welcome here (please help me) /videos : various videos (clips & live perfomance). /vintage/kraftwer1 : full mp3 tracks "Kraftwerk 1" LP. /vintage/kraftwer2 : full mp3 tracks "Kraftwerk 2" LP. /vintage/organisation : full mp3 tracks "Organisation" LP (NEW) /wolfgang : mp3 track remix by Wolfgang Flur. /wolfgane/yamo : full mp3 tracks "Time Pie" CD. !README: this file !COMPLETELIST: complete file list names # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Date: 21 Jul 2001 20:20:19 -0600 hello kraftwerkers Oh jay, i completly agree with you. and CAN also made a point saying that they were pioneers, they continue to make the same kind of music which does make it almost impossible for them to keep up with the current market. though expo 2000 was a great peice of work, it still wont be played on the top 40 charts of any radio station i know, their attempts at making modern mainstream dance and electronica were hampered by the fact that the come from classical music backgrounds, you notice these tendencies most in kraftwerk, kraftwerk 2 and ralf and florian and then again in the mix. but now i realize that i've lost my point, but whatever it was i hope it's made a difference. angus durrie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) beatle beats Date: 22 Jul 2001 08:03:04 +0000 The last Beatles song with beats? Well Tomorrow Never Knows (Revolver) is a bit D&B esque, with 60s, Indian style and some beats I wouldn't associate with 60s... Also, which Beatles song was the controversial 'play it backwards' song and what was the message? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QW5kculhcyBIYWdzdHL2bQ==?=" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk, a pop band, i think not Date: 22 Jul 2001 10:50:55
Angus Durrie wrote :
> Only recently has kraftwerk began to consciously create music
> to please the general public (the mix, tour de france and expo 2000).
> however this does not designate them as a pop band.
> Honestly do you really beleive krafterk could be a pop band?
> i can't beleive that you would beleive it.
 
Maybe its not the change of Kraftwerk that makes them "pop" today, but the ever changing definition of "pop"!
/Andréas

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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) beatle beats Date: 22 Jul 2001 16:27:48 +0200 hi kwf's ! Matthew Dean wrote : > Also, which Beatles song was > the controversial 'play it backwards' song > and what was the message? o-: *snway* !!! tsil wk a no daerht seltaeb siht fo derob m'i ... llew ?! tsil seltaeb a ot noitasrevnoc siht ekat esaelp u dluoc however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) beatle beats Date: 22 Jul 2001 16:44:37 +0200 Hello, > Also, which Beatles song was the controversial 'play it backwards' song > and what was the message? Revolution 9? (that's a masterpiece. KW can do what they want, but they can't beat this!) Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) beatle beats Date: 22 Jul 2001 17:00:37 +0200 the following words were said backwards by Oh Jay: > o-: *snway* !!! tsil wk a no daerht seltaeb siht fo derob m'i ... llew > ?! tsil seltaeb a ot noitasrevnoc siht ekat esaelp u dluoc I dunno if I'm the only one, but I hate it when you join a mailing list and the ONLY thing discussed is the very specific thing the list is regarding. We are all here because we like Kraftwerk, so I would hope we may have other interests, musical or otherwise, in common. And if we are all anal enough to be interested in the smallest details of Kraftwerk, then similarly, I'd imagine we are interested in other anal details of other bands. You know what I do when I'm not interested in a specific thread of discussion, Oh Jay? Delete the mail and get on with my life. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) beatles Date: 22 Jul 2001 16:07:45 +0100 Hi kwf's seltaeb eht etah gnikcuf I Rob (naf krewtfark a) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) OT ... or not OT ??? :-o ... that's the question !!! ;-) Date: 22 Jul 2001 17:59:01 +0200 hi kwf's ! ( & not beatles fans !!! ;-) craig wrote : > I dunno if I'm the only one, but I hate it when you join a mailing list and > the ONLY thing discussed is the very specific thing the list is regarding. well ... it nearly the same with me !!! *hehehe* ;-))) hey craig , don't look so surprised by now !!! *LOL* ;-))) > We are all here because we like Kraftwerk, > so I would hope we may have other interests, > musical or otherwise, in common. that much is for sure , mate !!! ;-) ... but i would surely label ANY threat ... err ... thread NOT concernin' kw in any kind OT ( off topiK ;-) !!! 'sly_grin* ;-) > And if we are all anal enough to be interested in the smallest details > of Kraftwerk, then similarly, I'd imagine we are interested in other anal > details of other bands. hmmm ...why are u talkin' about "we" here , dear craig ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) u can't read my , nor anybody else's mind !!! *pretty_convinced_look* can('t) u ??? *curious_but_also_very_amused_grin* ?-) > You know what I do when I'm not interested in a specific thread > of discussion, Oh Jay? Delete the mail and get on with my life. well ... if u'll go to see a movie in a cinema that u really like to enjoy & find other people around u , who only tellin' jokes to each other & crunchin' chips 'n' popcorn , what would u tell them , eh ??? *highly_curious_indeed* ?-) guess what ??? ;-) it's the same with a by now rather pointless beatles thread on a kw orientated ( & THAT's the word for it , mate !!! ;-) mailin' list IMHO_!!! so i would be indeed really thankful , if ANYBODY , who would like to discuss the beatles on this list , CLEARLY label their postings "OT : beatles thread" , so that i can immediately delete them & don't get bothered to open them ... only to find out that i'm NOT_AT_ALL interested in the "stuff" they are talkin' about !!! *very_sincere_look* however ... thanx a lot in advance for your kind consideration , kw fellows !!! *honest_smile* :-) p. s. : btw : it's NOT a question of "style" , it's indeed a question of CONTENTS , my friends !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) many greetinx from oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig Subject: Re: (kw) OT Date: 22 Jul 2001 18:24:30 +0200 the following words were said by Oh Jay: > ... but i would surely label ANY thread NOT concernin' kw > in any kind OT (off topiK)! Err, wasn't the actual thread I replied to called "Beatle Beats"? Hmm, call me psychic, but I'm guessing that thread may be about THE BEATLES. >> And if we are all anal enough to be interested in the smallest details >> of Kraftwerk, then similarly, I'd imagine we are interested in other anal >> details of other bands. > > hmmm ...why are u talkin' about "we" here, dear craig? > u can't read my, nor anybody else's mind! > can('t) u? Hold on there; in the last few days there have been discussions about motorway signs and concert mistakes. This, my friend, is ANAL detail. I fucking love it, but you simply have to admit that it is anal. > well ... if u'll go to see a movie in a cinema that u really like to enjoy & > find other people around u, who only tellin' jokes to each other & > crunchin' chips 'n' popcorn, what would u tell them, eh ? When one goes to the cinema one is going to be given a specific type of enjoyment, an email list is NOTHING like going to a movie. It is a DISCUSSION ie not a one way thing where we sit and watch what is predestined to be our experience. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) OT again !!! ;-) Date: 22 Jul 2001 19:23:44 +0200 hi kwf's ! my dear friend craig wrote again : > Err, wasn't the actual thread I replied to called "Beatle Beats"? so what !? this DOESN'T indicate that the postin' is ONLY about the beatles ( as it actually was !!! ) & not in ANY kind related to kw ( which earlier postings with similar subject names were indeed !!! ;-) , so IT_HAS_TO_BE_CLEARLY_LABLED_AS_"OT" ... or it really gets annoyin' IMHO_!!! PERIOD_!!! > Hmm, call me psychic, but I'm guessing that thread may be about THE BEATLES. see my explanation above !!! ;-) > Hold on there; in the last few days there have been discussions about > motorway signs and concert mistakes. This, my friend, is ANAL detail. > I fucking love it, but you simply have to admit that it is anal. ... & as a matter of fact ONLY_A_FEW_PEOPLE have contributed to this thread !!! ;-) anyway ... I_HAVEN'T , simply because i wasn't interested in this kind of "anal details" !!! *XLG* ;-))) > When one goes to the cinema one is going to be given a specific type of > enjoyment, an email list is NOTHING like going to a movie. why not ??? *jus'_curious* ;-) > It is a DISCUSSION ie not a one way thing where we sit and watch > what is predestined to be our experience. well ... i prefer to read the messages of interest first ( which is similar to watchin' a movie , btw ;-) & discuss about it later , if i feel like doin' it !!! *sly_grin* ;-) but I_REALLY_DON'T_WANT_TO_WASTE_MY_PRECIOUS_TIME_ANY_LONGER WITH_RATHER_POINTLESS_THREADS , only because some people are obviously to lazy or to stupid to CLEARLY_LABEL_THEIR_POSTINGS_!!! is it really so damn hard to change a subject line & mark it as "OT" or somethin' else , eh ??? NOT_IMHO_!!! ;-) i hope Y'_ALL understand my concern by now , fellows !? *still_hopeful_smile* :-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 22 Jul 2001 10:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Well, if you remember Wolfgang's little invention of waving his hands to pass through different lasers to cause a drum noise simply by waving his arms around like a police officer. It caused many problems, and they later ditched it. I'm sorry, if someone already mentioned this, I was away for 3 days, and I have tons of mail to read, but I came acorss this one and couldn't resist to post. >>From: "Fabien Stoffel" > >>Hello, >>I'm looking for Kraftwerk concert mistakes, because I'm working on a page >>with these among Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys ones. Are there others then >>Das Model from Munich 1981, Computerworld Düsseldorf 1991 and the beginning >>of radioactivity (morse code) at ZKM? >>Greets, >>Fabien == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) beatle beats Date: 22 Jul 2001 15:10:21 -0400 >>> Also, which Beatles song was the controversial 'play it backwards' song and what was the message? <<< I think it was "Revolution #9," the message being "Turn me off, dead man," when it says "Number Nine." Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) beatles Date: 22 Jul 2001 15:15:59 -0400 >>> seltaeb eht etah gnikcuf I <<< WOW! Sseug tahw? Os od I! Enoyna esle ohw seod, yeht maercs, "Egilercas!" I thguoht I saw eht ylno eno! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) totally OT , but somehow very interestin' indeed !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) Fw: Reply off list. ( from craig ;-) Date: 23 Jul 2001 09:07:35 +0200 hi kwf's ! my dear friend craig wrote to me "off list" , but i found it simply too interestin' to be not shared with y' all !!! *XLG* ;-))) from craig : > A movie is something that is recorded onto film > (not going too fast for you am I? > I can speak in words of one syllable if you'd prefer it) > thus is the same everytime. so what !? ;-) > Now then, an email thread is a discussion. > Nobody knows what's gonna be said next > except for the person who is writing the reply. ... & if u haven't seen the movie before , u also don't know what's gonna be said next !!! *LOL* ;-))) > Thus they are very very different. sorry , but NOT_IMHO_!!! *BWG* ;-))) > I'm right, you, as usual, are wrong. well ... jus' like i said : u're "mr.-i-know-it-all-better-than-y'-all-because-i'm-such-a-sophisticated-DICKH EAD"_!!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) > If this makes me a sophisticated dickhead, so be it. > Better than being an arguementative childish cunt. dear craig , i must state that your behavior on & also off list is one of the most childish , i've ever experienced & as a matter of fact , i'm NOT a female , so i simply can't be "an argumentative childish c***" !!! :-/ btw : if u're tryin' to insult people , u better try it "in real life" , because i suppose that ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY on this list is interested in your childish & indeed VERY_UNREASONABLE behavior anymore !!! *sighs_deeply* :-o > Goodbye. farewell , u waste of oxygen !!! *very_mean_grin* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Netiquette reminder Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:56:56 +0100 Oh Jay wrote: > my dear friend craig wrote to me "off list" , but i found it simply too > interestin' to be not shared with y' all !!! *XLG* ;-))) [... yet ...] > because i suppose that ABSOLUTELY_NOBODY on this list is interested in your > childish & indeed VERY_UNREASONABLE behavior anymore !!! *sighs_deeply* :-o I'm not interested in anybody's off-list flaming. Keep this squabbling off the list please. It's not what the list is here for, and it's not what most of us are here for. Here - ONCE AGAIN! - is a reminder of the introductory message for the "kraftwerk" electronic mailing list, which can - and SHOULD - be read at http://www.studio-nibble.com/lists/kraftwerk.info > The following kinds of messages are *never* welcome on the list -- posting > them may result in your being banned from posting or removed from the list. > > * Flames and/or attacks on other list members [...] > * Private email that you don't have the original sender's permission to > repost to the list Sadly, the list maintainer has gone to ground, and it's a long time since he wrote those words. But I see no reason for them to be ignored or revised (other than adding pictures, perhaps). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk, a pop band, i think not Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:57:30 +0100 Angus Durrie wrote: > Honestly do you really beleive krafterk could be a pop band? I for one tend to think of Kraftwerk as being, in some sense, a "pop" band because they have packaged/presented themselves in that tradition: from the presentation of the band's line-up to their description of their music as "robopop" or "technopop". Some of their music is less "pop" than others, but if you can have experimental rock, I think you can have experimental pop...? These labels are arbitrary unless they are defined (you used the word "electronica" in your other post - a marketing-lead label I find particularly useless!). I agree, to call Kraftwerk a pop(ular music) band is misleading, but only because it's not the whole story. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk pop songs Date: 23 Jul 2001 17:36:09 +0100 Hi kwf's IMHO, Kraftwerk have made a number of great "Pop songs", and they have actively attempted to achieve the status of a pop band in their albums. The "pop song count" of each album increases from Autobahn onwards. My list of Kraftwerk "pop songs" : Autobahn, Radioactivity, Antenna, Airwaves, Showroom Dummies, The Robots, The Model, Computer Love, Pocket Calculator, Home Computer, Tour de France, Techno Pop, The Telephone Call, Music Non Stop. Is Expo 2000 really a pop song? Possibly not. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Autobahn Date: 23 Jul 2001 17:52:14 +0100 Autobahn has made a MusikExpress top 100: http://www.plasticosydecibelios.com Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) new sounds to play with Date: 23 Jul 2001 19:31:02 +0000 In case you haven't already seen it, there's a new page up @ www.kraftwerk.com: "Boing Boom Tschak". Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) new sounds to play with Date: 23 Jul 2001 21:05:02 +0100 richard marston wrote: > > In case you haven't already seen it, there's a new page up @ > www.kraftwerk.com: "Boing Boom Tschak". Someone from friendchip.com recently alerted me to http://www.friendchip.com/waschmaschine/index.htm . These are Flash animations they came up with for the first design of kraftwerk.com. Worth a look for nostalgia's sake? K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gako.potter@argonet.co.uk ( Mr G J Potter) Subject: Re: (kw) beatle beats Date: 23 Jul 2001 22:13:55 +0100 On Sun 22 Jul 2001 (15:10:21), muziknut2@juno.com wrote: > >>>> Also, which Beatles song was the controversial 'play it >backwards' song and what was the message? <<< > >I think it was "Revolution #9," the message being "Turn me off, dead >man," when it says "Number Nine." Peace. > Actually, one was Rain, B-side of paperback writer, and it was the chorus backwards; and the other was possibly on the second side of Sgt Pepper, the "infinite" track at the end: sounds like "never to be any other way". Geoff Potter -- Microsoft, Intel, and Apple-free zone _ _ _ __ _ __ _| | _____ _ __ ___ | |_| |_ ___ _ _ / _` |/ _` | |/ / _ \ | '_ \ / _ \| __| __/ _ \ '_|gako.potter@argonet.co.uk |(_| | (_| | < (_) || |_) | (_) | |_| || __/ | RISC OS Domestic \__, |\__,_|_|\_\___(_) .__/ \___/ \__|\__\___|_| Centre of Technology |___/ |_| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arnaud de Bonald Subject: Re: (kw) Concert mistakes Date: 20 Jul 2001 23:24:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 On 2001-07-19 ferris@pt.lu said: >Hello, >I'm looking for Kraftwerk concert mistakes, because I'm working on >a page with these among Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys ones. Are good idea! I like very much when Robots have a crash :-) Don't forget the big drum percution problem on the "Concert Classics" album, at the end of Autobahn... Very memorable.... Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Test Drive ------070200200121042033NTI-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) Apokalyptika feat. Sandra (not really OT) Date: 01 Jan 2001 20:47:33 +0100 Some Minutes ago I saw on VIVA ZWEI the Video... damn I've forgotten the titel yet. It was something with "...Vol.2" by Apocalyptica feat. Sandra from "Guano Apes". And I noticed that she wears a quite striking outfit in this video: red shirt, black tie. Zufall? Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar Wess Subject: (kw) Apokalyptika feat. Sandra (not really OT) Date: 24 Jul 2001 21:03:51 +0200 My PC had switched to the wrong date. So once again (Sorry!) Some Minutes ago I saw on VIVA ZWEI the Video... damn I've forgotten the titel yet. It was something with "...Vol.2" by Apocalyptica feat. Sandra from "Guano Apes". And I noticed that she wears a quite striking outfit in this video: red shirt, black tie. Zufall? Gunnar -- http://www.stromschlaeger.de/ http://mp3.de/home/stromschlaeger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: (kw) work Date: 27 Jul 2001 09:22:24 +0100 Hi KW's Curious to know, has anyone camped outside the Kling Klang studio and lay in wait to see our boys clocking in and out! Shaun # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) Fw: OT: Brian Eno's 'Future Light-Lounge Proposal' Date: 27 Jul 2001 17:03:42 +0200 > Brian Eno's latest installation, 'Future Light-Lounge Proposal', will be on > from August 28 to November 8 at the Kunsthalle in Bonn, Germany. > > An opening party on Thursday, August 27, is to feature "A > High-Altitude-Food-Performance with Incidental Music by Slop Shop > [i.e. J.Peter Schwalm & co.] and Brian Eno." > > Eno is also scheduled to give a public talk at the Kunsthalle on Saturday, > August 29, entitles "Brian Eno: Conversation with Umbrella, Tape Recorder, > Record Player, Overhead-Projector and Michael Engelbrecht." > > To top it all off, the party and the public lecture will be broadcast on the > internet. RealPlayer (available from www.real.com) is required in order to > receive the streaming transmission. > > More details are available at www.kah-bonn.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Computer problem (follow-up) Date: 27 Jul 2001 18:38:50 -0400 After not using the computer for several days, and by assaulting the pain with Ibuprophen (sp?), I can say that I'm nearly 90-95% better. I just bought wrist pads for the machines, and a pair of exta tight bycicle gloves (to use like an ace bandage) to use at work. If anyone here uses the iMac-like eMachines, with their awfully designed mouse, have you ever had similar problems with the hands? And, everyone, thank you for your kind words. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) work Date: 27 Jul 2001 16:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Not yet :-P I did call the operator, and I said I was German, and they connected me to Deutsche Telekom's operators, and I asked for a number for Kling Klang studios, but all I got was a café in Berlin :( --- "Shaun Vaughan" > wrote: > >Hi KW's >Curious to know, has anyone camped outside the Kling Klang studio == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: (kw) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:50:26 -0400 Date: 28 Jul 2001 11:42:35 -0600 I have another song posted that is quite different... "Prisms Of Hope" = ... it's a mellow, ominous, melodic, mood song.... I think it's = definately one of my best songs yet!! :-) It has elements in it of "The = Model" with the tempo and some percussion sounds of "Expo 2000" with a = hint of "The Robots" & "Tecno Pop" in it...... quite interesting!! ;-) I = think of all my songs this would be the one to listen too from a unique = Kraftwerkian point of view!! *LOL* I've gotten some pretty good reviews = of this song so far........ as usual no samples were used in this..... = it's all my synths, drum machines and programming!!! ;-)=20 Hope you enjoy it!!!!! =20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) OT: Fw: Re-releases of John Foxx' first four albums on CD! Date: 28 Jul 2001 19:52:12 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1179E.CB8BE860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CD Release details: All four of John's 'Virgin-era' solo albums ("Metamatic", "The Garden", = "The Golden Section" and "In Mysterious Ways") are due to be released on = CD on the Edsel label, which is a division of the Demon Music Group. = Each disc will feature a selection of appropriate extra tracks together = with a twelve page booklet. Full details are as follows... * Metamatic Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 702 Release Date : 30th of July, 2001 01. Plaza 02. He's a Liquid 03. Underpass 04. Metal Beat 05. No-One Driving 06. A New Kind of Man 07. Blurred Girl 08. 030 09. Tidal Wave 10. Touch and Go 11. Film One 12. Glimmer 13. Mr No 14. This City 15. 20th Century 16. Burning Car 17. Miles Away ** The Garden Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 703 Release Date : 30th of July, 2001 01. Europe After the Rain 02. Systems of Romance 03. When I Was a Man and You Were a Woman 04. Dancing Like a Gun 05. Pater Noster 06. Night Suit 07. You Were There 08. Fusion / Fission 09. Walk Away 10. The Garden 11. A Long Time 12. This Jungle 13. Swimmer I 14. Swimmer II 15. Young Man *** The Golden Section Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 704 Release Date : 28th of August, 2001 01. My Wild Love 02. Someone 03. Your Dress 04. Running Across Thin Ice with Tigers 05. Sitting at the Edge of the World 06. Endlessly 07. Ghosts on Water 08. Like a Miracle 09. The Hidden Man 10. Twilight's Last Gleaming 11. Dance with Me 12. The Lifting Sky 13. Annexe 14. Wings and a Wind 15. A Kind of Wave 16. A Woman on the Stairway **** In Mysterious Ways Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 705 Release Date : 28th of August, 2001 01. Stars on Fire 02. Lose All Sense of Time 03. What Kind of Girl 04. Shine On 05. Enter the Angel 06. In Mysterious Ways 07. This Side of Paradise 08. Stepping Softly 09. Morning Glory 10. Enter the Angel II 11. Lumen De Lumine 12. Stairway 13. City of light ***** All the very best, Rob c/o Metamatic - the official John Foxx website PO Box 21, Ledbury, Herefordshire HR8 2ZB United Kingdom Email: robinharris@metamatic.com Web: http://www.metamatic.com ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1179E.CB8BE860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CD Release details:

All four of John's 'Virgin-era' solo = albums=20 ("Metamatic", "The Garden", "The Golden Section" and "In Mysterious = Ways") are=20 due to be released on CD on the Edsel label, which is a division of the = Demon=20 Music Group. Each disc will feature a selection of appropriate extra = tracks=20 together with a twelve page booklet. Full details are as=20 follows...

*
Metamatic
Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD = 702
Release=20 Date : 30th of July, 2001

01. Plaza
02. He's a Liquid
03.=20 Underpass
04. Metal Beat
05. No-One Driving
06. A New Kind of=20 Man
07. Blurred Girl
08. 030
09. Tidal Wave
10. Touch and=20 Go

11. Film One
12. Glimmer
13. Mr No
14. This = City
15. 20th=20 Century
16. Burning Car
17. Miles Away

**
The=20 Garden
Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 703
Release Date : 30th of = July,=20 2001

01. Europe After the Rain
02. Systems of Romance
03. = When I=20 Was a Man and You Were a Woman
04. Dancing Like a Gun
05. Pater=20 Noster
06. Night Suit
07. You Were There
08. Fusion / = Fission
09.=20 Walk Away
10. The Garden

11. A Long Time
12. This = Jungle
13.=20 Swimmer I
14. Swimmer II
15. Young Man

***
The Golden=20 Section
Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 704
Release Date : 28th of = August,=20 2001

01. My Wild Love
02. Someone
03. Your Dress
04. = Running=20 Across Thin Ice with Tigers
05. Sitting at the Edge of the = World
06.=20 Endlessly
07. Ghosts on Water
08. Like a Miracle
09. The Hidden = Man
10. Twilight's Last Gleaming

11. Dance with Me
12. The = Lifting=20 Sky
13. Annexe
14. Wings and a Wind
15. A Kind of Wave
16. A = Woman=20 on the Stairway

****
In Mysterious Ways
Catalogue Number : = Edsel=20 EDCD 705
Release Date : 28th of August, 2001

01. Stars on = Fire
02.=20 Lose All Sense of Time
03. What Kind of Girl
04. Shine On
05. = Enter the=20 Angel
06. In Mysterious Ways
07. This Side of Paradise
08. = Stepping=20 Softly
09. Morning Glory
10. Enter the Angel II

11. Lumen = De=20 Lumine
12. Stairway
13. City of light

*****

All the very=20 best,

Rob
----------------------------------------
c/o = Metamatic -=20 the official John Foxx website
PO Box 21, Ledbury, Herefordshire HR8 = 2ZB=20 United Kingdom
Email: robinharris@metamatic.com
Web: http://www.metamatic.com
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1179E.CB8BE860-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Subject: (kw) Popcorn, kraftwerk, wha? Date: 28 Jul 2001 12:58:55 -0600 Okay, so as i was crawling along on the Gnutella network when i came across a chap with a file entitled Kraftwerkpopcorn.mp3 this cought my interests as the original popcorn (from the 70's) is quite the ejoyable little 'ditty', and of course the kraftwerk tag added an extra bit of interest. i double clicked tghe file and moments later i was listening to it, but, could it really be a re-mix or re-make by kraftwerk, it just seems so un kraftwerkian, if anybody could possibley help me with this, that'd be awesome _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Popcorn, kraftwerk, wha? Date: 28 Jul 2001 15:16:48 -0400 >Okay, so as i was crawling along on the Gnutella network when i=20 >came across=20 >a chap with a file entitled Kraftwerkpopcorn.mp3 this cought my=20 >interests as=20 >the original popcorn (from the 70's) is quite the ejoyable=20 >little 'ditty',=20 >and of course the kraftwerk tag added an extra bit of interest. i = double=20 >clicked tghe file and moments later i was listening to it, but, could = it=20 >really be a re-mix or re-make by kraftwerk, it just seems so un=20 >kraftwerkian, if anybody could possibley help me with this, that'd be=20 >awesome It is probably Jarres (hope I spelled that right!) version of it. I = really like that song too..... it's an oldy but goody! ;-) I serious = don't think Kraftwerk redid that tune .. since when has Kraftwerk done = cover tunes and remixes of other peoples music?!?!?!=20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) operator, where is KlingKlang? Date: 29 Jul 2001 09:58:19 +0000 Well I called the operator, asked for Kling Klang in Duesseldorf, but no entry. I said it was 16 Mintropstrasse as I once learned this from the Net, but got Elektro Mueller. So this is how KW still have income, they rent it out to electrical shops :) Matt any new stuff yet or is this sentence pointless? Played Kraftwerk 1 and Radioactivity in the BP yesterday - with Vom Himmel Hoch some rich old bitch asked 'what's that noise' and gave me a snooty 'ha!' when I said it was a CD, and a 'young adult' (ie idiot) said Radioactivity was crap. If he weren't a customer and I a server then I'd have killed him for blasphemising against the holy song. Well come on, isn't it just divine? Yet strangely enough, no complaints at the migraine- inducing Airwaves. Oh what a weird country this is... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Hello! Date: 29 Jul 2001 17:46:05 +0200 Hello all! I am a new member to this list. I've been a fan since the early 80s, but never really been a big fan - until now, that is :) I'm a 29-year old guy from Stockholm in Sweden, and, well, I work in the computer industry. So now you know! I'm most interested in trading live and bootleg materials, preferably in MP3 or any other digital format.. If you have anything and if you're interested - please mail me!! Boing, grovsnus.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Trading Date: 29 Jul 2001 18:04:54 +0100 Hi kwf's I have a couple of bootleg style Cd's that I would be happy to trade if you haven't got them. They are: Tribal Gathering 1997 (48 minutes of live tracks plus 4 remixes) Concert Classics (48 minutes of live music from 1975) E-mail me privately if you have any offers of similar dodgy material. Both these items are in top mint condition. I can only trade with people in the UK. Apologies in advance if this form of advertising is unwanted on this list. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Garcia" Subject: (kw) i was a robot Date: 29 Jul 2001 23:45:28 +0200 It's strange all this talking about the names of ex-kwerkers having been removed from CD releases, etc. Does anyone have such a CD? I have never seen one of those. While in TdF, the credits end listing R+F, credit remains for the authors of the song. As for the Autobahn CD, German pressing, no names of any member appear anywhere, except credits for the authors of each track. The German Mensch-Maschine keeps the original album credits, at least in the version I have. Is this a false myth or does anyone have proof of this? Changing the subject, I recommend the album "Electro Pop" from Little Computer People, the new project from Anthony Rother. Collectors Corner Edicion Espanola: http://www.navegalia.com/personal/elektrik/kraftwerk/ @-----------------------------------------------------@ Nuclear Si http://www.nuclearsi.com webmaster@nuclearsi.com Pagina no Oficial del Aviador Dro/Unofficial Aviador Dro Home Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Latthew Marge" Subject: (kw) work Date: 29 Jul 2001 22:37:56 +0000 >A couple of years ago, while living in germany, a friend and I stopped off >in Duesseldorf on the way to Amsterdam.. We sat outside that yellow >building >until 3am, singing our favourites in a drunken stupor, hoping we'd catch >one >of them popping out, or in. We saw the comfortable chillout room >downstairs, >and a couple of Golfs sitting outside. Maybe we were so distracted with >entertaining ourselves that we missed something, but one of the Golfs had >departed at some point, and it might not even have been them! > >So the whole evening was, essentially, a waste. But the pizzas over the >road >are pretty good ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) OT: Fw: Re-releases of John Foxx' first four albums on CD! Date: 30 Jul 2001 09:08:00 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C118D7.21EB7980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Oh Jay Strange, the tracklisting on my copy of Metamatic which was released on CD in 1993 contains the extra tracks, Film One, 20th Century and Miles Away plus tracks Swimmer 1, A Long Time and Young Love. These latter 3 have been omitted for the re-release but been replaced with 4 other tracks, which means I'm going to have to buy another copy to get them. Don't u hate it when they do that? Shaun Metamatic Catalogue Number : Edsel EDCD 702 Release Date : 30th of July, 2001 01. Plaza 02. He's a Liquid 03. Underpass 04. Metal Beat 05. No-One Driving 06. A New Kind of Man 07. Blurred Girl 08. 030 09. Tidal Wave 10. Touch and Go 11. Film One x 12. Glimmer 13. Mr No 14. This City 15. 20th Century x 16. Burning Car 17. 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Hi Oh Jay
Strange, the tracklisting on my copy of = Metamatic which=20 was released on CD in 1993 contains the extra tracks, Film One, 20th = Century and=20 Miles Away plus tracks Swimmer 1, A Long Time and Young Love. These = latter 3=20 have been omitted for the re-release but been replaced with 4 other = tracks,=20 which means I'm going to have to buy another copy to get them. Don't u = hate it=20 when they do that?
 
Shaun
 Metamatic
Catalogue Number :=20 Edsel EDCD 702
Release Date : 30th of July, 2001

01. = Plaza
02. He's=20 a Liquid
03. Underpass
04. Metal Beat
05. No-One Driving
06. = A New=20 Kind of Man
07. Blurred Girl
08. 030
09. Tidal Wave
10. = Touch and=20 Go

11. Film One        =20 x 
12. Glimmer         =20  
13. Mr No          &nbs= p; =20  
14. This City        =20  
15. 20th Century   x 
16. = Burning=20 Car
17. Miles Away     x
 
Swimmer=20 1
A = Long=20 Time
Young=20 Love
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C118D7.21EB7980-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) i was a robot Date: 30 Jul 2001 14:16:52 +0000 > It's strange all this talking about the names of ex-kwerkers having been > removed from CD releases, etc. > Does anyone have such a CD? I have never seen one of those. > While in TdF, the credits end listing R+F, credit remains for the > authors of the song. > As for the Autobahn CD, German pressing, no names of any member > appear anywhere, except credits for the authors of each track. > The German Mensch-Maschine keeps the original album credits, at > least in the version I have. > Is this a false myth or does anyone have proof of this? False myth. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) new sounds to play with Date: 31 Jul 2001 13:01:05 +0100 Andr=E9as Hagstr=F6m wrote: >> Someone from friendchip.com recently alerted me to >> http://www.friendchip.com/waschmaschine/index.htm . These are Flash >> animations they came up with for the first design of kraftwerk.com. >=20 > When was this site up? It wasn't: they were just demos. And I have now been informed that the fina= l site was designed by Peabodies (who have a very minimal site at http://www.peabodies.com/ - no Kraftwerk material, but they are mentioned a= s being clients). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arnaud de Bonald Subject: Re: (kw) OT: Fw: Re-releases of John Foxx' first four albums on CD! Date: 22 Jul 2001 12:56:47 -0600 The 1993 CD release of Metamatic (from Virgin) was sounding very poor, so you won't loose your money to buy it again if you like Foxx. Well , this is off topic on the KW list, but I think... these John Foxx rereleases are more than Welcome because they are / will be well made. Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: FW: (kw) OT: Fw: Re-releases of John Foxx' first four albums on CD! Date: 31 Jul 2001 16:00:32 +0100 Well, my copy sounds OK, but are you saying that the discs have been re-mastered? From what I've heard from various sources, that's not always a good thing. Shaun The 1993 CD release of Metamatic (from Virgin) was sounding very poor, so you won't loose your money to buy it again if you like Foxx. Well , this is off topic on the KW list, but I think... these John Foxx rereleases are more than Welcome because they are / will be well made. Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) New facts... Date: 31 Jul 2001 21:44:56 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C11A0A.0C5CAD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My favourite source for new releases by artists I thought I knew well - WinMX/Napster - have done it again! Today I learned that Kraftwerk have made the song "Der Mussolini". That was weird, I thought. Here I've been walking the Earth for the past 20 years or so in the belief that this song was made by D.A.F. Well, I guess they're similar. They both sing in German. What's next? Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" perhaps? It's definitely similar to Kraftwerk. ;) --[grovsnus.net]-- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C11A0A.0C5CAD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

My favourite source for = new releases by artists I thought I knew well – WinMX/Napster – have done it again!

Today I learned that Kraftwerk have made the song “Der = Mussolini”. That was weird, I thought. Here I’ve been

walking= the Earth for the past 20 years or so in the belief that this song was made by = D.A.F.

 

Well, I guess they’re similar. They both sing = in German…

 

What’s next? Whitney Houston’s “I = Will Always Love You” perhaps? It’s definitely similar to Kraftwerk… ;)

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C11A0A.0C5CAD80-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) New facts... Date: 31 Jul 2001 22:14:43 +0200 --[grovsnus.net]-- wrote : > What's next? Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" perhaps? > It's definitely similar to Kraftwerk. ;) well ... obviously u haven't heard of the "girls on top" mix of kw meets whitney houston in "i wanna dance with numbers" !!! *hehehe* ;-))) fyi : this isn't a joke , mate !!! *serious_look* ... but hey , kw has done "das boot" , "der mussolini" , "da da da" , etc. !!! *ROTFLOL* ;-))) so i wouldn't be too surprised , if they were also credited for a new "techno-pop" version of ac/dc's "hell's bells" ... sooner or later !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markus.berzborn@t-online.de (Markus Berzborn) Subject: Re: (kw) New facts... Date: 31 Jul 2001 22:32:49 +0200 > My favourite source for new releases by artists I thought I knew well - > WinMX/Napster - have done it again! > Today I learned that Kraftwerk have made the song "Der Mussolini". That > was weird, I thought. Here I've been > walking the Earth for the past 20 years or so in the belief that this > song was made by D.A.F. Funny, but at least they have two things in common: they both worked with Conny Plank and they both bought large parts of their equipment at Matten & Wiechers aka Synthesizerstudio Bonn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ConnectFree" Subject: RE: (kw) New facts... Date: 31 Jul 2001 22:26:07 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C11A0F.CAEC4D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by radius.connectfree.net id XAA11647 Ha, but at least Der Mussolini is a good song - I like the barking dog - woof woof -----Original Message----- From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of kraftwerk@grovsnus.net Sent: 31 July 2001 20:45 To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Subject: (kw) New facts... My favourite source for new releases by artists I thought I knew well =96 WinMX/Napster =96 have done it again! Today I learned that Kraftwerk have made the song =93Der Mussolini=94. = That was weird, I thought. Here I=92ve been walking the Earth for the past 20 years or so in the belief that this s= ong was made by D.A.F. Well, I guess they=92re similar. They both sing in German=85 What=92s next? Whitney Houston=92s =93I Will Always Love You=94 perhaps= ? It=92s definitely similar to Kraftwerk=85 ;) --[grovsnus.net]-- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C11A0F.CAEC4D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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My favourite source for new releases by artists I = thought I=20 knew well – WinMX/Napster – = have done it=20 again!

Today I learned that = Kraftwerk have made the song “Der Mussolini”. That was weird, I thought. = Here I’ve=20 been

walking the Earth=20 for the past 20 years or so in the belief that this song was made by=20 D.A.F.

 

Well, I guess = they’re similar.=20 They both sing in German…

 

What’s next? = Whitney Houston’s “I=20 Will Always Love You” perhaps? It’s definitely similar to = Kraftwerk… ;)

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C11A0F.CAEC4D00-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angus Durrie" Date: 31 Jul 2001 16:12:33 -0600 Word, Okay so i was on my favorite FTP site (ftp.dante.eti.br) when i discovered Elektric music, Karl Bartos' solo work, WOW, esperanto is the kewlest album ever. And Wolfgangs Yamo is good too No here's were things get interesting, i want everyone to go to amazon.com search Kraftwerk in popular music and go to the last page, there you will find the fabled "Outburn" i e-mailed some former kraftwerk affiliates and they say they don't know anything about, amazon isn't saying anything about it either, i think that it's the new album, what do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) Re:vision ;-) Date: 01 Aug 2001 00:46:01 +0200 Angus Durrie wrote : > here's were things get interesting, i want everyone to go to > amazon.com search Kraftwerk in popular music and go to the last page, > there you will find the fabled "Outburn" i e-mailed some former kraftwerk > affiliates and they say they don't know anything about, amazon isn't saying > anything about it either, i think that it's the new album, what do you think? well ... it's "the same ol' ( & by now also VERY_BORIN'_!!! *yawns* :-o ) story" with "outburn" ( btw : what a stupid title that is , eh ??? :-/ ) as with "das boot" , "der mussolini" , etc. : some FAQin' idiots are still way too stupid to label their "produKts" KorreKtly !!! *grim* :-/ fact is : kw haven't done an album nor a single called "outburn" !!! fyi : it's the mislabeled japanese edition ( or whatever ;-) of "autobahn" !!! :-o btw : the new album is tentatively called "global network" & will be released on the 17th of sept. this year !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) a single - also tentatively ;-) - called "phonetic visions" is due to release a few weeks earlier ( end of aug. / begin of sept. ) !!! *XLG* ;-))) now playin' : "dream on" ( kw's endless hibernation remix ;-) by depeche mode ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Outburned by the Outburn subject Date: 31 Jul 2001 19:35:28 -0700 (PDT) AGHHH!!!!! I feel like making rude comments, but I'll hold back. I think by now everyone should know that Outburn is the japanese Autobahn... DONT YOU LOOK AT THE KRAFTWERK INTERNATIONAL DISCOGRAPHY!? Thats where I find all the info of these lesser-known albums. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Outburned by the Outburn subject Date: 31 Jul 2001 23:58:41 -0400 >>AGHHH!!!!! I feel like making rude comments, but I'll hold=20 >>back. I think by now everyone should know that Outburn is the=20 >>japanese Autobahn... DONT YOU LOOK AT THE KRAFTWERK=20 >>INTERNATIONAL DISCOGRAPHY!? Thats where I find all the info of=20 >>these lesser-known albums. *ROTFLOL* Easy there Omega!! ;-) Once you've been on this list for a = while you will see some questions (re)peated many times!!! You should = try technical equipment support groups where the same questions get = asked right after they have been answered a few times before!!! *LOL* = *most_amusing_grin_on_my_face* I do tech support for a living so I guess = I'm used to it by now!! ;-) A Kwk greetinx to all...... and even the much appreciated Oh Jay!!! ;-)=20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/