From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Sunday, February 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 066 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 17:41:20 PST From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} KW and the Beatles.....? In <01bd3df1$9092e2c0$3e590e26@e2>, "JL Jones" writes: > > I must confess a little ignorance here. Every time i've read something > about Kraftwerk and influences, people always mention Phillip Glass... > Which i could see to me alot more true than any Beatles influence... Actually, its more likely to be the other way around, Glass's first big hit record in the charts with a bullet *pow* "Einstein on the Beach" dating from 1976, "Autobahn" being from 1974 and Kraftwerk 1 dating from 1970. Personally, I don't hear any connection at all... - --DwightG - -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 18:43:11 PST From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Bjork-Stockhausen-KW connection {was: KW and the Beatles} In <01bd3de2$a50c6c80$LocalHost@default>, "Fer" writes: > > >What? Stockhausen and Bjork? What did they say? Where can I find this > >interview? > > > Bj=F6rk interviewed Stockhausen once too... it's on the web. I dunno the > exact address but you can find it as I did making an inference search > (http://www.inference.com/infind/) Bjork interview of Stockhausen is on "Stig B. Nielsen's Homepage," www.pip.dknet.dk/~pip971/bjork.html . The interview is quite exciting, and somewhat on topic; recommended reading. Actually, its a pretty interesting homepage... - --DwightG - -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:30:42 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) KOMPUTER - personal review wtalley wrote on Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:45:29 -0800: >Hey, I also have the Komputer album. I really like your individual >reviews of each track, however, I have a couple differences in opinion: Thanks! I simply could not resist to post it! When I heard Komputer, I just could think of those KW titles... >>Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >> 7. Singapore: >> It's not so explicit as tracks 6 and 3, but it's just like EUROPE ENDLESS, >> even it's sounds are close as emulations! Differs in rhythm, but that's not >> enough to 'obscure' it's likeness with it.. KW-like brack on 2min35s, >> followed by lots of arpegios... > > It's a blatent YMO ripoff. I love it! The bouncing electric bass >adds a real disco feel to that one - also, they use the YMO trademark >arpeggiating bells for a very simple climactic ending. It's the most >non-hard-edged electronic peice on the album. Ok, I'm not really into YMO, but it's [also] surely KOMPUTER's version of EUROPE ENDLESS... >> 8. The perfect pop band: >> Resembles a lot of SHOWROOM DUMMIES, but not explicit and not so close as >> tracks 6 and 7. >> Nothing special... > > WHAT!?! Arg, this song is essential as a lead in for 'Komputer Pop'. >It's very "german" to me. The beat, the jazzy synth in the background >all sound very different from the rest of the disc. Is this why you >didn't think it was special? I dig this song, but mostly as a total >build into 'Komputer Pop'! Yeah, you may be right, but I personally did not like it! > It's nice to see this kind of review! Thanks Eduardo, and if you see >either the single 'Looking Down on London', or the Komputer E.P. - grab >them. The single has the album version plus two plain-jane mixes of >'Looking Down On London' and a bonus instrumental track, 'DLR' that is >worth every penny alone. Also, the Komputer E.P. has three different >tracks plus the album version of 'Valentina Tereshkova'. If you see any >other singles or info, please share! Well, I try my best. I'm doing research on KW bootlegs, so I try to describe them when I found (Da bootleg report), but I though that Komputer would also be worth to do!! I tryed already to order the singles, but could not get them yet... You have no idea on how it's hard to get things here!!! Thanks Bill for the kind words! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:30:42 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re: (kw) ELECKTROIDS wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:33:45 +0100: >hy, >forget it, elektroids is just a boaring album of some boaring musicians >who pretend to >sound like kraftwerk. its mostly some sort of house or so. the best thing >to say about this album is the sleeve. looks a bit like cw by kraftwerk. >neongreen and neonyello. but the music is not worth to be mentioned any >more.if this is sort of a "parallel project", than this shows clearly how >boaring kraftwerk became. >regards >oliver I just think like you! I bought the record for pure curiosity, and as you said, the cover is very KW... But when I heard YAMO, there was a lot of similiarities, and some songs sound really similar! It may be a parallel project of Wolfgang? BUT THAT'S PURELY EXPECULATION! Try this: hear Elecktroids and then YAMO... and so the link is done! regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:30:42 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Re[3]: KOMPUTER - personal review + 98 tour comments "ROBOT" wrote on Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:40:43 -0800: >Hola Eduardo! >I was ROTFLM@O -(Rolling On The Floor Laughing My @$$ Off)- when I >read your review of KOMPUTER. It was FUN to read! I have 4 of their >tunes on Tape: Valentina, We Are Komputer, Komputer Krash, and Oh >Synthesizer. -(Direct rip-off of Neon Lights)- I like KOMPUTER, but, I >wish they'd be more original, or atleast be honest enough to do actual >KW cover tunes and give full credit where credit is due. Have you seen >their video for Valentina Tereshkova? It's KooL! They showed it on MTV >on AMP, a weekly Tekkno program. Anyone taped it? It would be very nice to see how they are... I personally have no hope to see them here on MTV Brazil (*aaarrghhh!!*)... >Very interesting review! Thank you for describing each track- I >definitely WANT this KOMPUTER CD now that I've read about it in >detail. Thanx! If I had knew that list members would get so interested in Komputer, I would have arranged a marketing kontrak with them first!!!! ;-)) >Just think- early June; KRAFTWERK in Tokyo, San Fransisco, L.A, >Detroit, New York, Roskilde, and maybe Madrid and Sao Paulo, then >London -(in August?)-. Being too realistic as I'm ever, I personally don't believe that they will play here in Sao Paulo or even Rio de janeiro... I truly want that, and you can be sure that I will be there FIRST of anybody else, on the best and more expensive 'camarote', and I will *kill* and *bribe* anyone needed to record the concert (on SVHSC or just plain audio)... Here is easy to get things going with some $$ money $$... But the managers here are used just to bring artists and groups that would make tons of money (U2, PetShopBoys, big hair metal ones,...) In Sao Paulo there are a lot of KW fans, most of them are what I would call *pro* fans - people on the electronica scene (yes! there's one in Brazil!), studio workers, DJs and things like that... But the 'young people that watch MTV and go dancing on the clubs' have no idea of what is KW... And on Rio de Janeiro I have no idea about it! Rio is TOTALLY different from Sao Paulo, as two different countries would be - because of that you can be sure that I will be on *ANY* KW concert in SP, but not on RJ... Why? Because it's 5hours far from SP? NNOOO!! Because I don't know how to 'act' in RJ - it's a different place, with different 'rituals' and 'diplomacy' rules... and please all of you remember: if you will be going to a KW concert... RECORD IT!!! how? it does not matter... but RECORD IT! regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:05:06 +0100 From: "Tormod Opedal" Subject: (kw) KOMPUTER -Concert in Sweden At 04/04-98 Komputer (uk) will headline the "swedish elctronic music award" in Gothenburg Sweden. Other bands will include In The Nursery(uk), And One (german synthpop), Covenant (Swedish electro, very good), Cat Rapes Dog (old swedish electro heroes), Vacuum (Alexander Bard ex. Army Of Lovers) and 7 other swedish bands. Rumours talk about The Mobile Homes (with Karl Bartos) but this is not confirmed. P.S. does anyone have news about the forthcoming Elektric Music album ? Best regards Tormod Opedal - ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:31:00 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) Mobile Homes Could someone *PLEASE* help me and give further details about The Mobile Homes and Karl Bartos? Which records (CDs?) contains both of them?? thanx! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:19:35 +0100 From: Oliver Kess Subject: AW: (kw) ELECKTROIDS Hy, I wouldnt say so. There are no similarities between YAMO and Elektroids imo. YAMO is so much influencend by Mouse on Mars and is musically far more exciting than Elektroids. I think, they did just boaring music, nothing special and not even made good. At least the YAMO record contains some good tracks, like AURORA BOREALIS or TRA TESTA E MANO or NAKED JAPANESE. And the good thing is, that the two first songs I mentioned, have absolutly nothing to do with Kraftwerk and have a far more ambient approach to music. It doesnt have to be boing boom tchak to be electronic! regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:38:43 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet Online update The Aktivitaet Online pages have been updated. There are a couple of additional tour posters (one of them is Barcelona 81) and some live pics, from 73 and 97. Will the old guys come to Barcelona?? Can't believe it's true! Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:48:36 -0400 From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: Re[3?]: (kw) ELECKTROIDS Oliver Kess wrote on Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:19:35 +0100: >Hy, >I wouldnt say so. There are no similarities between YAMO and Elektroids >imo. >YAMO is so much influencend by Mouse on Mars and is musically far more >exciting than Elektroids. I think, they did just boaring music, nothing >special and not even made good. At least the YAMO record contains some good >tracks, like AURORA BOREALIS or TRA TESTA E MANO or NAKED JAPANESE. And the >good thing is, that the two first songs I mentioned, have absolutly nothing >to do with Kraftwerk and have a far more ambient approach to music. >It doesnt have to be boing boom tchak to be electronic! I never said that, pal... I would even say that there's no need to mimic KW's style to be electronic... >YAMO is so much influencend by Mouse on Mars and is musically far more >exciting than Elektroids. (...) Ok, that's what YOU think, no problema... I'm not here to contest anyone's taste! I'm sure you misundestood me, but you may understand A LITTLE of what I tried to say, listening to: (in the order indicated) ELECKTROIDS: track 6 (Silicon Valley), track 7 (Midnight Drive), track 11 (Time Tunnel) and them: YAMO: track 10 (DR. UGLY) and track 5 (AURORA BOREALIS)... could you feel? If you can't find any SIMILARITIES between ELECKTROIDS and YAMO, so I can't help you! I'm not telling that one is better than the other, just that there are SIMILARITIES, COMMON CHARATERISTICS... just that, ok? regards, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:29:31 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) MP3 tools (off topic) can anyone recommend a good MP3 player for Windows NT 4 / 95? I'm interested in a MP3 encoder too. thanks guys, Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 05:08:19 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde Tickets Am 21 Feb 1998 01:47:28 +0100, schreibt Lars Nellemann: >The Roskilde festival web-site is www.roskilde-festival.dk > >It is not possible to buy tickets for the Kraftwerk concert alone, you'll >have to buy for the four days. You can not buy tickets for the festival >in the US - but several places in Europe. I've just connected to that web site and tried to get musicians info. Search result for Kraftwerk - nothing...... I know KW was in the list before, but it's disappointing. :-( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:50:38 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: KW / Glass / Riley Dwight Gruber wrote: "JL Jones" wrote: > > > > I must confess a little ignorance here. Every time i've read something > > about Kraftwerk and influences, people always mention Phillip Glass... > > Which i could see to me alot more true than any Beatles influence... Actually, in the early years (72 - 73), KW aknowledged an influence from terry Riley's music. In an article from 73 by P. Alessandrini about Krautrock (see Klaus site), this is clearly established. Steve Reich seems to be a big influence too (concious or not). Just listen to "Four organs" / "Phase Patterns", or some later stuff like "Music for marimbas..." or "Music for 18 musicians"... As for Glass' influence, IMHO, it can be heard in Suicide (and all work by M. Rev - along with many other influences, of course), especially his first compositions (Music in similar motion, Music with changing parts, etc.). The beat, the musical patterns and simple harmonic structures are quite similar... > Actually, its more likely to be the other way around, Glass's first big hit > record in the charts with a bullet *pow* "Einstein on the Beach" dating from > 1976, "Autobahn" being from 1974 and Kraftwerk 1 dating from 1970. > Personally, I don't hear any connection at all... Frankly, I don't think that this kind of dates comparison makes any sense (at least on that specific discussion). Glass, Riley & Reich used to be big influences for a lot of european rock / jazz musicians in the early 70s, years before the first note of Einstein on the Beach was even composed... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:45:56 +0100 From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde Tickets > >The Roskilde festival web-site is www.roskilde-festival.dk > I've just connected to that web site and tried to get > musicians info. > Search result for Kraftwerk - nothing...... > > I know KW was in the list before, but it's disappointing. :-( It's there - click on bands, and on the Guitar with the sign Bands 98, and Kraftwerk us still listed. Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:54:30 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) "mindframe. Internetmagazine" The following is quoted from rec.music.industrial: Finally, after many months of delays, "mindframe. Magazine" will finally be finished and posted for public consumption. The full magazine will be available at: http://members.aol.com/genericcrp/mindframe/intro.html [...] In our efforts to make up for the delays, a debut "quadruple issue" will be presented on March 1, 1998. Each "Dokument" will contain some of the following features: [...] Dokument Drei: February.1.1998 [...] FLASHBACK FEATURE: Kraftwerk [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:54:30 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Bodystyler article > German music magazine "BODYSTYLER" will start a Kraftwerk > retrospective in issue 02/98 (No #22) which will be out 25th > Februar It's out now. It's (almost) the same article as the one published in the Schwingungen Club Fanzin # 10 a few months ago. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:32:33 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos in Sound On Sound At 20 Feb 1998 15:52:04 -0500, Mark Stagg wrote: >The March 1998 issue of the UK music-tech magazine Sound On Sound has a - >get this! - NINE PAGE feature on Karl Bartos, complete with him describing >the working process of his new album, reminiscing about Kraftwerk - >including some new bits of info I've never heard before - and new photos of >him in the studio. > >Too much to go into now in fact, but if you can get hold of a copy, it's >highly recommended. Japanese "Sound and Recording" magazine (March 1998) had a four-page article of Karl Bartos, and announcedly a few more pages on April issue. They are translated articles, and originally written and interviewed by Jonathan Miller. I wonder if I can asuume that British article is the original. :-) Regards, Hiroshi. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:39:56 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde Tickets On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:45:56 +0100, Lars Nellemann wrote: >> >The Roskilde festival web-site is www.roskilde-festival.dk >> I've just connected to that web site and tried to get >> musicians info. >> Search result for Kraftwerk - nothing...... >> >> I know KW was in the list before, but it's disappointing. :-( > >It's there - click on bands, and on the Guitar with the sign Bands 98, and >Kraftwerk us still listed. Thanks for the info! They are there. What a relief... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:46:00 -0700 From: Jerry Withers Subject: (kw) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:55:47 -0600 So, are there any new concert dates? I was at the ZKM concert but would love to get another chance to see them. Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 02:32:27 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW & Philip Glass >>> Actually, its more likely to be the other way around, Glass's first big hit record in the charts with a bullet *pow* "Einstein on the Beach" dating from 1976, "Autobahn" being from 1974 and Kraftwerk 1 dating from 1970. Personally, I don't hear any connection at all.... <<< Glass was composing important and influential work before "Einstein." He started around 1966, to be exact. "Music in 12 Parts" is from 1974. Back me up on this, Paulo M.! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:20:40 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Philip Glass Adam Schefflan wrote: > > Glass was composing important and influential work before "Einstein." He > started around 1966, to be exact. "Music in 12 Parts" is from 1974. Back > me up on this, Paulo M.! Peace. Well, I'm not Paulo, but I have some info on this. Will that do ? In 1965, Glass gets a grant to come to study in France. In spring 66 he works with Ravi Shankar on a movie soundtrack. The next winter, he studies tabla with Alla Rakha (Shankar's percussionist) and discovers an organisation of sounds different from the western tradition : patterns added one after another instead of one single pattern which is then divided. This encounter with the East will lead to the conception of a repetitive musical process based on "additive progression". In 1968, he writes "one by one" for soloist knocking his fingers on an amplified table, which will be his first piece based on this technique. Back in NY in 67, he forms the next year a band of amplified instruments (electric keyboards, winds and strings) in which he plays organ and flute. Among the first pieces composed for this ensemble : "600 Lines" (whose rythmic cycle is inspired from indian music), "Two Pages" (in which is used for the first time in an orchestral way the additive process of "One by One", a process which will then become one of the major elements of his music), "Music in Fifths", "Music in Contrary Motion", "Music in 8 Parts" and "Music in Similar Motion". A curious sound phenomenon happened in spring 70 in a theater in Minneapolis during the execution of "Music in Similar Motion" composed in 1969, and will constitute for Glass an important experience which will lead him to consider psycho-acoustic effects induced by his music. This phenomenon consisted in the audible appearance of long sustained tones that no one was playing. Those tones were induced by the short and fluctuating delays in repetitive patterns played by human hands on amplified instruments. Glass' sound enginer and producer Kurt Mancaksi (sp ?) will then design a low-volume distorsion system to enhance those sounds and psycho- acoustic effects during live performances. In 1970, Glass composed "Music with Changing Parts", total length : 75 min, including improvisations of sustained vocal and instrumental sounds, and in 1971, he composed the first parts of "Music in 12 Parts". I have some more stuff if anyone is interested. BTW, a few months ago, as I was looking for some info on Glass, I found several semi-official WWW pages. Didn't keep the URLs, but if I found them, anyone can do the same. - ------------- jbv's notes : 1) The above gives you a rough idea of the intense musical activity in that period 65-72, not only in terms of musical production, but mostly in terms of new musical concepts. 2) You certainly noticed the amount of occurences of the word "motion" in Glass pieces. Considering concepts developped by other members of the NY repetitive school (Reich, Riley), the importance of movement, cyclic time, and shift between musical patterns is obvious. Furthermore, let's not forget that Fluxus was the name of one of the major modern art endeavours in Germany in the late 60s. To me, it's another proof that R&F didn't come up with any really new concept, but just repackaged some existing ones for the pop market. Especially when ralf keeps repeating : we are fascinated by movement... 2) Considering Reich, Riley, Glass & La Monte Young musical backgrounds and trainings, the importance of the Eastern traditions is obvious. Same thing, in certain ways, with John Cage, another big influence on many musicians in the 60s. So, is it too adventurous to trace KW's influence as far as Indian traditional music and balinese gamelan ? Do you remember that interview of Ralf from 91 in which he said that when they played Autobahn in India during the 81 CW tour, local people told them it sounded like their traditional raga music... Was it pure coincidence ? I don't think so... 3) It's a real pity that KW still stick to the same robot stuff, and never explored the mix of euro-synth beat and non-european traditional musics... It could have been a thrilling way to "close the loop"... 4) This is one of the main reasons why I tried to initiate a discussion about bhangra a few weeks ago. To me, it seems like those musicians have brought synth-pop to new musical areas, where KW failed to bring it. It's a pity none picked up that discussion. I agree that bhangra musicians are not consciously experimenting with synth-pop and KW heritage. But anyway, there's something in it... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:34:18 +0100 From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) KW & Philip Glass >I have some more stuff if anyone is interested. >BTW, a few months ago, as I was looking for some info on Glass, I found >several semi-official WWW pages. Didn't keep the URLs, but if I found >them, anyone can do the same. I think that the best one is Glasspages - http://www.lsi.upc.es/~jpetit/pg/glass.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:52:26 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde Tickets At 21 Feb 1998 23:28:21 -0500, tangram wrote: >> I've just connected to that web site and tried to get >> musicians info. >> Search result for Kraftwerk - nothing...... >> >> I know KW was in the list before, but it's disappointing. :-( > >Correct me if I'm wrong but the 'search' thing on that site gives you details >about a particular band as to 'if' and 'when' it had participated in the >Roskilde >Festival in the past and not if it's going to be there this year.For this >reason >Kraftwerk won't show up simply because it's their first time in Roskilde. >However, >they are still included on this year's main list of all the participating >bands. >Am I right? Yes, you are really right. It's _me_ who misunderstood the functionality of that search engine. A big apology... I've just tried that site again, and found four listees from Japan who playd there on 1996. (incl. DJ Krush, Ken Ishii and Sakamoto trio) Thanks, Hiroshi. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:03:49 +0100 (MET) From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) Subject: (kw) TELEX site Hi, The Belgian electronic band Telex is known to be one of the pioneers of electronic music together with Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra. They are the brillant people behind "Twist A Saint-Tropez" and "Moskow Diskow" which were real hits in the late '70s. Pure electronic dance music with a great sense of humour. For those who are interested, I would suggest to visit the excellent "Telex" web site at : http://www.lifehouse.demon.co.uk/Telex/ You will find many information related to their previous and current activities, a whole and impressive discography and even a "swap corner" where you can offer/purchase Telex items. A "must" for fans, and for people who don't about Telex yet ! Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:36:52 +0800 From: james sleight Subject: (kw) hi Hello My name is James Sleight, I'm a proffessional entertainer and am interested in theatrical music. I am also a KW fan but albums are hard to get here although each time I go to Asia my collection grows. Someone mentioned mini-disc which I use for all my show music and I find it excellent. I am thinking up a comedy piece to work with Sex Object as it is a great track. JIM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:12:57 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) TELEX site Emmanuel Goedseels wrote: > > Hi, > > The Belgian electronic band Telex is known to be one of the pioneers of > electronic music together with Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra. Blah blah blah > They are the brillant people behind "Twist A Saint-Tropez" and > "Moskow Diskow" which were real hits in the late '70s. Except that "Twist A Saint-Tropez" was actually a cover of a french hit from the 60s... OK. No offence. I was just teasing you... You know, it's sunday afternoon and raining outside, so nothing much to do except teasing Telex fans... Telex were also the brilliant people behind that brilliant song named "Something to say". IMHO, some of finest lyrics in synth-pop (along with TVOD and Warm Leatherette, of course, he he he). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:36:36 -0500 From: tangram Subject: (kw) (no subject) please! guys! doesn't anybody have any updates on that Tour info? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 10:54:10 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) No TOUR news? [was no subject] - -(Tangram sez)- >please! guys! doesn't anybody have any updates on that Tour info? I was wondering the same thing; -just a brief flurry of exitement, then NADA. What's up with Doepfler? As soon as it was announced on the List they jerked the info off their WebSite. Hm-m-m.... I guess it's still too early to plan a KRAFTWERK Konvoy, eh? Still hoping it's true, ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:02:00 -0700 From: Farki Subject: (kw) EFOFEX! Hi KWers! I've just now listened "Proof" CD from EFOFEX, and I must say that the whole stuff is brilliant! Very professional, very clever job. I'm always in trouble to determine the styles, but "Proof' is could be minimal/experimental/techno with lot of soft- industrial elements. Anyway, you can download some excerpts from the album, here: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html Highly recommended listening! And, hey John 'efofex' Talbert, thanks for your 'Active-K' page! You are very kind to let the people meet the rare Kraftwerk materials. Ciao... - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:04:43 -0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) MP3 tools (off topic) thanks to all the people who got back to me regarding MP3 players. I chose Winamp v1.73 in the end. thanks again, Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:44:16 +0100 From: Tomas Eriksson Subject: Re: (kw) a question and recommended listening I know it took a while to respond to this, but I haven't been sitting much in front of the computer. jbv wrote: - ---------- > I see. But what is the purpose of this list exactly : to recommend some > of the records you've been listening, or to set up an exhaustive list of > all the interesting synth material from 77-81 ? - -------------- My original intention was simply to recommend some records that I enjoy, and not to supply a complete list of interesting synth music from the period mentioned, which would be quite an endavour. It WOULD be an interesting thing to do, though, impossible as it may be to claim completeness of any list of this kind... Any takers? I could do it if I received some input. So, let's make it official. I will, if I receive some tips, compile a list of "all interesting synth material made in '77-'81". So if you (anyone) know of some artist that released any good and/or interesting record (7", LP, whatever), send me (privately) the name of the group and the record, format, year and preferably record company, together with a short description of sound/style etc. I will put it on the list and forward it to anyone who's interested, and maybe post it to the list if it doesn't swell over all boundaries (hardly likely, eh?). jbv: - ---- > The huge amount of indie stuff from that period shouldn't be a problem, > because a few months back I was quite surprised to find out (via a > simple net search) that a lot of obscure alternative vinyl stuff is = > > still available from various 2nd hand retailers and at low price. - ------- Hey, that's great! Now, all I need is some names... jbv: - ---- > The real question is the level of interest among list members... > I guess those really interested already have that stuff... - ------------- True, the interest may well be limited, but I have trouble thinking that all those who are interested have all the stuff. I'm interested and I don't... :-/ It's hard to get hold of records you don't even know exist. ROBOT wrote: - ------------ > Hi, Thomas! EXcellent recommendations, mein Freund! Thanks for de-lurking= > ! > I've got about half of these goodies you mentioned, and I've atleast hear= > d > of some of the others on your list, and there's a few I haven't heard of- > but, I'll keep my scanners on! SYNTHS RULE! - ------------ Glad you enjoyed it! If you have any questions about the groups yoou never heard of, I'd be glad to try to answer them (no guarantees I'll be able to, though, but I could at least tell you how they sound...) Enough already. Cheers, Tomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:57:24 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW & Philip Glass >1) The above gives you a rough idea of the intense musical activity in >that period 65-72, not only in terms of musical production, but mostly >in terms of new musical concepts. so your generation has done better than mine? :-))) just a curiosity: for me the golden age was 78-84, that is when I was 15-21 years old. was it the same for you? >3) It's a real pity that KW still stick to the same robot stuff, and >never explored the mix of euro-synth beat and non-european traditional >musics... It could have been a thrilling way to "close the loop"... yes, this could be a good "theme" for the next album... (hint: now look out for "informed sources" quoting other "informed source" that the next K album will be an ethnic thing... :-) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 ******************************