From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #447 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Monday, June 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 447 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:55:30 PDT From: "Quamar Zahra" Subject: (kw) some questions I just ogt some questions 1)does anyone have Francois K. 'Essential Mix' w/ Homecomputer? Is it any good? Are there any mp3s floating around of it? 2) (not a question) PMI isn't a bootleg- It is Picture Music International- a subsidiary of EMI---I think. 3) What happened to the video disc R+F have been talking about for about 20 some odd years? 4)Did R+F do any drugs back in the day? You think they still might? (Jst curious if they'e down with the green thing) 5) Can somebody put up mp3s of Virtu ex Machina? I'll trade the Warfield show and a bunch of other mp3s for it? And a '90-'91 live version of Computerlove 6) What's on these bootlegs- (tracklisting and show dates, please) These are being offered at the website isotank.com DYNAMO DEUTSCHLAND LAUSCHANGRIFF LAUSCHANGRIGG N1 TO ZURICH ROBTRONIK UBERMENSCH WERKING HOLIDAY VOR UNS METROPOLIS ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:42:36 -0500 From: "cancerperson" Subject: Re: (kw) Set Breakdown So where can I find said mp3? My collection of live kw is limited to the 81 belgium show and the warfield soundboard. cp - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- C+++ UL P+ L++ E---- W+ N++ o- K w M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5- X++ R+ tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e>++ h! r-->++ y+ - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.omn.net/~kpbloke - ----- Original Message ----- From: Romulus Giovanni To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:28 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:14:33 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.org & other "related" websites !!! *LOL* ;-))) hi y'all ! have u tried the followin' addresses by now ??? www.kraftwerk.at ( " kraftwerk gmbh & co kg " from austria !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.co.at ( " kraftWerk - agentur für neue kommunikation " also from austria !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.ch ( " professional tools !!! " *LOL* ;-))) from switzerland !!! ;-) - - very interestin' indeed , because these r websites in german language !!! ;-) - - btw : i bet they've already made an "agreement" with kw & their solicitors !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.no ( " kraftwerk productions " from norway !!! currently " under construction " !!! ;-) - - btw : most interestin' : the whole address , phone & fax numbers of the webmaster ( ??? ) is displayed on the site !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.cc ( country unknown !!! also currently " under construction " !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.ws ( " the domain ... is currently available 2 be registered !!! " it says on the website !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.nu ( " this domain-name ... is available 4 registration !!! " it says on the website !!! ;-) www.kraftwerk.net ( check out who has registered this domain under http://www.register.com/whois-results.cgi?domain=kraftwerk.net&SRC= !!! ;-) ... & last but not least : the highly mysterious & most infamous website www.kraftwerk.org !!! ;-) ( check out who has registered this domain under http://www.register.com/whois-results.cgi?domain=kraftwerk.org&SRC= !!! ;-) - - btw : i bet ( once again ;-) u all know this malignant "character" who claims 2 "own" this domain-name by now !!! *grim* :-/ - - if u wanna know who has registered a domain-name or if a specific domain-name is still available , simply go 2 www.register.com !!! however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:21:27 +0200 From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >Trademark or not is not the case. Again, to avoid people buying names = and >selling them for huge sums, there are some laws to own a name not >rightfully. With com, net and org domains the law is clear; anybody can buy any name = that is not already bought. Even with names. If I want to, I can buy the = domain www.ralf-hutter.com because it is not only Ralf Hutter that has = this name, maybe many other people too. Plus, you cannot make patent on = a name. A name is free.=20 >I own a company called Puntgaaf. I registered www.puntgaafcom and later >found a (Dutch) webcompany owns www.puntgaaf.nl. They offer webspace = and >webdesign. If I wanted to, I could reclaim www.puntgaaf.nl. It is not = "just >a name" pointing to an IP-adress, it is (hot) property now-a-days. For local domains (like .nl or .no for Norway) there often are local = laws. In Norway, you must own a company called Powerstation to get the = domain powerstation.no but in Denmark, anybody can get any domain name = ending on .dk even if they dont own a company. With company names that are trademarks, its a different thing. If = Kraftwerk has successfully registered their name as a trademark, then = they might get away with sueing fans that use the word in domain names. = But, "kraftwerk" is just a German word for power station / power plant. = Nobody can own words. It depends on wether the word "kraftwerk" is = associated enough with the band and if they registered it as a = trademark. >The guy who owns kraftwerk.org had a nice website with "only kraftwerk >cover"-mp3's, but he could make it a nasty site, publish the complete >catalogue in MP3, make fun of Ralf (who wouldn't?).=20 Publishing MP3s without paying for them is illegal wether or not you = have kraftwerk.org or just www.mumbojumbo.com And making fun of other = people is not illegal either. Its called "parody" which is allowed under = most "fair use" policies. >Kraftwerk is ownd by >Kraftwerk(r). Petium by Intel, Microsoft by Billy. Life with it, don't = try >to be smart or funny, the lawyers gonna get you anyhoe. Read my above explanation again. Pentium is a word invented by Intel, so = they can own it. Kraftwerk is just a normal word from any dictionary. If = I name my band "Ice cream" does that mean nobody else can register = ice-cream.com ? Not so. But if I make a name like "Arcadion" and = register it as the trademark for my company, I can sue other people = because its my invention. glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:23:45 +0200 From: "Glenn Folkvord" Subject: SV: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >I was thinking the same - but apparently, if you're Scottish, and your = family name is McDonalds, >and have been for 1600 years - that don't give you the right to open a = shop with the name >McDonalds Sandwich bar! >Lars Has there been a court decision on that? Or is it just the big and = mighty McDonalds corporation that threatens people if they try it? glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:21:52 PDT From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me! (Follow Up!) Hello I just read all the legal papers you published on http://www.abc.se/~m9736/kw, and one funny thing that strikes me is that R&F obviously own the rights to MY original song (SYSTEM - The Plan)featured on the site K*******K.ORG. I wonder how that can be, i havn´t been contacted with any offers to buy it - STRANGE ;-) Peder Livijn ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:46:33 -0400 From: Jan Svenungsson Subject: (kw) computer crash =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=FCsseldorf-gig?= 1991.10.31 Anybody knows where this computer crash mp3 is available for download??? jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:32:02 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) some questions [Quamar Zahra wrote] Did R+F do any drugs back in the day? You think they still might? (Just curious if they're down with the green thing) I read somewhere they dropped tabs of LSD before some event or other -- I can't remember whther it was Kubrick's film 2001 or a Stockhausen performance, other list members may know more. http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:11:05 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me! (Follow Up!) Roboten wrote: > The original letter from KW's manager didn't include a single line > about I've done something Illegal, just that they had done a mistake. Thanks for the info and letters (probably a breach of copyright, but...!). I'm sure that all those other "www.kraftwerk." domains - Kraftwerk dogs, Kraftwerk churches, Kraftwerk tools and other oddities on the web - are on much stronger ground. But when a "kraftwerk" domain presents MP3s and other material relating to Kraftwerk, it becomes a "branding" issue or the band and their lawyers. If you want to keep the .org domain, remove the band material and fill the site with pictures of power plants. ;-) I sympathise with you but I can't say for sure I wouldn't have behaved in exactly the same way as Kraftwerk have. Whether, as a commercial entity, they have any more moral claim to a ".org" (rather than ".com") domain is another story, perhaps! Here comes another "robot"... the new ROBOT voice wrote: > imho it's way 2 pretentious Hang on, "way 2 pretentious" !!! :-) is an interesting phrase !!! :-), Mr new ROBOT voice !!! :-) alias MC Kraftmaster Krafty Kraft !!! :-) !!! :-) (just teasing - but I do wish you'd get rid of that "!!! :-)" key, it confuses me!). > he must be a really stupid guy if he thought that it was legal 2 "use" a > domain-name like this !!! A bit harsh, and the legalities are far from clear, as many site owners (not just Kraftwerk fans) have found. Glenn Folkvord wrote: > With company names that are trademarks, its a different thing. If Kraftwerk > has successfully registered their name as a trademark, then they might get > away with sueing fans that use the word in domain names. But, "kraftwerk" is > just a German word for power station / power plant. Nobody can own words. Did you not read the URL I posted about this? It was a US site, but the principles seem to be supported internationally. Best Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:11:05 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Set Breakdown Wess wrote: > "We are asking for some minutes of patience. The Computer has given up > its spirit for the moment (means like "the computer has died")" It's the same in English: "the computer has given up the ghost". > -giggle- "Ghost in the machine" puns at your discretion! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:55:10 +0200 From: Rick Jansen Subject: (kw) www.klingklang.com / www.klingklang.de www.klingklang.com and www.klingklang.de redirect to a shop, asking for a password. I guess we can expect something happening there one of these days. If I remember correctly, www.klingklang.com or .de ended up at a Galerie Klingklang before... The domain is registered to Kraftwerk, according to the whois info. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:11:08 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) www.klinklang.com / www.klingklang.de "www.klingklang.com and www.klingklang.de redirect to a shop, asking for a password." Good, because the last route to where the Klingklang Konsum Produkt could be viewed was not exactly direct. Perhaps this just might mean there will be some new merchandise -- I certainly wish they'd re-issue that www.kraftwerk.com trikot shirt (or maybe a bootleg ".org" one, hehehe) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:52:29 +0200 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) www.klinklang.com / www.klingklang.de "www=2Eklingklang=2Ecom and www=2Eklingklang=2Ede redirect to a shop, asking for a password=2E" Shit!, this might end up me being sued for my site at http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml Better delete it right away =2E-) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:16:16 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) www.klinklang.com / www.klingklang.de johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > > "www.klingklang.com and www.klingklang.de redirect to a shop, > asking for a password." > > > Shit!, this might end up me being sued for my site at > > http://members.tripod.com/~KlingKlang/index.html I had better delete those joking references to "florian@klingklang.org.de" from the s*bscr*be section of the FAQ! How times have changed - superficially. Will we rename the email list anyway? :-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:14:20 -0500 (CDT) From: wonko@nulldevice.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #446 On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, kraftwerk-digest wrote: > From: robot@average.nu [mailto:robot@average.nu] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:33 PM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) HELP! Kraftwerk has sued me (No joke) > > > They want me to stop > 1) to use the domain-name "kraftwerk.org", > 2) to offer/let offer, copy/let copy and distribute/let distribute > musical recordings in form of mp3 files from the "Kraftwerk > repertoire",especially (Roboten - Expo 2014 remix, Erik Oehler - > Computer Love; SYSTEM - The plan) without permission of Mr. Ralf > H=FCtter and Florian Schneider-Esleben. I don't remember ever giving you permission to publish my cover version. In fact, I know I didn't because I never intended that for publishing! Please remove it from your site. _______________________________________________________ Eric Oehler / wonko@nulldevice.com / www.nulldevice.com I need to return some videotapes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:59:57 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: (kw) Since we've been talking trademarks... ...I thought I'd mention this: http://www.egroups.com/files/kraftwerkfans/K_bike.jpg For non-MTBers, it's a close up of the frame of a mountain bike (with pretty good suspension system by the looks of things). These people have a website: http://www.kraftwerk-bikes.de Alas, no produkt shown yet. :-) http://www.penguin.co.uk ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. ********************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:19:51 +0100 From: "Michael Bassett" Subject: (kw) off topic can anybody let me know what happened to British 90`s dance outfit "The Grid". Are they still together or are they no more? Cheers Mikey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:29:09 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) The Model On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:22 +0200, Rick Jansen wrote: >A: The Model >B: The Man Machine So I guess this is an edited version of "Man Machine" > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:33:16 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur? On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:41:39 +0200, Timour JGENTI wrote: > >Hi, > >Is there any place on the net to find >the french version of Pocket Calculator? >Would be great if someone who have it would >put its mp3 online... :) It should be at ftp://lacava.dynip.com when it's up and running. Look in the /kraftwerk/rarities dir. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:35:58 +0200 From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) vocals Does anybody knows who spoke the vocals on "Dentaku" 1981? It doesn't seem to be one of the K'werkers but a real japanese man. Also I'm interessted in the vokals on "Stratovarius". I know this seems to be a little silly, because "Stratovarius" is obviously an instrumental. But if you listen carefully you can hear someone mumbling something like "shabadoo shabadoo" during he is shuffeling through a staircase. And then directly before that furious drum-solo somebody babbles if he wants to imitate that drum-solo before. Is it Ralf or Florian? Any Idea? Thanks Gunnar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:54:33 -0600 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:54:12 +0200 TEST !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:16:49 -0600 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:16:21 +0200 hi y' all ! i'm really sorry 2 say this , but i've x-perienced MAJOR PROBLEMS with this fuckin' shitty DOMOTOOL 2day !!! *grim* :-/ it refused 2 send some of my mails 2 this list !!! :-/ so i don't have the slightest clue what has happend with this messages !!! all i can say is that maybe some ( 1 or 2 ) of them won't appear on this list !!! that's why i've decided 2 post the followin' link 2 an egroups list where u can read THE WHOLE MESSAGE !!! ;-) here's the link now : http://www.egroups.com/message/kraftwerkfans/205?&start=176 !!! ;-) check it out if u like !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx again from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:23:13 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) off topic Mikey wrote: >can anybody let me know what happened to British 90`s dance outfit >"The Grid". Are they still together or are they no more? According to an un-official The Grid page, http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/mattski/Grid/index.html The Grid is on (indefinite) hiatus as a group since 1996. Enrique np: Music for Dancing, TG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:44:59 +0200 From: "Daniel Mark [Timezero]" Subject: (kw) Found some rare kw LPs... Hi, i just went down to the second hand LP store today and found: The Man machine -1978 Captitol (Emi bovema holland -78) Radioactivity - 1975 Capitol (Emi bovema holland -75) Both are the english versions, cd condition excelent. I also have "Tour de france" hmm.. orginal. (condition not the best) Are these worth anything? I payed like 5 dollars for them (50 SKR) :) ///danny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:50:47 +1000 From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) cha cha cha Senor Coconut info at: http://www.multicolor-recordings.de/coconut.htm He's truly nuts. Enjoy :-) Vladimir Tittl __________________________________ http://living-net.com Uncompromised Hosting Solutions mailto:vt@living-net.com Phone: (+61) 0500 57 5557 Fax: (+61) 03 5165 3463 __________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:12:39 -0400 From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) cha cha cha Where can I find a sound file ? I tried Vladimir Tittl wrote: > Senor Coconut info at: > > http://www.multicolor-recordings.de/coconut.htm > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:15:12 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >> my reply trilogy - part 3 << *G+* ;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roboten" To: "the new ROBOT voice ;-)" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) > I have nearly all KW-records. well ... that's really nice 4 u , mate !!! *G+* ;-) > The latest is the Philips release of the R&F Album on Vinyl. WOW !!! ;-) MIGHTY *KEWL* !!! *G+* ;-) > I've visited two concerts. ABSOLUTE INCREDIBLE !!! *LOL* ;-))) > I've done tribute-songs to KW so U think THAT makes u a "real" kw fan & supporter , eh ??? *most_curious* ;-) OH MY GOSH !!! that's all i can say by now !!! :-/ > The only thing that makes me a "fake" kw fan & supporter is that I > wanted to make a tribute-site to honour the group. *ROTFLOLA* ;-))) U still want US 2 believe that ??? HOW PRETENTIOUS & IMPUDENT R U THEN ??? IT'S TOTALLY RIDICULOUS & NEARLY OBSCENE WHAT U SAID !!! *grim* :-/ so PLEASE tell us " ignorant people " ( *G+* ;-) : WHY has it 2 be a domain-name like www.kraftwerk.org & not www.roboten.org or somethin' like that ??? *still_curious_after_all* u jus' disqualify yourself with your "statements" about " your tribute-site 2 honour the group " now !!! *hehehe* ;-))) 2 me u r jus' an immature guy who's desperately seekin' 4 attention with his so-called "tribute-site" & his whining complaints about those bad , bad solicitors of kw !!! *LOL* about U !!! ;-))) go elsewhere 2 cry 4 help in public , mate !!! *G+* ;-) ... & PLEASE : STOP BOTHERIN' US WITH YOUR SILLINESS NOW !!! DID U GET IT ... FINALLY ??? >> my reply trilogy - part 3 << *G+* ;-) i'm sorry , but this VERY SHITTY DOMOTOOL refused me ( twice again !!! :-/ ) 2 post the whole message in once !!! :-/ i hope this time it'll WERK out well !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice ! " ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:42:24 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >> my reply - x-tension part 2 !!! << *G+* ;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roboten" To: "the new ROBOT voice ;-)" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) > /Greetings from Martin,. many greetinx ( once again ;-) from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) > Thanks all you who support me, well ... it has 2 be " thank you all who support(ed) me ! " then !!! *G+* ;-) > and you who don't make fun out of me. SO WHY DON'T MAKE *FUN* OUT OF SUCH A SILLY 1 ??? *ROTFLOLA* ;-))) >> my reply - x-tension part 2 !!! << *G+* ;-) i'm sorry , but this VERY SHITTY DOMOTOOL refused me ( twice again !!! :-/ ) 2 post the whole message in once !!! :-/ i hope this time it'll WERK out well !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice ! " ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:03:49 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >> my reply trilogy - part 2 << *G+* ;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roboten" To: "the new ROBOT voice ;-)" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:00:15 +0200, you wrote: +++ i suppose that he would have even lesser than 25% of "hits" on his site if it wasn't set up with a really " big name " like KRAFTWERK 4 instance !!! that's what annoys me the most & that's why i suggest that he shuts down his site asap 2 prevent any further actions of kw solicitors !!! +++ > I don't make any money on this site. I've payed 80$ to get the domain. your loss then !!! ;-) > I don't even have banners because I think that would hurt the name of > Kraftwerk. The mp3's are work of members from the Kraftwerk > Mailing-list, and a disclaimer can be found on the page tellling who > has the copyright to the original tracks. If that's so bad, I won't > have the mp3's available. i'm not complainin' about the use of mp3's on "your" site then !!! that's okay with me ... so far !!! what simply annoys me is that U STILL DON'T GET THE POINT of the whole domain-name thingy !!! 2 make it very , very simple & understandable 4 everybody - incl. U " mr. roboten " : NO-ONE IN THE WHOLE "WEBWIDEWORLD" HAS THE RIGHT 2 OWN WWW.KRAFTWERK.ORG X-CEPT KW THEMSELF OR SOMEBODY WHO HAS MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ABOUT THE USE OF THE DOMAIN-NAME >> BEFORE !!! << THE SITE WAS SET UP & NOT AFTER IT WAS DONE !!! so U HAVEN'T MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM >> BEFORE !!! << & THAT'S YOUR FAULT & YOUR LOSS !!! it's that simple indeed !!! if the laws of certain countries doesn't suit this NATURAL RIGHT OF PROPERTY then these laws r bad laws imho !!! +++ however ... peace 2 all "real" kw fans & supporters !!! +++ > Define "real". well ... it's very simple 2 define "real" : "real" kw fans & supporters r those who know WHAT IS KW'S PROPERTY & PRIVACY & they would NEVER EVER go out & "steal" domain-names like www.kraftwerk.org or www.kraftwerk.nu which is still "available" by now !!! ;-) or somethin' like that !!! > How many records should they own? > How many concerts should they visit? *ROTFLOL* ;-))) U still didn't get the point @ all , mate !!! *sigh* :-/ u really don't have 2 own ANY of their records or have 2 visited ANY of their concerts then 2 be a "real" kw fan or supporter !!! u jus' have 2 like - or even *love* ! ;-) - their music & their style & MOST OF ALL >> R-E-S-P-E-C-T !!! << what they've done 4 us fans so far & >> R-E-S-P-E-C-T !!! << WHAT IS >> T-H-E-I-R !!! << PROPERTY & PRIVACY !!! GET IT NOW ??? i sincerely hope so !!! *phew* ;-) >> my reply trilogy - part 2 << *G+* ;-) i'm sorry , but this shitty domotool refused me 2 post the whole message in once !!! :-/ i hope this time it'll WERK out well !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice ! " ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:56:11 +0200 From: "the new ROBOT voice ;-\)" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) >> my reply trilogy - part 1 << *G+* ;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roboten" To: "the new ROBOT voice ;-)" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk has sued me (Follow up!) On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:00:15 +0200, you wrote: +++ imho it's way 2 pretentious & impudent 2 set up a domain-name like www.kraftwerk.org if u actually don't have ANYTHIN' 2 do with KRAFTWERK itself then !!! +++ > Explain why. Your opinion isn't everybodys opinion, so why bother us? what more there is 2 x-plain then ??? *most_curious* if u don't get IT by now , u'll never ever get IT i suppose !!! so what ??? U ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHIN' 2 DO WITH KRAFTWERK ITSELF , haven't u ??? *still_curious* isn't that clear enough 4 ( all of ) u ??? *very_curious_indeed* btw : i haven't said that my opinion is - or have 2 be ! - everybody's opinion !!! so WHY r U botherin' US kw fans with your public cry 4 help , mate ??? u jus' want 2 drag us ( all ) in somethin' U have caused & which was DEFINITELY YOUR FAULT then !!! so please answer the question : WHY r u so impudent 2 set up a domain-name like www.kraftwerk.org , eh ??? WHY not www.roboten.org or anythin' else then ??? *even_more_curious_by_now* imho ( once again ;-) u jus' want 2 "participate" on KRAFTWERK's " big name " & their "overwhelmin'" popularity in an unrightful way & that's what STINKS & annoys me !!! *grim* :-/ +++ i can understand the legal actions that were caused against the "user" of this domain !!! he must be a really stupid guy if he thought that it was legal 2 "use" a domain-name like this !!! +++ > Thought? > I Know my full rights. The Germanz doesn't. well ... it may be legal in some countries & illegal in others then ... but if U still insist that U know your full rights , WHY r U botherin' US kw fans with your public cry 4 help , eh ??? *most_curious* u seem 2 be really uncertain about WHAT IS RIGHT & WHAT ISN'T so far !!! so go & help yourself & don't bother US any longer here !!! btw : i suppose that kw & their solicitors KNOW what they have 2 do 2 keep people like U away from what is THEIR property - & NOT YOURS !!! +++ 2 be a fan of kw has ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN' 2 do with such a thing like he does when he sets up this domain-name !!! all he wants is 2 take benefit of the name KRAFTWERK itself then & that's really despicable !!! +++ > I want to honour Kraftwerk. That's the catch. i'm sorry , but THAT'S WAY 2 RIDICULOUS 4 ME 2 BELIEVE !!! if u want money from THEM now so that THEY can buy back what has 2 be THEIR property already u must be totally out of your fan(atic) mind then , mate !!! >> my reply trilogy - part 1 << *G+* ;-) i'm sorry , but this shitty domotool refused me 2 post the whole message in once !!! :-/ i hope this time it'll WERK out well !!! *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx from micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice ! " ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:04:13 GMT From: robot@average.nu (Roboten) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk has ..... (EOD?) On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:32:17 +0200, you wrote: >so what ??? U ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHIN' 2 DO WITH KRAFTWERK ITSELF , >haven't u ??? *still_curious* isn't that clear enough 4 ( all of ) u ??? So what? I'm a fan. The domain was free for anyone to register. If I wouldn't have registered, any other could have. If you check the date when it was registered and the date I received the mail from KW's manager the first time, You must see that there were some months between those dates. Maybe Mr Anonymous from Taiwan would have put up a pornsite.. And would have been impossible to reach,.. And yes, he might even get away with it, because the page is not associated with the group at all. >btw : i haven't said that my opinion is - or have 2 be ! - everybody's >opinion !!! so WHY r U botherin' US kw fans with your public cry 4 help = , >mate ??? u jus' want 2 drag us ( all ) in somethin' U have caused & = which >was DEFINITELY YOUR FAULT then !!!=20 I thought it might be of interest to other KW "fans".. Probably not those like you., but about 20 others. >so please answer the question : WHY r u >so impudent 2 set up a domain-name like www.kraftwerk.org , eh ??? WHY = not >www.roboten.org or anythin' else then ???=20 It was free for anyone to register as I've said earlier.=20 Noone complained the first time I mentioned the domain at this list.=20 I only got great response from folks wanting to share songs at the page. >imho ( once again ;-) u jus' want 2 "participate" on KRAFTWERK's " big = name >" & their "overwhelmin'" popularity in an unrightful way & that's what >STINKS & annoys me !!! *grim* :-/ Screw your opinion.=20 If someone created a website for me at www.martinrundqvist.com or www.roboten.org, I would feel honored. These guys didn't.. >well ... it may be legal in some countries & illegal in others then ... = but Yep. And if It's so Illegal in Germany, I could just block the whole .de top-domain and the problem would be solved. >if U still insist that U know your full rights , WHY r U botherin' US kw >fans with your public cry 4 help , eh ??? *most_curious* I know I'm right, but I have some problem to explain to the german lawyer that this is not my problem. >u seem 2 be really uncertain about WHAT IS RIGHT & WHAT ISN'T so far !!!= so >go & help yourself & don't bother US any longer here !!! btw : i suppose >that kw & their solicitors KNOW what they have 2 do 2 keep people like U >away from what is THEIR property - & NOT YOURS !!! Commenting that one will probably just ban me from this list, so I don't.=20 >i'm sorry , but THAT'S WAY 2 RIDICULOUS 4 ME 2 BELIEVE !!! if u want = money >from THEM now so that THEY can buy back what has 2 be THEIR property = already >u must be totally out of your fan(atic) mind then , mate !!! You don't simply understand. That's your problem. If they own something, then it's their property. I own kxxxxxxxk.org.=20 >> I don't make any money on this site. I've payed 80$ to get the domain. >your loss then !!! ;-) No loss yet. >i'm not complainin' about the use of mp3's on "your" site then !!! = that's >okay with me ... so far !!! what simply annoys me is that U STILL DON'T = GET >THE POINT of the whole domain-name thingy !!! 2 make it very , very = simple & >understandable 4 everybody - incl. U " mr. roboten " : NO-ONE IN THE = WHOLE >"WEBWIDEWORLD" HAS THE RIGHT 2 OWN WWW.KRAFTWERK.ORG X-CEPT KW THEMSELF = OR >SOMEBODY WHO HAS MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ABOUT THE USE OF THE >DOMAIN-NAME >> BEFORE !!! << THE SITE WAS SET UP & NOT AFTER IT WAS DONE= !!! >so U HAVEN'T MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM >> BEFORE !!! << & THAT'S YOUR >FAULT & YOUR LOSS !!! it's that simple indeed !!! if the laws of certain >countries doesn't suit this NATURAL RIGHT OF PROPERTY then these laws r = bad >laws imho !!! Only Germany have that law, as far as I know. And all I know think that is a bad law. Not just my opinion. >*ROTFLOL* ;-))) U still didn't get the point @ all , mate !!! *sigh* :-/= u >really don't have 2 own ANY of their records or have 2 visited ANY of = their >concerts then 2 be a "real" kw fan or supporter !!! u jus' have 2 like -= or >even *love* ! ;-) - their music & their style & MOST OF ALL >> = R-E-S-P-E-C-T >!!! << what they've done 4 us fans so far & >> R-E-S-P-E-C-T !!! << WHAT= IS >>> T-H-E-I-R !!! << PROPERTY & PRIVACY !!! GET IT NOW ??? i sincerely = hope >so !!! *phew* ;-) So you hate Wolfgang Fl=FCer as much as you hate me? He (if someone) knows how to treat KW's property & Privacy.. Read the book. >so U think THAT makes u a "real" kw fan & supporter , eh ??? = *most_curious* >;-) I asked for you to define it.=20 >u jus' disqualify yourself with your "statements" about " your = tribute-site >2 honour the group " now !!! *hehehe* ;-))) >2 me u r jus' an immature guy who's desperately seekin' 4 attention with= his >so-called "tribute-site" & his whining complaints about those bad , bad >solicitors of kw !!! *LOL* about U !!! ;-))) go elsewhere 2 cry 4 help = in >public , mate !!! *G+* ;-) ... & PLEASE : STOP BOTHERIN' US WITH YOUR >SILLINESS NOW !!! DID U GET IT ... FINALLY ??? I will not stop bothering anyone on this list if they don't tell me to. Your "mail" (looks more like an drunk IRC'ers log.) isn't simply reason enough.=20 As I'm a very kind person, I will let all of you decide if you want to keep this thread living. If you don't, stop replying to the list. ONLY personal replys. If you want, keep on writing. I will only comment mail to the list that are originally written to it. As now, it seems that just this micro-guy wants this.=20 And for your interest, I can say this. I want to trade the domain name for an autographed photo of KW or the registration ammount. (80$). Sounds fair? /Martin aka Roboten (tm) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #447 *******************************