From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #198 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 198 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:31:18 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk > At 2:59 pm +0200 14/9/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, > >in which they talk about Kraftwerk: > > >"Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply > >looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. > >We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is > >indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" And Kevin Busby wrote: > WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. > > Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. Jules Seifert wrote: > well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel > imposters! > > man should only worship the true image! Maybe does Komputer ask for to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained obsolete nothing else to be born. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:53:07 EDT From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs The sounds in question are clearly analogue synths. German Autobahns invariably sound more MURDEROUS than KW ever could. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live > America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, Kometenmelodie 1 + 2. 2 starts at about 4:30 into the track. As opposed to KW 2, which I bought at the same time just now, and which is, well, rather strange, this live CD is quite entertaining, vernuenftig, aber gediegen :) What are the chances that Ralf und Florian are really releasing these 'bootlegs' little by little and having a grand old time watching people scramble and overpay wildly to get these occasional tidbits? (I certainly would if I was them >:) - -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:53:00 +0100 From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft update Hi, New updates from the 1981 tour are; =A0 Radioactivity The Voice of Energy Uranium Die Sonne, Die Monde, Die Sterne=A0 Ohm Sweet Ohm. =A0 Enjoy, and thanks for the support! =A0 Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:50:48 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) > "Ich blick da nicht durch" - as Wolfgang (?) says when he can't unscramble=20 > his > cables on the drum pads. What is the meaning of "Ich blick da nicht durch"? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: KL Subject: (kw) re: non KW - almost Greetings all: 2 more test songs for a future release are now available via mono real audio on my website along with the entire new album "Technik" dedicated to Ralf & Florian. contact me directly if interested in a CD copy... If you DJ on radio or in a club, please contact me with your information, if you enjoy what you hear... Thank you, KL http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com == http://www.kevinlux.simplenet.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:29:33 +0200 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) KW interviews Nicolau Centola wrote: >I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Please, under which point on the map can Ralf´s speaks be found ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:31:55 +0200 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang (concert classics) Word by word: "I can not look through that" Better english(?): "I don't fully understand that" /Joakim - -----Original Message----- What is the meaning of "Ich blick da nicht durch"? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:17 -0400 From: ICalder Subject: (kw) Review of 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)' book It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any recent digests, so here is some brief info on the new biography of Kraftwerk by Tim Barr, 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)'. The introductory section dwells upon Kraftwerk's significance within the wider scope of the pop music history of the last half-century or so. In general, the book does lean towards the significance of Kraftwerk's influence upon dance music cultur= e in particular, primarily the American hip-hop, electro and techno movements. This is certainly more robustly covered than in Pascal Bussy's= tome, though as Barr is currently the editor of 'Future Music' magazine a= nd has written extensively on the dance music genre in general, it should be= no surprise perhaps. The following chapter also deals with the band's appearance at last year's 'Tribal gathering' event in some detail, placin= g into perspective the length of time (a matter of years) that the events promoters had attempted to persuade Kraftwerk to partake in a live appearance. = As has been pointed out in reviews in the music press (principally in 'Th= e Wire' and 'Mojo' magazines) Barr has had no access to Huetter or Schneide= r themselves so there is no new material from either source. There is new interview material from Wolfgang Fluer (much already printed in the 'Futu= re Music' article from a few months back). There is certainly an extensive recollection from Fluer of Kraftwerk's stay in India during1981 for their= concerts in Bombay that is an entertaining insight into the dubious succe= ss of that particular venture. Interview material with Karl Bartos is also present, which appeared earlier this year in the extensive 'Sound On Soun= d' interview. = Similar to the 'Man, Machine and Music' book, there is a small selection = of black and white photographs included as plates within the centre of the book. A number of these were published in colour in the issue of 'Future Music' referred to previously. Yet more are unreleased. It's a nice littl= e selection actually. Fluer is pictured outside the entrance of the Kraftwe= rk communal home from the early 70s-1981 at 9 Bergerallee, Duesseldorf. Significantly, a number of the previously unpublished photos are from Wolfgang Fluer's own private collection, including one of himself, Huette= r and Schneider and their (then) US manager Ira Blacker (of Mr. I Mouse Management) pictured in jovial circumstances while dining at a New York restaurant, early 1975. = There's quite an amusing anecdote regarding some flash bit of musical kit= that Kraftwerk were interested in purchasing (I don't have the details to= hand at present though). Apparently Florian Schneider had the nerve to as= k for a discount mentioning that "after all we are Kraftwerk". I can look o= ut the complete section if anyone is interested, it's an amusing diversion. There are also portions that were originally featured in Aktivitaet fanzine, principally the transcript of a 1991 interview with Ralf Huetter= originally printed in KLEM magazine. As noted in the previous reviews, there is no access to Kraftwerk themselves so hard and fast information on what exactly lies ahead is absent, save for guesswork. As for the books availability, I can certainly vouch that Waterstone's in= Guildford had two copies. That's down to one now however. :-) = Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:38:51 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and China? Fredrik Fällman wrote: > PS. Kraftwerk were referred to as "the lads" by members of OMD in the > 1980's when the groups met for the first time - read "Messages", the OMD > biography if you haven't yet. Does anyone know how to get -on Internet- this OMD's biography? >(I recently got married, changed name and e-mail). Congratulations! I hope you will be happy! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:38:35 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Another Depeche Mode - Kraftwerk reference, found in The Guardian, > 04.09.1998: > > [...] > "The media won't help us," Gore moans later. [...] > "They're just more respectful in Europe," adds Fletcher, whose Kraftwerk > T-shirt pays homage to the band that inspired him to form Depeche Mode > back in 1980 with Basildon schoolmates Gore, Gahan and Vince "now of > Erasure" Clarke. > [...] What T-shirt do you refer? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live > America in 1975 (Autobahn Tour). And it contains Komentenmelodie 1, Kometenmelodie 1 + 2. 2 starts at about 4:30 into the track. As opposed to KW 2, which I bought at the same time just now, and which is, well, rather strange, this live CD is quite entertaining, vernuenftig, aber gediegen :) What are the chances that Ralf und Florian are really releasing these 'bootlegs' little by little and having a grand old time watching people scramble and overpay wildly to get these occasional tidbits? (I certainly would if I was them >:) - -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:43:09 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: Re: (kw) Depeche Mode does Kraftwerk On "The Model" it merge all the techno-pop stereotypes granted with exuberance by spurious descendants like Depeche Mode (David Gahan, Martin L. Gore, Andy Fletcher) -from Basildon, Essex- in general, and the ex-member Alan Wilder (now in Recoil) in particular, they said to be influenced by KRAFTWERK, mainly in their early years. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:31:18 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk > At 2:59 pm +0200 14/9/98, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >The current issue of Debug features an interview with Komputer, > >in which they talk about Kraftwerk: > > >"Why is Komputer spelled with a K? A Hommage to Kraftwerk? 'It simply > >looks nicer', says David. [...] 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk. > >We don't copy them, they're too lazy. One album in ten years is > >indiscutable. But maybe we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" And Kevin Busby wrote: > WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. > > Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. Jules Seifert wrote: > well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel > imposters! > > man should only worship the true image! Maybe does Komputer ask for to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained obsolete nothing else to be born. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:35:33 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent (was: (kw) sheet muzik)) > > > Mr. I. Mouse is the company of Kraftwerk's (former?) US agent. > > > > I thought Kraftwerk have not (and hadn't) any manager or agent > > ever. > > Check the credits on the cover of the "Trans Europe Express" album > (US edition). Thanks for the info. But unfortunately I have not this album edition. :,-( DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:39:56 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments I wrote: > > According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop > > several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Where exactly on the DOEPFER website did you read this? AFAIK, there > is only one DOEPFER modular synthesizer, so how can they pretend > that Kraftwerk helped to develop "several"? > And I think that DOEPFER is only stating that Kraftwerk helped to > develop *one* module of the system (the Vocoder module), and not the > system itself. > Similarily, Kraftwerk helped to develop *one* analogue sequencer (the > DOEPFER MAQ 16/3), and not "several". > I read in Future Music num.17 (Spanish editing). Perhaps the information is mistaken, this is habitual in this magazine. :-! KRAFTWERK have been involved to some extent in the design of an Analogue/MIDI Sequencer, the MAQ 16/3 by Doepfer, in which press anouncement it's can read "designed in cooperation with the German band Kraftwerk". The Company were responsible for the construction of Ralf's mini keyboard, as used during the live renditions of "Pocket Calculator", and other items, amongst which is a MOGLI MIDI glove, which was debuted by the band at the Linz concert. It can be added that the German music press reports that there has been some futher, though undetailed, KRAFTWERK involvement in another new Doepfer instrument, el MS 404. As well as a short favourable review on page 45 of the magazine, Florian Schneider has also contributed a recording made with the equipment which is featured on the CD that accompanies the magazine. The "vocoder poem" tone itself is rather lyrical and easily comparable to the style you would find on the "Radioactivity" LP. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:53:07 EDT From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs The sounds in question are clearly analogue synths. German Autobahns invariably sound more MURDEROUS than KW ever could. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:51 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Jean-Michel Jarre cumplió medio siglo de vida, y este cumpleaños coincidió con la celebración de la cuarta convención sobre el músico en UK. El certamen JarreCon'98, que tuvo lugar en Manchester el domingo 23 de agosto, fue organizado por Natural Image Productions, que ya se encargó de organizar las tres anteriores convenciones. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:27:48 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics What do you write (Wolfgang?) and (Karl's?)? I think they are really in this performance. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:35:29 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs DER AUTOMAT ® - ---------- > De: Der Automat > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs CHECK > Fecha: martes 15 de septiembre de 1998 12:59 > > >Autobahn's chords deliciously "schweeiiooiing, swchwing, swching, swhing". :-) OK. That's great! I love it! It is a very good onomatopaeia superb for Autobahn. That is OK. I hope you won't take offence. ;-) OTOH, somebody said sometimes that those sounds were recorded by KW directly of the noises of a trip by a freeway? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:29:33 +0200 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) KW interviews Nicolau Centola wrote: >I translated Ralf's speaks and put them at my page: > >http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html Please, under which point on the map can Ralf´s speaks be found ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:20:21 -0600 From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Non Kraftwerk (Faithless) Its actually a live studio recording and not a new cut Yes, I know.....but is a new release as a promo stateside (numerous remixes) and number two on US Billboard and with bullets on other dance charts. >> DJFRANKX >> http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 8:58:36 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday VAD FAN PRATAR DU OM? ___________________________________________________________________________= ____ _ Fr=E5n: automat@nexo=2Ees tor 17 sep 1998 08=2E51 Ang=E5ende: (kw) (off topic) JMJ birthday Till: Allers, Johan Andersson; kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom Bilagor: ENVELOPE=2ETXT - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Jean-Michel Jarre cumpli=F3 medio siglo de vida, y este cumplea=F1os coinci= di=F3 con la celebraci=F3n de la cuarta convenci=F3n sobre el m=FAsico en UK=2E E= l certamen JarreCon'98, que tuvo lugar en Manchester el domingo 23 de agosto, fue organizado por Natural Image Productions, que ya se encarg=F3 de organizar las tres anteriores convenciones=2E DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom=2E # To post, email kraftwerk@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom; replies go to original s= ender=2E # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web=2Ebham=2Eac=2Euk/busbykg/kraftw= erk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:20:10 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's New Forum Hi Werkers, I've created a Kraftwerk's Forum (or Message Board) here: http://apps.vantagenet.com/aforums/thread2.asp?id=1998916131159 It has many features and it's for FREE. You can use it to discuss anything about Kraftwerk. It is very easy to use and you can include HTML code inside the messages, which means that you can post links, images or whatever you imagine inside the messages. It also can notify automatically anybody by email if there is any response to her/his message. I'm offering myself to maintain the site for free (well, it has minimum maintenance anyway). We only will have to "suffer" some advertisements on the header of the page, but that's all. I've customized the page to a nice "radioactive" look, i hope you like it. cya, - -Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:37:36 +0200 From: Erik Knain Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk I think, from the recent comments, that Komputer is seriously misunderstood. First, it is obvious for all that they have stolen the whole concept from Kraftwerk; that is, the sound, the album concept (the music is created in "the lab"), the artwork, and the titles. (Next Sunday I will attent a concert in Oslo to see their stage appearance.) So, since the origion of their concept is so obvious, their comment that 'It has nothing to do with Kraftwerk' cannot be taken seriously; I think they are joking. Furthermore; their pastiche of Kraftwerk is very well done. I really like their record, especially 'Valentina' and 'The perfect pop band'. It is melodic and it is intelligent use of Kraftwerk's sounds. I see the record as a tribute to Kraftwerk, not a mockery. Erik At 15:31 16.09.98 +0200, Der Automat wrote: > we're working on a similar idea.' [...]" > >And Kevin Busby wrote: > >> WHAT?! These clowns are beginning to annoy me. >> >> Next they'll be accusing Kraftwerk of plagiarising _them_! > >Ha, ha! Yes. I agree with you. > >Jules Seifert wrote: >> well said kev, it's about time somebody made comment on these infidel >> imposters! >> >> man should only worship the true image! > >Maybe does Komputer ask for >to be sued for plagiarism?! I think the Komputer's music has remained >obsolete nothing else to be born. > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERPOLUNDDEUTSCHEBANKFBIUNDSCOTLANDYARDFINANZAMTUNDDASBKAHABENUNSEREDATENDA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:29:15 -0300 From: tg97 Subject: (kw) I got the ticket! Tickets for Kraftwerk concerts in Brazil are available!! See my page to more info: http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html You can see a scan of Sao Paulo ticket too... They sold about 500 tickets from 4000 in one and half hour... peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:38:37 -0300 From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Yamo 12" single Today I bought a Yamo 12"single A Guiding Ray (bionaut rmx) 4:25 Guiding Ray (original) 7:26 B dr. ug. ly (club mix) 5:22 Naked Japanese (original) 4:33 Stereomatic (bionaut rmx) 4:35 Mosquito (s. baltes mix) 3:40 Produced by W. Fl=FCr, Andy Thoma, Jan Werner & Michael Grund Music by W. Fl=FCr, Andy Thoma, Jan Werner & Michael Grund Words by W. Fl=FCr except Guiding Ray by Fl=DAr/Wilkinson and Stereomatic additional lyrics by Donna regina 1997 EMI Electrola GmbH 24388 46696 Nice remixes... Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:42:43 -0300 From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Yamo 12"single 2 Ops, sorry... the name of the Yamo single is Musica Obscura... Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:21:29 +0100 From: Paul Bryant Subject: (kw) CAN If you're interested..... Suggested Can albums for your delectation (In Chronological Order) Soundtracks Tago Mago Ege Bamyasi Future Days Paul ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its contents by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender and dispose of this email as soon as possible. If in doubt contact the Tibbett & Britten Group Network Administration Department on 01707 391010 (UK). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:32:46 +0100 (BST) From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Classics Live On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Erik Knain wrote: > > Is the third song really Kling Klang? I know that someone (Hutter) says > something about "Kling Klang spielen" in the previous (facinating) > in-between, but the song sounds like a version of Kristallo from "Ralph & > Florian" to me. As with many early Kraftwerk pieces, Kling Klang is more of a framework for improvisation rather than a "song" with a definate chord progression, formal AABABB... structure, etc. So, it's not surprising that 3 years later, with a different line-up, it sounds a lot different to the version Ralf/Florian/Conny Plank recorded in the studio. They do both start in the same key, you'll note, however. In the same way, "Truckstop Gondelero", aka "Vor dem Blauen Bock", is really just a live version of "Stratovarious". I mean, a score for this piece wouldn't go verse | C | Dm | F | G | chorus|: Em | Em \ Bm| Bm :| or whatever, it would be more like 'Do some strange up & down sound effects Everyone noodle along in a Mixolydian mode in G, starting slow then getting faster & faster till you blow up ...repeat for as long as the audience will let you get away with...' DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:36:49 +0100 (BST) From: David Davis Subject: Re: RV: (kw) question: Sound quality of bootlegs On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > OTOH, somebody said sometimes that those sounds were recorded by KW > directly of the noises of a trip by a freeway? Well, that person must be rather charmingly naive ;-) They sound distinctly like Ralf & Florian playing the chords on a Farfisa organ, and ARP Odyssey (duophonic... or is it a miniMoog with the oscillators tuned a third apart?), and slapping it through a phaser. I doubt very much ever nice Volkswagens & Mercedes engined on the Autobahn manage to make sounds *quite* that tuneful... ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:48:12 +0100 (BST) From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) concert classics On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Der Automat wrote: > What do you write (Wolfgang?) and (Karl's?)? > I think they are really in this performance. Yes, they are most definately there (not Klaus Roeder)... I just meant I wasn't sure which one was speaking DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:45:47 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: RE: (kw) Komputer on Kraftwerk At 9:37 am +0200 17/9/98, Erik Knain wrote: >I think, from the recent comments, that Komputer is seriously misunderstood. > >First, it is obvious for all that they have stolen the whole concept from >Kraftwerk; that is, the sound, the album concept (the music is created in >"the lab"), the artwork, and the titles. (Next Sunday I will attent a >concert in Oslo to see their stage appearance.) So, since the origion of >their concept is so obvious, their comment that 'It has nothing to do with >Kraftwerk' cannot be taken seriously; I think they are joking. True, copying "the sound, the album concept, the artwork and the titles" indicates this. But if they have to copy the melodies as well, who is the joke on? >Furthermore; their pastiche of Kraftwerk is very well done. I really like >their record, especially 'Valentina' and 'The perfect pop band'. It is >melodic and it is intelligent use of Kraftwerk's sounds. I see the record >as a tribute to Kraftwerk, not a mockery. Sure, so do I. But, IMAO, it's often a very unimaginative tribute. My rant at Komputer was tongue-in-cheek, I've nothing against them (other than descrating 'Neon Lights'! :-) ). I just wish they were a bit more entertaining - musically, and in their answers to interview questions. It would have been more amusing if they _had_ accused Kraftwerk of ripping them off. Or if they'd denied ever having heard them (although a lot of techno artists have tried this line, I suppose...). Personally I hear talent being wasted, probably due to laziness.* No offence intended, Erik; hope the concert goes well. Kevin * PS Aha! Now I understand Komputer's parody. :-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:56:39 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Review of 'From Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)' book At 4:38 pm -0400 16/9/98, ICalder wrote: >It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any recent digests, so here is >some brief info on the new biography of Kraftwerk by Tim Barr, 'From >Duesseldorf to the Future (With Love)'. The subject has come up in passing a couple of times (& even gets a brief mention in the FAQ now) but not in detail, so thanks for the information. >There's quite an amusing anecdote regarding some flash bit of musical kit >that Kraftwerk were interested in purchasing (I don't have the details to >hand at present though). Apparently Florian Schneider had the nerve to ask >for a discount mentioning that "after all we are Kraftwerk". I can look out >the complete section if anyone is interested, it's an amusing diversion. Imagine being able to say to a salesman "We are Kraftwerk". Or to anyone, really. :-D >As noted in the previous reviews, there is no access to Kraftwerk >themselves so hard and fast information on what exactly lies ahead is >absent, save for guesswork. I'm not quite sure whether you regard the book as a good buy for most fans of the group. Does the good outweigh the bad? Is there anything truly "bad" about the book (I'm sure you'd have mentioned if it contained many errors). Cheers Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #198 *******************************