From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #74 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Thursday, March 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 074 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:31:55 -0700 (MST) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) archives attitude On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > AFAIK there are no rules for posting, although if you read the list > intro, it clearly mentions the archives and FAQ which answer most of the > repetitive questions posted to this list. I certainly had a good skim > through them when I joined, and I expect a lot of other ppl did the > same. They ARE there for a reason, after all. If the KW FAQ covers the FAQs from the mailing list, why not direct people there instead of the archives? Nobody is going to search through the archives for the answer, but some might read the FAQ. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:45:36 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) news It may interest you to know a bootleg video stall in Camden market London is selling a video copy of the Leicester Polytechnic 18-6-92 / Sheffield City Hall 16-7-91 shows for 10 pounds. Pretty basic stuff shot on a camcorder but interesting because: 1) cheap for a bootleg video (ish) 2) 2 1/2 hours long. 3) 1992 show is straight line up with full set and Henning.. 4) 1991 show is "V" formation with Fernando,shaking his leg and dancing! 5) Video graphics are noticeably different between shows.. Computerworld has different fonts, Radioactivity is lacking the "atom" footage, being text only, and Computer Love has a lower resolution. 6) Sheffield unfortunately only contains the main set and no encores. I have no idea why, but I was none too pleased to discover so. 7) Fritz plays live drums throughout most of the set, which he hasn't since the end of the Mix Tour in 91.. I can't get any more copies as I don't live in London, but any KW fans passing through on a Saturday/sunday really ought to get it. p.s. 'we are musical workers'... c'mon Ralf, you'd be sacked for laziness if you weren't the boss you know! bye for now, all, marky x - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:28:56 -0600 From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Beetle Vote David Barnard wrote: > Roxette: Sleeping In My Car > Simple Minds: Don't You > Talking Heads: Road To Nowhere > Blondie: Heart Of Glass > Hot Chocolate: You Sexy Thing > Enigma: Sadness > Pat Benatar: We Belong > Meat Loaf: I'd Do Anything For Love > The Beach Boys: Good Vibrations > Canned Heat: On The Road Again > The Animals: The House Of The Rising Sun > Bobby McFerrin: Don't Worry, Be Happy > Fool's Garden: Lemon Tree > R.E.M.: The One I Love > Blur: Beetlebum > EMF: Unbelievable > Chumbawamba: Tubthumping > Duran Duran: Electric Barbarella "intro a cry of anguish and confusion". How could theyput something that is utter and complete rubbish like the Duran Duran song and leave out "Autobahn"?!Why?Electric Barbarella is not even about driving(riding maybe ;-) Ugh. Yours truly, Heather D. PS. I do have to admit I liked some of Duran Duran's early, early stuff, but something went horribly awry, all this IMHO of course. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:20:57 +0000 From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Detroit KONVOY On a Roll! (Providing KW Makes It here!) Hmmmmm, Welp, We Got ME, Bill Dobiesz, and Mr.John 'efofex' Talbert! IF word Comes Form the Mighty TicketSheister or The STate, We gonna BE Rolling ! Hmmmm.....Gotta Meet up Some where Before the concert? But Where? I live in Chesterfeild, Bill Lives in Roseville? (Or Fraser) John, Where YA AT!!! lets Try to find a "Central Location" to Meet, OK? Eric Endless! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:13:09 +0100 From: lbo Subject: (kw) about a tour date in Rome I am reading postings from listies who complain the poor acoustic of some venues when compared to other. well, this bring to me a question. where could a Kraftwerk concert be held in Rome? Rome is an atypical city for what concern music. you can easily accomodate 20 or 20.000 peoples, respectively in the many small clubs or in the stadium (with such costs that events never turn on profit and have to be sponsored by rich sponsor like CocaCola or such), but where could you host a 2-3.000 or so probable spectators for Kraftwerk in a place with a decent acoustic? once we had a couple of circus tent, and Kraftwerk actually played in one of these in 1981. tolerable acoustic but very unconfortable. then we have the Palasport. horrible acoustic. and then some theatre but they will contain say 500 people and this will lift the price too high for being realistic. then there is nothing else. not a place were to held a decent mid-sized concert. and we are the capital of Italy. and in year 2000 we will be invaded by pilgrims for the Holy Year. there is no room for quality in this city. or for culture. everything good was build centuries ago. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:18:54 +0100 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas Kraf-Tour # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:17:55 +0100 From: lbo Subject: (kw) new Elektrik album? voices told me that the new Elektrik album is out now or is going to be out and that its cover could be seen in some fanzine/magazines of northern Europe. is it true? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:13:11 -0600 From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas the CADBOT tour (Computer Aided Design - roBOTs) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:42:22 -0600 From: Amigaforever Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas The Music in the Machine Tour # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:49:35 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) STATE of KW in DEEE--TROIT!!!! On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:08:42 -0500 J Talbert writes: ><<to drop me an email. Sounds like you, me and Eric from the Detroit area...anyone else out there plan on making the Detroit show? I'm certainly looking forward to it!! Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Silver Apples - Dancing Gods _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:16:30 -0800 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas - -(Bob VonMoss suggested:)- >the CADBOT tour (Computer Aided Design - roBOTs) KooL!! How'bout AUTOCAD?*HeeHee*! What's the latest version? Like, 14.5? It was 2.0 when I learned it in the mid 80's on an Apple 2e. Go ahead. LaFF. That reminds me- I gotta do my ROBOT plans.... as soon as I figure out this new SwiftCAD software. Ticket Info?? Well- it's Wednesday. No update at BASS or any other ticket WebSite previously mentioned. For instance, the farthest-future events listed anywhere in S.F. are Phantom of the Opera and The Giants, both on May 31. Okay, major events, sure, but.... where's KRAFTWERK?? I need listings for another week after that! -(Too bad I can't afford Phantom, too. Oh, well. Priority rules.)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:15:58 +0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tour Venues >Of interest to members of this list that have not >attended the last two live shows -- Kraftwerk have now incorporated 3D sound >in all their songs. During the 90-92 gigs some movement in this direction >was evident, but the last show I saw was totally 3D. Every song had elements >circulating around the audience, for example the bicycle sounds in Tour de >France. I'd like to add that, although I was too near the front to tell if they were using 3D techniques, the sound at their performance at Tribal Gathering 97 was also incredible! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:51:03 -0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) USA Dates Please can someone let me have the dates KW will be playing Los Angeles. I know that these have been posted to the list in the past but there seems to be some confusion over date format! Can the date be published as day date with the month written, this will avoid any problems between UK and USA members getting the day date and month codings the wrong way round! Thanks, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:09:15 EST From: DepecheCBI Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas the last tour # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:32:20 EST From: TPURE Subject: Re: (kw) USA Dates In a message dated 3/12/98 9:58:29 AM, you wrote: <> San Francisco- June/7 Warfield Theater L.A.- June/9 Palladium Chicago- June/10 Riviera Theatre Detroit- June/11 State Theatre N.Y.C.- June/13 Hammerstein Ballroom tIMPURE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:33:09 -0800 From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Tour Names / Tour Film / Tour Dates in Words Recap Here are the tour dates in words per request. Meanwhile, more tour name ideas: leftRest Stop (after that slow down in the original Autobahn recording). Kling Klang Konvoy AutoBand KraftWerk 98 (forget Windows 98) "The Kraftwerk Endlos Tour" is maybe my best recommendation. I would hope that a US film production crew would be allowed to document one of the Kraftwerk performances for a nice video release. Everyone check out Klaus Zaepke's Kraftwerk Concert Reviews page for previews of what we will see and HEAR: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/concerts.htm So now, according to the following web site, http://www.tickets.de/artists/art7.html Kraftwerk will be performing on the following dates [brackets = my surmise]: June 3, Wednesday, 1998 03.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz June 4, Thursday, 1998 04.06.1998 J-Tokio - Akasaka Blitz [June 5 to June 6, Friday-Saturday, 1998 Kling Klang Konvoy! Kraftwerk rests in Hawaii?] June 7, Sunday, 1998 07.06.1998 USA-San Francisco, CA - Warfield Theatre June 8, Monday, 1998 08.06.1998 USA-Los Angeles, CA - The Palladium [June 9, Tuesday, 1998 Kling Klang Konvoy! Kraftwerk visits with fans in LA and Chicago (don't we wish!)] June 10, Wednesday, 1998 10.06.1998 USA-Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre June 11, Thursday, 1998 11.06.1998 USA-Detroit, MI - State Theatre [June 12, Friday, 1998 Kling Klang Konvoy! Kraftwerk visits the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland?] June 13, Saturday, 1998 13.06.1998 USA-New York, NY - Hammerstein Ballroom [June 14 to June 24, 1998 Kraftwerk adds tour dates! Don't we wish! June 14 Sunday, Boston Don't we wish! June 15 Monday, Cleveland Don't we wish! June 16 Tuesday, Nashville Don't we wish! June 17 Wednesday, Atlanta Don't we wish! June 18 Thursday, Orlando Don't we wish! June 19 Friday, Houston Don't we wish! June 20 Saturday, Dallas Don't we wish! June 21 Sunday, Tucson Don't we wish! June 22 Monday, Las Vegas Don't we wish! June 23 Tuesday, Seattle Don't we wish! June 24 Wednesday, Kling Klang Konvoy!] June 25, Thursday, 1998 25.06.1998 DK-Roskilde - Roskilde Festival, Infos www.roskilde-festival.dk Endlos s s s Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:36:53 +0100 (NFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on ARTE The French/German TV channel ARTE will be showing some Kraftwerk footage=20 (probably the "Trans Europe Express" promo video) on Friday, March 20th,=20 19:00 CET. Excerpt from the ARTE programme schedule: a) German version (http://www.sdv.fr/arte/dtext/program/prog/s1/i0.html): Freitag, 20.3.1998, 26 MIN. VPS 19.00 TRACKS 12 : WEB MUSIC La Sept ARTE KURZBEITRAG Wir strahlen eine Internet-Jam-Session mit Musikern aus London, Paris, San Francisco und Detroit aus. ON TRACKS: Musik auf Internet Wer fuerchtet sich vor MPEG 3, der neuen Art, gemeinsam Musik zu machen? Einmal quer durchs Web mit: Future Sound of London, IAM, Jean-Louis Murat, Rolling Stones, Prodigy, Atau Tanaka, David Bowie. LIVE TRACKS Prince bzw. der Saenger, der frueher als Prince bekannt war", lebt jetzt auch im Web. Eine Live-Aufzeichnung aus dem Paisley Park in Minneapolis. FLASH TRACKS Jean-Louis Aubert und seine Website. BACK TRACKS: Kraftwerk Mit den Pionieren der Elektronischen Musik unterwegs im Trans-Europe-Express.=20 b) French version (http://www.sdv.fr/arte/ftext/program/prog/s1/i0.html): Vendredi, 20.3.1998, 26 MIN. PDC 19.00 TRACKS 12 : WEB MUSIC Magazine musical R=E9dacteur en chef : Paul Rambali (1998-26mn) Production : Program 33 LA SEPT ARTE=20 * On Tracks : la musique sur Internet Comment ecouter, partager, echanger de la musique sur Internet ? Grace a MPEG 3, les musiciens de Londres, Paris, San Francisco et Detroit peuvent jouer ensemble en se connectant. Un veritable buf sur le Web ! Reportage avec Future Sound of London (des technoides tres verses dans l'interactivite), IAM, Jean-Louis Murat, Rolling Stones, Prodigy, Atau Tanaka, David Bowie. * Live Tracks : Prince L'artiste autrefois connu sous le nom de Prince habite desormais sur le Web. Rencontre live a Paisley Park, Minneapolis. * Flash Tracks:=20 Jean-Louis Aubert et son site web. * Backtracks : Kraftwerk Les pionniers de la musique electronique nous emmenent sur le Trans Europe Express. A partir de ce morceau au groove ferroviaire, Afrika Bambattaa et DJ Kool Herc ont invente le rap, et Derrick May la techno. Danke schoen, Ralf und Florian.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:48:19 -0800 From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Shows We Might Have Seen Kraftwerk has toured the US before in 1975 and 1981. I missed Kraftwerk several times in nearby US cities due to lack of publicity. There was an entire group of shows in the Midwest that I could have easily made in 1975. Two shows were only an hour's drive away. Then I missed their Dallas show in 1981 by 250 miles. Here is a page with all of Kraftwerk's concerts listed: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/concertdates/concertdates.html For the US list members, check it out and see what dates you might have seen. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:52:42 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) What the FAQ! At 1:28 pm -0700 11/3/98, Ra wrote: >The archives are HUGE. Nobody can be expected to >even skim them for topics in less than a week or two, let alone _read_ >them. Agreed. I DID read through ALL the archives when I was compiling the FAQ. But I did that so no-one else would have to! And now, of course, you can't even find the archives, and, if you can, the references in the FAQ can no longer be used to find the one you need (not whining here, just stating the facts!). >There is an obvious solution. The solution employed everywhere else >this problem has come up. Make a FAQ. Not a KW FAQ, a KW Mailing List >FAQ that covers all these frequently asked questions on the list. Oh for f- f- f- flip's sake! That was the whole idea of my sitting down and writing the FAQ. Excuse my shortness over this suggestion, but I've heard it all before. The FAQ is accessed over a thousand times a month, but I never get any feedback at all, even when I specifically ask the list for it. Obviously there are some notable exceptions (Klaus and Jose in particular had a major input) but on the whole.. silence. So I have to conclude that basically the FAQ is up to the job. If people think otherwise, they can let me know their suggestions, or yes, there's nothing to stop them writing their own FAQ I suppose. But let me warn you it's one thing to come up with the idea and another to put the work in to do it! And it does take a hell of a lot of work. >Then >when another newbie pops up asking the same old question, Jules can >yell at him to read the FAQ instead of the archives. Since the FAQ >will be much smaller, it will be possible for the polite newbie to >read it in a reasonable amount of time. It only takes a minute to glance at the headings in the current version of the FAQ. Our hypothetical newbies don't even need to read the answers - just as long as they read the questions! BTW, the latest version of the FAQ will be shorter still, due to the removal of all those defunct archive references. >Naturally the FAQ can include pointers (or even direct links) to >relevant archive sections. How? >Anyone? Maybe we should ask for >volunteers and have a vote to elect one or more FAQ-keepers. Last time volunteers were asked for I was the only one, so that's who got the job. But if my FAQ's not doing the job... well, good luck! (Just don't rip off mine, OK?!). Regards Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:58:58 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Compilations and other... At 11:15 pm +0500 7/3/98, Christopher Gross wrote: >Has anyone heard of an album from Lasch Records called "Sehr Gut Kommt Sehr >Gut"? I found a copy at least 10 years ago... it seems to be a parody of >K-Tel compilations (there's even a K-Tel commercial as the opening track) >containing material by Der Plan, Kraftwerk, DAF, the Residents, etc. I remember an album like this being advertised on Dutch radio... a long long time ago... But the title seemed to be "Hippy New Wave"?! My Dutch wasn't good enough to tell. Certainly that one featured DAF and Der Plan, or parodies of them... Or maybe that advert (which made references to K-Tel) was the parody! At 1:13 am -0400 11/3/98, Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >Anyone has a photo of that thing??? The "VAKO ORCHESTRON"?? Maybe at http://www.pilot.com/optigan/cousins.html [Linked to from http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/miscellaneous.html#equipment >;-) ] (I'm not sure if it's the Orchestron that's depicted). At 7:52 am +0600 28/2/98, resin@tuna.net wrote: > kraft punk or daft werk? mabey daft kraft..or punk werk. >darren Great minds etc... A friend & I knocked together a KW parody as "Daftwerk" a few months ago! At 1:28 pm +0000 4/3/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >1. Florian Schneider will accept the professorship at the HfG in >Karlsruhe, but he doesn't know yet what he's going to teach there... You have to laugh. Same ol' Florian... Finally... To avoid a flame war, I'll keep this as a general point... I wouldn't take anyone to task for making obscure Kraftwerk material available, as it doesn't harm anyone... but pirating albums by other artists (who presumably are paying royalties to Kraftwerk for the privilege of covering their songs) is a bit rough. Musicians need to eat too! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:18:21 +0000 From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Warning & Tourname Hi tout le monde Two things: 1, A short word of warning to you lovely residents of the good ole US of A that were lucky enough to see KW back in '81. I suspect that when you see them later this year you'll end up being a tad dissappointed. Back then there was a lot of dynamism in their live performance, it was raw and there was a lot of movement, particularly from W & K. You could see that it really was a"LIVE" show. I'm sure that most of those that saw them in '91 and '97 will agree that a lot was missing from their performance, maybe a lack of conviction and weariness. Plus calling it a "Live" show is maybe stressing the point a bit. They may be there in person, but they're certainly not doing a lot (swapping discs over ain't performing live in my books anyway!) 2, Tour name? These guys are old: Geriatrix 98 Die ZIMMER die energie Goodbye Richard (certainly the most attractive member of the KW list) http://www.dmg.co.uk/kbbmag # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:19:10 +0000 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Warning & Tourname Richard Poolton wrote: > > Die ZIMMER die energie > the bedroom of energy? ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) STATE of KW in DEEE--TROIT!!!! On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Bill Dobiesz wrote: > Sounds like you, me and Eric from the Detroit area...anyone else out > there plan on making the Detroit show? If Kraftwerk comes to Detroit, I will utilize any means necessary including armed robbery and/or hijacking to be there. I live in Ann Arbor, about 30 minutes away. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One Staff, The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." Honors Program --Walter Benjamin jbmorgan@umich.edu http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:25:03 -0000 From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) Re:Warning and Tourname >I''m sure that most of those that saw >them in '91 and '97 will agree that a lot was missing from their >performance, maybe a lack of conviction and weariness For USA fans here is Paul Barnes' accurate review of the Tribal Gathering concert in June last year in the UK. For me this was my first Kraftwerk concert and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Having missed the Mix tour through another engagement, I made sure of seeing Kraftwerk this time around. To be honest I really didn't look forward to the gig, with the thought that they might cancel or they might be past their best. My friend and I, another Kraftwerk diehard arrived with a deep level of cyncism. On the other hand it would be good to see some of the Detroit techno stars and Orbital. On arrival (at 6pm) both of us saw a balding figure in sunglasses making a call on a mobile. We both joked that it was Florian Schneider, if only we had realised it was. Having walked around both of us found the whole occasion a little bland and a general feeling of 'this wasn't going to be our night'. Wisely like a lot of others we decided to arrive early at the gig. At 8.00pm the hall was very empty, but by 9.30 it was packed. I think the fact they turned off the music at 9.00 was a good decision, everyone in the tent seemed to be that little more expectant, more focused on the event. Standing to the left of the stage, we were both amazed by those who had travelled so far to see Kraftwerk, but also the number of youngsters who seemed to be new enthuasists to the Kling Klang sound. A father had even bought his two sons (who seemed to enjoy the event). It was only at 9.50, ten minutes before the gig, that suddenly I felt any expectation. The black curtain that hid the stage had casually been left open, just so the merest glimpse could be made of Kling Klang. With ten minutes to go I knew they would not cancel, it was definitely going to happen. The tension in the tent (which I estimate could hold 8-10,000) was immense. I don't know if it was a ploy or the reality of the situation, but at 10.00 pm Kraftwerk didn't take to the stage. The next ten minutes built up expectations even further. When the voice proclaimed 'Herren und Damenthe man machine, Kraftwerk', the crowd went mad. Anyone who has listened to the bootlegs or the radio broadcast cannot begin to believe how great the uproar was. Apart from the odd whistle, and some guy shouting 'old school in the house', this was one of the best receptions I've ever heard. When the stage drew back and they walked on, and started numbers, it was unbelievable, especially when the screens read 'ein, zwei, drei'. Numbers is one of the best opening tracks of any band, it just sets out the agenda of the gig. One of the most impressive things about them was the total feeling of the whole thing. They are by far the most memerizing thing I have ever seen on stage. It really feels like a complete art work. Having heard bootlegs of the Mix, the songs are similar in sound, but if one listens hard, one can pick up discernable different sounds. I though the bass and drum sounds were particularly new and interesting. The sound system was excellent, loud, but not too loud. Some of the complaints I might have levelled at the Mix seemed to be rectified on this tour, even Autobahn, my least favourite Kraftwerk track sounded excellent. Even the appearance of the Robots during Robots seemed really cool. One could see that they actually were enjoying themselves, I could detect little mistakes where quizical gestures were exchanged among members. Florian looked a bit older, and slightly larger in girth, having shaved off his remaining hair. Ralf on the other hand looked in great shape, looking really good. The black suits looked excellent, and I think they all wore the same style of black loafers. The new black suits with luminious green lines, somewhere between Tron and the Pet Shop Boys, were funny. The new song is strange. Only having heard it once, it didn't sound spectacular apart from the bass line, but thats only on one listen. Certainly it was more abstract and dancey, and perhaps show more of a link to side one of Electric Cafe, than to their more melodic side. It seemed appropriate for TG. When they finished with Musique non-Stop, both of us were gobsmacked by how good they were. By playing Tribal Gathering they allowed a direct comparison to many of their so-called descendants. I thought Kraftwerk stood up well, and blew most of them away. They seem as they always do, both very contemporary and yet rooted firmly in the age of modernism of the post-war years (hence the showing of the TEE on the screens). We decided that anything after that gig was a bit of a letdown, so we left. We caught a bit of the live show on the radio on the way home, and as I said it really gives a pretty poor impression of just how good they were, and continue to be. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:30:19 -0000 From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) Re: Warning and Tourname >For USA fans here is Paul Barnes' accurate review of the Tribal Gathering >concert in June last year in the UK. For me this was my first Kraftwerk concert >and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Deliberate mistake; make that MAY. Twingo, please correct to 24/5 on your page!! http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/concertdates/concertdates.html David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:50:49 -0700 (MST) From: Guillermo Aarón Nuñez Figueroa Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on MTV Latino!!! Yesterday, while I was watching the electronic music program called Ozone, they played "Pocket Calculator" at the end of the show... then, the vj said that kraftwerk are releasing a new album at the end of the year! Guillermo The Mexcican Fan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:57:19 -0500 From: Marc Houle Subject: Re: (kw) STATE of KW in DEEE--TROIT!!!! >Sounds like you, me and Eric from the Detroit area...anyone else out >there plan on making the Detroit show? Count Me In (windsor boy). Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:24:44 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Detroit KONVOY On a Roll! (Providing KW Makes It here!) >> Eric Knight wrote: > Hmmmmm, > > Welp, We Got ME, Bill Dobiesz, and Mr.John 'efofex' Talbert! > > IF word Comes Form the Mighty TicketSheister or The STate, We gonna BE > Rolling ! > > Hmmmm.....Gotta Meet up Some where Before the concert? But Where? > > I live in Chesterfeild, Bill Lives in Roseville? (Or Fraser) John, Where > YA AT!!! <<< Breaker, breaker I'm right t'chere in Farmington Hills. But I have wheels and will travel so anyplace is just fine with me. I'm totally flexible! BTW: Any of you planning on shooting over to Chicago to overdose on some Klingklang vibes? Regards, - -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:43:56 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour Name Ideas >>> ROBOT wrote: > -(Bob VonMoss suggested:)- > >the CADBOT tour (Computer Aided Design - roBOTs) > > KooL!! How'bout AUTOCAD?*HeeHee*! <<< Hey, couldn't this imply that they don't really have to show up physically? Perhaps this would be the final realization of the "automated concert" theory they've been talking about. :-) Regards, - -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:32:39 EST From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs Bowie On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:05:36 EST Spotnik writes: >I think "V-2 Schneider" was on the "Low" album...? (Not sure.) Great >song. It's on the "Heroes" album. (1977) The rest of the songs on that side seem to be pretty nice as well... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: War - Slipping Into Darkness _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:14:40 -0500 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) Warning & Tourname >>> Richard Poolton wrote: > when you see them later this year you'll end up being a tad dissappointed. Back > then there was a lot of dynamism in their live performance, it was raw > and there was a lot of movement, particularly from W & K. You could see > that it really was a"LIVE" show. I'm sure that most of those that saw > them in '91 and '97 will agree that a lot was missing from theirperformance <<< Yeah, but IMO the sound of them LIVE is quite worth being there!. Its not often you get to hear 'Numbers' or 'Home Computer' blaring out to you from 20 foot speakers! At Luton last year, the conceptual color scheme and dynamic bass during Man Machine alone really made it all worth while. Not to mention that thumin' bass on the new song!!! - -John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:15:05 -0700 From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:12:24 +0100 I know some of you have links on my site of the Tribal Gathering pictures, so here is my new adress : http://www.france-inter.com/kraftwerk/ Are there other sites with pictures of the TG concert?(or Karlsruhe) Thanks. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:20:01 -0500 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) archives attitude It's not fair to say to newbies to go read the arcives because some people don't have web access even if they have e-mail. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #74 ******************************