From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #244 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 244 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:03:01 -0500 (EST) From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk >I think there's a misconception there about Rap/Hip-Hop artists >not wanting to admit to the Kraftwerk influence. Afrika Bambaata will tell you himself that the early >work was Kraftwerk influenced, and others in the community >heard his work and took it from there. >After all, the first time I heard Kraftwerk was on a "Black" radio >station, and the so-called mainstream pop/whatever wouldn't >touch stuff so. i have a friend whose first encounter with Kraftwerk came through reading a magazine interview with Sir Mix-a-Lot who cited Kraftwerk as one of his influences. so my friend bought Computer World, and is a KW fan ever since. now on the other hand, i happend to walk in to an African-American fraternity party, and T.E.E. was blasting from the speakers, and no one in the room really appreciated it, then the DJ/MC ruined the song by rapping over it. Rap/hip-hop artists from the '80's had an appreciation for the music as well as the culture that came with KW's music, but artists today, have no regard for the culture that is responsible for KW's music, and very little respect for the music itself. i think, that for the early DJ's, musicians, and rappers (like Afrika Bammaataa, Grand Master Flash, Sir Mix-a-Lot, pioneers of "bass" music) KW was a part of their music and culture, they treated a KW record as a hip-hop record. i know DJ's in my town who do not distinguish or separate KW from the rest of their mainly black artist collection. now, the new artists, mainly the puffy-clones as well as many others who are ignorant of where their music at least partially came from, and they look at kraftwerk as another white band they discovered and sampled. it's a sad situation. off-topic, and as an example of how out of touch today's media is with music and modern (mainstream & underground) culture here is a short story. i am also a subscriber to the Negativland e-mail list. Negativland is an experimental band from the West Coast (California, USA) who have been on an anti-corprate, pro-sampling musical quest since 1980. recently the Music Director of MTV's "Real World" (for those who have been blessed by never witnessing the show i am going to ruin it for you), the show that stuffs six or seven strangers to live in a house and have their lives televised on national TV. so this show contacted Negativland and asked them if they possibly have an album out, because this bright young man at MTV want's to feature the hottest up and coming bands on the next season of "Real World". Negativland's reply to MTV was to go stuff them selves, or something like that. if they were to go on MTV it would sortof defeat their entire point of uncorporation of culture and music. since 1980 (they've been around longer than MTV-1982) they have had more than 20 albums, plus they produce a weekly radio programme on KPFA-Pacifica (since 1980) where they perform live and make listener participation a part of their music. yes anyone can call in and be in the mix, from anywhere around the world, play an instrument, or just say something. they are in Real Audio http://www.negativland.com/ote_live/index.html if anyone is interested in listening there is the address. lenny g i pity the man who watches AMP. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:25:07 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Just a thought.. Hey guys, I'm sitting here listening to computerworld and it strikes me tha= t=20 it's=20 soon 18 YEARS since I bought it! Not much that is better has turned up since then has it? /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:52:44 EST From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Saunderson & May In a message dated 07/12/98 11:23:41 GMT, you write: << The third single "Ain't Nobody Better" retained Kevin Saunderson's techno-logic microchip feel topped by Paris' soulful voice. Their debut album, "Paradise" cemented this prosperity and highlighted the Detroit techno blueprint of mesmerising rhythms that owed more to the white European synth groups of the 70's and early 80's, like Kraftwerk, Can & Depeche Mode than to the black dance music roots of the 60's and 70's that Chicago house and New Jersey garage related to. >> was bedeutet das ? what does this mean ? DER KRAUTOMAT (K) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:51:34 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:03:01 -0500 (EST) 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: >i pity the man who watches AMP. and why's that? tom w np: amberdelic space II ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:27:13 -0700 From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: Re: (kw) Just a thought.. >Hey guys, I'm sitting here listening to computerworld and it strikes me that >it's >soon 18 YEARS since I bought it! >Not much that is better has turned up since then has it? >/Johan YES! I love Computerworld. for years i've felt an urge to tell the world that computerworld is the finest kraftwerk album. for one thing, i think it is the most original concept that they ever came up with. autobahn and trans-europe express covered themes that have been covered in american rock'n'roll, but computerworld somehow dramatizes computer circuits, through sounds and words, in such a way that i wonder if it has ever been done like that before. something else that i find interesting is that they were never really technicians, but they were able to bring to life the 'feel' of computers through the music. i do feel that those who can understand the german lyrics to this album should feel lucky. they're more interesting than the english (as was discussed before). stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:40:20 +0100 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > Like that Puff Daddy + thing... > "Wir fahren! Auf der! Autobahn! Glitzerstrahlen! Graues Band! Autobahn!= " > etc. What song is this? A cover of Autobahn? Could anybody tell me, please, who's this "somebody from Led Zeppelin"? Thanks in advance. > There is a '2 Live Crew' piece that uses the first few seconds of > Mensch Maschine continuously repeated, with an additional beat, > to where it sounds very much like the background of the whole MM, > combined with questionable lyrics. AFAIK, D.K. Almighty, in his song "2 Live Crew", makes a rap supports in the sequence and the rhythm of "The Man Machine". DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:01:08 +0100 (CET) From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm This week: Die Roboter (Kinderspiel-Version) a funny mix!!! Radioactivity (William Orbit 7" remix) Robotronik (7" version) Nummern (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) partial, I don't know why they didn't keep the full lenght track Computerwelt (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) same as above see you next week for more. Good listening Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:41:11 -0000 From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) autobahn release date could anybody please give me a definitive answer to the question:on what date was the album autobahn released a]in germany [presumably the first country of release] and b]in the uk ? thanks in advance, chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:14:22 +0100 From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Videoclip:"Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta Hi, has anybody watched the videoclip "Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta ? For some seconds the album-sleeve of "Electric Cafe" can be seen. Does anybody know, if there is any relation between Ghettoblasta and KRAFTWERK ? regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:35:08 +0100 From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Just a thought.. - ---------- > Da: stephen vesecky > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Oggetto: Re: (kw) Just a thought.. > Data: venerd́ 11 dicembre 1998 2.27 > I love Computerworld. > > for years i've felt an urge to tell the world that computerworld is the > finest kraftwerk album. for one thing, i think it is the most original > concept that they ever came up with. autobahn and trans-europe express > covered themes that have been covered in american rock'n'roll, but > computerworld somehow dramatizes computer circuits, through sounds and > words, in such a way that i wonder if it has ever been done like that > before. > > something else that i find interesting is that they were never really > technicians, but they were able to bring to life the 'feel' of computers > through the music. > > i do feel that those who can understand the german lyrics to this album > should feel lucky. they're more interesting than the english (as was > discussed before). > > stephen I agree with you at all !!!!!!! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:43:08 +0100 From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) autobahn release date > Da: Chris Raistrick > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Oggetto: (kw) autobahn release date > could anybody please give me a definitive answer to the question:on what > date was the album autobahn released a]in germany [presumably the first > country of release] and b]in the uk ? > thanks in advance, > chris The release date of Autobahn in Germany is NOVEMBER 1974. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:15:23 +0100 From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 > G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: >=20 > > Like that Puff Daddy + thing... > > "Wir fahren! Auf der! Autobahn! Glitzerstrahlen! Graues Band! = Autobahn!" > > etc. >=20 DER AUTOMAT =AE wrote > What song is this? A cover of Autobahn? Could anybody tell me, = please, > who's this "somebody from Led Zeppelin"? > Thanks in advance. >=20 >=20 I guess he referred to the song "Come with me", by Puff Daddy and Jimmy = Page (former Led Zeppelin member), which is a cover of an old LZ song, but there=B4s no Autobahn cover from Puff... Thank god! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk >>i pity the man who watches AMP. > > >and why's that? > >tom w > because AMP is outdated, as in not up to date with the music (i just saw Pan Sonic first time on AMP like a week ago) and on top of that it is a corporate intrusion into an underground music scene. i don't want my music to suffer the same fate as rap or alternative. did anyone ever wounder why rap and alternative music sucks so much, it's not the artists... it's the money. and now even some electronic artists are "cheating", as in not being honest with their trade, making shit that sells instead of good music, you'd think every little Prodigy and Chemical Brothers wound want to sound like their brilliant forefathers (Kraftwerk), but no, i have no clue where they draw their inspiration (punk? unlikely, punk had meaning). their music is pointless. unfortunatelly, AMP breeds this sort of artists, well fed with money, and no original thought. i shouldn't say breeds, how about gives them playground space. "Electronica", is a corporate code name for annihillation of pure electronic music. I do not subscribe to it. what does that (np:) mean? >np: amberdelic space II # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:05:23 -0500 From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk It is truly sad, I agree... I only made the previous statement because when I mentioned where I heard Kraftwerk I forgot to mention when and that was back in 1981, so I've prolly dated myself. I've no love for this current urban garbage Puffy etc.. none at all.. Kraftwerk is half the reason I make music myself... :-) I'm nothing spectacular, but I've been doing my thing for as long as the Detroit people but just have been too lazy to try and actually get it out, soo... I guess I'm one to talk... :-) Jim J. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of 47 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:03 PM To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk i have a friend whose first encounter with Kraftwerk came through reading a magazine interview with Sir Mix-a-Lot who cited Kraftwerk as one of his influences. so my friend bought Computer World, and is a KW fan ever since. now on the other hand, i happend to walk in to an African-American fraternity party, and T.E.E. was blasting from the speakers, and no one in the room really appreciated it, then the DJ/MC ruined the song by rapping over it. Rap/hip-hop artists from the '80's had an appreciation for the music as well as the culture that came with KW's music, but artists today, have no regard for the culture that is responsible for KW's music, and very little respect for the music itself. i think, that for the early DJ's, musicians, and rappers (like Afrika Bammaataa, Grand Master Flash, Sir Mix-a-Lot, pioneers of "bass" music) KW was a part of their music and culture, they treated a KW record as a hip-hop record. i know DJ's in my town who do not distinguish or separate KW from the rest of their mainly black artist collection. now, the new artists, mainly the puffy-clones as well as many others who are ignorant of where their music at least partially came from, and they look at kraftwerk as another white band they discovered and sampled. it's a sad situation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:54:01 -0800 From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) A print influence The influence of our heroes is everywhere; even their NAME is influential. Case in point - In the December 5, 1998 issue of the US Magazine TV Guide, there is a feature on Sid and Marty Krofft, two pioneers of US puppet-based Saturday Morning Childrens TV Shows. They produced H.R. Pufnstuf, the Bugaloos, and Sigmund and the Sea Monsters back in the 70's. As a sidebar to the article is a short description of the shows they produced. The sidebar articles title?? K r o f f t W E R K LOLoud!!! -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:39:28 -0500 From: "VLAD (LIKES POINTY STICKS)" Subject: (kw) Negativland > I saw > > Negativland in NYC at the old Knitting Factory 9 or 10 years ago.  > > It was really amazing.  One of the band members was actually seated > > at the entrance to the performance, writing out self-stick name tags for > > each person.  The show began with a singer in a brown suede leisure > > suit belting out Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently".  During the course of > > the performance, balloons were distributed, real paper money was thrown > > into the audience and fun was generally had by all in attendance.  > > It was truly a show I'll never forget. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:06:23 -0500 From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Promo record I was going through my records recently, and I was wondering if anyone knows how common / uncommon this is: Elektra ST-ED-5551A-SP copyright date 1991 12" vinyl marked (in small letters) "Promotional copy, not for sale" Side A Robotnik Kling Klang Extended Mix 7:41 Side B The Robots Single Edit 3:43 Robotronik Kling Klang Mix 4:51 This record was made in the USA, and has a "DJ" sleeve, nothing special aside from a label with the song titles, and it is in excellent but not mint condition. np: The Credibility Gap - Foreign Novelty Smash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 98 20:50:21 +0100 From: Frank Schelter Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm >Nummern (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) partial, I don't know why they didn't >keep the full lenght track >Computerwelt (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) same as above KlingKlang crashed while playing Numbers (exactly between Numbers and CW). The concert was paused. After 15 minutes the came back on stage and continued playing. The rest of the concert was really good, especially pocketcalculator (Ralph's comment: "einwandfreie Funktion"). Bye, Frank. I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:18:22 +0300 From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Frank Schelter wrote: > Bye, Frank. > > I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. Yeah, that's interesting. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:20:30 EST From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: > >>>i pity the man who watches AMP. >> >> >>and why's that? >> >>tom w >> > >because AMP is outdated, as in not up to date with the music (i just >saw Pan >Sonic first time on AMP like a week ago) and on top of that it is a >corporate intrusion into an underground music scene. i don't want my >music >to suffer the same fate as rap or alternative. did anyone ever >wounder why >rap and alternative music sucks so much, it's not the artists... it's >the >money. and now even some electronic artists are "cheating", as in not >being >honest with their trade, making shit that sells instead of good music, >you'd >think every little Prodigy and Chemical Brothers wound want to sound >like >their brilliant forefathers (Kraftwerk), but no, i have no clue where >they >draw their inspiration (punk? unlikely, punk had meaning). their >music is >pointless. unfortunatelly, AMP breeds this sort of artists, well fed >with >money, and no original thought. i shouldn't say breeds, how about >gives >them playground space. > >"Electronica", is a corporate code name for annihillation of pure >electronic >music. I do not subscribe to it. > >what does that (np:) mean? > >>np: amberdelic space II "corporate intrusion into an underground music scene"? what does that mean? that corporations cant support music? that they cant pay for it? and what the hell is underground? pan sonic is underground? and their "brilliant" forefathers did everything for the love of music, huh? sheesh, get real man... tom w Now Playing: klaus schulze - r u sequenced? (saw the video on amp, btw) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:16:38 -0700 From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Promo record Dobiesz writes: >knows how common / uncommon this is: > >Elektra ST-ED-5551A-SP copyright date 1991 >12" vinyl Uncommon. It is a DJ Promo 12" sent to Dance DJ's who are members of record pools. A certain amount were distributed to record pools across the country. I received mine through Desert West Record Pool out of Phoenix, Arizona back in '91. It moved the crowd but with added doses of "Numbers". Does anyone remember/have the Kraftwerk Fluorescent Lime Green 45 rpm "Pocket Calculator" in a see through record cover? Some were pressed with the Japanese version "Dentaku". These were also "promotional copy for not sale." The 45's were sent through record pools in shipments when "Numbers" was released. It came in a white record cardboard cover with the Kraftwerk ComputerWorld ink drawing head shots. (Japanese script on side) I'm watching video footage of the space station being built. "Spacelab", believe it or not is playing. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 18:48:48 +0100 From: Frank Schelter Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Hi, the mp3-file is on its way, in 2 or 3 days it will be available. Bye, Frank. # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:11:20 +0100 From: "Herbert Stocker HSH[1126]" Subject: Me Too: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > Frank Schelter wrote: > > > Bye, Frank. > > > > I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. > > Yeah, that's interesting. > Yes, would also be interested. Hell - -- Hell (Herbert Stocker) : mailto:hell@stusta.mhn.de \_ Hell is also talkto:hell@hell.hsh.stusta.mhn.de \_ my NickName goto:D->MUC->StuSta->HSH[1126] \_ in RealLife : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:50:35 -0500 (EST) From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk >"corporate intrusion into an underground music scene"? what does that >mean? i am answering provided that your questions are not rhetoric, if you did not expect an answer, please accept my apologies. well, before something becomes mainstream it is first underground. and for the longest time electronic/experimental music has remained underground compared to pop, rock, R&B, and rap/hip-hop. for example, the Spice Girls did not make pop music, pop music made them. They are a product of a corporate scheme, a perfecly legal scheme, but a scheme never-the-less. on the other hand, there were no big time producers and record labels running around trying to create or sign electronic/experimental acts to make big profit. the situation was quite the opposite, the artist or group had to me damn good or on the verge of brilliance to get a big (equivalent to for example any big rock act, Rolling Stones) record deal. i never seen Kraftwerk commercials on TV, have you, but i've seen Janet Jackson commercials, and she charges $75 a ticket at her concerts (unlike less known underground acts). so when i say that corporate involvement is ruining a musical genre, i ask you instead, why did Price (or The Artist as he is know now) left Warner Brothers on such bad terms, and shortly after released close to 75 hours worth of new material, extremely good, better than anything he made at Warner. he had creative freedom, and money was not the driving force behind his creativity, he is good enough of an artist that he can produce a record and it will make money without corporate production and advertising gimmicks. the same thing with electronic/experimental music. you don't/didn't see Wendy Carlos, Isao Tomita, J. M. Jarre conforming to record companies rules, they do what they want and its damn good. on the other hand some of the newer artists, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method are an embarresment to their predecessors. forgive me for saying so, but their music is shit. Modonna, made a better techno album on the first try than they couldn't compare to in amillion years. that corporations cant support music? that they cant pay for it? support yes, pay for it, then it is no longer the artists music, then it is the corporations music, and i don't want any of it. >and what the hell is underground? pan sonic is underground? my comment was that AMP premered Pan Sonic way after the release of their album, way too late. AMP is outdated and out of touch with the real music scene, they play what corporations tell them to play, that does not reflect the music the people listen to. and their >"brilliant" forefathers did everything for the love of music, huh? >sheesh, get real man... at least i am doing something about it, speaking up against the corporate intrusion into my favorite musical genre. hope this is satisfactry, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:02:56 -0500 From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Silver Apples news I just got this from the Silver Apples website...(update on the accident). It's the best and most complete information I have (not to mention the most encouraging). ========================================================== Silver Apples Silver Apples in tragic accident Recently reunited electronic music pioneers Silver Apples were involved in a tragic accident on the New York State Thruway early Sunday morning November 1st. While returning home from a Halloween gig in New York City, the band's van was cut off by another car forcing Simeon to take evasive action causing the van to roll numerous times. Drummer Danny Taylor escaped with a few bruises and was able to revive an unconscious and not breathing Simeon by giving him CPR before the ambulance arrived. Simeon was then airlifted to a nearby hospital where he was placed on the critical list for three and a half days. He has extensive injuries which include a broken neck, an injured spine and his legs were paralyzed for some time. He now has more sensation in his legs, yet his hands are still somewhat dysfunctional. Although Simeon survived, this tragic accident leaves the future of Silver Apples in serious speculation. Cards and well-wishes may be sent to Simeon c/o Whirlybird Records, 28 Decatur Ave., Annnapolis, MD, 21403. 11/20/98, BALTIMORE: Simeon gets stronger each day. He now has some use of his left leg and arm, and can walk with assistance. His right leg is very weak and his right arm and hand are still paralyzed. His spirits are good, however, and his great sense of humor is intact as he scoots himself about the hospital in his wheelchair. The flood of cards/letters/email from friends around the world is a huge help and he is more determined than ever to recover. (there is a picture of a theatre marqee - it says "Get Well Simeon") The marquee of the Charles Theater in Baltimore. They put up this message not knowing Simeon was in Baltimore -- just sending it out into the ether to spur his recovery. Simeon learned of it from his neurosurgeon who noticed it on his way to work and mentioned it on rounds. 12/1/98 BALTIMORE: Simeon's condition continues to improve with each passing day. His legs are stronger to the point where he can walk short distances unaided, and some feeling is returning to his arms and hands. He has been provided with a simple keyboard that he is beginning to use, and exercise equipment is now part of his physical therapy routine. He wants to thank everyone for the cards/letters/email he is receiving from around the world -- it certainly is aiding his recovery! BENEFIT CONCERT: A concert to help with Simeon's medical bills will be held on December 18, 1998 at The Cooler in New York. Watch this site for more information or at "http://www.thecooler.com/" BENEFIT CD: Watch this site for information about a planned benefit CD from the Ptolemaic Terrascope. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:39:38 -0500 From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Video Clips A friend and I were talking a few days ago...does anyone know if there are any video clips around (preferably .AVI files) of songs from the concerts? From what I've read, the concerts this year were very much like the the last couple of tours, so even when it was done probably wouldn't matter. In particular I'd love to find: Numbers Radioactivity TEE/Metal On Metal TDF I might even be open to the idea of video tape - but the only format I can deal with is NTSC, I can't use any of the PAL formats, SECAM, etc... Well, if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear from you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:28:25 From: mark weddle Subject: (kw) music masters (was Re: 1, 2, R&F) At 07:02 AM 12/6/98 PST, miffo man wrote: >Please mail this company's adress as soon as U have "secured" >your order! I've been looking for ToneFloat and R&F for a while >now, on the Germanofon label (wich is said to have a better sound >quality than other bootlegs). Many companies have the records in >their lists but they cant deliver....... ;-) Whoops! I thought I did, but I guess I didn't afterall. Here's the info: http://www.musicmast.com/ Music Masters Worldwide P.O. Box 2277 Darien, IL 60561 USA Phone: 630-515-1975 Fax: 630-515-1904 Email: romanlewis@aol.com Some of the Kraftwerk is under the 'electronic' category, but I suggest that you choose 'All Titles Sorted by Artist' instead because that will give you the full listing (it takes a while to load it up, but it will eventually load): Kraftwerk: Concert Classics Live '75 CD 17.99 Dynamo Deutschland 2CD Live '81 49.99 I Kraut Classic CD 14.99 II Kraut Classic CD 14.99 Radio Activity EMI import 14.99 Ralf And Florian '73 title, back in CD 14.99 Vor Un Metropolis 2CD, first 3 LP's + live '74, '71 CD 54.99 Organisation Tone Float '69 w/bonus track CD 14.99 They have plenty of other stuff by Neu!, Can, Amon Duul, Faust, La Dusseldorf, Harmonia, La!/Neu?, etc. I placed my order via email on Saturday, Dec. 5 and received the order on Thursday, Dec. 10 (fast!) ... I ordered I, II, Ralf and Florian (all on the Germanofon label) and Tone Float (no label info). They all sound and look great to me (I can hear some minor clicks + pops on the the latter 5 tracks of Tone Float, so those must have been mastered from vinyl). Matter of fact, I was very pleasantly suprised by how much I like this music. Reminds me of a cross between Neu!, early Pink Floyd and Can, which is just about perfect for me. Great stuff! Is the "Concert Classics Live '75" cd recommended? markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #244 *******************************