From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #141 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 141 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:37:30 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Possible reasons for the cancelled Washington appearance Who organized the appearance? Groups typically tour with "riders." These documents list their requirements for performances. The bulkiness of the Kraftwerk show is something that could have been ascertained months in advance. I don't understand this apparent chain of events. Best, Harry Allen In a message dated 6/16/1998 2:38:58 PM, you wrote: << Some excerpts from the "bulletin board" at www.tibet98.com: =================== Thanks to Skumeck,they didnt show up, he was scared that their gear would be damaged =================== Apparently the Milrepa Fund folks "encouraged" Kraftwerk to cancel, citing the long amount of time it would take to set up all their electronic gear. =================== Kraftwerk cancelled themselves, not Milarepa. Kraftwerk couldn't move all their equipment down and set it up for a 20 minute set. Kraftwerk tours with robots, etc. =================== A couple of weeks earlier, they had more than a 20 minute set. At the last minute, they had everything switched on them, and after seeing Milarepa's mismanagement I cannot blame them for pulling out =================== >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: (kw) Reuters K review (NYC) Short review, spot the factual errors! :) I got to it with: Thanks, CRZ PS If this has been previously posted, I apologise. Hard to keep up with the current volume! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM DplusH@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Kraftwerk: > In the hopes that you or someone you are affiliated with is reading this > page. I propose for your next project an interactive CD ROM. I think it > would be great to have your videos, interviews, concert appearances, a tour of > your studio, as well as your new music all on a CD-ROM. It could be lots of > fun for you guys and a great opportunity to cash in................. > > thanks: David in Chicago What we need from KW is a DVD-ROM (much more data on the disK) and/or a regular DVD of KW LIVE (much more video resolution than a videocassette). IMHO, nothing less is worth KW's time and their loyal fans's scrutiny! == Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:27:57 -0400 From: altrnote@sprynet.com (Joe Schepis) Subject: (kw) Miracle on 34th Street (NYC Review) (long) Here's another take on the NYC concert. Sorry if it's a little long. Miracle on 34th Street For most of us, it's a very rare day indeed when you wake up and realize you will see Kraftwerk perform in concert sometime before the day is through. Thanks to a whirlwind US tour, many of us have had such mornings for the past two weeks. My morning was Saturday. My girlfriend and I had floor tickets for the New York City performance at the Hammerstein Ballroom (on 34th Street). I had nothing else planned for this day, as we were driving a good distance to a train station and then taking a train into NY City. I wanted to arrive early to the venue for a variety of reasons. At Tribal Gathering I learned that while waiting all day by a deserted metal railing can be a dull way to spend seven hours, it does lead to certain payoffs at the conclusion of those hours. Of course when I saw Kraftwerk in NY City in 1981, it was pretty much my first concert and I was not wise to the way things worked. Thus my view then was pretty modest. A monstrous rain storm passed through the area, causing me to leave late and to battle a lot of traffic to get to the train. Then we found the trains were running 20 minutes late. But we managed to get to the Hammerstein by around 5 PM. I expected a significant line to be formed by then but there were only about eight of us there. I went inside and met the manager for the venue, and we got to chatting about the band and the concert. He knew of Kraftwerk but was not very familiar with their music. He told me he was there when "they" walked in, his expression turning to one of paranoia, illustrating their expressions no doubt. He said one of them had the backstage and press passes clasped tightly with both hands. We went outside to wait on the meager line, but I decided to walk around the block to see if I could find the stage doors and if anyone was around. Directly opposite the main entrance on the next street over was a small metal door with a metal ramp leading down from inside. Parked outside was a moderately large unmarked freight truck with Ohio plates. Behind this was a certain tan colored power generator, which had been spotted at previous concerts I read about on this list. So this was Kraftwerk's kraftwerk. How appropriate. I wanted to strike up a conversation with the men waiting outside the door since I knew some of the crew members were reasonably approachable. As a sort of ice breaker, I asked if they knew how to get into the theater. I first posed this to a large man wearing a black t-shirt with the robot logo on the front and "Technik" on the back. He only gestured to the other gentleman, who answered us. However this was the man who drove the truck and was not a long time associate of the band. Our conversation ended I realized he could provide no exciting insight. When I got back to the front doors I could hear music faintly from within. I met the manager in the lobby again and asked if they were doing the soundcheck and that if it wasn't too much trouble could I peek inside for just a few seconds? He agreed to this, and we walked to the doors leading into the theater. Inside I saw the stage set, with Ralf standing at his keyboard playing (and singing) Autobahn. The video screens were lit with a static graphic of "KGB" from the Computer World sequence. It was hard to see a lot from where we watched, but it was cool indeed to see a Kraftwerk soundcheck especially given the reports of strict security at the other venues while such soundchecking was in progress. The timing for this was good, as soon after I went back to stand on line, the security people for the venue had arrived, and they made us move along the building and stand behind railings. By 6 PM the line was starting to grow and was about 40 feet long. I didn't keep track much after that. We heard more music from outside, this time at much louder volume of course. While on line I was making idle conversation with the fellow die-hard fans that had arrived so early. I expected some of us from this mail list would be in attendance but the only way to tell was to ask. I did meet Roger from Montreal, who joined the list a while back. He was waiting for friends and it was great to pass the time talking about Kraftwerk and the mail list and such. Eventually the hours passed and just before 8 PM they let us file into the theater. Security was moderate. They just looked inside my jacket but I had no contraband. My girlfriend got in unscanned. (Tip for tapers: let the ladies smuggle your recorders :^) We filed in and due to our early arrival we found a spot at the front of the stage. I had wanted to stand near Ralf this time since I was in front of Florian at Tribal last year. It was divine intervention perhaps but the only spot left at the rail was in front of Ralf. I clung to the black metal barricade with anticipation. The crowd was excellent. Everyone was smiling and talking and even as the concert progressed no one pushed or made loud noises. The interlude music began, quietly at first, just as it had in 1981. This gave way to the vocoded introduction. The miracle was to begin. Since much of the factual details of the NYC concert have already been posted, I will focus on my observations. I thought the concert was flawless. I need no video or audio reminder of how this two hour performance impressed me. It would only pale in comparison to having experienced it. As always, there was just the right amount of variety in the performances that it didn't sound like the same thing over again. I was mostly looking forward to The Man Machine and the Antherwellen tracks. I slightly preferred the version of The Man Machine at Tribal Gathering than this version, but only slightly. What was the best two minute eternity of the whole show, however, was Ralf singing Antherwellen. There was a certain vocoder-like sound following Ralf's live vocals, remarkable given that the vocoder is traditionally Florian's domain. It was a light, distinct effect on his voice. And Ralf sung the words in perfect tune, in German and English alternately. A bluish light from above lit his face as he looked out to the audience, giving an almost spiritual quality to this moment. He licked his lips and blinked slowly between the phrases. The words left his lips with all the precision of things Kraftwerk. It was only him and I for those two minutes. I very much enjoyed watching Ralf. He doesn't look down at the front row very often, preferring to look out to the whole audience. He is concentrating a great deal on the operation of his equipment as well, and the pedals are used artfully (he presses the sustain pedal with his heel, btw.) Ralf's lips were silent when we heard him count off the intro for The Model. It seemed like the audience enjoyed this song a lot. My girlfriend most liked this one, and she asked if it was new, having never heard it before. "Twenty years old," I said into her right ear, amazing even myself at that statistic. I have to play her some more older albums. One song passed into another and the band werked their kraft to our delight. Before I knew, Trans Europe Express had ended, and the curtain difficulties began on cue. I saw growing nervousness in Ralf's eyes as he held the last notes of the song until the curtain eventually was closed manually. The encores went on equally well. Pocket Calculator was its usual treat, and the new Tribal song was showing signs of improvement since the concert for which it was named. I must add my name to those who feel the new songs are not quite finished. They have not yet added that certain charm or flair which makes the song so uniquely theirs. But I believe they soon will. The solos during Music Non Stop meant the final curtain was soon approaching. As it closed, the words Music... Nonstop... kept repeating for quite some time as the audience got up. It was a nice effect, sort of a mantra for going outside to the rainy streets with memories of the concert in your head. We left the theater and I said goodbye to the theater manager and others I had met on line. It was raining lightly and we went to get a bite to eat nearby. But it was not terribly late and the trains would be running all night, so we went back to the stage door to see if we could see anyone from the band or crew. It was nearly an hour since the show ended, and before long an assortment of black road cases with the words 'Kraftwerk', 'Heavy' and 'Fragile' were being rolled into the streets. I even find their road cases fascinating, so we waited on the sidewalk as the crew members rolled the various cases into the waiting freight truck. There was a bicycle on the truck, and though I could not tell if it was a good one like the band members might use, I had to presume it to be one of theirs. There were about a dozen or so fans on the street, most of them quite young, waiting to see who they could see. I never would have waited by the stage door expecting to meet the band, but after the stories on this list about how reasonably accessible they are about signing things and chatting, I had to give it a try. It was a little surreal waiting there past 1 AM, with Klingklang all boxed up on a rainy, otherwise deserted Manhattan street. The time ticked on and we eager fans were growing tired. Several of the others left. I was contemplating doing the same when Florian made a brief appearance in the doorway. He was wearing a white rain slicker with the hood up, but we all recognized him immediately. Some of the fans shouted his name, but I think he got scared and disappeared again inside. We waited some more, and this time Fritz Hilpert came walking out with a silver attaché case in hand. He stopped and looked at me (I was standing pretty much by myself) and I waved to him to indicate my recognition. He did a sort of double-take, not knowing why people would be there on the street, and further, waving to him. He too disappeared inside. I was beginning to get disgruntled with their reclusive behavior on this night, but once again Fritz came out and hopped up onto the truck to talk to one of the crew. I wasn't sure if anyone knew who he was, so I walked to the truck so if he walked by I could speak with him. He eventually walked by and myself and the remaining collection of fans had an impromptu press conference. We asked for autographs and he shook our hands. He was very personable and friendly. This encounter has been described in a previous post, but generally we spoke for a few minutes and he signed my ticket (I didn't want to bring any CD booklets out in the rain!). We asked if any other members were inside and he said Ralf was still there but two others had left (which meant Henning and Florian). They must have gone out the front doors. I would have stayed longer but I could not be sure Ralf would ever come out to talk to us, and it was growing quite late. I was more than happy to meet Fritz and it was sort of a bonus after such an engaging evening. With that my girlfriend and I made our way back to the train station to head home and discuss all we had seen and heard. Music... Nonstop... Joe Schepis altrnote@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:39:16 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Possible reasons for the cancelled Washington appearance On 17-Jun-98, Scramjet1@aol.com wrote: >Who organized the appearance? >Groups typically tour with "riders." These documents list their requirements >for performances. >The bulkiness of the Kraftwerk show is something that could have been >ascertained months in advance. >I don't understand this apparent chain of events. As far as I can figure, KW got nervous about the physical conditions under which they would be playing, and the management agreed-- or vice-versa. If I were Ralf or Florian, I would be nervous about playing under a tent in stormy weather with all that electronic equipment. Remember that Kling Klang has to last for two more gigs! I think they were expecting the weather to be nicer (as were a lot of us), and just found that they were 'rained out'... - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:47:05 +0200 From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM On 17-Jun-98 A.D., R. D. carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM": > What we need from KW is a DVD-ROM (much more data on the disK) and/or > a regular DVD of KW LIVE (much more video resolution than a > videocassette). IMHO, nothing less is worth KW's time and their loyal > fans's scrutiny! Right! And no platform-specific garbage! (unless the platform in question is a VIC-20 or ZX Spectrum in true KW retro style...) - -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:10:19 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Miracle on 34th Street (NYC Review) (long) On 17-Jun-98, Joe Schepis wrote: >Here's another take on the NYC concert. Sorry if it's a little long. It's great! >A monstrous rain storm passed through the area, causing me to leave >late and to battle a lot of traffic to get to the train. It was still a bit rainy at the time of the show , which may have been one reason why the secury was so lax. >The encores went on equally well. Pocket Calculator was its usual >treat, and the new Tribal song was showing signs of improvement since >the concert for which it was named. I must add my name to those who >feel the new songs are not quite finished. They have not yet added >that certain charm or flair which makes the song so uniquely theirs. I think it's partly because the songs aren't about anything in particular. The simple act of naming a song can make a big difference. >be running all night, so we went back to the stage door to see if we >could see anyone from the band or crew. It was nearly an hour since >the show ended, and before long an assortment of black road cases with >the words 'Kraftwerk', 'Heavy' and 'Fragile' were being rolled into the >streets. My friends and I cut through the parking lot after the show to avoid the crowd and only realized afterward that we had just walked past KW's truck! But we desperately had to catch a bus (next time I'm going by myself) and couldn't wait for KW to show up.... AAArrrrgghhh... Just wait! 1999, here we come! And I'm gonna bring a tape recorder this time! Yeah, right. - -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:00:34 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album "Electric Café" bar-none. Still the most mind-boggling thing I've ever heard. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:54:07 +0200 From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: (kw) Roskilde, a tip As I understand it, the two DJ's Kruder&Dorfmeister from Austria, who also have released some fantastic music, are going to spinn at Roskilde. Don't miss them coss' it'll be a treat for sure. Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:48:23 +0200 From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: (kw) Komputer concert at Vega I found this in in my paper, Sydsvenska Dagbladet, this morning. "The humoristic synthband Komputer have with short notice been booked for a concert at Vega in Kopenhagen this Saturday (20 June). It is going to be the first of two guest appearances at the same place. Komputer will be back for a second concert the 3 of September" Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 98 08:02:56 +0000 From: Subject: (kw) New songs - -Hi, Werkers! Well, I've read a lot of messages saying that new songs don't have the quality of the old ones, specially because they are so much average. I took a sample from 'Tribal' months ago, and had the same opinion when heard it. We know that if Kraftwerk are who they are is just because they've always been themselves, completely out of modes. Their music has always had a strong personality. So now we could be decepcioned with the new material. But we have to understand they are completely free to make the music as they want. If they feel they have to develop disco standard music, they will. We are also free to like it or not. That's why I don't feel I'm a fan of anybody. I understood it when Depeche Mode released 'Songs of Faith and Devotion'. Who on Earth could have thought they would enjoy playing a lot of guitars and acoustic drums? I didn't buy that album. I understood I couldn't like everything a group does. I prefer to have independent opinions about things, to think for myself instead of letting anybody think for me. I feel more free. I feel myself, as Kraftwerk have always been. They've been themselves. I still consider Kraftwerk as the best group of the world, but of course, if I don't like the new material won't buy it. And of course, if I like it I'll buy it the first day that it was available. - ----Karmelake-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:33:16 +0100 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Adam Schefflan wrote: > > "Electric Café" bar-none. Still the most mind-boggling thing I've ever > heard. Peace. Yeah! We must be a rare breed adam ...... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:41:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Emanuel Mair wrote: > On 17-Jun-98 A.D., R. D. carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) > Kraftwerk CD-ROM": > > What we need from KW is a DVD-ROM (much more data on the disK) and/or > > a regular DVD of KW LIVE (much more video resolution than a > > videocassette). IMHO, nothing less is worth KW's time and their loyal > > fans's scrutiny! In HDTV format, no less, with auxiliary audio tracks of each band member describing what they were thinking and feeling during the concert. > Right! And no platform-specific garbage! (unless the platform in question > is a VIC-20 or ZX Spectrum in true KW retro style...) You can get a DVD-ROM player for the VIC-20? Wow, and I thought I had all the VIC-20 stuff. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:50:52 +0200 From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) Komputer concert at Vega >I found this in in my paper, Sydsvenska Dagbladet, this morning. > >"The humoristic synthband Komputer have with short notice been booked >for a concert at Vega in Kopenhagen this Saturday (20 June). It is going >to be the first of two guest appearances at the same place. Komputer >will be back for a second concert the 3 of September" www.vega.dk has this info: Saturday 20th June 22.00 Boing Boom Tchack Komputer Live The Kraftwerk mix Bjorn Svin version DJ Kruz'em Music non-stop...Technopop Lars # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:17:41 +0000 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) BBC Radiophonic Workshop Well, SSR and Paulo, I get you both very well on the matter of western composers (Bela Bartok, Carl Orff, etc.) exploring various folk musics. But actually, when mentioning the overlapping of both universes (contemporary music on one side, and popular music on the other side), I was viewing it the other way around : is there any other example in western music of popular music beeing influenced by serious / avant garde composers ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:26:19 +0100 From: David Power Subject: Re: (kw) BBC Radiophonic Workshop At 13:17 17/06/98 +0000, jbv wrote: > >Well, SSR and Paulo, I get you both very well on the matter of western >composers (Bela Bartok, Carl Orff, etc.) exploring various folk musics. > >But actually, when mentioning the overlapping of both universes >(contemporary music on one side, and popular music on the other side), >I was viewing it the other way around : is there any other example in >western music of popular music beeing influenced by serious / avant >garde composers ? > >jbv > Well, I suppose you could count the Beatles among composers of werstern popular music ;-) Seriously, though, Paul McCartney (and John Lennon, although much later) seems to have been very influenced by a lot of the serious/ avant garde composers. As far as I can gather from the "Official" biog. (Many Years from Now), he tended to use these in a subtle way, but there are numberous examples in the Beatles work, especially during the Revolver/Sgt. Pepper period. E.g. the randomly tuned radios in I Am The Walrus, the use of sound collage in Good Morning Good Morning and the tape loops in Tomorrow Never Knows. Just my 2 pence worth :-) Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:38:51 +0200 From: "Peder Schubertsson" Subject: (kw) New to the list and Roskilde! Hi all! My name is Peder Schubertsson, and I'm new to the list, though I have read it for 2 years! My question is: Shall we try to make a meeting at Roskilde (or are there already one schedueld?) And Does anyone know of anything more interesting at Roskilde besides KW? Best regards, Peder Schubertsson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:43:42 +0100 From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Media Center Hi Everyone, What has happened to that brilliant Kraftwerk Graphic site? Has it moved to a different address or is it gone forever :( ? Please help. Best Wishes, Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:49:19 +0200 From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: RE: (kw) Hi again > HEE HEE!! Very good one! Its true to a point! > I've been playing the drums myself for 4 years ... I know what I'm talking about :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:13:54 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Miracle on 34th Street (NYC Review) (long) On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:10:19 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: > Just wait! 1999, here we >come! And >I'm gonna bring a tape recorder this time! > hope you do...best part of the whole experience.... tom w sp: kw in nyc 6/13/98 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:38:28 +0200 From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM On 17-Jun-98 A.D., Ra carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk CD-ROM": > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Emanuel Mair wrote: > >> On 17-Jun-98 A.D., R. D. carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) >> Kraftwerk CD-ROM": >>> What we need from KW is a DVD-ROM (much more data on the disK) and/or >>> a regular DVD of KW LIVE (much more video resolution than a >>> videocassette). IMHO, nothing less is worth KW's time and their loyal >>> fans's scrutiny! > > In HDTV format, no less, with auxiliary audio tracks of each band > member describing what they were thinking and feeling during the > concert. Audio tracks? An EEG or PET-scan recording more like it! >> Right! And no platform-specific garbage! (unless the platform in >> question is a VIC-20 or ZX Spectrum in true KW retro style...) > > You can get a DVD-ROM player for the VIC-20? Wow, and I thought I had > all the VIC-20 stuff. :) That's why the album has been 12 years in production, they have been developing a DVD-ROM player for the VIC which will accompany the album. - -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:00:42 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Miracle on 34th Street (NYC Review) (long) > I slightly preferred the version of The Man Machine at Tribal > Gathering than this version, but only slightly. What's the difference between these two versions? > What was the best two minute eternity of the whole show, however, was > Ralf singing Antherwellen. Are you sure that he was really singing this part? At the 1997 concerts it sounded like playback. > Ralf sung the words in perfect tune, Further indication that it was playback. ;-) Thanks for any comments, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:06:35 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) The new Kraftwerk book Some more details about the forthcoming new Kraftwerk book, taken from the Medium mailorder catalogue: Title: "Kraftwerk" Author: Tim Barr Type: Biography Release date: End of July German import price: DM 36,00 Further details: paperback, register, discography, 230 pages, 25 pictures Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:02:59 +0100 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Miracle on 34th Street (NYC Review) (long) >> What was the best two minute eternity of the whole show, however, was >> Ralf singing Antherwellen. > >Are you sure that he was really singing this part? At the 1997 concerts it >sounded like playback. > Well he sang the words at the LA gig, and he sang in German as he did quite a bit during the whole LA gig. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:37:15 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New LP Bootleg? Does anyone know any details about a Kraftwerk bootleg LP with the "catalogue number" MOX MUSIC:MODEM3 ? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:43:37 +0200 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) Best album / "Tribal" Hello KW-Fans ! - -best album: I´m sorry ! I cannot follow the discussion about best KW-album and KW-title. I cannot decide, which KW-album/title is the best. IMHO each KW-album/title is the best at all and no 1. anybody agree or disagree ? - -"Tribal": IMHO the title "Tribal" is more fit for the 2nd ZKM-Song. It sounds more like tribal-music than the Luton-Song. (Mind the nativ drumsounds between the basedrum-sounds and the synth-vocal intro). anybody agree or disagree ? Thank you ! Gubbolf P.S.:The title "Airwave(Tango)" is really funny, isn´t it ? This is fit for it ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:09:29 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Official Tour Set List > *OFFICIAL SET LIST with official song titles* > > ... > 06) MODEL > 07) AIRWAVE(TANGO) > 08) SELLAFIELD > 09) RADIOACTIVITY > 10) TEE > ----------------ENCORE--------------- > 11) TASCHENRECHNER > ----------------ENCORE--------------- how official it is? strange that 11 is only Taschenrechner and not DENTAKU as well (especially for the Japanese gig set list) TRIBAL is a kind of working name just because of its premiere at TG97 but all 3 new songs IMHO have similitudes with Airwaves (few notes in the melody are rather the same, slightly permuted...) Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI |___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #141 *******************************