From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #45 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 045 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:08:58 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... jbv wrote: > > >Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 > from your list.< **************** wrote: > > If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands you may not like. I've no interest in Planet P, however, if someone is generous enough to set-up a new list I'm not going to rubbish his efforts. > > Please retract your statement jbv and learn to think before you write. > My dear friend, I really don't know why I should retract my statement, and furthermore how I could prevent anyone from starting a new list... If you were a little bit less driven by your chromosomes when you send messages, you would notice that I'm one of those who always encourage to "discuss the broader picture"... My only problem with this generous offer to start a new list, is that before it exists, it already looks like a farce, in the sense that one can already know what kind of narrow-minded messages about old brit synth-pop bands will clutter it... BUT I can live with it, as long as the range of bands / artists discussed in that forthcoming list also includes some other (and less obvious) stuff... Although the lack of response to one of my recent postings about bhangra music scares me a bit... And for the few mongoloids who still didn't get it, my previous "joke" was so caricatured that I hoped it was a clear and sincere call for REAL open-minded discussions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:10:10 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses > JBV wrote:- > > >ARRRGH !!!! Is she (Annie Lennox) still around ? Does anyone know ? > What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ?< > **************** wrote: > > If the average IQ in France is positive she's still there. You're > better off with her - at least you'll have 1 beautiful women in your > country. > (...) > > You were flamed for posting nonsense which you clearly couldn't > substantiate. Nobody objects to an opinion. Your problem is you try to > pass off your opinions as concrete facts. > > IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've > ever read on this list. My dear boy, Obviously, there are a few things you need to learn : 1) IQ can't be negative : it's measured on a Gauss scale from 0 to 200. 2) From your systematic and strong anti-french attitude you shouldn't always assume that everyone else is also driven by similar anti-english feelings. 3) An attack or a joke towards an artist is not always pointing at his/her national origin or physical apparance. The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just to make money by spoiling the tastes of teenagers from Third World countries... 4) If I were as mean as some people think I am, I could reply something like : "if it's the only beautiful woman in France, it's also someone who escaped from YOUR country. And BTW, I read recently that the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There must be some reasons behind it..." But of course, as I'm not THAT mean, I won't say it... 5) As for the CW debate, I don't remember that YOUR opinions were so much backed by anything else than "it is obvious that..." or "this is shit". - ------------- As for the CW debate again, I don't want to re-open the wound, but I remember that one of the topics was that CW had been released after a whole bunch of similar synth-pop stuff (especially including several french bands) and that the music had nothing innovative in it. The point I want to make is that I have the singles & albums of most of those bands (except for the Comateens which I never really liked), and I could sample and post excerpts just to enlighten the discussion (although I can't imagine how many rights I'll be violating by doing that !)... Some people took it at ground level and criticized a sudden burst of national pride. I want to stress out that I'm only discussing MUSIC. As for additional facts to back up this discussion, I want to add that those french bands were active roughly between 78 and 81, that some of them even got national radio hits (Jacno), and that most of them used to get quite a lot of exposure in local hip media. And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. So, if (and ONLY IF) other list members are interested, I can manage to do something. If not, I can live without it. Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 07:54:33 -0500 From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - New Kraftwerk MIDI file! "Yawn" !! (Oh dear, Pardon me...) ...Anyway, I've been up all night working on this. But here it is. The MIDI version of Kraftwerk's mystery song #2 from the ZKM concert. Its programmed specifically for the AWE32/64 soundcard. Its also written for GS mode. If you don't have an AWE32/64 card, the file will still play but you'll miss out on all the heavy filter effects reproduced from the original song. If my schedule stays open, 'Home Computer' should be ready in a few days. This time I'll try and remember to get sleep ;-) Well, gotta go. Must rest a bit before going to work. Regards, - -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:12:20 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone complete Tom W wrote: "this is a skill i must learn: how does one prevent discussion of bands one doesnt like? and an exclusive no less=2E=2E=2E"=2E I think I have the solution to all this crap, why don't we all start one mailinglist each - and discuss our own favorit bands with ourself=2E Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:48:00 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: Sv: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone complete johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > I think I have the solution to all this crap, why don't we all start one > mailinglist each - and discuss our own favorit bands with ourself. > > Johan > No, Sir. I rather think that we'll remain into that crap as long as we'll consider that discussing about a band or artist is ONLY a matter of personal tastes, and as long as we'll deal with such a wonderful tool as a real-time mailing list on the net like with a cheap xeroxed fanzine. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:38:16 +0100 From: Luca Boccianti Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses [Annie Lennox and] > the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes > a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There > must be some reasons behind it..." > well, they say it's taxes... where is JM Jarre living now? > remember that one of the topics was that CW had been released after a > whole bunch of similar synth-pop stuff (especially including several > french bands) and that the music had nothing innovative in it. > well, jbv, I liked a lot CW and for me it was revolutionary. maybe it was posted before, but could you list me again some "predecessors" to CW? this way I'll have a list of good music to listen to that I did not know it was there... > > And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot > in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. > :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spell it...) :-))) > So, if (and ONLY IF) other list members are interested, I can manage to > do something. If not, I can live without it. ok, go for it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 20:40:24 +0100 From: Daniel Subject: (kw) mini calculateur lyrics please give me the complete lyrics to Mini Calculateur, everywhere I find them there are only a few lines.. also a word-by-word (kinda) translation of the Dentaku lyrics would be neat.. /Daniel "je suis l'operateur du mini calculateur" (=E5h. nej, minir=E4knare fick vi visst inte anv=E4nda l=E4ngre..) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:59:34 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Luca Boccianti wrote: > = > [Annie Lennox and] > = > > the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes > > a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There= > > must be some reasons behind it..." > > > = > well, they say it's taxes... where is JM Jarre living now? Taxes exactly. And as for JMJ, AFAIK, he's still living in his castle near Paris... (or may be did he move in with the Spice Girls...) > = > > And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot= > > in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. > > > = > :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spe= ll it...) > :-))) NO NO NO NO ! 10 zillions times "NO !" That's exactly the point I want to make FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ! (BTW, around here we spell it "chauvinisme". How about english ?) It just happens like that. And for CW only. And furthermore, please remember that in my very first postings on that topic, along with french bands, I also mentioned YMO and the Comateens who were not exactly french ! It just happens that I live in France, was exposed to those bands, still have their records (which are quite hard-to-find these days because they've never been promoted abroad nor reissued by those fucking french record companies), also have reviews about CW in french mags from 81 (I think Klaus put them on his site) where it's clearly said that there's nothing new under the D=FCsseldorf sun. Listen : in 76 / 77 I remember hearing / reading interviews of Ralf spending lots of energy saying that the song RA should not be confused with that other song "Pop Corn" which had a lot of success shortly before, his main statement being "Pop Corn was only a one-shot deal, while there is a concept behind RA and KW". Obviously, it sounded like a large part of the audience didn't make any difference between both works, and because of those "new synthesizer sounds" thought that both tunes had been composed / performed by the same band. That's all. Just a fact. Nothing more. In 78, it looks like some people, after hearing an album by Georgio Moroder released shortly before MM, thought it was KW latest album. And this came straight from Ralf's mouth in an interview from 78 that I posted on this list a while back. Again, that's all. Just a fact. Nothing more. For instance, if the above quote came from some german people, would you call it "chauvinistic" ? So please people, don't jump to the easy conclusion that I said that KW ran out of inspiration and copied french bands on CW. = Because I NEVER meant that. The main points I've always tried to make are : = 1- 78 / 81 was a time of thrilling and busy musical creation, especially in the pop-synth field 2- lots of bands were working on light, poppy and sweet synth stuff = that included funky elements 3- it happens that some of them were french and quite interesting and that I still have their records 4- and when KW released CW, it just sounded like a lot of stuff = that had been around for some time already, in other words : just another pop-synth album talking about computers. And when at the same time, some list members implied that there wasn't any other synth pop of that kind before CW, and that CW was a sort of breakthrough in synth pop sound, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that, simply because it isn't true. For instance, would you agree if in 15 years from now, someone would say that in 97, there was no other techno stuff besides Prodigy and the Chemical B. ? Some of you said that I meant that CW was not innovative only, and that it could have been influencial anyway. Frankly, I wonder how something that is not innovative can be = influencial, unless there are strong marketing techniques behind it that gives it more exposure than the rest. Of course, at the same time, there was the CW tour, with the terrific imagery of the KK studio live, and THAT was really innovative... And IMHO, KW has always been very good at repackaging other people's work, or at least the "sound of the moment" (if I can call it that way), and this fantastic imagery remains inside people's minds and they finally happen to think that the music itself was revolutionnary. And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise examples of other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) who clearly state that CW has been a major influence on their work. Otherwise, I'll keep thinking it's just another clich=E9 that has been around for a while... May I remind you that I for one have already quoted two contemporary = musicians (Aphex Twin and Prodigy) who denied any influence of CW (for AT) and trashed KW (Prodigy)... Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:31:25 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) flame off >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) can we discuss this in relation to Kraftwerk's existence or independently? Well, they all seem to be experts in creating musical textures and soundscapes, not necessarily melodically strong but interesting to listen to. A good example of this - and that harks back to some of the longer Kraftwerk tracks (such as the original LP mix of "autobahn") - is material such as "Out There Somewhere" from orbital's "Insides" or some of the material on Underworld's "Dark And Long" (album or CD single..) opinions? Mark - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:14:00 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. Mark Reed wrote: > > >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) > I remember reading somewhere (on the AH list I think) that the rumor saying that AT was building his own gear was actually a fake, the truth being that he just re-packages existing gear (for instance Roland etc.) Does anyone have more info on that ? As for Orbital, I really liked their last (?) album (the one featuring The Box) although I think their sound on that album owns A LOT to KW (especially from the 3rd and 4th album). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:43:25 -0600 From: angela Subject: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Hello everyone. I felt compelled to write this message in response to all the negativity and dare i say it, flaming, going on. I see no reason why we can't all discuss different musical groups and other topics, intelligently and rationally, without getting pissy. For example, I like Devo, but I realize there will be people on this list who won't like them, so if I post "I like Devo", I expect someone to post " well Devo sucks, blah blah.." I don't get worked up about it. I do think it would be silly of someone to post "KW sucks, blah blah..", which almost happened during that whole TD vs KW episode. But this is a Kraftwerk list, meaning that everyone on this list is united by the love of Kraftwerk's music. It is ok to make criticisms about certain albums, or whatever. Just don't get negative about. The fact that everyone has different musical tastes is what makes us all individuals. There I've done my ranting. Good day to all. Yours truly, Heather D. PS. I'm not a hippy(ha-ha, just kidding) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:02:16 -0500 From: Ian Calder Subject: (kw) 'Sellafield 2' > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:30:49 +0100 > From: "Fer" > Subject: RE: (kw) More questions > > >Sellafield 2 =3D not on any album - played as = > an intro to Radioactivity live > > > Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some = > anti-nuclear compilation?? Kraftwerk made a short video as part of Greenpeace's = 'REACT' campaign against the proposed 'Sellafield 2' = (THORPE) plant in 1993 - it featured the bands robots = (including the one of Fernando Abrantes, so it's probably = no more than leftovers of 1991s 'The Robots' video), = while the facts and figures regarding the proposed = nuclear installation are displayed in bold type, = scrolling over the screen. The music is mainly the = rather sinister vocoded robotic tones reading out = the same facts and figures, with some abstract = noises in the background. So, as such it has not = been 'released' on a generally available anti-nuclear = compilation. It was distributed to the media, MTV showed = it on one of their news programmes. Live renditions of 'The Robots' and 'Radioactivity' from 1992s = 'Stop Sellafield' concert itself were released on video as part = of the 'Stop Sellafield' concert video. = That Kraftwerk chose to include 'Sellafield 2' in their 1997 = shows is a bit behind times though, even if it did blend with = 'Radioactivity' itself! = Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:28:33 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) aphex twin - kw On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) Some of them are great. I like AT, Orb and Orbital, Banco de Gaia, Autechre and many others. For some reason I don't like FSOL much. On rare occasions I might even go so far as to say some of these modern artists are almost as good as KW. :) > and how do you feel about afrika bambaata's planet rock, which pushed, IMHO > KW's music into a very new context? I regard Planet Rock as the spark that ignited the whole techno, rap, dance and house thing. It was the critical piece of exposure KW music needed to catch the young ears of what are now our current musicians. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 01:02:00 -0500 From: sumac Subject: (kw) WWW KW Sampling List? Does anyone out there know of any WWW sites that have extensive lists of songs that use KW samples? I seem to recall someone on the list not too long ago trying to compile such a list... reply via private message (as to leave more digest room for the current flamewar :) Dave Egan sumac@tiac.net "echo's alot of fun if you know how to use it use it..." -Yom Tucker <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 02:46:31 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses >Luca Boccianti wrote: aaaaagh! a moment of distraction and here my anonymate is gone! :-) >And as for JMJ, AFAIK, he's still living in his castle near Paris... >(or may be did he move in with the Spice Girls...) no, SG went to him, but he plastered them and used them as chalk garden statues. >> :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spell it...) >NO NO NO NO ! 10 zillions times "NO !" >That's exactly the point I want to make FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ! c'moooon jbv, I was joking... I am latin as you, wake up... :-) >french bands, I also mentioned YMO and the Comateens who were not ... >Listen : in 76 / 77 I remember hearing / reading interviews of Ralf >spending lots of energy saying that the song RA should not be confused >with that other song "Pop Corn" which had a lot of success shortly ok, they may have used the same instruments but... >before, his main statement being "Pop Corn was only a one-shot deal, >while there is a concept behind RA and KW". Obviously, it sounded like ...RH was perfectly right: maybe CW is not so daringly innovative, but the landscapes it depict is something a lot deeper and distant from the immediate aims of "commercial" music like Pop Corn or divertissement like YMO or the metheor that was the electro new wave. this is not to reduce these styles that, expecially for new wave, I love a lot. sorry to have to nationalize it, but the thing I soon come to think are the german cosmisches kurieren. I mean, is a different breathe. >In 78, it looks like some people, after hearing an album by Georgio >Moroder released shortly before MM, thought it was KW latest album. >And this came straight from Ralf's mouth in an interview from 78 that ok, but were they wrong... listen, some days ago I let listen to a very clever university teacher a piece from your XIII century compatriote Guillaume de Machaut's Notre Dame Mass, and she told me "ah, nice, what's that, XVII century?" I mean, there were JB Lully in the XVII century! and that was a clever woman! so as you see sometimes people, and most of all the journalist that propagate the words, can be very superficial. >So please people, don't jump to the easy conclusion that I said that >KW ran out of inspiration and copied french bands on CW. >Because I NEVER meant that. out of jokes, you were perfectly clear. >4- and when KW released CW, it just sounded like a lot of stuff >that had been around for some time already, in other words : just >another pop-synth album talking about computers. no, sorry, but I was (am) a fan of the synth-pop music of the time and CW really impressed me for its diversity, a timeless ageless diversity. it was the perfect next point on the curve interpolated by R&F, Autobahn, RA, MM. anyway, if it can be of interest, when I went to buy CW I also bought the last Adam & the Ants album (Prince charming?). >any other synth pop of that kind before CW, and that CW was a sort of >breakthrough in synth pop sound, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that, ok, I see your point. to use an abused metaphore, I'll say that the popness of CW is just one face of a prism. it may not be the brightest one, but it stand over the most beautiful bidimensional things. >And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise examples of >other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) who clearly state that >CW has been a major influence on their work. Otherwise, I'll keep they won't admit that... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:37:14 -0700 From: lists@neox.demon.co.uk Subject: [none] >Another related topic: Wolfgang Flur's new project YAMO released their >"Time Pie" CD last year. It's very.... different; "Word Poetry" set to >mildly spacey sounds. I also heard that he's working with another project >called Mouth on Mouth- not to be confused with Mouse on Mars.... or is it >the other way around?? -(Ha-Ha!)- Has anybody heard any more recent news? Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in the seventies of course...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:42 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. hi fellow-werkers, actually, AT built his own gear in the very beginning. songs from that = time=20 are published on "selected ambient works 85-92". later he used common=20 gear.... *as far as i know* as for orbital, jbv is right. there is a lot of KW in their last = longplay=20 cd "in-sides".... .as - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de - -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: jbv [SMTP:jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet am: Montag, 2. Februar 1998 23:14 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. Mark Reed wrote: > > >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) > I remember reading somewhere (on the AH list I think) that the rumor saying that AT was building his own gear was actually a fake, the truth being that he just re-packages existing gear (for instance Roland etc.) Does anyone have more info on that ? As for Orbital, I really liked their last (?) album (the one featuring The Box) although I think their sound on that album owns A LOT to KW (especially from the 3rd and 4th album). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original=20 sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:41:37 +0100 From: "Tobi" Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses On Mon, Feb 2, 1998 jbv wrote: >And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise >examples of other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) >who clearly state that CW has been a major influence on >their work. Actually, I own a bunch of electronic devices I am producing music with (can I call myself a musician?). I can feel that my friends listen to me from time to time (consider that as influential?). And I clearly state that CW has been a major influence on my work (I am making web design). ; ) tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:43:46 +0100 From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) KW influenced fashion hi, yesterday night, german television (zdf) showed a feature about=20 club-wear-fashion. you know, the fashion that is worn by the so calles=20 techno-kids in the clubs.... i think they showed a fashion-faire back in = 1996 in paris where male models presented a manmashine-like-outfit. (red = shirts, black throusers -you know the look) in the background the played = the original mix of radioactivity... unfortunately i don't know which=20 fashion-label it was... .as - ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:56:03 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) KW influenced fashion hi, yesterday night, german television (zdf) showed a feature about club-wear-fashion. you know, the fashion that is worn by the so calles techno-kids in the clubs.... i think they showed a fashion-faire back in 1996 in paris where male models presented a manmashine-like-outfit. (red shirts, black throusers -you know the look) in the background the played the original mix of radioactivity... unfortunately i don't know which fashion-label it was... It's funny, maybe the red and black imagery is coming back (did it ever leave?). Last weeks Top of the Pops program here in England featured a performance by the band, 'Chumbawumba'. Most of the members wore red shirts with black trousers, at the time I thought it very Man Machine! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:20:23 +0800 From: "Jeffrey Au-Yeung" Subject: (kw) Offer For Swap/Sale The following items are for swap/sale. Please contact me off-list if interested. Jeffrey Kraftwerk 7" Singles: Musique Nonstop, EMI 5588, UK (cut corner) The Model / Computer Love, EMI 5207, UK (cut corner) The Telephone Call Stereo / Same, Warners 7-28441-A, promo, USA 12" Single: German Kraft Medley 12", Enterprise Records, SABAM 5147 LPs Radio-Activity, EMI Capital ECS-80418, insert only, Japan Trans Europe Express ECS-80833, strip + insert, Japan The Man Machine, EMI ECS 81083, strip + insert, Japan Electric Cafe, EMD 1001, UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Harback Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Hello everyone, I'm very new to this list, so please excuse me if this question has been asked ad nauseum in the past. I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a similar sound. Oh well. Any advice/help/comments would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:35:04 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? I quite agree. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:42:46 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? You're a good girl, Heather... Our small community needs more people like you. Hope to see you in church next sunday... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:47:04 -0500 (EST) From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Chris Harback wrote: > I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the > unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I > was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In > other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's > by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a > similar sound. If R&F is your favorite album, then I think you'll really like KW1&2 as well. They are even more dissimilar from Kraftwerk's later sound, having very few electronic components in their music, but they still have their own unique appeal. "Ruckzuck" from KW1 is one of the coolest KW songs of all, hands down. In fact, many of my friends who can't stand Man-Machine or Tour de France love the early albums. Their sound is much closer to ambient than techno, and is mixed with a distinctive early '70s sound (esp. in the guitar and flute parts). While significantly different, however, I listen to them just as much as the later albums. I definitely recommend them, even at such a painful price. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : "The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with LSD) before starting their band. Inventor of new musical forms as soon as in the 50s, Stockhausen built such works as Electronic Studies I & II or Hymnen, experimenting new synthetic sounds in spatial projection, untiringly carving out an innovative musical grammar. His latest creation : Electronic Music with Sound Stage from Freitag aus Licht. Stockhausen is about to "project" it in France (Feb 3 to 5, Paris, Parc de la Villette)." - ------ Read in french newspaper Lib=E9ration (Feb 3, 1998) : "It's a fact : contemporary music and electro-acoustic music are gaining these days a new popularity. Especially among a young generation who tries to find in it the illusion of a "world". This explains that KH Stockhausen, musician of the "universe" par excellence, after fascinating the rock avant-garde of the 70s, is now mentionned as the major reference of today's most interesting techno hackers. It's interesting to hear the singer Bj=F6rk evoquing the Helikopter- Sreichquartett that the master created in 1993 and for which each member of a quartet used to play inside an helicopter transformed = into a studio flying in sync with the rotating propellers, to realize how his artistic move fills an expectation. As he told us a few days ago from his studio in K=F6ln, not one day passe= s without receiving a mail from some techno artist declaring his admiration or asking for some collaboration. Things that really fullfill a man who is about to celebrate his 70th birthday." (...) - ------ This is just FYI, and to give a few elements of response to those = (Jules AFAIR) who, a few months ago, questionned the possible influence of KHS on today's techno musicians. - ----- BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is almost dead. I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Anyone ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #45 ******************************