From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #91 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Thursday, April 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 091 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:59 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 BTW, I'd like to thank our dear friend Mode, the outdated golden-boy of this list, for being back and stirring up some shit with his never-ending remarks about KW and the Beatles and the new album and this and that, and thus starting another passionate and useless discussion like we haven''t got in a while... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:37:44 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 3 Jon Alsbury wrote: > 90% of sales will be to existing fans. record buyers are more conservative > and narrow minded today that at any other time I can remember. kids aren't > interested in new music these days. just look at the 'alternative' music > scene - it's a fucking joke. Jules Seifert wrote: > I tend to disagree, IMHO the music scene is now more healthy that it was > in the late 80's / early 90's. In those days ppl were put off the alt > scene cos indie was just foot staring cure rip-offs, but now indie means > a whole lot more. And if you go to festivals, the audience seems to be > incredibly young (or is it me gettin' old) > > No, i think ppl a more open minded now. Look at the 80's, don't you > remember how crap they were? Mmmh... I think you're both wrong... Thinking in terms of 70s or 80s or 90s, or major vs alternative is too straightforward IMHO... In the 70s like in the 80s, you can find periods where music is only a matter of grocers (the major record companies), and when it reaches a certain critical point, the alt scene becomes frenzy and hyperactive (like in 76-79 with the punk, and then new-wave, cold-wave scene) and imposes new artistic standards. After that, the grocers strike back by investing huge amounts of money on a limited number of people from that alt movement and changing them into new dinosaurs, until the next step of this cyclic process... Please remember that there was a time when Pink Floyd, Genesis, Depeche Mode, Cure, U2 - and even KW - were alternative acts... I like to think that in the 70s indeed the audience was more open-minded, mainly because rock/pop music (and all its derivatives) didn't clutter every possible real and virtual medium (records, video, TV, radio, press, internet, supermarkets, etc. etc.). It was a "pull" period, in opposition to the "push" period of today. Therefore, ppl had to do more efforts to find certain albums (I remember that the 1st KW LP was pretty hard-to-find in 71), and theyr imagination (when listening to the music) wasn't cluttered by the video clip and the associated advertising campaign... But it's true that things have changed slightly in the 90s, since the "alternative scene", at least in the US, has no become a grocery store... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:01:21 -0400 From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) komputer To: kraftwerk firstly, we're talking about pop music here - sure, kraftwerk brought a certain artisitc element to their computer pop, but, the bottom line is that it's pop. komputer's CD is certainly reminiscent of kraftwerk, (and in places blatantly so), but, it adds to the enjoyment for me. why is that? because i think it's slyly humorous to name a song "bill gates" and then lift a bit of "the man machine". i think of looking over london, (and others) as a different point of view from t.e.e. or what have you. i wasn't on the list when the kraftwelt cd came out, but, i did note that they claim (again, obviously so) kraftwerk as inspiration...i believe they even say so on their first e.p. oddly, kraftwelt don't seem to me to be half as good as komputer. they come up with interesting SOUNDS not interesting SONGS. we've discussed the thread of the beach boys, (or whoever) through kraftwerk. do you think the beach boys list says "damn, this germanic synth band blatantly ripped off "fun, fun, fun" and never thanked the beach boys"? hell, they stripped all the harmony out of it, and it doesn't even sound like SURF!!! i sincerely doubt it crosses their minds. because that's what music is all about, generally. find elements of something you like, use the elements in your own way. no lesser band than the beatles did the same thing. the founders of rock and roll did the same, and i'm certain kraftwerk did so as well. maybe their influences were less obvious than the beatles and buddy holly, or the everly brothers (to a pop audience), but, their influences are given voice, no doubt. now, i can listen to komputer, and "figure out" the elements quite easily. to say they sound EXACTLY like kraftwerk is a bit of a thing i'd expect my parents to have said - even though the ramones sounded nothing like devo, it was all "that racket" back in the 70's! komputer are much less minimal than mid period kraftwerk, and perhaps even use "fuller" arrangements than does late period k.w. my guess about not mentioning kraftwerk in the mute bio? why bother? i'm sure they've been mentioned in countless interviews, or reviews. why state the obvious? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:04:08 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album someone wrote: , I think electric cafe gets too much flack, i >really like it and i think it is ten times better than 95% of the >other >non-kw albums i've heard... i wrote: you must not listen to alot of music... tom w np: damo suzuki 4/30/97 - tokyo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:27 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:36:59 +0000 jbv writes: > >BTW, I'd like to thank our dear friend Mode, the outdated golden-boy >of this list, for being back and stirring up some shit with his >never-ending remarks about KW and the Beatles and the new album and >this >and that, and thus starting another passionate and useless discussion >like we haven''t got in a while... > >jbv > ...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? miata? vw? fiat?) tom w sp: damo suzuki -tokyo 4/30/97 (is this man a genius or a lunatic?) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:15:44 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 >...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? miata? vw? >fiat?) or Tonka? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:14:42 +0100 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff > >Craig Land wrote: >> >> Hi there Chaps, >> >> I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and >> Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, >> covering releases on both vinyl and CD. > > >Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried >(through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer >from them... I have ordered quite a few items from Hotstuff and found them very keen on price, with an excellent rapid service. Mind you, be sure to read their terms and conditions of sale, it's like any mail order service, you must follow their procedures in order for your order to be processed! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:01 +0100 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album - part 2 >>...and dont forget the the alfa romeo (or was it a ferrari? >miata? vw? >>fiat?) .....yeah, like all Italian cars, they fall apart!! It's cheaper to buy a Tonka anyway, it will probably last alot longer than a Ferrari, even if you do let the kids play with! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:50:15 -0400 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album >> > I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I believe it's gone > already to a large extent. I believe a lot of people who have taken an > interest in Kraftwerk comparatively recently will take one listen to the new > album and say "yeah, what's the big deal?". you have to admit, as good as > they were, they peaked a long long time ago. > > they should have split in '86. they'd have been remembered as they were at the > pinnacle of their influence and success. perfect. unassailable. who honestly > believes this new album will take the game forward and leave the world aghast > in the way Trans Europe Express and The Man-Machine did? > > Let's hope they prove me wrong! << Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too much pressure on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for taking music to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original intent. From my perspective, they are still talented musicians. Personnaly, I'm not concerned if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just needs to be good music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) My fear is that its this kind of unrealistic pressure that may have made them afraid to release new material for such a long time. Remember after all, they are just human. - -- - -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:21:06 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Craig Land wrote: > > I have ordered quite a few items from Hotstuff and found them very keen on > price, with an excellent rapid service. > > Mind you, be sure to read their terms and conditions of sale, it's like any > mail order service, you must follow their procedures in order for your order > to be processed! > > Craig. What do u mean exactly ? That I'm a newbie ? That I can't read ? That I need glasses ? That I'm too old ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:41:43 +0100 From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) HOTSTUFF jbv wrote: What do u mean exactly ? That I'm a newbie ? That I can't read ? That I need glasses ? That I'm too old ? Well 3 out of 4 ain't too bad jbv my old chum! :-) Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:10:07 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too much pressure >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for taking music >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original intent. From my from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups raison d'etre. >perspective, they are still talented musicians. Personnaly, I'm not concerned >if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just needs to be good >music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) yes, i agree. People for whom money is seemingly no object can always buy the very latest gear and create bizare new sounds. The quality of the music itself, however, is another mater... >My fear is that its this kind of unrealistic pressure that may have made them >afraid to release new material for such a long time. Remember after all, >they are just human. Damn! and there was me thinking they really were robots... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:15:18 +0100 From: Mark Reed Subject: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* >Let alone the last two 97 KW gigs (I wasn't at TG) that looked like a >bad joke (when compared to gigs from the 80s for instance)... Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem like much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if sorely lacking in new material. And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else we released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album it is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. And is their any reason Telephone Call and Tour De France weren't on "The Mix" that we can ascertain? Personally I reckon Henning's doing everything and the rest are stuffed.. - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:47:32 -0400 From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album > >> > >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too > much pressure > >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for > taking music > >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original > intent. From my > > from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have > given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I > thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups > raison d'etre. << > Basically what I was eluding to was the fact that the press and the technomusic industry and even many Kraftwerk fans seem to hold them ultimately "responsible" for where music goes next. I myself don't expect anything of this magnitude. Its simply not something you can predict - not Kraftwerk nor anyone else. Hope I don't sound too abrasive here :-) >> > Personally, I'm not concerned > >if the next CD turns the music world on its ear. It just > needs to be good > >music (which I'm sure they'll have no trouble creating) > > yes, i agree. People for whom money is seemingly no object > can always buy the very latest gear and create bizare new > sounds. The quality of the music itself, however, is > another mater... << Totally in sync with you on this one. >>Remember after all, they are just human. > >Damn! and there was me thinking they really were robots... :-) If they are robots, since they're taking so long releasing anything new, I would assume someone's programmed them with the *delay* setting full ON. ;P - -- - -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - -Featuring the electronica of Efofex http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:18:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > > the only reason The Mix faired reasonably well I > > believe is because all us silly Kraftwerk fans rushed out and bought it in > > every available format... > > Yeah, mix, schmix...... I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had a great sound. It's a good album. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:18:47 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:15:18 +0100 Mark Reed writes: >Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical >tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk >because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being >made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem >like >much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if >sorely >lacking in new material. > "vastly better than the majority of other music being made at any time in recorded history"? talking about subjective...but again, doesnt anyone here listen to anything else besides KW? i think if you did, ud mute considerably these types of comments... tom w np: spyra - future of the past _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:27:43 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: AW: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* jbv wrote: > > >Let alone the last two 97 KW gigs (I wasn't at TG) that looked like a > >bad joke (when compared to gigs from the 80s for instance)... Mark Reed wrote: > Obviously such kind of comments are subjective to the owners musical > tastes. I think I speak for all of us when I say we enjoy Kraftwerk > because they are vastly better than the majority of other music being > made at any time in recorded history. Tribal Gathering didn't seem like > much of a bad joke to me. I thought they were excellent, even if sorely > lacking in new material. Sure, man... Balance problems, mikes problems, robots problems, screen problems, video problems, complete lack of improvisation, serious doubts about the fact that they were really performing or simply playing some tapes... for a band who's supposed to be at the cutting edge of technology and musical innovation, and who's supposed to rehearse 8 hrs a day the same repertoire for at least 17 years, is certainly a matter of subjective comments ONLY... > And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else we > released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album it > is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. Did I hear "subjective comments" ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:00:46 -0400 From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: [none] Hi, My name is Norman and I have been listening to, and enjoying Kraftwerk for over 20 years. I mostly read messages from this list, and actually this is the 1st time I've ever posted anything. But certain people are driving me nuts. So here goes... first and foremost everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that, *BUT* (1) give Kraftwerk a break will you, they have blessed us with 20+ years of great music, fresh, innovative, ever-evolving. this leads me to number (2) If you listen to each CD from Kraftwerk through Electric Cafe I think you'll find that their music is always evolving, changing. Which I believe has always been Kraftwerk's goal. I, for one loved Electric Cafe, I am partial to techno/alternative style music that can incorporate horn sounds, and guitar sounds with synthesizers. That's talent. Lastly, (3) Everyone is talking of the new album, will it be as good? Can it live up to the reputation? Will it change the world? WHO CARES ! If you like Kraftwerk, buy it, if not, shut up. Form your own opinion later. Count your blessings, you may not even see a new Kraftwerk album, remember the album (the title slips me) scheduled for release a year or two before Electric Cafe? It was finished, recorded, printed, then scrapped! Be careful what you wish for. This album contained Tour de France, and other who knows what great songs, maybe something on this new album (if it arrives) was brought to life on this unreleased album from 10 years ago. In short, be patient, and open-minded. Everything happens for a reason, if they cancel the album, the tour, it would be a shame, but life will continue. Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:54 -0700 From: "Sean Songalia" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Tour in U.S. Greetings, fellow Kraftwerk fans. This is my first post on this informative list. The last time that Kraftwerk was on tour in the U.S. (around 1990?), I bought tickets to see them at the Universal Ampitheater in Hollywood, California. Being a big fan of theirs for many years (since Autobahn), I purchased the tickets though Ticketron as soon as they were announced and was quite excited at the opportunity to finally see them perform live. On the evening of the scheduled concert, a friend and I drove all the way to the Ampitheater, only to find out from the parking attendant that the concert had been abruptly cancelled. He mentioned that it was probably because of lack of ticket sales. At the time, I was unable to verify his statement and still do not know to this day, exactly why it was cancelled. Even though our tickets would be honored for refunds, I was extremely disappointed that there was no public notice about its cancellation. Other less informed people were also surprised by the cancellation as there were a line of cars in front and behind us who were turning back towards the freeway when they heard the bad news. I know I was very surprised as I kept up on current local music events and concerts because I was fairly active in the electronic music/industrial club scene in L.A. at the time. I was not surpised, however, at the possibility of lack of ticket sales, as the Universal Ampitheater is a large venue and I really don't think Kraftwerk's popularity at the time (circa Electric Cafe, The Mix, The Model, etc.) could have truly filled it. Even though they have been very influential in music, they have always seemed to have more of a cult fan base (like Tangerine Dream). I will be buying tickets for the upcoming Kraftwerk concert this year, but I still have to wonder if the same thing may happen to me again. Luckily these days we have the Internet and this list to help keep us informed. Also, the venue they are playing this time in L.A. is the Hollywood Palladium, which is much smaller and informal than the Universal Ampitheater. I think it's better suited for their type of performance anyway, with the whole venue being a dance floor with no seats. I'm sure it will attract a fairly eclectic crowd, with older electronic music fans mixing in with the newer Techno/Rave crowd who are curious to see some of the pioneers of "Electronica". I'm really looking forward to it and eager to see the first reviews of their concerts here in the U.S. Cheers! Sean Songalia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:21:58 +0200 From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos feature on swedish TV Tomorrow on the swedish tv-channel Z-TV there will be a Karl Bartos special on musikmagasinet. 19:15 or the rerun at 00:15 CET. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:25:48 -0400 From: mark Subject: (kw) NY - MAY 8TH VERIFICATION!! Just want to let everyone know that I called Ticketmaster today and they verified that May 8th is the day tickets go on sale for NY. They said at 12 noon, which surprised me. Doesn't Ticketmaster usually put their tickets on sale at 10 am? I just want to be sure of the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:12:21 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff At 15 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0000, jbv wrote: > > Craig Land wrote: > > > > Hi there Chaps, > > > > I have just received today the latest catalogue from the Internet Sales and > > Mail Order company, Hotstuff. There are lots of Kraftwerk goodies in here, > > covering releases on both vinyl and CD. > > Has anyone tried to order from HotStuff ? I must say that I tried > (through their site, by email and by fax), but never got any answer > from them... Really!?? 8-( I haven't ordered a thing from that shop before, but I'd like to try it now. Their stock list seems pretty cool! 8-) It's even better only if they have a few CDs from SPACELAB. A Swedish electro band... 8-) More later, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:35:29 EDT From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:03:24 -0500 Al Barrios writes: >hehe. Well it seems like some of the newer fans got into kw due to >hearing the mix, though imho the mix, though really good, is not quite >up on the other albums levels, which means instead of being almost >mindblowing it's just really really good :-) Count me as one of them...it definately made me want to "rediscover" Kraftwerk. Moving next to CW, then RA, then AB...I knew a good thing when I found it... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 np: Bloodrock - D.O.A. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: Re: (kw) Hotstuff Whoa! Look at all the S.P.O.C.K. releases! OK, I have to place an order now. Can someone recommend a first purchase? I've never heard them before, I only know them by reputation on the list (talking about S.P.O.C.K.). Thanks, CRZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:46:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) new Kraftwerk album > > >Excuse my opinion here, but aren't we putting a little too > > much pressure > > >on a musical group? Are Kraftwerk really responsible for > > taking music > > >to the next level? I'm sure this was never their original > > intent. From my > > > > from some of the statements they (Ralf in particular) have > > given in interviews I get exactly the opposite impression. I > > thought taking music to the 'next level' was the groups > > raison d'etre. > Could it be that they meant taking their own music to the 'next level' and not music as such? Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:02:08 +0100 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Out of Total Boredom! Yep, there I was last night thinking,...."Well there's nothing new to play, so let me mix something up"! Metropolis with the bass killed, and dropped over the top of the beats from House Phone,....wicked!! Don't all rush at once for your KW mix tapes!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:12:18 +0100 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album Ra wrote: > > I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had > a great sound. It's a good album. I beg to differ, but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the music is still good, and it is 100% R&F, but new and fresh it most certainly is not. To me it signalled finally that they were following, not leading....... - -- ciao, - ------------------------------------------ Jules Seifert #Kraftwerk IRC channel http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ#: 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:12:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (kw) what? Kraftwerk have new material? *FAINT* > And "Electric Cafe" is very very under-rated. If you ignore what else > we > released around the same time, you'll see just how brilliant an album > it > is. 'Telephone Call' is probably their best ever track.. > If an album is brilliant, shouldn't we be able to know that without ignoring what else was released around the same time. As I remember it at the time The Telephone call and Electric Cafe was released. I got The Telephone Call on 12" and played it to pieces. I thought it was so good, but when I later got Electric Cafe I got very dissapointed. I thought the album was VERY boring and nothing else. At the time it sounded to me like four tired guys who didn't know where to go or what to do next and the talk nowadays about KW pushing music to new levels, well at that time, to me EC was pushing nowhere. To me it was nothing like the albums before (except Telephone Call). Nowadays I have changed my opinion somewhat and I don't think it's that bad anymore. Maybe it has grown on me, maybe I listen for other things on that album than I listen for when I bought it or maybe I just have got used to it. Mind you that this is just my opinion and not a statement of facts. It's just my reaction on hearing EC the first time. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:37:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: (kw) The old new Kraftwerk album On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > Ra wrote: > > I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had > > a great sound. It's a good album. > > I beg to differ, No need to beg. We already differed. > but on what planet was it new and fresh? Granted, the On my planet, of course. :) > music is still good, and it is 100% R&F, but new and fresh it most > certainly is not. To me it signalled finally that they were following, > not leading....... Maybe, maybe not. To me it was a breath of fresh airwaves to hear some of my favorite KW tunes redone on new equipment with an expanded dynamic range. Not only did they add some decent bass, they actually did a little remixing too. The blending together of "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun to Compute" into one track blew me away. It doesn't matter what other people were doing at the time, because they're not KW. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:42:54 +0100 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: The Mix (Re: (kw) new Kraftwerk album) >I think the Mix deserved to do well because it was new and fresh and had >a great sound. It's a good album. don't get me wrong, I really like The Mix, and as you rightly point out it sounds fantastic with the new versions of Autobahn and Radioactivity in particular being much better than the original versions I believe (though interestingly Karl Bartos has recently claimed the majority of the programming that went into producing The Mix was his work alone...), however I stand by my assertion that The Mix was mainly bought by existing fans only. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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