From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #378 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, January 19 2000 Volume 02 : Number 378 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:40:31 +0100 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk TV performances I just had a look at the video of the KW performance at "Mensch Meier", a TV-show from 1991. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage, moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Presenter Alfred Biolek (who was also producer) NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least the living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stage effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummies is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:50:06 -0800 From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Compilations > Space Daze 2000 >Space Daze 2000 CD >Is Kraftwerk included in all of these compilations? I know they're on the Spaze Daze 2000 disc. It's just the regular Man-Machine version of "Metropolis"... Or maybe "Spacelab"... Either way, it's a Cleopatra comp. And Cleopatra reissued some KW albums on CD a few years back. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:06:42 -0700 (MST) From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. For example, I haven't been able to get good results converting Kraftwelt's "1187" to MP3. The hihat-type percussion sounds get mangled. - -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:17:05 -0800 From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV performances Jan Reetze wrote: > In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stage > effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove > ineffective. > KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. I find it odd that Kraftwerk would stick with such a boring type of dummy even today, when Herbie Hancock's video for "Rock-it" proved the potential of robotic performance so dramatically back in the early 80's. I suppose Kraftwerk's point is that, for their type of performance, a live presence is no better than seeing the dummies. That for all we know, they pop the CD in and read a book the whole time. But, of course, even Kraftwerk doesn't actually seem to do that... the performance does differ from their recordings somewhat. And the audience is there to be entertained, after all... So why not have some more interesting and entertaining robotics that do a lively dance controlled by the actual MIDI commands that run the music. I remember being at their concert I was really curious as to what was going on on the other side of the console: the robots could be a great way to illustrate every button press, knob twist, and pedal push that our heroes execute on the stage. Implemented correctly, the robots could be sort of like the dancers that accompany more mainstream pop acts: adding energy to the performance and giving the audience something to watch. Take care. - -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:34:04 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) off topic Jarre fans, I just received this from the Jarre.com Webteam: Dear Jarre.com fan, We have added two tracks from the new "Metamorphoses" album to the PREVIEW audio player on http://www.Jarre.com. Enjoy "Hey Gagarin" and "Rendezvous A Paris". Enrique np: Thomas Dolby "Retrospectacle" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:05:33 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Compilations DER AUTOMAT wrote: >Is Kraftwerk included in all of these compilations? Yes... >Vol. 1-Electronic 80'S CD Trans Europe-Express (in Vol 2: The Model) >Electropop Essentials CD Showroom Dummies >Electro Funk Essentials CD Trans Europe-Express >Vol. 1-Perfect Beats CD/Tape/Vinyl Trans Europe-Express plus a Medley of: Numbers & Computer World > VA-Essential 12 Inches. Seventies CD Trans Europe-Express >Space Daze 2000 CD Antenna Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:37:02 -0800 From: "William Talley" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s What in the hell are you doing compressing Kraftwelt? That's too sonically challenging to encode for the horrible way we currently butcher music. Even when I encode at 320kB/s and it's still shitty - you are dead on. Highs are muted horribly and if your music is using any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still rudementary as well. Both DVD and MP3 are based on eliminating "extranious" data such as, oh the color black or any signal considered outside of human hearing. Arguments? - -Bill Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. > > I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. > If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough > for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. > > For example, I haven't been able to get good results converting > Kraftwelt's "1187" to MP3. The hihat-type percussion sounds get mangled. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:10:19 -0700 (MST) From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, William Talley wrote: > any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just > die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact > that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still > rudementary as well. Well, there is the fundamental difference that DVD is a product of evil and MP3 isn't. Personally I love MP3 because it lets me preview a lot of music that I wouldn't otherwise get to listen to. A lot of my music shopping list now comes from MP3s that I've downloaded. Anyway, I think maybe we're wandering a little bit off topic here. - -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:20:51 +0100 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Georgie@blackbox.net writes: > >Josef Gabler schrieb: =20 > >Wenigstens wissen wir jetzt, worin sie Ihr 400000.- DM EXPO-Honorar >investiert >haben... An dieser widerlichen, spiessb=FCrgerlichen und kleinkr=E4merischen Disku= ssion " 100 000 DM f=FCr 1 Sekunde Musik " m=F6chte ich mich wirklich nicht beteiligen. Das ist was f=FCr "Kunst kommt von k=F6nnen"-Leute. > =20 > >BTW, ich hab' mich ja gefragt ob das hysterische Teenie-Gekreische bei >Ihrem >Auftritt Playback war oder echt... Das war schon echt, allerdings einfach drangeschnitten und nicht in urs=E4chlichem Zusammenhang. =20 > >Gr=FC=DFe, >Georgie - ---josef > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:27:29 +0100 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview the-police@t-online.de writes: > >Hi, > >At 16:52 17.01.00 +0100, you wrote: >>habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr >>noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 >>oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? =20 > Nicht wirklich. Versuch es einfach in den verschiedensten Buchl=E4den. In Wien ist es derzeit noch problemlos zu haben. Es wird allerdings auch schon auf ebay.de zu Phantasie- preisen angeboten. =20 - ---josef > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:38:52 +0100 From: "Flattest Erik, The" Subject: (kw) exceller 8 hi! i recently bought 'exceller 8' untill then i did not know that it excisted. can someone give me an indication of its value?? i know it's not a bootleg, but what's it worth ?? flattest erik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:56:20 +0100 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:59:25 GMT From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) e2k on RTL I saw the E2K performance on RTL+ (we get it in Holland too). I only caught the last minute, but it was such a shock!!! It was very fancy, the robots with the neon suits and goggles, moving like cripples (ie barely). In the distant background you could see the real KW (in their neon suits) performing the music. The sound quality was actually a bit poor... my mother-in-law thought I was full of shit for going from Veenendaal (NL) to Emmerich (D) only to get this single. But then she would. Matt Sellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield 2 will release the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every 4.5 years. One of these radioactive substances, Krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. (Kraftwerk 1991, c 1991 Klingklang) sod that, visit me at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 !!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:31 PST From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) voice of energy > Anyone out there know of an on-line resource for the german physicist > (Eppler-Meyer?) who influenced Kraftwerk? > I am looking for info about his speech poems, like "the voice of energ= y" > from Radioactivity. > Thanks in advance. > darren You can find some ifo about Eppler-Meyer at: http://www.ikp.uni-bonn.de/en/gesch/index.html and some more at: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/melochord/ where you can download an audiofile of "Klangstudie 1" /Andr=E9as ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:01:05 +0100 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:02:43 +0100 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:52 -0500 From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s MP3 may be a "lossy" compression format, but for my money its damned close to CD quality, especially in the realm of using it for portable player purposes. a quantum leap in quality compared to cassette. ditched my walkman for a diamond rio back in the summer with no regrets!! whoever did the mp3 ing for the EXPO 2000 tracks did a decent job too. was good enough for me until i get the CD single that I burned them to CD... and for internet use, very nice.. its better than real audio (to my ears) Yes, mp3 compression does kinda whack the high end, or at least you will hear artifacting in material with LOTS of high end but it can be very interesting... i had mp3'ed one of my own songs with a bit of high end and when i listen to it, there is this very pleasant "twinkling" kind of sound on the synth pad parts that i use. Almost as if the synth was morphing on the decay or something similar.. very cool... And my equipment is bargain basement too... Mpeg 4 (microsoft's media player ASF) is supposed to be good too and from a couple of songs i've heard in it it is quite impressive but i think you're still dealing with the perceptual coding stuff too.. any info on that would be most appreciated :-) Jim J. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Soleil Lapierre" To: "Kraftwerk Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 1:06 PM Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. > > I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. > If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough > for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:08:23 -0500 From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s SHN is the way to go for audio compression, it's nearly lossless, as you just compress the .WAV files. They are unplayable until you "un-shorten" them, much like zip archives are really useless until you extract them. The downside to SHN, bigger file sizes. > Mpeg 4 (microsoft's media player ASF) is supposed to be good too > and from a couple of songs i've heard in it it is quite impressive I totally agree with you on that, Real audio is crap. >its better than real audio (to my ears) - -Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:01:53 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Lautsprecher crash Hi WERKERS: Yesterday, driving home from work on the autobahn! they played EXPO 2000 on=20= the Swedish radio, I turned the volume up, and after about one minute - POFF=20= - - That was the last sigh from my right speaker=2E Now it sounds exactly like NEWS from Radioactivity when people talk=2E THIS IS A TRUE STORY! / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:28:29 +0100 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Mild Seven International Found at http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/scan/MM=58ad613c11de52f8fd953d9321d ca34b:32:41:16:?ahoBgND8;;52 Mild Seven International (Similar to Kraftwerk) Mild Seven International ...... PULSESONIQ9328.2 USA What band is this? Is really similar to KW? TIA. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:17:53 +0100 (CET) From: Niklas Karlsson Subject: (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview Probier mal mit http://www.amazon.de/ ich habe es davon gekriegt. Niklas >=20 > the-police@t-online.de writes: > > > >Hi, > > > >At 16:52 17.01.00 +0100, you wrote: > >>habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr > >>noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 > >>oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? > =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:16:46 GMT From: "David Serjeant" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Tom W asked: anyone know what happened to The Members? I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) I think The Members are best known for their punk anthem of teenage boredom: "The Sound Of The Suburbs" Noticed HMV London Oxford Street was well stocked with vinyl editions of "Man Machine", "Radio-Activity" & "Trans-Europe Express", at the weekend. Someone posted a message the other day saying they were due out soon. Cheers! Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:43:22 -0500 From: "nsw" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Hello > I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad > Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece > "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him loving to drive and all. There's my info for the day # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:53:11 -0800 From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model >Hello > >> I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad >> Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece >> "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) > >Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in >Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol >cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. >Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him >loving to drive and all. I really like the Leningrad Cowboys, but their albums are near impossible to find in the US. I love their movie "Leningrad Cowboys Go America," and I wish that someone would see fit to release their sequel, "Leningrad Cowboys Meet Moses", here so I could see it! So what are the Cowboys up to these days? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:17:24 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk feature in THE FACE magazine UK There's a short two page feature on Kraftwerk in this months FACE magazine in the UK. Notably, it features a two page spread of photos of the Robots in outfits wearing sunglasses as on show at the Hannover museum. Ralf's seems to have a smile... - -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:09:00 +0100 From: "Charlie Crash" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s To get the best convertion to mp3 - always use the Fraunhofer method, anything else sucks! (I have tried them all at all frequencies, and the Fraunhofer method creates less normalizing, less scramble and keeps the sensitive musical material intact) The Fraunhofer algorithm is found in the program: "MPEG Layer-3 Producer" containing these files: l3prod.exe l3codecp.exe l3prod.cnt l3prod.hlp Readme.txt DeIsL1.isu Crash > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:39:24 +0100 From: "Charlie Crash" Subject: (kw) mp3 and so on... To make really good mp3's use this: http://www.geocities.com/skinnyhastrup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:18:11 -0500 From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Hello "Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him loving to drive and all." Whoops! I meant Finland - --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:10:08 +0100 From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk as "beste deutsche Szene-Band" awarded From today's ORF-Telextext (austria) page 107: *** Kraftwerk beste deutsche Szene-Band Kraftwerk ist als "beste deutsche Szene-Band aller Zeiten" ausgezeichnet worden. Die deutsche Gruppe setzte sich bei der Vergabe des ersten German Dance Award in Hamburg in der Kategorie "Alltime Hero" gegen Giorgio Moroder, Underground Resistance und Westbam durch. Au=DFerdem erhielten Da Hool, Warmdusche, Paul van Dyk, Carl Cox, Phats & Small und Paul Johnson Auszeichnungen. *** Greets from austria, Georgie - -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:17:55 -0800 From: Stephanie and Scott Richards Subject: (kw) Interkosmos Could the list member who mentioned the following artist please contact me privately with any information on how to order their cds: Fanger & Kerste "Interkosmos" (Manikin) If anyone else knows anything about them please send along info. Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:31:28 -0800 From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys >"Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in >Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol >cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. > >Whoops! I meant Finland Yes, that makes sense, considering the Leningrad Cowboys are Finnish, and also Nokia, the world's largest cell phone manufacturer, is located in Finland. Hey! Something just occured to me. Everybody's heard those little digital tunes that cellphones play. Wouldn't it be great if they played Kraftwerk songs? It would be so perfect! Imagine your cellphone ringing with a quick digital version of "Pocket Calculator" or "The Model". Kraftwerk has always talked about being musical workers, manufacturing music for the world. They should strike up a deal with Nokia! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:34:29 -0800 From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s > > any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just > > die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact > > that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still > > rudementary as well. > > Well, there is the fundamental difference that DVD is a product of evil > and MP3 isn't. Your personal opinion is invalid. The fact that the media is compressed and becomes significantly different from the original form makes it inferior. > Personally I love MP3 because it lets me preview a lot of music that I > wouldn't otherwise get to listen to. A lot of my music shopping list now > comes from MP3s that I've downloaded. > Anyway, I think maybe we're wandering a little bit off topic here. Again, your opinion is that MP3 compression has nothing to do with our interest in Kraftwerk. How so? You admit that MP3 is your preferred meathod of downloading music, and we are all here for our love of music - - and the particulars of these two concepts intermingle. And you have NO MP3's of Kraftwerk? Yeah, right. My personal opinion is that I HATE when people attempt to shut off dialogue because they have nothing to share with the rest of the group. - -Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:45:05 +0100 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) German Dance Award Die deutsche Band Kraftwerk ist beim ersten "German Dance Award" in Hamburg als beste deutsche Szene-Band aller Zeiten ausgezeichnet worden. Die Elektronik-Rocker setzten sich gegen Giorgio Moroder, Underground-Resistance und Westbam durch. (...) quoted from HH1-Text (Teletext of Hamburg1-TV) 20.01.00, p. 119. see also www.hamburg1.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #378 *******************************