From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Friday, June 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:55:27 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert << How exciting....2 songs added in 10 years.... I know I bet you they have an lps worth or more of new songs from the 90s but are not going to unvail them until the album is due out . I dont think they want to let the cat out of the bag so to speak becasue of constant remixing before pressing . Also (if any of you bealive me) I remeber at Linz this Italian fan asked Henning if they would play new songs. Henning siad yes *2* (zkm#1 and #2 )but they are infact old and that an new album release is uncertin -this out of the mouth of an offical kraftwerker . The three "new songs" I feel are old left overs they aborted in the early to mid 90s slightly fixed up for today. They perhaps are playing them just for the sake of playing new or unrealsed stuff. I bet they wont issue those new songs (luton zkm 1 & 2) AT ALL! Other than the little vid clip on www.kraftwerk.com They will let them stay only in the contex of a live show. ala.. Tour de france never getting a digital release . Does anyone else agree or not ? Oh and i like the new stuff anyway. E Q # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:53:12 -0700 From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Die With Dignity >> The first Die With Dignity album "Kraut?" (Captain Trip, CT CD-098) >> is presented by Klaus Dinger / La! NEU?. Die With Dignity have WWW pages at >> http://www.ping.de/sites/perry/die.htm. Klaus wrote: >The album is now out. Klaus Dinger is credited for consultation, and >he receives "special thanks (...) for his efforts and advice". Klaus, Is Dinger a personal friend of yours, or are you his press agent? Regards, Mode.123 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:31:19 -0500 From: Henrik Olsson Subject: Re: RE: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD The bootleg "Super Golden Radio Shows No 10, Kraftwerk in concert 1975 (Record nr : SGRS010) also seems to be the same... /H. > > Fellows KWians; > > > > This CD appears to be just an official (?) release of the bootleg > > Kommentenmelodie...the three tracks can be found also in the > > bootlegs versions (non-Germanophon) of KW1, KW2 and > > R&F. The sound of the boot is 7 out of 10, I don't know if > > the new release is better... > > > > Bye!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) Lyrics Hi, I am new in the list. My name is Jose and I met Kraftwerk 12 years ago. I was watching TV when I saw a video clip of "Music non-stop". I had never heard before about that band. I was 16 by then and I used to listen to the usual teenager pop bands (A-ha, Europe...), although I didn't own a single record. But that video change my life, it was like a revelation to me. I ran to the record store to get the record, and that was the first record I ever bought. I still don't have a lot of Kraftwerk material, but I'll keep trying. I think Krafwerk is one of the best bands ever, and I dream with seeing them playing live, but that is out of question, at least by now. Recently I saw a message about Kraftwerk's lyrics. Somebody said they were more poetic in German. Well, I don't understand German, and I also have problems with English, but I think their lyrics are pretty shitty. Don't misunderstand me, I think they are a great band and I love their songs, but the words are pretty simple. I can get some poetic meaning in a few songs, like "showroom dummies", or even "tee"; I find the lyrics in "pocket calculator" really funny, but "the model", for example, has awful lyrics. They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" and the words in Spanish were terrible, especially in the song "sex object". I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:33:20 -0400 From: tangram Subject: (kw) Detroit Concert hello! is there any list of people going to detroit? who is goin? or where do we meet in Detroit? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:00:21 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 In a message dated 98-06-04 14:27:55 EDT, mode.123@virgin.net writes: << terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? >> About as much as the whole slew of messages posted about the disaster # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:54:21 +0100 From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) new material and curtains In message PRODUKT01@aol.com writes >I bet you they have an lps worth or more of new songs from the 90s but are not >going to unvail them until the album is due out . > >The three "new songs" I feel are old left overs they aborted in the early to >mid 90s slightly fixed up for today. They perhaps are playing them just for >the sake of playing new or unrealsed stuff. I bet they wont issue those new >songs (luton zkm 1 & 2) >AT ALL! > >Does anyone else agree or not ? > Yes, I agree. I think that they are just too scared of no longer seeming to be at the forefront of their field. Irrespective of the strong belief exhibited in them in this list - I think kraftwerk are right to be worried. It could well be argued that the music world has now taken on board what they have done in the past but has progressed beyond them through the work of younger performers. They are, in effect, two men over fifty who have played an enormously important part in the development of music but, as was clear at Tribal Gathering at least, today they are flocked to becuase of everything they have done in their past, not because of their ability to explore the future. But this is all somehow also appropriate - the past has played a very important part of their work. Instead of new dance tracks I wish that they would return to the future/retrospective influence of previous work (TEE - 1930's, MM - 1920's). This would still be different - the new work, very jolly though it is, isn't. In other words, the four of them in front of their computers in TEE 3-piece suits would be far more interesting, I think, than the black rubber with luminescent strips. However..... To those who are seeing them on this tour... Have they fixed the problem with the curtains? Both in '91 in Brixton and '97 at Tribal someone had to crawl along the top of the front of the set to reposition the curtains so that they would close/open properly. And both times the problem wasn't solved. And in any case, the loose curtains are antithetical to the polished metal of the set. Why not invest in a taught blind that goes up and down? Bless 'em! Philip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:25:36 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics In a message dated 98-06-04 17:39:17 EDT, you write: << They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" >> I want a Spanish version of Electric Cafe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:58:34 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics In a message dated 6/4/1998 5:39:17 PM, you wrote: << Hi, I am new in the list. My name is Jose and I met Kraftwerk 12 years ago. I was watching TV when I saw a video clip of "Music non-stop". I had never heard before about that band. I was 16 by then and I used to listen to the usual teenager pop bands (A-ha, Europe...), although I didn't own a single record. But that video change my life, it was like a revelation to me. I ran to the record store to get the record, and that was the first record I ever bought. I still don't have a lot of Kraftwerk material, but I'll keep trying. I think Krafwerk is one of the best bands ever, and I dream with seeing them playing live, but that is out of question, at least by now. Recently I saw a message about Kraftwerk's lyrics. Somebody said they were more poetic in German. Well, I don't understand German, and I also have problems with English, but I think their lyrics are pretty shitty. Don't misunderstand me, I think they are a great band and I love their songs, but the words are pretty simple. I can get some poetic meaning in a few songs, like "showroom dummies", or even "tee"; I find the lyrics in "pocket calculator" really funny, but "the model", for example, has awful lyrics. They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" and the words in Spanish were terrible, especially in the song "sex object". I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument. Jose Jose: Welcome to the list! I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as communicative and/or effective? Best, HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:20:42 EDT From: Subject: Re: RE: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 100 In a message dated 6/4/1998 2:27:55 PM, you wrote: << >> abzug wrote: >> terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? > Bill wrote: >And with all of the sesitivity of a "complete" asshole too! >Beautiful... To conclude on this issue I would like to on behalf of all fellow European list members offer our deepest sympathies to our German cousins, especially those immediately affected by this terrible disaster. The insensitive thing was to post the message and then for people to draw analogies with TEE. THAT WAS SICK. Coming from a country that has suffered a number of transport disasters in recent years my thought are with you during this difficult time. >> To all those who posted on this issue, and as the original poster of this story to the list: I would like to thank everyone who made a comment, counter or pro the posting, and including those who supplied humor; something often needed when things this horrible and evil happen. Our sympathies to the families, friends, and loved ones of the deceased and injured. May God be with you all. Best, Harry Allen Hip-Hop Activist & Media Assassin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:11:09 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Look out SF & LA, here comes ROBOT "I left my brain- in San Fransisco...." Huh?? Am I DREAMING?? No shit- I'm actually going to see KRAFTWERK!! I'm SouthBound on the Greyhound Bus tomorrow morning at 10:45am out of Fortuna, CA. 'Got my bus tickets, Konzert tickets, Plane tickets, and, thanks to all the wonderful people who helped me out, and a local friend -(not even a Fan, just a really nice guy)- who bailed me out at the last minute, I won't be traveling with empty pockets. I'm not worthy. really. I wish I were RICH so I could pay everybody's way and not have to borrow money and be in debt forever.*sigh*. I'll never break even, but, it's WORTH it! Thank you, everyone! Ich liebe Dich! {{{{{{{{ROBOHUGS}}}}}}}} So, I'll be back Thursday. Too bad I don't have an auto responder thingy so I could automatically reply to all Emails that I'll be back the 11th. -(poking around)- Actually, there IS some kind of set up in my Inbox Assistant -(MSIE Outlook Express)-, but, it doesn't look like I can exclude specific addresses, such as Mail Lists. I don't want to muck up anyone's Email, so, I'll just leave it alone, let my Email pile up for 6 days, and try to answer everybody when I get back. You lucky guys in Tokyo- I heard some stories that made me cry: meeting Florian at Akasake-Mitsuke station, posing all buddy-buddy for pictures, and meeting him again the next night after the 2nd -(3rd?)- Konzert.*WAH-H-H*. some people have ALL the luck.*sigh*. I'm scoping out the flight scheduals at the airport!*HeeHee*! Tokyo/Honolulu- YEAH! There's their plane! There they are getting their luggage! "Pardon me, Sir, did you drop this? Oh- Florian!! Well, Hi!" *HeeHee* yeah, I'm definitely dreaming! Union Square Plaza Hotel, 432 Geary Christoph Marquardt & myself and a couple of other Fans will be staying there Sat & Sun night. PAAAAR-DEEE! I'll be arriving in SF around 6pm Friday. I don't know where I'll stay that night. MAYbe the Hotel le Nain, 730 Eddy. -(I wish I'd found it sooner. It's cheaper than Union Square Plaza. I have a Traveler's Discount Guide coupon book. $40 for 1 person.)- If there's something cheaper right there in the same neighborhood, that's where I'll be. I'll put a simple ROBOT logo drawing on the door/window of my room. Yeah. That'll WERK. Unless Ralf & Florian see it and RUN the other way!! uh-oh. nevermind. Hm-m-m, I wonder where they'll be staying & What plane will they be on.... :]]]] If all else fails, meet up in line before each venue. Yo, L-Aliens! PARTY at Kontrol Faktory 839 N. Highland after the Palladium gig. BE there!! -(I hope the band will show up- but, don't count on it. Numan showed up there the night before his show, so, anything's possible.)- ps: thanks to Richard Joly for the SJ Merc URL. -(The local Library doesn't carry it.)- Interesting. "Missing KRAFTWERK is verboten!" Jawohl! I can take or leave most of the rest of the article.*snicker*. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:15:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Look out SF & LA, here comes ROBOT On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, ROBOT wrote: > Huh?? Am I DREAMING?? No shit- I'm actually going to see KRAFTWERK!! > I'm SouthBound on the Greyhound Bus tomorrow morning at 10:45am out of > Fortuna, CA. 'Got my bus tickets, Konzert tickets, Plane tickets, and, Enjoy the show, folks. You have my jealousy. Someone sneak in a video camera for me! :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:22:48 -0700 From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) San Jose Mercury News Article Quoted Brad Kava, the author of the San Jose Mercury News article, is going to the concert and gave me permission to quote the article! So here it is (though you all now have the web page courtesy of Richard Joly): http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/ent/docs/humpday3.htm. Published Wednesday, June 3, 1998, in the San Jose Mercury News HUMPDAY BY BRAD KAVA Music that sends the listener soaring 3 top `art rock' bands bring addictive sounds to area to treat minds and ears IT HAS been politically incorrect since Nancy Reagan to say such things -- but maybe with the recent opening of ``Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas'' and its depiction of the high life, I can get it by the editors. Some years back, I knew people (they're still out there today) who would view the kind of music that's coming up this week as the soundtrack to a drug trip. Can you imagine that? Of course, progressive rock is capable of inducing that trancey, spacey state of mind in almost anyone -- that's what has kept it alive for a few decades, even if it is shunted off to a corner of the musical world. For fans of the music once called ``prog-rock'' or ``art rock'' (the latest nickname is ``post rock''), this weekend is like Christmas and the Fourth of July mixed together -- just as the music mixes rock, ambient, jazz, classical, dub, dance, experimental and the kitchen sink. Lots of musical fireworks; almost no vocals. Three of the finest prog-rock bands in the world are passing through the Bay Area this week: Kraftwerk, the underrated German band that helped define the form in the '70s; Ozric Tentacles, an English band formed in 1983 that has been a bridge between the old and new waves; and Tortoise, a '90s Chicago instrumental collective that is as revolutionary and addictively dreamy today as Tangerine Dream was two decades ago. With its long, moody instrumentals and its sometimes challenging shifts from jarring experimental noise to lulling dreamscapes, this music is a natural soundtrack for people who are already seeing pictures in their eyelids. It's also loved by Silicon Valley engineers, who use it as inspiration for their late-night projects, making those lines of code come to life. Tortoise plays tonight with Isotope 217 at Palookaville (9 p.m., all ages, $10) and Thursday and Friday at the Great American Music Hall (9 p.m., $14). Ozric plays Friday at the Fillmore (9 p.m., $16.50) and Kraftwerk plays the Warfield on Sunday (8 p.m., $29.50). I called on some of my prog-rock-loving friends and experts to handicap the three shows. ``If I could see one, it would be Ozric,'' says Amacker Bullwinkle, who does a show Friday mornings from 6 to 10 a.m. on KFJC-FM (89.7). ``They are so rare. They've only been to the States twice. And they are still growing. With Kraftwerk, you know where they are going. They haven't done anything new. Ozric can go anywhere in a show, and you never know where it will go.'' The band, formed around guitarist Ed Wynne and keyboardist Joie Hinton, now includes Merv Peopler on drums and synth player Steve Everett. Bullwinkle (yes, it's her real name) did an Ozric special last week and included a joke by one of her fellow DJs, ``Uncle Al'' (not his real name). He said they were selling shirts with all of Ozric's lyrics on them. Yes, they are plain white. Her favorite album is 1991's ``Strangeitude,'' (Capitol) with its Grateful Dead-like jams and great rock flute. Some of the later albums, she says, border on New Age, which she pronounces newage -- rhymes with sewage. But it is still her hot pick. She saw the group once with only 20 other people at the Kennel Club and it blew her mind, she says. Dave Wohlman, formerly KOME's Sunday morning rock archivist, says missing Kraftwerk is verboten. ``They are the source,'' he says. ``They go back to the '60s, when no one quite knew what to do with a synthesizer. There was nothing else prominent with the instrument in front, except a few novelty acts. They helped shape the whole electronica movement -- techno and jungle, all of the current electronica can be traced back to those two guys (Florian Schneider and Ralf Hutter).'' Wohlman says the band has toured only a few times in the States, including one tour in support of the 1978 album ``The Man Machine,'' where the four musicians left the stage and let robots and computers play their set. Wohlman's suggested disc for a newcomer? ``Trans-Europe Express,'' (Capitol) the 1977 album celebrating train travel. ``It influenced more bands than you can fit onto a shelf of CDs.'' I'm going to all three, but if I had to pick one, it would be Tortoise, whose 1998 album ``TNT'' (Thrill Jockey) alternately kicks me in the butt and massages my shoulders. New guitarist Jeff Parker makes the difference between this and 1996's ``Millions Now Living Will Never Die,'' which kicks more than soothes. His licks conjure a '90s David Gilmour, with chords that immediately lull a listener into a gentle trance like an alligator trainer stroking the belly of his beast. But this isn't newage. Percussionist and vibes player John McEntire blasts you awake like a jackhammer operator, with loops of ground-shaking banging that he records in his basement. It's a battle between heaven and hell, a series of tensions and releases that ends up in a glorious mind meld. The opening band, Isotope 217, includes Tortoise members Parker, Dan Bitney and John Herndon, playing jazz fusion with three members of the Chicago Underground Orchestra. ...(other concert previews) Hump Day appears each Wednesday in Silicon Valley Life. Write Brad Kava and Candace Murphy at the Mercury News, 750 Ridder Park Drive, San Jose, Calif. 95190. Call them at (408) 920 5040 or (408) 920-5046. Fax to (408) 271-3786 or e-mail bkava@sjmercury.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:02:39 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW in Hollywood >"the doors open at 6:30 and close at 11:00... that's all he knows." this means that people should get out before 11:00 or that they could not enter after 11:00? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:23:48 +0200 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 abzug wrote: >terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? Nothing. Thanks God ! It´s OFF TOPIC !!! Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 9:26:41 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Roskilde line-up I just got the line-up from Roskilde, Kraftwerk will be playing in the gree= n tent at 21:30, before them its a film called "Modulations" at 19:00 and "DJ Hell" at 20:15 - THATS IT! I've never before heard of ANY band occupying a tent for a whole day on Roskilde - I like it! Anybody know who this DJ Hell is? Is there anybody out there who can make a list of some kind on their homepa= ge so that all of us who is going to go there to see KW could put our names on it, I'm not so good at HTML that I can arrange it on my own homepage=2E /Johan: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:02:40 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang OPEN I've got this idea: At http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KWHTML/index=2Ehtml I've got 10Mb of free homepage, this one is ment to be used by YOU! The idea is that I give you all, fellow listmembers, access to do whatever you want on this page, put in pictures, text, sound=2E=2E=2E=2E related to=20= Kraftwerk, a living KlingKlang site!!! Isn't it a great Idea???? To edit the page you'll have to go to: http://homepager=2Etripod=2Ecom/service/homepager/chooser/index=2Ehtml And give a Username: KWHTML And a password: wrtrzx Its possible to use pre-made layouts (For people like me who isn't so good=20= at HTML) or to use your HTML knowledge to make it as you like=2E I hope you all use your creativity! /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:11:25 PDT From: "michel leraille" Subject: (kw) Tokyo concerts Hi there, Some of you will think I'm the king of spoilers, but anyway, here are a few details regarding the Tokyo gigs. I've only seen the gigs of june 3 & 4, but it's was quite disapointing : everything is EXACTLY the same as in Linz and ZKM and as the day before (same track list, same videos, same old people pushing buttons now and then) - only the Robots has got a new light show (which is not too bad). In other words, the only differences between gigs is when something goes wrong or when some piece of gear doesn't work the way it should (which happens quite a few times, believe me). Only the new version of Distant Voices and the new song seem to have different versions every night, and only during those songs they actually give the impression of doing something. As for PC, IMHO, the reaon why they don't allow the audience to press any key is that they only use their little boxes to send MIDI note-ons and note-offs to trigger samples and/or entire sequences, and because of that the audience could f*ck up the whole song (but at least, something unexpected could happen...) Well, those old people seem to be caught in an endless loop... Someone has to kick their butt to make them move forward. The only REALLY interesting thing about these 2 Tokyo gigs was that the hall was full of wondeful japanese girls ! Jeeez... 2 more KW concerts to come... jbv (in Tokyo) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:34:05 -0700 From: odsplut@ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) ...by way of Herr KaseMeister The newest release from the International Deejay Gigolos label (Gigolo 12) is nothing but a tuff, elektrofried version of "Showroom Dummies Part I & II" kicked and beaten by Mr. Ed DMX and his Krew. "Part I" speeds up/loads up the original with that 303 line and those 808 beats and a more sinister vocorder while "Part II" whips it all together with a tab of acid... On the flip is a japanesed translation entitled "Manekin" with transistorized female vox and a Kraftwerk derived "Cold Heart Part II". ...oh, and the label features the usual pumped-up Arnold...black shirted and red, skinny tied! ...I can wear this out between now and Monday 08 June 1998, 6:30PM... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:47:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics > Jose: > > > Welcome to the list! Thanks! > I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. > > When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to > express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that > if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as > communicative and/or effective? Take, as an example, "Boing-Boom-Tschak" (I hope the spelling is right :) or "Numbers". I think the words in those songs are just like a percussion instrument. And I think in most of the songs they don't try to communicate anything. What is the meaning of the lyrics in "Radioactivity"? (at least the English version) I think some songs have funny words and some have interesting words, such as "Hall of mirrors", but most of them are not very good. I like them because of the way they sound, not because of what they are saying, and probably if they had put different words in "the models" I would keep loving that song as much as I do now. Well, if you put some "blueish" lyrics, like "I love you and you don't love me and my heart is broken, baby" then you screw up their songs, but in general I think you can change the lyrics of most of their songs without making them less effective. Of course, it is just an opinion, and I like the songs the way they are. I don't want anybody to change their words. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:39:06 +0200 From: Orjan Engstrom Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics So you want the Spanish version of sex object? The Spanish version of Sex Object can be found on the bootleg Kraftwerk: werke So if you want to hear it just buy it Kraftwerk: Werke Westwood one-rarities on compac disc vol55. On that CD you can also find the rare Radioactivity hardcore mix by William Orbit Orjan 070-6957756( +46706957756) http://www.mds.mdh.se/~ing96oem/ UIN:707212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 01:16:23 PDT From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: RE: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Henrik Wrote: >The bootleg "Super Golden Radio Shows No 10, Kraftwerk in concert 1975 >(Record nr : SGRS010) also seems to be the same... Yes! That's the record I wrote about. Live in Köln 1975. It's a good one! /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:41:29 PDT From: "michel leraille" Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Paulo wrote : >Interesting, although I prefer to listen to Download, Lars Stroschen or >even Parmegiani. Ibo wrote : >I heard about download, even if I never listened to them, but I don't know >anything of the latter two, could you tell something? As for Bernard Parmegiani, it's one of the INA/GRM composer. He must be now in his late 60s. Some of his most interesting works are De Natura Sonorum (1974), and the LP L'Oeil Ecoute (released on the Philips label circa 1966 and now out-of-print) and featuring some early compositions using Moog synths that beat most of today's techno stuff. jbv ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:49:14 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Japan Kraftwerk will perform at Akasaka Blitz on this Tue (2), Wed (3) and Thu (4). Japanese D&B DJ Dazzle-T and Kaji spins at High Camp Qoo on this Sat. A rave party "The strong sun moon festival" will be held in Gifu in this July. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:51:42 PDT From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: Message Bounce: Re: (kw) Lyrics I think that the simple lyrics that seem to be just another instrument is exactly what kraftwerk want to do. While most musicians get hung up on lyrics and sounds like a two bit singer with back-up, KW integrate the two in order to become a "man machine." I prefer the non-english version of any song because I don't like to get hung up on what the musician says, but how he has truely made his voice an instrument. Not to say that the lyrics aren't useful. Imaigine Autobahn without the simple "Wir fahren, fahren, fahren..." (The major exception to the lyrics simply being there is "Hall of mirrors" which even my non-kraftwerk fan friends have agreed is a splendid) Sorry if I'm rambling. 1 hour of sleep. But now school is over. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:02:20 +0200 From: "Erik Barth (XS4ALL)" Subject: RE: (kw) Tokyo concerts - -----Original Message----- ... Well, those old people seem to be caught in an endless loop... Someone has to kick their butt to make them move forward. ... - -------------------------- With this old stuff, there is one way to stop this endless loop because by using these old computers, they would certainly suffer from the millennium-bug. Imagine all KW computers turn black on 1/1/2000! It would be the real end of KW. (musique ... stop) Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:46:42 -0400 From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics I think if you thought about it... it would be kind of hard to actually "sing" to any Kraftwerk song. Think of a song you like with nice long, flowing, rhyming words to it, then try to put those words into a Kraftwerk song. Most Kraftwerk songs are very thought provoking, but only the sounds make you think, "Man... how'd they do that, that's really interesting." I think trying to place words with the sounds is very difficult, especially with the constant looping and repeating sounds, are you going to repeat the same lyrics over and over, that would really kill the music. Although it seems Kraftwerk has even resorted to that occasionally. As for the new songs, I can't remember hearing any singing in them, and one was god awful, it started off strong... but then turned into and endless loop for 6 minutes, my god! Yuck! Of all the ups and downs to Kraftwerks music, the only *real* gripe I have is they could use more bass. the Mix version of Autobahn flirted with this slightly, in certain areas, but that's it. But, I'll agree that these are hardly "finished" I feel, and may just be used to "gauge" the audience to help "mold" future songs. Seeing what the new generation of fans like/react to. Just my thoughts. Hope to see some of you at the Tibet Freedom Festival on the 14th in Washington, DC in 8 days!!! I have the lineup for the 14th, and Kraftwerk plays towards the end of the lineup that day. Later all, Norman ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics Author: Jose Corchado at wrsmtp-ccmail Date: 6/4/98 7:47 PM > Jose: > > > Welcome to the list! Thanks! > I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. > > When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to > express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that > if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as > communicative and/or effective? Take, as an example, "Boing-Boom-Tschak" (I hope the spelling is right :) or "Numbers". I think the words in those songs are just like a percussion instrument. And I think in most of the songs they don't try to communicate anything. What is the meaning of the lyrics in "Radioactivity"? (at least the English version) I think some songs have funny words and some have interesting words, such as "Hall of mirrors", but most of them are not very good. I like them because of the way they sound, not because of what they are saying, and probably if they had put different words in "the models" I would keep loving that song as much as I do now. Well, if you put some "blueish" lyrics, like "I love you and you don't love me and my heart is broken, baby" then you screw up their songs, but in general I think you can change the lyrics of most of their songs without making them less effective. Of course, it is just an opinion, and I like the songs the way they are. I don't want anybody to change their words. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #118 *******************************