From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Friday, June 23 2000 Volume 02 : Number 445 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:54:00 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Videography: About that Mix 'video' I ordered this a while ago from www.yalplay.com and subsequently got this reply: "Unfortunately the item detailed below is out of stock with our supplier. We have placed this order again and will keep you informed of the status of the order when we have more news. Sorry for any inconvenience caused." The company now trades under the name of Boxman and still lists this item: http://rpp.boxman.com/rpp/video/default.asp?shop=570&dept=1 I suspect this is/was some kind of bootleg video compilation -- I mean, who's "Pmi"? Sounds a bit like the sort of rhyming slang bootleggers indulge in. :-) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:16:38 +0200 From: "machina" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk-Media-Center you can find the center here: http://key.madison.tec.wi.us/kraftwerk-media-center/ Claudio Claudio Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de ex machina http://www.machina-online.de http://www.mp3.com/machina http://www.besonic.com/machina http://www.mp3.de/home/machina # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:11:01 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut TdF Quoted from MNS Newsletter #24: Senor Coconut - Tour De France This is the taster single release for the upcoming 'EL BAILE ALEMAN' (A Latin Tribute to Kraftwerk) album by Lassigue Bendthaus/Atomheart-project SENOR COCONUT. The CD-single contains 4 tracks, a special Merengue Radio version of 'Tour de France', the regular album-version plus two NON-album-tracks: Expo 2000 (Mambo Original + Mambo Instrumental mix). CDS Senor Coconut - Tour De France Vinyl version contains 5 tracks including two 'Tour de France' re-mixes by DJ Good Groove, well known through his Pulse project on Harthouse, the two Expo 2000 mixes and the album-version of Tour de France. 12" End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:44:57 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Videography Dirk Boettcher wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a Videography of all Kraftwerk promo-videos > available on internet? There was a Kraftwerk promo videos article at Aktivitaet fanzine online http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/, but much to my/our dismay this site doesn't work any longer ... or it does? Ian? Nonetheless try http://website.lineone.net/%7Emike.pitt/tdk.htm (KW video archive) and http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kw/video/index.html DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:55:54 -0600 From: "Mike Henderson" Subject: (kw) Re: Thanks >A big thank you to Mike Henderson, Farkas Zsolt and Josef Gabler for >your CDR trades with me. I appreciate it, guys! > >Jason Nuckels :-) My pleasure, Jason! Here's some good-trader praise back at you... I'll second that nice comment about Farkas Zsolt (Farki) -- he's a patient and friendly guy. Actually this is the only mail list where I've yet to have a bad trade. Kudos to KW fans! Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:59:36 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) What Sonic Books had to say about THAT cd "Legnano, June 13th, 2000. Dear Mr. E. Xxxxxxx, I'm responding to your strange letter of 20th May 2000 for the simply reason I'm the editor of SonicBook series. We made a book about Kraftwerk giving FREE a CD. If you like it or not is not our problem. If Music Non Stop presented it as an official Kraftwerk CD is not our problem (why didn't you returned the book to them?). We gave the CD free, we are publishers. So, what do you want from us? When you buy a piece of cheese and you don't like it what do you do, give it back to the shop? Ciao, Gigi Marinoni - C.P. 190 - 20025 Legnano - MI - Italy." What a bunch of cowboys, IMO. (Thanks to Edwin from the EMI Gastbuch forum for letting me quote the letter.) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:52:15 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) What Sonic Books had to say about THAT cd Richard Marston wrote: > When you buy a piece of cheese and you don't like it what do you do, > give it back to the shop? Ciao, Gigi Marinoni - C.P. 190 - 20025 Legnano - > MI - Italy." :-D A straightforward answer, although the choice of the analogy "a piece of cheese" may be unfortunate. K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:20:46 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) re: Kraftwerk in the charts On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:41:50 +0300, Roger wrote: >The Model / Computer Love was #1 in England on the chart dated 6 February >1982. > Strange is only charted in 82.... Was is released as a single in the UK in 1978? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:31:48 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) What Sonic Books had to say about THAT cd I think there reply is very rude . Because first, they wouldn't have sold the book alone without the CD . and according to what some people have told here, this book is a poor remake of Pascal Bussy's. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:59:30 EDT From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk-Media-Center In a message dated 6/21/00 8:18:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chir3301@uni-trier.de writes: << you can find the center here: http://key.madison.tec.wi.us/kraftwerk-media-center/ Claudio Claudio Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de ex machina http://www.machina-online.de http://www.mp3.com/machina >> Thank you very much!!!!! :-))) I had lost that address and was wandering where I could find it but I didn't know how to ask which sight it was. Many thanx!!!!! ;-) B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:14:24 -0200 From: Priscila Morsoletto Subject: (kw) Re: MPEG Video from New York 1998 On 21 Jun 00 at 11:24, dirk jan m=FCller wrote: >Does anybody know where the KW-Media-Center is now? Are these CD-R still >available from Pete? >Or is there anyone on the list who has a copy for trading??? I've two CD-R's from the Media Center with clips (not the one with the New= York 1998) for trade or sell. Also I did make MPGs from their concert in R= io de Janeiro 1998 - it is NOT the full concert and include an interview with= Florian. Please contact me privately for details. Cheers, Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:32:36 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) MP3 Files - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tnoise" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:56 PM Subject: (kw) MP3 Files > Where can I find MP3 Files of the 2 unrealeased sounds Kraftwerk > performed in their last US tour? oh ! well ... did they really jus' played 2 unreleased "sounds" on their last us tour ??? *ROTFLOL* ;-))) okay , okay !!! jus' kiddin' , mate !!! *G+* ;-) mail me in private & i'll send u 1 or 2 linx where u can download these desired mp3 files !!! *sly_grin* ;-) however ... many *sunny* & *very_hot* greetinx from venlo in holland where i'm currently WERKin' !!! yours sincerely , micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:02:45 +0200 From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) "The Mix" Video I found this on boxman.com (previously IMVS.com) Name : Mix Artist : Kraftwerk Label : Pmi Catalogue Number : MVP9912943 Price : =A310.49 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:18:52 +0100 From: Mats Kadmark Subject: (kw) New mp3s uploaded... Hi,=20 =20 I just uploaded two mp3s to my KW-page, as=20 always in very good sound quality.=20 =20 It's more fun to compute=20 [ Live Tokyo - 1981 ] 7.5 Mb=20 =20 Les Mannequins=20 [ French version of=20 Showroom Dummies - 1977 ] 5.6 Mb=20 =20 By for now!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk=20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:45 +0100 From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) The Model Strange is only charted in 82.... Was is released as a single in the UK in 1978? It was released for a 2nd time in England in 82 as the Flip side of if memory serves of home computer. DJs started to play the flip and it climbed up the charts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:54:04 BST From: "John Shilcock" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk-Media-Center Christian wrote, >Thank you very much!!!!! :-))) I had lost that address and was wandering >where I could find it but I didn't know how to ask which sight it was. If ever I forget a site I tend to go here first: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/links.html Hi Kevin *waves* Keep Werking John Shilcock http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dawn/KeepWerk/index.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:15:55 BST From: "John Shilcock" Subject: Re: (kw) The Model Paul Martland" wrote: >It was released for a 2nd time in England in 82 as the Flip side of if >memory serves of home computer. DJs started to play the flip and it climbed >up the charts. Other side of the Model was Computer Love. I think you'll find this was released in 1981 but topped the charts early in 1982. Keep Werking John Shilcock http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dawn/KeepWerk/index.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:41:25 -0400 From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: (kw) Das Model Does anyone know where I can find / have available a .MP3 of Das Model? I have part of it here, but unfortunately the tape it was taped on ran out before the song did. Thank you in advance for your help! Huggy Bear visit my FTP site: ftp://24.7.251.51 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:37:43 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Tone Float >What is the definitely right price for an original copy in mint >condition of "Tone Float"? Talking about "Tone Float" and to whom it may concern: I have a spare copie of this cassette to swap or sell. Mail me privately if interested. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:22 +0200 From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) The Model Paul Martland wrote: > > Strange is only charted in 82.... > > Was is released as a single in the UK in 1978? Not so strange, Kraftwerk toured the world in '81, the Computerworld Tour. Only then did Kraftwerk get some wider exposure and did the general public notice The Model is quite a neat song. Of course it was released on single in '78. I bought the single here back then ('78) in The Netherlands, in a nice Man Machine style cover (5C 006.85673) A: The Model B: The Man Machine In '78 The Robots/Spacelab was released in a plain cover. The best thing about singles I find that you can play them on 33 RPM, which is nice, and different. Rick Jansen - -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:27:44 EDT From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk-Media-Center & a question about money orders!!! In a message dated 6/22/00 4:54:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcsatujp@hotmail.com writes: << If ever I forget a site I tend to go here first: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/links.html Hi Kevin *waves* Keep Werking John Shilcock http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dawn/KeepWerk/index.htm >> Hey thanx much!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) I really appreciate it!!!!!!!! :-) Does any body in the US know how to get an international money order? I can't seem to find anywhere that does this!!!!! :-( I would like to get KW's live at the Tribal Gathering!!!!!!!! That's the only way that sister ray's does business!!!!!!!!!!!! :-( B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:32:52 GMT From: robot@average.nu (Roboten) Subject: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) I received a letter today from "Von Geyso & Dierkes Rechtsanw=E4lte" who tells me that my use of the domain "kraftwerk.org" infringes Kraftwerks rights in trademark, copyright of titles and their rights to the use of a name They want me to stop 1) to use the domain-name "kraftwerk.org", 2) to offer/let offer, copy/let copy and distribute/let distribute musical recordings in form of mp3 files from the "Kraftwerk repertoire",especially (Roboten - Expo 2014 remix, Erik Oehler - Computer Love; SYSTEM - The plan) without permission of Mr. Ralf H=FCtter and Florian Schneider-Esleben. and to pay the bill of charges: amount in dispute: 200.000,00 DM (Don't know if I have to pay those 97000 US $) 7,5/10 Gesch=E4ftsgeb=FChr =A7=A7 11, 118 I 1 BRAGO 2.073,80 DM 3/10 Erh=F6hungsgeb=FChr gem. =A7 6 BRAGO auf 7,5/10 622,20 DM Post - / Telekommunikationsentgelte =A7 26 BRAGO 40 DM 16,00 % Mehrwertsteuer =A7 25 II BRAGO 437,76 DM Tot 3.173,76 DM Which means about 1000 UK Pounds or 1500 US $ I used to love this group and have done so for over ten years.=20 Now I have to sell all their records to pay a bill for being a devoted fan. The songs available in MP3 is not even original Kraftwerk material, they're covers and I've mention that the original tracks is copyrighted.=20 PLEASE HELP ME IN THIS MATTER!!! If Ralf/Florian or near friends of Kraftwerk is reading this.,. PLEASE REPLY!. YOU'RE TAKING MY LIFE AWAY.=20 "We're functioning automatic and now we're suing fans and things we are the lawyers" /Roboten aka Martin Rundqvist # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:41:39 +0200 From: Timour JGENTI Subject: (kw) Mini Calculateur? Hi, Is there any place on the net to find the french version of Pocket Calculator? Would be great if someone who have it would put its mp3 online... :) For my part I only have a poor quality ra file I downloaded somewhere. This version isn't that interesting, with less lyrics, but it looks now like the rariest item to find! am I wrong? - -- Timour JGENTI ______________________ GEOMATH tel: 01.47.08.80.86 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:42:04 -0400 From: "Huggy Bear" Subject: (kw) Fw: Das Model - ----- Original Message ----- From: Huggy Bear To: Kraftwerk Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Das Model > Does anyone know where I can find / have available a .MP3 of Das Model? I > have part of it here, but unfortunately the tape it was taped on ran out > before the song did. > > Thank you in advance for your help! > > Huggy Bear > visit my FTP site: > ftp://24.7.251.51 > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:39:55 +0200 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Thanks JandSNuckels@webtv.net writes: > >A big thank you to Mike Henderson, Farkas Zsolt and Josef Gabler for >your CDR trades with me. I appreciate it, guys! > >Jason Nuckels :-) Hi Jason! Did you get it? Hope you enjoyed it... Regards - ---joseph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:30:23 +0200 From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Thank you for the info, Roboten! That induced me to ban that K-word from my homepage. Could become expensive otherwise. I'm wondering that the list-owner hasn't been sued yet. It's still the K********-email-list. Perhaps (s)he has to rename or even to erase it. R+F, was soll das??? a gradually former-fan Gunnar Roboten wrote: > > I received a letter today from "Von Geyso & Dierkes Rechtsanwälte" who > tells me that my use of the domain "kraftwerk.org" infringes > Kraftwerks rights in trademark, copyright of titles and their rights > to the use of a name # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:23:32 +0200 From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Well, grabbing a domain name simply is not done. Can't you imagine what Kraftwerk feels if you use kraftwerk.org AND use it the same way they do? You're trying to sit on their chair. I'm a bit surprised it's legal action right away. I would have expected a request first, then if you don't compy: legal action. Are you sure you never received any communication regarding this matter before? I'm not surprised a bit that they want the distribution of MP3's stopped. In fact, the trading of MP3's could be threatening this mailing list even= , if the list is seen as a platform for the exchange of such things... Regarding legal stuff, I'm utterly surprised that the bootlegs of Kraftwe= rk 1 and 2, Ralf&Florian and Tonefloat are still widely available in decent record stores, for a few years now. Even in Virgin Megastores, CDNOW and=20 the like! If it's about money then Kraftwerk could have easily stopped th= e distribution and release thise records themselves. Well, maybe the master= tapes are lost or degraded too much, they're about 30 years old now. I guess Sonic Books will receive a letter from Von Geyso & Dierkes Rechtsanw=E4lte too...=20 Rick Jansen > Roboten wrote: > > > > I received a letter today from "Von Geyso & Dierkes Rechtsanw=E4lte" = who > > tells me that my use of the domain "kraftwerk.org" infringes > > Kraftwerks rights in trademark, copyright of titles and their rights > > to the use of a name __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:30:17 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) About those bootlegged early albums Does anybody know what the legal situation is regarding those pre-Autobahn albums? Why are record shops like Tower able to display/sell them when they are, in effect, counterfeits? Even amazon.com sells them. One of the people from NEU! (Dinger or Rother, I can't remember which) keeps sounding off about how their early 70s albums have been reissued without his permission and the fact that he doesn't get any royalties from their current sales; presumably it's exactly the same for R+F.=20 Rick Jansen wrote: "If it's about money then Kraftwerk could have easily stopped the distribution and release these records themselves. Well, maybe the master tapes are lost or degraded too much, they're about 30 years old now." =20 Well, I suspect they don't actually own the rights to the recordings of their first three albums, as (I read somewhere) they bought back the Autobahn album rights from Polygam sometime in the early 80s prior to it's reissue on EMI's Parlophone imprimatur =96 presumably the Universal Music Group, which possesses the Phillips back catalogue, still owns the 1, 2 and R+F album rights(?). Perhaps, like the large media corporations which now own back catalogues of Jazz record companies, they simply don't have anybody on board who understand its worth or are even aware of its existence.=20 Anyway I've read that Ralf & Flo regard those albums as 'archaeology', so presumably they'd be reluctant to release them even if they had the option.= h ttp://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:06:49 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Roboten wrote: >=20 > I received a letter today from "Von Geyso & Dierkes Rechtsanw=E4lte" who > tells me that my use of the domain "kraftwerk.org" infringes > Kraftwerks rights in trademark, copyright of titles and their rights > to the use of a name The following URL may be of interest, or at least amusing: http://www.ssrn.com/update/lsn/cyberspace/lessons/tm01.html. ("But that is not to say that there is *nothing* that Kraft Corporation can do to restrict your use of this word. Velveeta may well be a protectable trademark - in fact, it is a protectable trademark - and as a result Kraft *can* stop you from using that word in certain ways (but not *all* ways) under trademark law.") > and to pay the bill of charges: >=20 > amount in dispute: 200.000,00 DM (Don't know if I have to pay those > 97000 US $) I get the impression that this sort of noise is made primarily as a basis for negotiation - solicitors and lawyers make out that they hold all the cards. Comply with their desist order and that will probably be the end of it, I think. > I used to love this group and have done so for over ten years. > Now I have to sell all their records to pay a bill for being a devoted > fan. I really don't think it will come to that - but if you're worried, some legal advisers offer a free initial consultation. > The songs available in MP3 is not even original Kraftwerk > material, they're covers and I've mention that the original tracks is > copyrighted.=20 Yes, they are - that's the problem. > PLEASE HELP ME IN THIS MATTER!!! > If Ralf/Florian or near friends of Kraftwerk is reading this.,. PLEASE > REPLY!. YOU'RE TAKING MY LIFE AWAY. Hmmm, a German pop band really shouldn't be your life, you know. Best of luck with getting this matter resolved, however. Kevin PS John Shilcock wrote: > Hi Kevin *waves* "Oo-ooo!" (waving back). :-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:09:03 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) - PS > Hmmm, a German pop band really shouldn't be your life Just to clarify, I wasn't picking on this nationality or, indeed, any particular musical genre...! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:49:32 +0200 From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Roboten wrote: > > Grabbing a domain name? > a Domain Name means nothing. It's a name of a computer on the > Internet. > A TradeMark is a TradeMark. a company name is a company name. > A domain name is a domain name. Yes, it DOES mean something, else people wouldn't fuss so much about them. Apparently Kraftwerk has the feeling people are using their name in connection with electronic music, and more specifically in connection with themselves. I can very well imagine they do not want that. > I received a KINDLY written letter from MCT Konzertagentur which I > responded to, but without any further response from them. Aha! What did you reply to them: a. Yes, of course I will hand over the domain name to KW, it's only a domain name. b. No, I want to keep the domain for my own use. If it was something b-ish I can imagine you get a letter from solicitors. Solicitors are not known for writing kind letters, it's their job you know. Some companies go pretty far in the protection of their names, or brands. I work for a publishing company these days, and we used the word "Luxaflex" in a web article. We got a letter that we were not to use the word "Luxaflex" if we meant "blinds", or else. You'd expect them to be happy that we use the word "Luxaflex" instead of "blinds", but no. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ C'est ci n'est pas un domain name # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:51:36 -0700 From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: RE: Re: (kw) HELP! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:12:00 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Anthony Rother The new CD by Anthony Rother is called Simulationszeitalter. And according to a record-shop catalogue this album has a "robotic kraftwerkian Elektro" style. The disc includes 9 tracks. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:15:56 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Elektrisches Roulette In yesterday's radio programme at M80 Radio (Spain), Julian Ruiz played Elektrisches Roulette by Ralf und Florian! Julian is a Spanish producer, musician and musical commentator, and large fan of David Bowie and Kraftwerk. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:29:50 +0200 From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) Tjodolf Ulriksen wrote: >=20 > If it was a print fanzine, only a few fans would ever see this informat= ion (and AKTIVIT=C4T=20 > would never publish something like this) AKTIVIT=C4T did find Karl Bartos' private address and even rang the bell to talk to him. It's always difficult to keep one's interest within limits apparently. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #445 *******************************