From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #425 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, May 16 2000 Volume 02 : Number 425 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:58:10 -0400 From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: (kw) New CD Where will the Americans be ordering this from? Would you kindly let me know how you went about it and how much the total cost came out to. Thank you. Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:13:22 -0400 From: Mike Markowski Subject: Re: (kw) New CD On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:58:10AM -0400, "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" wrote: > > Where will the Americans be ordering this from? Would you kindly let me > know how you went about it and how much the total cost came out to. Thank > you. http://www.cdzone.co.uk is the cheapest place I've found so far. With shipping, it comes out to around US $15. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:45:04 +0100 From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) Well, well, well. My excitement of receiving that Inroduction to KW from Music-Non-Stop.co.uk rapidly turned to massive disappointment of Rosanne Arnold proportions this morning as soon as I popped the CD in the player. The 2 "demos" of Hall of Mirrors and Das Modell sound exactly as if the originals have been put though a filter and a tack beat box(and a few other bits) have been overdubbed on top. This is going to sound horrible ....but a lot of the tracks seem to be as if Komputer had decided to fart about in the studio and throw in some KW samples for a laugh. The bigest question for me sems to be: Why do all the tracks have what sounds like vinyl noise on them? Even the stuff reported as being offcuts from the Mix sessions have this on (despite being recorded digitally??). Surely R&F didn't send a vinyl acetate for mastering? I think if these were genuine selections by the robotmen, I think the next release we might get could well be Ralf farting info a microphone while Florian's robovox recites "Deutchland Uber Alles." Sorry for this lurker-ramble, but I felt I had to say something :-) As a final thought....if this release is official, why do they include the trans-litigation-expess of Wolfgangs book in the biblioography? Hmmmm....somethings fishy is going on here methinks! Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:52:36 +0100 From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) Fw: New Kraftwerk Release Just rechecked my mail and found this interesting message from MNS.co.uk >Hi there > >It has come to our attention that the new Kraftwerk CD/Book "A Short >Introduction To Kraftwerk" is a OFFICIAL Sonic Books release of what may be >previously released bootleg material, and not new unearthed studio tracks as >was originally told to us and passed on to you. All the information we >received on this release was taken from a reputable, reliable source and was >passed on in good faith to Kraftwerk fans. If never has or will be MNS' >intention to mislead, as this statement confirms. > >Your order has now been dispatched. If you have any reservations at all >about this item, please do not hesitate to get in touch. > >Kind regards >Phil >MNS > The stench of fishy goings on is now unbearable Ta ta for now Alien dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:57:06 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: FW: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) It's a shoddy piece of work all through. People wanting an intro to KW's music would be better off spending their money on Pascal Bussy's book. PS The footnote on the copyright page made me laugh: "The publisher is at the disposal of all parties involved for any aspect falling within his competences". Yeah, but does that cover incompetence too? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:52:16 -0700 From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) I CAN believe it's not Hutter (Or Schneider) >The bigest question for me sems to be: Why do all the >tracks have what sounds like vinyl noise on them? Even the stuff reported as >being offcuts from the Mix sessions have this on (despite being recorded >digitally??). Surely R&F didn't send a vinyl acetate for mastering? As Adam Read pointed out earlier, there exists a vinyl bootleg with an identical track listing, called "Edition 3". It can be viewed at: http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html Hmm... That information about copyright expiration DID seem a bit suspicious... The press release referred to the tracks as all being 20 years old, even though many are supposedly from "The Mix". I already put in my order at Amazon.co.uk, but it has a 4-6 week availability. Perhaps they put it on hold to investigate its legitimacy as well? ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:01:51 +0100 From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) A short intro I feel deflated. It just goes to show how lax the copyright laws are in Italy. Shoddy, Shoddy, Shoddy Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:07:13 -0700 From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) More thoughts about bootlegs Another idea that has occured to me: I wonder if Kraftwerk are responsible for any of their bootlegs? This is a conspiracy-theory idea, but entertain it for a moment... Imagine that Ralf and Florian DID want to reissue their first three albums, but had some legal problem or wouldn't be able to earn any money from it. So, they master one of their clean vinyl copies and put it out secretly. It always seemed strange to me that there were two (well, three now) CD bootleg issues of the early albums. The versions with the bonus tracks were badly mastered, but the Germanofone versions sound great, and the bootleggers were very careful to faithfully reproduce the album art. Doesn't it seem odd that two different bootleggers would put out those albums simultaniously? Plus, Germanofon issued "Ralf & Florian" with the comic book reproduction, whereas the shoddy bootleggers issued "Tone Float"... An album that KW probably wouldn't be interested in reissuing anyway. I'm not trying to start any wild rumors here... But I do wonder about such things... :> ---Jason Polland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:53:55 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Mail problems -> Resent email The Kraftwerk email list server seems to be ignoring me today. Had it been playing ball, you would all have known a bit more about 'An Introduction to Kraftwerk' 11 hours ago! I'll resend all my emails - with my apologies if you now get the info twice. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:55:02 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' (resend) Richard Marston wrote: > > I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I didn't mention MNS in my email, but that's where I got my copy too. I have raised the matter with them and they are looking into it seriously. There will be news soon, I think; in the meantime, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they were misadvised. > K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the > internet section! :) It was the links page, so in a way, everyone else's site is listed too. ;-) (I have more URLS to add - will do so ASAP). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:54:03 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) A short intro On Tue, 16 May 2000 19:01:51 +0100, Paul Martland wrote: >the copyright laws are in >Italy. > Do you know that many or most of the bootlegs are made or printed in Italy? So, it's not surprising after al... What I don't understand is , how can they make so much publicity on Web sites (Even the NME have published it!) I have still ordered my copy but I know that It may be disappointing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:55:49 -0400 From: "CAPUTO, LISA (X75918)" Subject: RE: (kw) Mail problems -> Resent email I sent this earlier but I don't think it went through. Oh, and I think I might not be getting that new release. I think I'll go by your recommendations! *** Sorry for the non-KW message, but I thought some of you might be interested in listening to this radio station that plays some 80s alternative (it was my favorite station during my teen years on Long Island, NY. Ah, how I loved radio back then. *sigh*). I'm so upset because they had an awesome 80s flashback lunch hour that I listened to at my desk at work every day and they recently discontinued it! The music was really good (i.e, omd, killing joke, depeche mode, yaz, clash, costello, new order, B-52s, etc. -- not Cyndi Lauper, etc.). It was great, it was like being in high school again for an hour each day, just how radio used to be. They claim that they still play a lot of 80s stuff, but I don't get into the office until 9:30 so I haven't heard the show yet. For those of you who are interested, it's at www.wlir.com/ You could request some Kraftwerk! If anyone knows of any other 80s-oriented radio shows, please let me know. Thanks. Lisa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:02:19 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' Richard Marston wrote: > > I have just received a copy of this compilation album from MNS this morning. I didn't mention MNS in my email, but that's where I got my copy too. I have raised the matter with them and they are looking into it seriously. There will be news soon, I think; in the meantime, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they were misadvised. > K. Busby will be pleased to see his website is the only one listed in the > internet section! :) It was the links page, so in a way, everyone else's site is listed too. ;-) (I have more URLS to add - will do so ASAP). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:57:29 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) More thoughts about bootlegs Your point is interesting. The strange thing about these Germanofon boots is that they were available, at least in France, in very respectable record stores. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:58:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Ayone going to Roskilde Festival 2000? Hey all I was wondering if any of you guys (most likely the european) are going to Roskilde Festival? If so, iI thought that it would be interesting to see the persons behind the names.. I'm working at Roskilde Festival, and my working place will, most likely, be backstage guard @ Tech 1 or Tech 2. Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:38:43 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) W*rk*ng ar**nd br*k*n l*st See http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/1 http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/2 http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/broken/3 ... ta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:12:19 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kaspar=20Larsen?= Subject: (kw) Who's going to Roskilde Festival 2000? A bit off topic perhaps, but are any of you guys going to Roskilde Festival 2000? I sure would like a face to put on the names, and since Kraftwerk played there 2 years ago (my first KW experience BTW) it would be great to remember those moments once again. Since I'll be working @ Roskilde Festival I will have acces to the festival site before any of public audience will.. Another thing is, that I will be working as a guard @ Tech 1 or 2 (techno stages) Kaspar D. Larsen ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Få en gratis @yahoo.dk-adresse på http://mail.yahoo.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:40:39 +0200 From: Johannes Subject: (kw) Hi everybody Hello folks! Seems that am new at this list, I'm from sweden and... enough of that. In the disscussion about the bootlegs of the first 4 albums I have a question, what about the "new" (maybe they are not so new) releases of them, I have the Germanofon versions, but some months ago I saw them released again in some italy version, "crow records". Are these official or yet another bootleg version? The sound quality sounds better than the germanofons with lesser surface noise, but the Cover printings are worse. And if they are "bootleg" why thus so many record stores have them? (here in sweden that is) //Johannes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:29:05 -0500 From: sarahgri@interlog.com Subject: (kw) Please help... if you have a moment! Hello all! Sorry I haven't said anything in a while - I have a pile of Kraftwerk digests to wade through! Anyway, the reason for this message is a request for any hardcore fans out there to grant me some insight into all the Kraftwerk songs that have been sampled (and by whom), and a list of major artists/songs that have ripped off the Dusseldorfian quartet. I'm doing a project on them for my media class in school, and although I have the Pascal Bussy book, I'd also like more recent information and perhaps some deeper, fan-based insight. And was it Schumann who wrote the 'Merry Peasant'? Sorry, I can't remember. I'd like to talk about that and how much it sounds like 'Airwaves'. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kling Klang! - -Sarah :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ __ _ //\\/__ \ \ There's nothing more uplifting than listening \_ //__\\ /\\/\ to 'Trans Europe Express' whilst riding along // \ /__\\ \ on the subway, jumping from train car to train /___ / \ car... try it! / / # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:05:45 +0100 From: "massimotorik" Subject: (kw) Hello Hi all, I just joined the list and I'm really glad I did before splashing out on 'that' CD. What a shame... On a similar subject I've just received a white label of three (housey / electro) remixes of Expo 2000 by Abe Duque. Does anyone have any information on these? Were they comissioned and then not released? Who is Abe Duque? If you haven't seen this record, don't worry - the mixes ain't a patch on the Kraftwerk originals (surprise, surprise). Cheers, Massimo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:09:32 -0400 From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) Cover Songs Would love to hear KW's take on (this may sound oh-so-obvious, but why not?) NewOrder's Blue Monday... :op /home/lunarpark-1/Jim J. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Wahlbom" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Cover Songs On Sun, 14 May 2000, Jason Kiplinger wrote: > I wish KW would do a bunch of cover songs from some 80's Industrial ban= ds > like "Smothered Hope" By Skinny Puppy (1984) and "Everyday Is Halloween= " By > Ministry (1984). Ohhh Well, i guess i'll keep on dreaming. I have dreams like that sometimes, such as Skinny Puppy doing Enya's "Orinoco Flow" or Enya covering "Der Mussolini". I usually wake up soakin= g wet and gibbering incoherently. As if anyone would notice the difference. ;-) > Anyone else has some 80's songs you think KW can cover? Let us know..... Well... Liaisons Dangereuses' "Los Ni=F1os Del Parque", Mot=F6rhead's "Ac= e Of Spades", Landscape's "Norman Bates"... Hmm, the latter might actually work, don't you think? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: (kw) Eurovision Song Contest (again) While on the topic of ESC2K, I would just like to add that the videoscreens (although one too many and a bit more mobile) made me a bit KW-nostalgic... :u) So, can anyone else think of any more ways KW might have influenced this event? / Christofer - --- Christofer Bernander Tfn: 0708-116000 http://www.alienoid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:01:02 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Sources ??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Telex" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 7:35 AM Subject: (kw) Sources ??? > El Doctore Jones posted : > > >>>>>>"... new kw album 2 be released in july / aug. 2000 ! +++ workin' > >>>>>>title so far : "network" ! +++ kw will play @ expo 2000 after > >>>>>>releasin' the album in sept. 2000 ! +++ possibly even more concer= ts in > >>>>>>2000 & 2001 ! +++" > > > Who are your sources ? well ... i dreamed about kw doin' this !!! *LOL* ;-))) okay ! jus' kiddin' !!! SORRY !!! my source is a guy called ( prof. ) florian schneider-esleben !!! ;-) maybe u'll remember him as beein' part of the legendary electronic (dance)music pioneers from d=FCsseldorf in germany called kraftwerk , eh !?!?!? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-) > Just curious. :-) > > - Josh > Mr. Telex - "Data Mensch" > ICQ # 42651237 > AOL IM - Neurovision 7 > > "At first, it would seem to you that it is all too good to be true; tha= t you > will be ravaged in the end. But as time lingers forward, the eyes of yo= ur > soul will slowly be opened and the light in your heart will shine forth the > beginning of a new dawn. Know now that the words that have been uttered= in > your presence are indeed that of the truth. " > - Circle In The Square *hehehe* ;-))) that's a nice little "story" !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) a.k.a. el doctore jones ;-) or the "incredible" micronaut ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:00:33 +0000 From: lpmj@att.net Subject: [none] In a message dated 5/13/00 9:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, josefgabler@magnet.at writes: << The homophobic outrage that we has seen on the mailinglist these last >days What would you media-controlled idiots do without the word "homophobe"??? Just because a person doesn't have your positive view of homosexuality, you have to scream "homophobe". Have you ever heard of freedom of thought and speech? How about freedom of religion? What if a person's religious beliefs tells them homosexuality is WRONG and UNNATURAL and a SIN??? In your eyes, is a person allowed to hold those opinions? For the time being, here in America, we still have freedom of speech, no matter how hard the media tries to control our behaviour by deciding what is and isn't acceptable beliefs and speech. I don't know where YOU live, but why not move to Cuba or some other rat hole where you can't speak your mind. You'd fit right in...until YOU were the one being insulted and shouted down for YOUR beliefs. As long as I'm on a roll here...I'd rather NOT know the sexual preferences of Kraftwerk because, if I found out one or all were homosexuals, my opinion of them would drop dramatically. If you don't like that, you can shove it. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:40:43 GMT From: "Romulus Giovanni" Subject: (kw) Russian in Numbers Hey Guys, I think (though I'm not sure) that in "Numbers" at the very end where they are counting 1-2-3 in Russian, they are actually saying "ritz dva tri" rather than "aydjin dva tri". Zamir ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:12:44 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: RE: (kw) Essential New Kraftwerk Release On Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:01 +0200, Der Automat wrote: >I think this record is NOT official at all. Almost every bootlegs claim to >be official "Kling Klang / EMI Produkt" or so. >I'm very sceptic with all these ads. I'm afraid you are right... Even if it's advertized in many Web sites : dotmusic.com, etc.... also, read the following article posted in alt.music.kraftwerk. From: Thorsten Newsgroups: alt.music.kraftwerk Subject: Kraftwerk NEW Release Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:44:06 +0200 Sorry I want to tell you that I have the "short introduction cd" now (not "no") and I`am absolutely sure, that the material is KRAFTWERK, but the versions are not by KRAFTWERK. The CD has not a very good sound and you can hear vinyl-scrates between the songs!!! Very sad Thorsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:44:38 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! > Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get any of > the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing list? Then again > how could it be authenticated? Has anybody else had this idea?, Probably so > > Christian ;-) hi chris ! "somebody" of "them" is still on this mailin' list i suppose !!! ;-) but if u ask about authentication ... well ... DON'T ASK ME !!! *hehehe* ;-))) btw : kw will always be a mystery & very enigmatic indeed !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:00:29 +0200 From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) This is about KW !!!! An idea!!!! Actually, on Oct 20, 1997, someone pretending to be Florian Schneider posted this message to the list: - ---quote--- KLING KLANG - ---end quote--- causing a flood of excitement and scepticism as for example: - - That's all you have to say?? When will the new album be - - released? =3D) - - well, i think the first question in this case is, how can we we proof - - that this person is really Florian Schneider ? - - WELCOME TO THE LIST, FLORIAN. YOU JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HAPPY WE ARE - - THAT YOU HAVE JOINED OUR LIST. WE HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT. - - Do u really think that is our real Florian Schneider? - - I think that is only a joke of someone. - - I=B4m sure that THEY read this mail list but they - - never join to the list using a hotmail freemail. - - If I was as famous as Florian, I would *never* use my real email - - address for public. - - Can ANYone actually believe this is REALLY Florian Schneider- or just a - - cruel joke from a "fan" to give us all a massive heart attack?? - - I for one think it's really Florian posting to the list in a way that - - some doubts still remain. Very KW in style. And so on... ciao, *luca* > Would it be possable at some point in time for someone to maybe get any= of > the members of KW to make a guest apperence on this mailing list? Then again > how could it be authenticated? Has anybody else had this idea? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:53:52 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Review: 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' Adam Read wrote: > There was a vinyl bootleg around a while ago called 'Kraftwerk - edition 3' > which according to the tracklist found at > http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html > has the same tracklist as this new Italian CD. Hi Adam, well spotted. I received my copy of 'A Short Introduction to Kraftwerk' this morning, and gave it a quick listen. A quick listen was enough to tell that it was a collection of poor quality remixes, complete with record surface noise; and now I know from which LP the record company rerecorded it. Here's what you get (IMHO): (1) 'It's More Fun to Compute' Quite an imaginative remix. A vocoded voice intones 'L'homme machine' throughout most of the track: this is the sort of thing amateur remixers do, not Kraftwerk. Vinyl noise at end. (2) 'Kristallo' Kraftwerk's rhythms and sounds has become so stereotyped that it's easy for a remixer to knock up a sound-alike track. This one samples part of 'Kristallo' and adds a vocoded voice repeating the word "Kraftwerrrrk". Cheese. Vinyl noise. (3) 'Autobahn' A sample from the original introduces a lurching rhythm. This is manifestly not how Ralf & Florian handle their old works. (4) 'Showroom Dummies' Cheap drum machine sounds (unlike any sound Kraftwerk would stoop to use) introduce a sample of the original - which is at a different tempo! Towards the end the volume suddenly shoots up into distortion, then is quickly faded out. A disgustingly inept "remix" which probably took ten minutes to throw together. (5) 'Radioactivity' A standard techno, not technopop, riff introduces samples from the original. Boring in the extreme. A clumsy fade-out, followed by record clicks and hum. (6) 'Uranium' An uninspired ambient techno piece which samples Kraftwerk's track of the same name. (7) 'The Model' A horribly equalised sample from 'The Model' plus a dissonant riff utterly unlike anything by Kraftwerk. I haven't waded through all of the 84-page booklet, so will withhold comments on that for the moment. All credit to them for having the taste to include the URL of my links page ;-D but the FAQ will have to be upgraded to reflect that this CD is emphatically _not_ the collection of "previously unreleased NEW version[s] of 7 Kraftwerk classics, never before heard on any album or compilation! 45 minutes of EXCLUSIVE versions of timeless classics"... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:30:49 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Newbie - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: (kw) Newbie > I am brand new to this list. I'll introduce myself. My name is Lisa, I'm > 33 years old. hi lisa !!! ;-) u r 1 of the few "girls" here i suppose !!! ;-))) so WELCOME 2 THIS LIST !!! ;-) i sincerely hope u'll enjoy your stay here !!! ;-) btw : my nickname or pseudonym here is oh jay a.k.a. micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ( i'm a mail ... err ... male ROBOT !!! ;-))) i'm 33 ( rpm !!! ;-))) years old 2 & from a state & town called bremen in northern germany !!! ;-) > I've been listening to Kraftwerk since I was in junior high > school. I bought my first Kraftwerk album (Computer World) in 10th grade, > although I'd heard them on the radio (Trans Europe Express) years before > that. They've always been one of my faves (and I don't like that much music > out there -- for being such a huge music fan I have a small CD collection). > I've always been very selective (I really wore out my B-52s & Devo albums, > too). I went to a "heavy metal" high school, and no one else liked this > stuff (I'm not exaggerating). My friends would say, "How can you listen to > this shit?" so I was always alone in it, I was in my own cocoon. I guess > it's different these days, "alternative" was truly underground then, but > it's all anyone would listen to these days. Anyway, I've always thought > Kraftwerk were geniuses. I get into a Kraftwerk phase maybe once a year. > It's transcendental. I've been blasting their CDs in my car for weeks. > They'll always be very special to me, I still need to listen to them after > all this time. There's nothing like it (is there?). They are so brilliant. > I'm glad I found this list, so I can finally "express" to someone how I feel > about them. That might sound corny. I've never even met anyone else in my > life who likes them. > > For the heck of it I just decided to look up some websites on them, and I > see that there are albums that I'd never heard of. The sites made me feel > like I've been really out of it! Some fan, huh? I never followed them or > read anything about them. I'd just assumed they broke up years ago. I > guess I simply just purchased what I found in the bins in the commercial > record stores over the years. That is the only way I "kept up" with them. > I never even heard them on the radio ever again (I was a teen in NY last > time I heard them on the radio). If there's anything juicy out there you > think I missed and think I should get (videos, articles, etc.), please tell > me. I have no idea what they're up to now. Thanks! write me back if u like & i'll tell u more about my kw experience !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:32:36 CEST From: "dirk jan müller" Subject: (kw) "new" KW-release Some said the tracks on the "new KW-release" are the same as on the edition-3 Bootleg. They are also in the same order. Therefor these versions are not by KW?!? useless crap? Can someone put mp3-samples of some tracks to the net, so we can verify this before buying? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:51:31 +0200 From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: Re: (kw) 'a short introduction to KRAFTWERK' I'm really interested to know about the tracklisting. /aw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:46:03 GMT From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) is it real? >From what you two (Kevin and Richard) have said already, you don't sound too hopeful that this is a genuine article. Particularly Richards last post about the songs sounding unfinished/going nowhere. I have a theory - perhaps these are tracks emi rejected, although they still owned them, which is why they have been unlreleasable for so long. I am thinking that, of course, these tracks are 'for real', as I don't wish to dash my hopes too soon! I wait expectantly for my copy, so I cannot make any first-hand observations yet, but consider my proposition. If you compare, for example, the demo of music-non-stop, with the original, one can hear vague similarities with the one we are familiar with, but it also has these qualities you speak of - poor quality (damn, repetition) and a focus which is non-descript. I'm probably just babbling in the hope that I find the answer amongst my rambling, talking, talking. I'm talking.... urm Comments welcome ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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