From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #452 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Sunday, July 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 452 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:06:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) old & new kw / ralf & florian vs. karl & wolfgang etc. hi kwf's ! tjodolf ulriksen wrote ( again ;-) : >> Yes, let's not forget their website; always plenty of new stuff there- sly grin. << well ... the first "attempt" from kw on the net under www.kraftwerk.com was indeed not very interesting !!! :-/ but their new website under www.kraftwerk.org ... err ... www.kraftwerk.de is much better & very up-to-date imho !!! *G+* ;-))) >> There has been a ham-fisted effort to do this to the Music Non Stop video; it would be possible to do it to the Telephone Call video as well, since the band members don't appear in the same shot. They'd have to redo the vocals, though. (Note clever use of preposition.) As for the others- have you seen the picture of Mao, where the gang of four has been brushed out? There are four painfully obvious gaping holes in the crowd. Would you be interested in a whole video that looked like that? << NOPE !!! *G+* ;-) but the current state of technology is much better than it was even in '97 or earlier !!! ;-) so i suppose if " the right people " will update kw's footage & stuff , it will turn out well & "visible" after all !!! ;-) >> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting and remixing. << well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll ask florian , he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) >> This happened in 1997, and it's already three years ago. (The same time span as from "Autobahn" to "TEE".) I'm not expecting Ralf, in his current emotional state, to be able to pull himself together after a blow like that. Of course, I'm writing about future events, so you can always say that I can't prove I'm right. But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the record industry. << okay ! that may be true , but kw "operate" in their very own " time zone " !!! *LOL* ;-))) >> Yes, so what? The three bits that were finished sound nice enough, but they lack lyrics and melodies. For all talk about 'guest artists' and 'core members', has there been any suggestions that the band is able to write a pop song without Emil Schult and Karl Bartos? << WHY should there be (many)lyrics & (much) melodies ??? *just_curious* nowadays eleKtroniK musiK WERKs even better as a "traKK" than a "(pop)song" !!! ;-) so WHO really NEEDS emil & karl - maybe besides the " old school kw fans ! ;-) - if fritz & henning can fill in their places as " engineers for modern kw sound " then ??? *very_curious_indeed* ;-) >> True, they did get it together to make "EXPO 2000", but the lyrics are only the slogan for the expo, and it took some pretty extreme pressure to shame the group into putting it out. I don't think any other band has had to survive such a humiliating media barrage, or deserved it so well. (I am, of course, referring to the so-called jingles.) << expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all !!! believe me !!! ;-) the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ralf & florian !!! so some of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back to their "mix" period then !!! ;-) kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club scene & its overall sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) >> So you mean, that sound of a BASF C60 that has been filtered for tape hiss, where the drums have all the energy of cooked spaghetti, is really a prank after all? I hope so too. The "Expo 2000" single offers some evidence that they're not completely cloth-eared yet; I worship the bass sounds. But as for decently remastered editions of the six albums, don't hold your breath. << the re-issue of tour de france & the expo 2000 single were just " WERKs in commission " to satisfy their record company emi music & their fans & - last but not least ! ;-) - the expo organisation itself !!! that's all there is !!! ;-) btw : i pretty much doubt that kw themselves are interested in re-releasing their old(er) material ( kw 1 & 2 , r & f ) once again !!! :-/ >> This idea is conjured out of thin air. Maybe, maybe someone is editing the gang of two out of the material. Maybe, maybe it will eventually be released in some form. Nothing has been announced yet, and I distinctly remember the Tour de France reissue being announced as early as 1994. All I know is, the footage is full of images of the people Ralf and Florian least want to see, and they won't be easy to edit out. << if "somebody" is interested to re-release old footage of kw & is able to spend "some" money on it , it's DEFINITELY NOT "impossible" !!! it will "only" take some time !!! that's all i suppose !!! ;-) >> And remember that they're the best-looking members of the band, so few teenage girls will be interested in a video that doesn't feature the 'guest artists'. EMI has blocked one release already, and they'd surely do it again, if the band delivered something as crazy as this. << HEY !!! *G+* ;-) that's indeed a really good point !!! *hehehe* ;-))) kw as " the new boy group " of eleKtroniK musiK !!! *LOL* ;-))) very clever & smart !!! *G+* ;-) for real : emi music has NOT MUCH to say or chance of intervention when it comes to NEW RELEASES !!! only the old material is in the hand of the record company !!! remember : kw's kling klang publishing company has already made " a big deal " last year with sony music !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) so let's wait & see what we can expect from the current "outfit" around the nucleus of kw ... & ralf & florian themselves !!! *G+* ;-) fyi : to me it seems not to be a hopeless case after all !!! *LOLA* ;-))) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:52:24 +0200 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) old & new kw oh jay wrote: >> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting and remixing. >well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll ask florian , >he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) Which would be... >expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all !!! believe me !!! ;-) No, I don't believe you! ;-) --- Please prove it, or state your source. >the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ralf & florian !!! so some >of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back to their "mix" period then !!! ;-) That doesn't seem likely. The sounds of E2k is not very much like on the Mix, perhaps besides the drums. >kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club scene & its overall >sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) If you're referring to the new live tracks that's true. But then again the current club scene is indirectly influenced by Kraftwerk's work from the - -70:s... /Joakim np: Yoshihiro Hanno meets Mick Karn: Liquid Glass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:36:21 +0200 From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Another cover of The Model There is also a live version on his new live album 'At Martyrs' (2000 New Machine/Ulftone). Ivo > > The European version of Chris Whitley's album "Dirt Floor" (Messenger/Sony, > 1999) features an acoustic cover version of Kraftwerk's "The Model" recorded > in the New York > singer/songwriter's home studio. > > DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:31:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) " the proof " !? hi kwf's ! some quotes to keep up with the current thread : >>> This material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting a= nd remixing. <<< >> well ... THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE @ EMI SAID !!! *sly_grin* ;-) if you'll = ask florian , he'll tell you a whole different story then !!! *another_sly_grin= * ;-) << > Which would be... < ... nearly " the same ol' story " as with the "techno-pop" album of 1983 wh= ich turned out to be the " electric cafe " album of 1986 then !!! *just_a_s= mart_grin_here_this_time* ;-) >> expo 2000 doesn't show the current state of kw sound & their WERK @ all = !!! believe me !!! ;-) << > No, I don't believe you! ;-) --- Please prove it, or state your source. < well ... I CAN'T PROOF IT !!! ;-) ONLY KW CAN DO IT !!! *BWG* ;-))) btw : i= 've already stated MY SOURCE by now !!! *slyest_grin_you_can_imagine* ;-))) >> the offer to do an expo "hymn" was made way back in the early 90s to ral= f & florian !!! so some of the used sounds on expo 2000 are indeed dated back t= o their "mix" period then !!! ;-) << > That doesn't seem likely. The sounds of E2k is not very much like on the = Mix, perhaps besides the drums. < okay ! to be honest : expo 2000 was just a kind of "by-product" or even a "= waste product " of their WERK over the 90s then !!! ;-) btw : did you spot= ted out the similarities of expo 2000 & the song ( or track ! ;-) electric = cafe ??? *very _curious_indeed* ;-) that's WHERE the production of "E2K" st= arted out ... way back in zime !!! *BWGA* ;-))) >> kw's " new sounds " are pretty much more influenced by the current club = scene & its overall sound than by their own WERK of the past !!! *just_another_sly_grin_here_again* ;-) << > If you're referring to the new live tracks that's true. But then again th= e current club scene is indirectly influenced by Kraftwerk's work from the - -70:s... < that's where the circle closes ... & everything starts again !!! *wise_grin= * ;-) " er wird immer weitergeh'n !!! musik als tr=E4ger von ideen !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) www.theguyformerlyknownasmicROBOT.net ( *G+++* ;-))) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:26:10 +0100 From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Trans Am Automat mentions Trans Am. Although they're guitar based with electronics and sequencers from time to time you can sometimes feel the KW influence. Their album 'Future World' is stuffed to the brim with vocoder, whilst the album 'Surrender To The Night's' second track, 'Cologne' has a guitar solo which quotes part of the neon lights melody. I think they're worth a listen NB Does anyone else think that the Channel 5 jingle sounds similar to 'The Robots' Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:57:21 +0100 From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Trans Am (again) In fact their new release 'You can always get what you want' a collection of singles live and ep stuff contains a live version of KW's Man Machine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:50:45 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Tjodolf Ulriksen skrev: > [The new] material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewrit= ing and remixing.=20 Where exactly did you learn that? > I'm not expecting Ralf, in his current emotional state, to be able to p= ull himself together after a blow like that. Gee, you two must really be close. So, how does Huetter rate the new Cam= pagnolo derailleurs? And what about Zabel's inabilty of late to win the sprints? > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the r= ecord industry. Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry rec= ording one. > [Is K-werk able] to write a pop song without Emil Schult and Karl Barto= s? You mean like "Europa Endlos" & "Schaufensterpuppen"? > /.../ it took some pretty extreme pressure to shame the group into putt= ing [Expo 2000] out. K-werk wouldn't be the first band to fall prey to political maneouvres, b= ut their particular brand of 'artsyness' made them a really easy target for Expo opponents. How co= me no one wants to know how many Deutschmarks have been spent spewing gall on the whole event? -= Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:42:05 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the record industry. Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry recording one. That's just not fair... Bryan Ferry solo career started on 1973 and consists of 10 records plus several appearances on collaborations, tribute and soundtrack albums. Since that time, he also recorded a handful of records with his band, (all rise) Roxy Music. Peter Gabriel's solo career consists of 6 records in English, 2 in German, 2 soundtracks, 2 live and several (and I do mean several) collaborations to compilations, tributes and soundtrack albums all the way from 1977 until today. Bear in mind that he also had to spent his time in a few trivial things like, being the head of Real World records, being a (big) part of a project about the Millennium Show in Greenwich, and he also created some of the most highly acclaimed music videos of all time... and I almost forgot... according to Tony Levin, Peter has already recorded the songs for his upcoming UP album (tentative release: spring 2001), but I bet must be tedious to pick the best from the reportedly 100 plus songs he's got. You do the math. Enrique NP: the brand spanking new "OVO", by Mr Peter Gabriel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:04:55 +0200 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Radio tip On July 8 (night from friday to saturday), 1.05 - 3.00 MESZ, DLF Radio will send "Soundcheck - Die Renaissance des Elektro oder Wie die schwarze Musik Kraftwerk entdeckte" ("The renaissance of electro or How the black music discovered Kraftwerk") by Thomas Elbern. Don't know exactly what it is, but maybe it's interesting. For frequencies see http://www.dradio.de/cgi-bin/user/fm1004/es/neu-freq-listk/ Jan ^^^v^^^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:38:02 -0700 From: Depeche Subject: Re: (kw) A Portrait of Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine No need to the question mark, he is still a member of depeche. Andrew d-mode@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/d-mode/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Dassi" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 8:03 AM Subject: (kw) A Portrait of Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine > > Very funny: A. Fletcher, former(?) Depeche Mode member, dressed in a Man-Machine attire: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:46:15 +0100 From: Richard Marston Subject: RE: (kw) Yo fui un Robot Thanks for the info. That's the U.S. edition; the book will be also be published by Faber & Faber in the UK. I notice the byline on the book cover identifies Fluer as "founder member of Kraftwerk", wrong on both counts, I think. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:24:38 -0400 From: stephen@firstworld.net (stephen vesecky) Subject: Re: (kw) Trans Am >Automat mentions Trans Am. Although they're guitar based with electronics >and sequencers from time to time you can sometimes feel the KW influence. >Their album 'Future World' is stuffed to the brim with vocoder, whilst the >album 'Surrender To The Night's' second track, 'Cologne' has a guitar solo >which quotes part of the neon lights melody. yes, when they played live they did a cover of 'the man machine'. their concert was good. they would go from minimalistic heavy metal and somehow end up doing a sort of techno. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:39:45 +0200 From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine - -Luca Dassi wrote: Very funny: A. Fletcher, former(?) Depeche Mode member, dressed in a Man-Machine attire: - -Depeche wrote: No need to the question mark, he is still a member of depeche. FORMER members of DM were Vince Clarke, Martin Gore and Andrew Fletcher. THEN came Dave Gahan. FINALLY, to substitute Vince Clarke, came Alan Wilder. Images of that site are probably the same of the choreography of the last DM tour. During their show in Milan I remember I saw on the background pictures of DM dressed like KW: NICE!!! Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:26:23 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff Tjodolf said:=20 > But even three years is usually concidered quite a bit of time in the r= ecord industry. I said: > Roughly the time Peter Gabriel spends mixing a track - or Bryan Ferry r= ecording one. Enrique said:=20 > That's just not fair... So's a lot of the flak K-werk recieves. > Bryan Ferry solo career started on 1973 and... /---/ Peter Gabriel's so= lo career... Oh, they're both very impressive. But as an average fan I still only see= the odd album every few years. Though not measuring up quantitively, since 1970 K-werk's handful= of albums - and quite a few novel videos - have radically changed the beat of modern pop. Howeve= r, the point was not to compare but to say that the time spent recording matters less than the qu= ality of the final recording to some record companies. I appologise for stepping on your to= es. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:15:33 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Printed Circuit Quoted from the Elefant Records weekly news bulletin: Printed Circuit is the alter ego for Claire, a Scotswoman twenty years old who started to give free rein to her electronic fantasies at the beginning of 1999, encouraged by her love for names so inspiring as Mouse On Mars, KRAFTWERK, Boards Of Canada or Les Rhythmes Digitales. Artist: Printed Circuit Title: "Gimmie aibo" Format: Single Club red vinyl Label: Elefant Records elefantsales@elefant.com http://www.elefant.com Reference: ER-223 Bar code: 8428846402239 Tracklist: 1. Gimmie aibo 2. Solar for my format 3. Systematik (GNG weird funk mix) End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:36:48 EDT From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yo fui un Robot In a message dated 7/6/00 9:14:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Richard.Marston@penguin.co.uk writes: << Thanks for the info. That's the U.S. edition; the book will be also be published by Faber & Faber in the UK. >> I missed the info....where can we order the English language edition of the book?? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:02:19 -0700 From: "Tjodolf Ulriksen" Subject: (kw) Re: kw footage & stuff DQoNCj5EYXRlOiBUaHUsIDA2IEp1bCAyMDAwIDIzOjUwOjQ1ICswMjAwDQo+RnJvbTogTGVj aCA8bGlua2llbEB0ZWxpYS5jb20+DQo+VG86IGtyYWZ0d2Vya0B4bWlzc2lvbi5jb20NCj5T dWJqZWN0OiAoa3cpIFJlOiBrdyBmb290YWdlICYgc3R1ZmYNCj4NCj4NCj5Uam9kb2xmIFVs cmlrc2VuIHNrcmV2Og0KPj4gW1RoZSBuZXddIG1hdGVyaWFsIHdhcyByZWplY3RlZCBieSBF TUkgcmVjb3JkcyBhbmQgc2VudCBiYWNrIGZvciByZXdyaXRpbmcgYW5kIHJlbWl4aW5nLiAN Cj4NCj5XaGVyZSBleGFjdGx5IGRpZCB5b3UgbGVhcm4gdGhhdD8NCg0KV29sZmdhbmcgRmz8 cidzIGJvb2ssIGFzIHdlbGwgYXMgbXVzaWMgcHJlc3Mgc291cmNlcy4gSXQgaGFzbid0IGJl ZW4gYW5ub3VuY2VkIHZlcnkgbG91ZGx5LCBidXQgaXQncyBzb21ldGhpbmcgSSB0aGluayBt b3N0IHBlb3BsZSBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgaGFzIGhlYXJkLiBEbyB5b3UgZmluZCBpdCB1bmxp a2VseT8gV2VsbCwgaXQgd2FzIGFubm91bmNlZCBxdWl0ZSBjbGVhcmx5IGluIDE5OTcgdGhh dCBuZXcgbWF0ZXJpYWwgaGFkIGJlZW4gZGVsaXZlcmVkLiBUaGVuIG5vdGhpbmcuIEEgcHJl dHR5IGdvb2QgZXhwbGFuYXRpb24gaXMgdGhhdCB0aGUgbWF0ZXJpYWwgaGFkIGJlZW4gcmVq ZWN0ZWQuIERvZXMgYW55b25lIGV4Y2VwdCBMZWNoIGZpbmQgdGhlIHN0b3J5IGltcHJvYmFi bGU/DQoNCj4+IEknbSBub3QgZXhwZWN0aW5nIFJhbGYsIGluIGhpcyBjdXJyZW50IGVtb3Rp b25hbCBzdGF0ZSwgdG8gYmUgYWJsZSB0byBwdWxsIGhpbXNlbGYgdG9nZXRoZXIgYWZ0ZXIg YSBibG93IGxpa2UgdGhhdC4NCj4NCj5HZWUsIHlvdSB0d28gbXVzdCByZWFsbHkgYmUgY2xv c2UuICBTbywgaG93IGRvZXMgSHVldHRlciByYXRlIHRoZSBuZXcgQ2FtcGFnbm9sbyBkZXJh aWxsZXVycz8gIEFuZA0KPndoYXQgYWJvdXQgWmFiZWwncyBpbmFiaWx0eSBvZiBsYXRlIHRv IHdpbiB0aGUgc3ByaW50cz8NCg0KTm8sIHdlJ3JlIG5vdCBjbG9zZSBhdCBhbGwsIHlvdSd2 ZSByZWFkIHRoZSBzYW1lIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGFzIEkuIEl0IGFkZHMgdXAuIEVpdGhlciBL YXJsIG9yIFdvbGZnYW5nIGNhbGxlZCBoaW0gYSBiaXR0ZXIgbWFuIHdobyB0aGlua3MgaGUg bmVlZHMgbm8tb25lIGJ1dCBSYWxmIEj8dHRlci4gTW9zdCBvZiBoaXMgYWN0aXZpdGllcyBy ZWNlbnRseSBmaXQgdGhlIG1vbGQuIA0KSSB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIGFza2VkIHdobyBaYWJlbCBp cywgYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3QgY2FyZS4NCg0KPg0KPj4gQnV0IGV2ZW4gdGhyZWUgeWVhcnMgaXMg dXN1YWxseSBjb25jaWRlcmVkIHF1aXRlIGEgYml0IG9mIHRpbWUgaW4gdGhlIHJlY29yZCBp bmR1c3RyeS4NCj4NCj5Sb3VnaGx5IHRoZSB0aW1lIFBldGVyIEdhYnJpZWwgc3BlbmRzIG1p eGluZyBhIHRyYWNrIC0gb3IgQnJ5YW4gRmVycnkgcmVjb3JkaW5nIG9uZS4NCg0KU29ycnks IGJ1dCB0aGlzIGlzIGlycmVsZXZhbnQgbm9uc2Vuc2UuIFRocmVlIHllYXJzIGlzIGEgbG9u ZyB0aW1lIHRvIHNwZW5kIG9uIGFuIGFsYnVtLiBJJ20gc3VyZSB0aGF0IGlmIHRoZXNlIGFy dGlzdHMgSSBkb24ndCBjYXJlIGFib3V0IGhhdmUgZ29uZSBvbiBzaW5jZSAxOTk3IHdpdGhv dXQgbWFraW5nIGFueSByZWNvcmRzLCB0aGV5IGhhdmUgYmVlbiBhcHByb3ByaWF0ZWx5IGNy aXRpY2lzZWQgYnkgdGhlaXIgYXVkaWVuY2VzLg0KDQo+PiBbSXMgSy13ZXJrIGFibGVdIHRv IHdyaXRlIGEgcG9wIHNvbmcgd2l0aG91dCBFbWlsIFNjaHVsdCBhbmQgS2FybCBCYXJ0b3M/ DQo+DQo+WW91IG1lYW4gbGlrZSAiRXVyb3BhIEVuZGxvcyIgJiAiU2NoYXVmZW5zdGVycHVw cGVuIj8NCg0KSG1tLiBCdXQgS2FybCBCYXJ0b3MgcGxheWVkIG9uIHRob3NlLiBCdXQgeWVz LCB0aGVyZSBhcmUgdHdvIHNvbmdzIHdpdGggbHlyaWNzIHRoYXQgYXJlIGNyZWRpdGVkIHRv IG5laXRlciBLYXJsIEJhcnRvcyBvciBFbWlsIFNjaHVsdCBvbiB0aGUgVEVFIGFsYnVtLiBN YXliZSBSYWxmIHdpbGwgY29tZSB1cCB3aXRoIGFub3RoZXIgc29tZSBkYXkuDQoNCj4NCj4+ IC8uLi4vIGl0IHRvb2sgc29tZSBwcmV0dHkgZXh0cmVtZSBwcmVzc3VyZSB0byBzaGFtZSB0 aGUgZ3JvdXAgaW50byBwdXR0aW5nIFtFeHBvIDIwMDBdIG91dC4NCj4NCj5LLXdlcmsgd291 bGRuJ3QgYmUgdGhlIGZpcnN0IGJhbmQgdG8gZmFsbCBwcmV5IHRvIHBvbGl0aWNhbCBtYW5l b3V2cmVzLCBidXQgdGhlaXIgcGFydGljdWxhciBicmFuZA0KPm9mICdhcnRzeW5lc3MnIG1h ZGUgdGhlbSBhIHJlYWxseSBlYXN5IHRhcmdldCBmb3IgRXhwbyBvcHBvbmVudHMuICBIb3cg Y29tZSBubyBvbmUgd2FudHMgdG8ga25vdw0KPmhvdyBtYW55IERldXRzY2htYXJrcyBoYXZl IGJlZW4gc3BlbnQgc3Bld2luZyBnYWxsIG9uIHRoZSB3aG9sZSBldmVudD8gIC0gVG91cyDg IHbpbG8hDQoNClRoZSA0MDAwMDAgZm9yIHRoZSB1bnVzYWJsZSBqaW5nbGVzIGlzIG9ubHkg b25lIGl0ZW0gb24gYSBsb25nIGxpc3Qgb2YgY29tcGxhaW50czsgbm8tb25lIGlzIHZlcnkg aGFwcHkgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHdob2xlIGV4cG8gb3IgaG93IG11Y2ggaXQgY29zdC4NCg0KVFUN Cg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KU3VwcG9ydCBUZWFtIC8gUG9ybkluZHVzdHJ5LmNvbSAvIHdlYm1h c3RlckBwb3JuaW5kdXN0cnkuY29tDQoNCg0K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:55:03 +0200 From: "Marcello Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Didi To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (kw) Andrew Fletcher as a Man Machine Friday, July 07, 2000 11:27 AM Didi wrote: >... Images of that site are probably the same of the choreography of the last > DM > tour. During their show in Milan I remember I saw on the background > pictures of DM dressed like KW: NICE!!! I totally agree: NICE and i would add : it's probably THE ONLY NICE THING of last DM tour...:-> P.BOY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:06:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) ralf & florian vs. karl & wolfgang etc. ( to be continued !!! ;-) hi kwf's ! tjodolf ulriksen & lech debated : >>> Tjodolf Ulriksen skrev : [The new] material was rejected by EMI records and sent back for rewriting = and remixing. <<< >> Lech schrieb : Where exactly did you learn that? << > Tjodolf Ulriksen replied : Wolfgang Fl=FCr's book, as well as music press sources. It hasn't been anno= unced very loudly, but it's something I think most people on this list has = heard. Do you find it unlikely? Well, it was announced quite clearly in 199= 7 that new material had been delivered. Then nothing. A pretty good explana= tion is that the material had been rejected. Does anyone except Lech find t= he story improbable? < my comment on this thread : IT'S ALL JUST " A MYTH " !!! :-/ wolfgang & karl had no "real" contact to r= alf & florian in the last 8 or 9 years since they both left kw !!! THAT'S A= SIMPLE FACT !!! so THEY DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE than we all do !!! ;-) it's all pretty much speculation of the media & music biz in general !!! ;-= ) fyi ( once again ;-) : i've made an interview with florian in early '97 ( b= efore the tribal gathering event !!! ) in berlin & he said that there were = several new "trax" which were "unfinished" by that point in time & that kw = will MAYBE play one or two of them @ some concerts in " the near future " != !! that's EXACTLY what happened later in the year !!! ;-) i still believe i= n what florian told me & NOT what some flashy wanna-be's @ emi music said l= ater on to the "starving" press !!! :-/ so make up your own mind then !!! ;-) btw : sorry for the lil' typos in my last mail !!! nobody's perfect ... not= even kw or me !!! *LOL* ;-))) " am heimcomputer sitz ich hier & programmier die zukunft mir !!! " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-ge= rmany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:35:27 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Re: kw footage & stuff Tjodolf skrev: > /.../ the unusable jingles is only one item on a long list of complaint= s; no-one is very happy about the whole expo... Someone must be 'happy,' as it's quite clearly taking place. As for the = jingles, 'unusable' in what sense? What exactly did you expect? > Three years is a long time to spend on an album. Perhaps. But it's more common than sliced bread these days. > /.../ it was announced quite clearly in 1997 that new material had been= delivered.=20 By whom? By EMI? All of a sudden K-werk have begun to give a hoot 'bout= what record Co's think?=20 And EMI's the only record Co that'd even consider releasing new K-werk ma= terial? =20 There's way too much rumours and speculation surrounding this band, more = often than not fueled journo's and fans, so I don't find any harm in asking for sources. To my= mind, Fluer's book's quite biased - not without reason, mind you - and should hardly be read a= s the final word. - Tous =E0 v=E9lo! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:08:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: cybernetx@lycos.de Subject: (kw) kraftwerk / organisation album on cd !!! ;-) hi kwf's ! fyi : i suppose that maybe some of you might be interested to hear / read that the following item is now available on cd : kraftwerk / organisation >> tone float << ( pid / official release date : 16. 05. 2000 / price : dm 60,- ( dm = deutschmarks ;-) check out www.jpc.de , click on "suchen" / "search" : "kraftwerk" & you'll find it listed there !!! ;-) " in des weltalls ferne funke(l)n radiosterne ... " ;-) however ... many greetinx to you all from bremen @ the weser in northern-germany !!! *G+* ;-) yours sincerely , oh jay ;-) formerly known as micROBOT " the new ROBOT voice " ! ;-) ~~~ my kwf newsgroup & forum : www.egroups.com/group/kraftwerkfans my boring website ( NO PIX & NO SOUND !!! :-/ ) : www.cybernetx-media.de one of my many e-mail addy's : cybernetx@lycos.de [ +++ end of transmission !!! +++ ] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:41:34 -0400 From: dave Subject: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? sorry if this has been covered already, but how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it ? thanks, dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:21:17 EDT From: CHRISTIANCLAYCMB@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? In a message dated 7/8/00 10:40:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dvrt@interlog.com writes: << sorry if this has been covered already, but how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it ? thanks, dave >> I believe it was because Florian thought it was too serious a subject for senor coconut to do!!!!! I think other members of this list can confirm this... B4N, Christian ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:55:39 +0100 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : 1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 track times approximate. Is it worth much? Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:38:50 -0700 From: "Adam Krumbein" Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD > I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : > >1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 >2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 >3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 > >track times approximate. > >Is it worth much? I think it's worth about $10 ;) Adam Krumbein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:59:31 -0400 From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) senor coconut radioactivity ? On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:41:34 -0400 dave writes: > > sorry if this has been covered already, but > how come the repress of this album does not have radioactivity on it > ? > > thanks, > > dave according to an interview with atom(tm), KW asked that it be removed (see NYTimes 7/6/00) tom w np: the jap version with radioactivity! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:07:26 +0200 From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD > Von: "Mark Reed" > Datum: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:55:39 +0100 > An: "Jan Reetze" , "Kraftwerk Mailing List" > > Betreff: Re: (kw) expo 2000 promo CD > > > I spotted a three track UK Cd single promo with the following tacks : > > 1. 2002 radio edit 3.48 > 2. 2001 radio edit 3.48 > 3. 2000 radio edit 3.47 > > track times approximate. > > Is it worth much? > > Mark > Most 2nd-hand-shops I know sells promo copies at more or less normal prices. So I don't know a correct amount, but if it's not absurdly overpriced, I think, for a true collector a promo copy is always a good bargain. 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