From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #231 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 231 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) KW & German William Dobiesz wrote: > >> Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are a >> Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine schöne Sprache.... > > I can give MY answer to that...I took a year of Spanish in high school, followed by a year of French. I remember little. > > But, thanks to KW and this list (and German and Austrian machinery, and magazines like Fleisch Wirtschaft), I now know more German than either of the the other two languages. > > But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these browsers and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use the 26 characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is a BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There are foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people don't know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't handle it. My e-mail can handle it and I'd be glad to read posts in German or in fact any of the other European languages I speak. > Since we're on the subject of German and KW... > > At the KW concert, in Man Machine /Mensch Maschine, they used the term "Halb Über Ding" Does anyone know what that means, or for that matter, what "Über Alles" means? Halb Überding would mean "half supreme thing or item." Über alles means "above everything (else)." Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:26:18 +0100 From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Tubon > Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you = are a > Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... >=20 > But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these = browsers > and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use = the 26 > characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is = a > BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There = are > foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people = don't > know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't handle = it. >=20 >=20 There=B4s no problem if you write ue for =FC, oe for =F6, ae for =E4 = and ss for =DF, noone needs a german keyboard to write german. But to keep the list informative for everyone, I=B4d prefer to stick to english (although german happens to be my mother tongue). Last time i looked a nerd wasn=B4t anything to be=20 proud to be, and we=B4re asking ourselves why there are no girls on the=20 list! -Girls don=B4t like nerds, and they don=B4t like people who=20 shamelessly call themselves nerds either. Why are some people so concerned about girls on this list? Not that I wouldn=B4t appreciate it, but on the other hand I don=B4t really care, = this is a music oriented list, if you want to learn to know girls, don=B4t stick = in front of your computer but go outside instead. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:17:25 +0100 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Tubon >"Halb =DCber Ding" Literary: Half over thing Slightly better English: "Semi super beeing" >"=DCber Alles" Literary: Over everything or Above all /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:30:31 +0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Tubon "Fischer, Hans-Peter" wrote: > Why are some people so concerned about girls on this list? Not tha= t I > wouldn=B4t appreciate it, but on the other hand I don=B4t really ca= re, this is a > music oriented list, if you want to learn to know girls, don=B4t st= ick in > front of your computer but go outside instead. hear hear! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:39:21 +0100 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Hola! >...unofficil disc of official "Tour De France" mixes, and was wondering if it would hurt anyone if I put a mix or >two up at a time in MP3 format? Since it's unofficial versions it shouldn't hurt anybody. At least not me. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:51:35 +0100 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: German Language (was RE: (kw) Tubon) >Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:09:41 -0500 >From: William Dobiesz >Subject: FW: (kw) Tubon >Those on the list who are "learning English", why not German if you are = a >Kraftwerk-fan. Warum nicht? Eine sch=F6ne Sprache.... Jede Sprache hat ihre Vorzüge. Each language has its merits. > >I can give MY answer to that...I took a year of Spanish in high school, = >followed by a year of French. I remember little. > >But, thanks to KW and this list (and German and Austrian machinery, and = >magazines like Fleisch Wirtschaft), I now know more German than either = >of the the other two languages. Das kommt daher, daß man sich mit einem Thema beschäftigt, das einen wirklich interessiert. Früher in der Schule war ich in Englisch immer eine ziemliche Niete. Da mußten wir uns immer mit irgendwelchen langweiligen Texten rumplagen. Aber seit ich in der Liste bin, hat sich das bei mir enorm gebessert. and now I trie to translate: (o dear) It is because of concerning with topics we are really interested in. In school I used to be a loser in English lessons. We had to bother with boring texts. Sinces I am in the list, I do better. (please correct me, if I am wrong. I am still learning.) > >But - Why don't we do messages in German? Simple! With these browsers = >and mail systems I have available to me in the USA, we can only use the = >26 characters in the English alphabet, plus English puncuation. This is = >a BIG problem when trying to communicate in a foreign language! There = >are foreign characters hidden in the American keyboard, but most people = >don't know how to find them, not to mention that most software can't = >handle it. There are substitutes for Umlauts and "scharfes S": "ä" ("a" with two dots above)= "ae" "ö" ("o" with two dots above)= "oe" "ü" ("u" with two dots above)= "ue" "ß" (looks like "B") = "ss" > >Since we're on the subject of German and KW... > >At the KW concert, in Man Machine /Mensch Maschine, they used the term = >"Halb =DCber Ding" Does anyone know what that means, or for that = >matter, what "=DCber Alles" means? > Die Mensch-Maschine The Man-Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ding Half creature and half thing Die Mensch-Maschine The Man-Machine Halb Wesen und halb Ueberding Half creature and half "something from above" "ueber Alles" = "above everything" best Regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:53:40 -0000 From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) Dance robots - das model In response to the query regarding Das Modell by the dance robots. I owna copy of a promo remix of this obscure record. It starts well with samples from the telephone call then descends into a rather average rendition of a danced up version of the robets. it gets better when samples from Music non stop are introduced followed by bits of sex object. Overall quite a nice track to have owing to large amount of Kraftwerk samples in the track. Well if you want to hear it I am prepared to make a real audio copy and mail it out. Email me if youd like me to send a copy to you. cheers from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:22:56 -0500 From: JT Subject: (kw) Active-K Typo!!! For anyone that was trying to download the latest Kraftwerk MP3s of the Belgium 1981 concert at Active-K, the was a major error in the URLs. You can go here and get the updated file. http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Special thanks to Guy for being kind enough to bring the error to my attention. I apologize for any inconvenience. Now, back to the sequencer... Regards, - -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "No presets" http://efofex.simplenet.com Join the f(x) mailing list! http://efofex.simplenet.com/mailinglist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:20:10 -0500 From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) on and off topic To: kraftwerk just my 2 cents, (change currency for your particular country). i'd rather read 50 letters (or delete them) a day about komputer, or even tangerine dream (a band i detest) on the kraftwerk mailing list than 5 postings about analogue -vs- digital synths, or a simple listing of cds someone owns and wants to sell. some topics lend themselves well to a "real" conversation, others are just passing comments. I like analogue, you like digital - you think digital is more pure, I think analogue is more warm. End of conversation. It's a matter of taste. I like "neon lights" the most of all kw songs. you like "computer world" - another matter of taste, and another short conversation. If we were to really discuss such topics, (and sometimes, i guess we do) it's fine. WHY do i like "neon lights". Well, i find the sound is actually evocative of the visual image. If that brings us to a discussion of "war pigs" by Black Sabbath, in my mind, it's still on topic, and fundamentally more interesting than "I have a bootleg to sell". That's great. Somebody may want it, but, I can't say I ENJOY reading it, and even if I'm interested in purchasing said bootleg, I can't say it's good reading. Maybe it's a needed annoyance. that said, i know from experience that one can expect to read any number of different things on any given mailing list. There's an amazing bit of information on a Pere Ubu cd (the Beach Boys See Dee) in which David Thomas traces the influence of the Beach Boy's cover of "Sloop John B." on his music throughout his career - it's amazing, AND interesting. I could have posted it a while back when the Beach Boys discussion was on. Is it strictly on topic? No. Is it more interesting (to me) than favorite remixes of Kraftwerk songs? To me, yes. I don't particularly care WHAT somebody else does with a song that already exists. If they could tell me what the song meant to them, and why they interpreted it in whatever manner THEN i'd be interested. the very fact that "dj so and so" figured out how to sample a Kraftwerk song is of no interest to me. That's just me, though...I'd much rather talk about Kraftwerk, (music) in a way that doesn't always include Kraftwerk, if you get my drift. If one listens deeply enough, it's a mental influence. The bands I truly am "into" (not just the ones I listen to for fun, or whatever) have a deeper inpact. One could argue they introduce ideas to the listener. Therefore, if i'm "into" kraftwerk "enough", all my thoughts on music are somewhat related, even if i DON'T mention the band in a particular posting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:21:45 +0100 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) The Divine Comedy interview Latest issue (RDL 157, November 1998) of the Spanish music magazine Rockdelux has an interview with Neil Hannon (from Divine Comedy). He says that he likes Kraftwerk, Abba, Ace of Base, Whigfield, Acqua... The writer's article mentiones that his music is an indiscriminated use of cliches to compose. He tells that Commuter Love is a joke about Kraftwerk. Besides Neil says: "I try not to limit my music to a strict aesthetic. If= I write a song that it has to sound like Kraftwerk I am not going to preven= t it." Surprisely the article does not mention of Radioactivity cover versi= on by the band. The front cover of the magazine features a photo of Neil Hannon. On a unrelated note. IMHO a band become a kind of a KW-related band when that band make a cove= r version of KW, sample KW, etc. BTW, Add N To (X) album is called "On The Wires Of Our Nerves", and "Litt= le Black Rocks In The Sun" is the single. What influence of Kraftwerk has th= is act? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:32:46 +0000 From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Has any body noticed... How much the price of bacon has gone up recently? - especially on a Tuesday afternoon..... What has this got to do with KW ?Simple - Ralf used to eat bacon sandwiches. If you subscribe to the digest your life will become easier. Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:40:25 -0600 From: "Old Volkswagens of Alabama" Subject: (kw) KW @ German Since we are on the subject, why don't we take a poll! Just kidding! Since you brought up the language issue, we can converse auf Deutch. Warum nicht? Ale dlaczego nie po Polsku? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: 47 Subject: Re: (kw) Has any body noticed... At 09:32 AM 11/10/98 +0000, David Holton wrote: > >How much the price of bacon has gone up recently? - especially on a >Tuesday afternoon..... well, i would have to concur on your observation, here in the States families go for weeks, sometimes months until they can afford a hefty pound of bacon or so, and the government does absolutely nothing about it. > >What has this got to do with KW ?Simple - Ralf used to eat bacon >sandwiches. intriguing, i had no idea the boys were so fond of the sport. well, ta ta for now Angus R. Pendergrass it's not my real name, but i wish it was # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) From: 47 Subject: Re: (kw) KW @ German At 09:40 PM 11/9/98 -0600, Old Volkswagens of Alabama wrote: >Since you brought up the language issue, >Ale dlaczego nie po Polsku? Davaitye govorit' po Russki. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:50:02 EST From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: (kw) TOUR DE FRANCE Yeah. MP3. Had to rename because of XOOM'S policies.. so it's there as a *.3pm file.. just rename and you're fine. http://members.xoom.com/kraftwerker/index.html Minimalistic. Total Kraftwerk Rip-off. Enjoy the files as they come. (note..may not be available immediately..try later if it's not) E J R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:20:33 -0700 From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Grote Rip Off Who on the list believes that Faithless ripped off Jeff Grote's pic of Kraftwerk Robots in front of the State Theater in Detroit? (Through heavy KW surfing). I know there are Faithless Fanatics out there.l Pick up the cover art and see..... If you haven't seen the cover...check it out. Faithless' CD cover shows a marquee. It reads....."Door.............Sunday........8PM...... Faithless" The Bluebird Theater Where is the Bluebird Theater? Jeff Grote's photo (php.indiana.ed/~jrgrote/kwerk/onepointonee.htm/) reads........ "Kraftwerk 7:30" The State Theater I still believe that JG's photo is of historical value. Any pics of KW robots in front of marquee? I also thought this would have been a great album cover before.............. Faithless ripped it off? Faithless just got booted from top 5. Lists anyone? DjFrAnkX http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/~kw2000.htm Kraftwerk Shockwave coming soon......... php.indiana.edu/~jwgrote/kwerk/onepointone.htm (to see the pic) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:46:17 EST From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) 2 Are the LP vinyl albums on Phillips of KW, KW2, and R&F bootleg (pirate) copies, or are they official re-releases from Philips? Doubtful they would be and them not releasing the CDs too. And the price is high. Shop owners say they are official but I smell a rat. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:05:08 +0100 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) "From Duesseldorf to..."/Anthony Rother Please, - -how can I get "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with love)" in Germany ? I tried do get it in a book-store, but they told me "noch nicht erschienen"/ "not released yet". - -Is Anthony Rother a relative of Michael Rother ? Thanks Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:42:14 PST From: "Dead Reaper" Subject: Re: German Language (was RE: (kw) Tubon) ever so slightly off-topic but anyway >There are substitutes for Umlauts and "scharfes S": > >"=E4" ("a" with two dots above)=3D "ae" >"=F6" ("o" with two dots above)=3D "oe" >"=FC" ("u" with two dots above)=3D "ue" >"=DF" (looks like "B") =3D "ss" they're not really official substitutes (the a and e should be joined=20 together: there is a fancy name for that, but I forget what it is), and=20 then you get thick Americans who think it should be pronounced=20 Dyooseldorf, or whatever. You might as well put "a" for "a+ummlaut". Mmm. Anyway. What was the final verdict? Is the book worth buying? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:39:12 -0500 From: Henrik Olsson Subject: (kw) Bartos Airlines Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) are currently broadcasting a TV commercial (at least in Sweden) wich comes along with the tune of "You Make the Sun Shine", produced by Bartos, performed by Mobile Homes. H:\ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:29:03 +0100 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk Yesterday, 47 wrote: > i am trying to collect information on ex-Kraftwerk members. please sen= d > e-mail to me personally if you have any information on any of the following > people. things like solo albums, or forming/joining other bands that > released albums, and if you have all the album info please send that to= o, > title, year of release, label, catalog #, etc. do they have websites? >=20 > where are they now? My apologies if this has already been posted here, but I think I be able = to answer some questions. > Basil Hammoudi (Hammond) Basil Hammoudi was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Butch Hauf He also was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Fred Monicks He was in Organisation. No idea of his activities at present. > Andreas Hohmann He was in the recording of the first KW album. > Klaus Dinger alias Nikolaus van Rhein. Neu!, La D=FCsseldorf, Neondian (a solo project), Die Engel Des Herrn. Al= l of those projects created by Klaus Dinger. Now he has a solo project. According to Aktivitaet fanzine it appears that Klaus Dinger replaced Andreas Hohmann, to complete the recording of the first KW LP. Dinger appears on the second side of the album. > Klaus Roeder He was on the recording sessions of Autobahn album. Subsequent activities not known. > Wolfgang Flur It was rumoured that Wolfgang Fl=FCr had been writting a book of his memoirs, which it had been already published, AFAIK. The Yamo records: singles: "Guiding Ray" and "Stereomatic" (apparently a remix of the Mouse On Mars' track "Stereomission"), and "Time Pie" album. All of them released by EMI. Then it was released "Musica Obscura - Guidi= ng Ray" EP (EMI Electrola). Serenity Supreme will be the next album by Yamo. http://www.apbt.com/neworld/yamo.htm > Karl Bartos Bartos keeps his solo project Electric Music. He has released an homonymo= us album this year. Singles: "Call On Me" and "Sunshine". Karl Bartos wrote the preface for the book, published in October 1995, "Techno Style", whose authors are Martin Pesch and Markus Weisbeck. Electric Music WWW pages: http://www.spv.de/Bands/deutsch/ElectricMusic01.html > Emil Schult (?) Emil Schult made the Elektric Music's lyrics, artwork and videos. He also made the videos of Yamo and he collaborated in Yamo single "Little Child". And seemingly he is working on some pictures for an exposition this year. > Fritz Hilpert (still in KW?) I think yes. > Fernando Abrantes He works on KW live only. It has been rumoured that he was apparently "fired" from KW. > Henning Schmitz (still in KW?) I also think yes. >is there anyone else that i missed, please let me know. You missed: Plato Kostic/Riviera. He was on KW in the previous period to the recording of "Ralf & Florian" LP. Now he's an architect. Acording to Man, Machine and Music (Pascal Bussy's book) Eberhardt Krahnemann played bass (for only one session) on KW, before Ralf Huetter leaves the band. Wolfgang Reichman, who wasn't in KW but in Spirit of Sound (the first Fluer's band) Rainer Sennewald, who was in Sinus (the first Bartos' band). Bodo Staiger & Peter Wollek. They were in Sinus and then they form the band Lilac Angels (Klaus Dinger produced the first album). Bodo Staiger and Brigitte Kanz take part of Rheingold (the Lothar Manteuffel's band). Lothar Manteuffel has composed several types of music for VH1 channel of the German TV. Michael Rother, who founded Neu! and Harmonia and he was in Spirit of Sound and also in KW. After Neu! Rother continues solo. Thomas Dinger, Klaus' brother, was on Neu! and La Duesseldorf. Now he has= a solo project. His "Fuer Mich" album was produced by Klaus. Hans Lampe, was on Neu! and La Duesseldorf. Mani Meumaier, who was in Harmonia. Neu! (Michael Rother & Klaus Dinger, Thomas Dinger, Hans Lampe), La Duesseldorf (Klaus Dinger, Thomas Dinger, Hans Lampe, Andreas Schell, and Harald Konietzko), Harmonia (Michael Rother, Hans-Joachim Roedelius, Dieter Moebius and Mani Neumairer), Die Engel Des Herrn (Klaus Dinger, Gerhard Michel, Klaus Imming). Additional information can be obtained at Aktivitaet online: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/index.htm DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:46:04 +0200 From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: (kw) kw'81 live playlist Hi! Does anyone on the list remember exact tracks order on KW'81 live performances? TIA, Eugene # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) X-Kraft/Non-Werk On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Der Automat wrote: > > Fritz Hilpert (still in KW?) > > I think yes. > > > Henning Schmitz (still in KW?) > > I also think yes. They are, unless A) they've left since June or B) the robots have gotten VERY realistic. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "Under what rule did you shoot them?" Student Services, "I'll tell you what rule we applied. We The University of Michigan applied rule .303! We caught them, and LS&A Honors Program shot them, under rule .3-0-3, SIR!" http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ --Breaker Morant including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:48:44 -0500 (EST) From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) "From Dusseldorf to the Future (with love)" does anyone know where to get Tim Barr's book in U.S. other than the publisher site in U.K. http://www.waterstones.co.uk/ thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:20:38 -0500 From: Andrew Subject: (kw) DJ Hell on Kraftwerk? / Daft Punk >The "Munich Machine" LP by DJ Hell (aka Helmut Geier, from Nueremberg, >Germany) was published by V2 records (the label directed by Richard >Branson, the multimillonaire owner of Virgin company). This record pay >tribute to the Munich sound (headed by Giorgio Moroder in the middle of >70's), in fact it contains a track called "For your love", a tribute to "I >feel love" by Donna Summer. The first single of the album has been "Suicide >Comando" a cover version of a song by a German band called No More that was >released in the early 80's. DJ Hell directs the International Deejay >Gigolos label applied to sleazy techno. > Is this the same DJ Hell who is mentioned on Daft Punks "Homework" album; song is #9, teachers. At the tribal gathering Daft punk had a very KW appearance live; but KW isn't mentioned in teachers for some reason. Dr. Dre is though :/ Also, maybe its because I've been deleting the mail from this list for a month, I dont recal anyone mentioning Kraftwerk's Autobahn being reviewed as one of the must have albums in a US Mens fashion magazine calle "gear". It's the october/september issue. It reads as the folowing: Autobahn, Kraftwerk, EMI, 1974: There are many examples of 'great driving records', the ones that turn an everyday road trip into an epic ride. But there aren't many that are actually about a road trip. And, as far as we know, there has only been one made by a group of Germans with red shirts, skinny black ties and severe hairstyles that made them look like robots. Kraftwerk were the pioneers of electronic pop, the inspiration behind the 80s synth sound. There's no doubting Autiobahn's innovation - an album whose dominant track is a 23-minute long simulation of a motorway drive. There's a chorus, too - "Vir fahren, fahren, fahren, auf der autobahn'. Sounds pretty cool in German, and it rhymes, too. ('We drive, drive, drive on the free-ee-way'- not so good.) Hopefully, Rhino Records, who own the back catalog , will reissue on the back of the electronic revival. (Page 163) Forgive the spelling errors, I just typed it in. Also in this magazine are some cool futuristic clothing I could see florian in. PS- if anyone has Cubase VST, ReBirth 338, Cakewalk, a roland TR-505 or any suggestions on setting up a starter studio please e-mail me to talk privately. regards andrew from ze computer welt, http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:14:15 EST From: NOFX272727@aol.com Subject: (kw) introducing...Jerry Hi, I'm Jerry, an 18 year old student at DePaul University in Chicago. I was on this list about two years ago, right around the time when the big talk was about list members making a CD, burning it, and offering it to other list members. Don't know if you guys remember, but... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:54:39 +0100 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Robbie Williams / Neotropic / Andreu Dorau ... The new album "I've Been Expecting You" (Chrysalis / EMI) by Robbie Williams was released on 26 October. This LP contains a track called "Man Machine". http://www.robbiewilliams.co.uk The "15 levels Of Magnification" LP (Ninja Tune, 1996) by Neotropic (Riz Maslen (a.k.a. Small Fish With Spine)) is a entangled and virgin forest where boil technological psychodely, dark ambient, KRAFTWERK, David Toop and even Mike Oldfield. His new album is called "Brubaker" and, apparentl= y, includes a cover version of "Hall of Mirrors". Does anybody know the influence of KW on Andreu Dorau? TIA. Does anybody please tell me if the tribute album called "Musique Non Stop= " (TOSHIBA/EMI TOCT 10455) is the same record than the Japanese CD: VA / "Kraftwerk Tribute" (Nippon Crown, TOCT-10455) featuring Hikasyu, Takkyu Ishino, Satoru Ono (Meiwa Denki), Buffalo Daughter, Fukuma (P-model)/ Y. Yamashita/ M. Inoue/ T. Nakano/ Melt Banana, etc. The album is produced b= y Koichi Makigami. The number catalogue is the same althought I think the record label is no= t. TIA. In a recent interview at "El Pais de las Tentaciones" magazine (no. 260, = 16 October) (http://www.elpais.es/tentaciones/T/D/19981016/musica/jack.htm) with Jack Dangers (aka Meat Beat Manifesto), he said: "It exists a webpag= e that contains all of those tracks that have been used to create some sampler. One of my songs has be= en sampled with pleasure. But the number one continues being "Funky drummer" by James Brown." It's my speculation, but I think that the number two may be a KW song. BTW, does anybody of you know what URL has the mentioned we= b? The www address of MBM is: http://www.brainwashed.com/mbm Razormaid has released a mix of "Tour de France" on their new Class-X compilation volume eleven, plus 12 tracks (including Soft Cell se= x dwarf) for sound-snippet check out: http://www.razormaid.com/html/classx/classxsound.html Does anybody know from where Razormaid is? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:12:50 +0100 From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: Re: (kw) Robbie Williams / Neotropic / Andreu Dorau ... DER AUTOMAT wrote: > Does anybody please tell me if the tribute album called "Musique Non Stop" (TOSHIBA/EMI TOCT 10455) is the same record than the Japanese CD: VA / "Kraftwerk Tribute" (Nippon Crown, TOCT-10455) featuring Hikasyu, Takkyu Ishino, Satoru Ono (Meiwa Denki), Buffalo Daughter, Fukuma (P-model)/ Y. Yamashita/ M. Inoue/ T. Nakano/ Melt Banana, etc. The album is produced by Koichi Makigami. The number catalogue is the same althought I think the record label is not. TIA. < I think both releases contain the same tracks. I've got the first release (TOSHIBA/EMI) and the track list is identical with the one listed for the Nippon Crown release. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:21:13 EST From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) CD burner If anyone has a CD-R recorder, has experience recording music from another source (cassette), and lives in the US please contact me for a KW swap you would probably want to pursue. The CD-R should be a computer based model, not one of those Philips stand alone types. Thanks! Contact me off the list at: tom807@aol.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:53:02 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) FW: eat it... I asked a friend of mine to copy the old globe at http://www=2Ekraftwerk=2Ecom/konzert=2Ehtml And he found this: A lot of possible concertplaces? Here's the code: # Copyright Andreas Kuckartz 1998 # Compusic(R), Klingklang(R) and Kraftwerk(R) product # wuerfel v -1 -1 -1 v 1 -1 -1 v 1 1 -1 v -1 1 -1 v -1 -1 1 v 1 -1 1 v 1 1 1 v -1 1 1 p -90 0 p -80 0 p -70 0 p -60 0 p -50 0 p -40 0 p -30 0 p -20 0 p -10 0 p 0 0 p 10 0 p 20 0 p 30 0 p 40 0 p 50 0 p 60 0 p 70 0 p 80 0 p 90 0 p -90 -90 p -80 -90 p -70 -90 p -60 -90 p -50 -90 p -40 -90 p -30 -90 p -20 -90 p -10 -90 p 0 -90 p 10 -90 p 20 -90 p 30 -90 p 40 -90 p 50 -90 p 60 -90 p 70 -90 p 80 -90 p 90 -90 p -90 90 p -80 90 p -70 90 p -60 90 p -50 90 p -40 90 p -30 90 p -20 90 p -10 90 p 0 90 p 10 90 p 20 90 p 30 90 p 40 90 p 50 90 p 60 90 p 70 90 p 80 90 p 90 90 p -90 180 p -80 180 p -70 180 p -60 180 p -50 180 p -40 180 p -30 180 p -20 180 p -10 180 p 0 180 p 10 180 p 20 180 p 30 180 p 40 180 p 50 180 p 60 180 p 70 180 p 80 180 p 90 180 # afrika 17 (85-101) p 0 10 p 5 10 p 5 -10 p 10 -14 p 20 -16 p 30 -10 p 36 0 p 37 10 p 34 10 p 32 32 p 10 43 p 11 51 p 0 43 p -4 40 p -32 30 p -35 20 p -20 13 # madagaskar 4 (102-105) p -11 50 p -25 48 p -25 44 p -16 44 # eurasien 34 (106-139) p 40 -10 p 43 -10 p 43 0 p 50 0 p 55 20 p 65 20=20 p 56 15 p 60 5 p 70 20 p 65 40 p 78 110 p 72 130 p 70 170 p 65 -170 p 60 170 p 60 140 p 35 125 p 40 118 p 37 120 p 20 105 p 12 110 p 20 90 p 8 78 p 25 67 p 30 50 p 20 60 p 15 45 p 32 35 p 37 37 p 37 28 p 38 18 p 44 10 p 38 0 p 38 -10 # australien 7 (140-146) p -35 115 p -20 115 p -10 130 p -10 143 p -25 153 p -44 147 p -32 133 # japan 4 (147-150) p 35 130 p 45 140 p 45 145 p 35 135 # suedamerika 9 (151-159) p -55 -75 p -20 -70 p -8 -80 p 10 -80 p 10 -60 p -5 -35 p -23 -40 p -50 -69 p -55 -65 # nordamerika 19 (160-178) p 10 -80 p 20 -110 p 32 -113 p 23 -110 p 40 -125 p 50 -130 p 60 -140 p 70 -165 p 70 -90 p 58 -90 p 52 -80 p 63 -75 p 47 -55 p 30 -80 p 25 -80 p 47 -85 p 30 -95 p 20 -98 p 20 -88 # barcelona 179 p 37 -5 # tokio 180 p 40 135 # san francisko 181 p 38 -122 # los angeles 182 p 34 -118 # daenemark 183 p 55 10 # detroit 184 p 42 -81 # new york 185 p 41 -74 # chicago 186 p 42 -88 # washington 187 p 39 -77 # wuerfel # f 1 2 3 4 # f 5 6 7 8 # l 1 5 # l 2 6 # l 3 7 # l 4 8 # halbkreise # f 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 # f 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 # f 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 # f 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 # afrika f 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 # madagaskar f 102 103 104 105 # eurasien f 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 # australien f 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 # japan f 147 148 149 150 # suedamerika f 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 # nordamerika f 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 1= 78 # staedte c 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 Hiroshima 45, Tjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (not from the code) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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