From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #553 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 02 : Number 553 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:54:21 +0200 From: Stephan Schumacher Subject: Re: (kw) History Hi there, i´m 32 and i first listened to kraftwerk when i was 5 or 6. There was a music show in television moderated by Thomas Gottschalk with his pal Nico and they made a quiz with the vievers asking: "Which band plays this song?". Then they played "Autobahn" and for weeks i was sitting in the corner humming "Fahr´n fah´n fah´n auf der Autobahn". Next thing I remember was me, some years later, in a record shop buying "Computerwelt". Guess my disappointment when I realized that "The Robots" was not on this album. So I had to buy more and more until I found it. But at least "Computerwelt" became my alltime favorite album of the world. Stay tuned NUC2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:02:11 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) History Omega Chance asked : > I'd like to know how old all you guys are > and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally? well ... i'm 34 since may this year & i found out about kw , because my parents played their records to me !!! *BWG* ;-))) fyi : it was in 1975 when i was jus' about 8 years ol' & laid in bed with a very bad influenza with high fever & all that "stuff" & my mom decided to play kw's "ohm sweet ohm" to me ... as a kind of "lullaby" so to say !!! *shy_grin* ;-) guess what ??? ;-) it werked perfectly !!! *hehehe* ;-))) my influenza was gone a few days later & since that time i was really fascinated by nearly ev'rythin' kw made so far !!! *sincere_smile* :-) oh yeah , i know it's a kind of "silly sob story" , but it's true ... jus' ask my mom !!! *LOL* ;-))) however ... it's really good to see such young people ( "omega chance" , u wrote that u were jus' 14 ... if i recall it KorreKt ??? ;-) have so much interest in such a great band like kw ... no matter if they'll release ANY new material ... or maybe not !!! *pretty_confident_smile* :-) many greetinx , oh jay - "the dreamer 'n' fool" ( from northern germany ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: No Subject: (kw) Re: History - klux "I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about Kraftwerk originally?" I first heard Kraftwerk over 20 years ago on the wonderful "The Electrifying Mojo" radio program over Detroit airwaves. This partially inspired me to begin my music career at that time, as Kraftwerk is one of my main influences in my productions among other original electronic artists. Kind regards, KL http://www.kevinlux.com http://www.kevinlux.com/KW.html <- a few KW covers http://www.mp3.com/kevinlux __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:08:07 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) (OT) Tonto's Expanding Headband Shaun Vaughan wrote: /.../ Not related but around about the same time, someone introduced me = >to a record called 'About Time' by 2 American guys who called = themselves, >'Tonto's Expanding Headband'. All the music was electronically = performed=20 >on early synths (Moogs I guess). I haven't had any luck tracking down = a=20 >CD copy of this. Any of you guys familiar with this record? Not at all, however, I did some digging on tracking down the CD, and = I've found that the Viceroy Music label combined, back on 1996, both of T.o.n.t.o.'s albums onto a single-disc CD reissue called "Tonto Rides Again". You can find it at http://www.cdzone.co.uk It goes for =A312.80, so = good luck Shaun! Enrique np: Higher Intelligence Agency "Freefloater" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: RE: (kw) History >>I'm 14 A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. When did you turn 14? == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:43:42 +0200 From: "Fabien Stoffel" Subject: Re: (kw) History > A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. > > When did you turn 14? In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.) Greets, Fabien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:09:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: RE: (kw) History On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Shaun Vaughan wrote: > I'd like to know how old all you guys are and how you found out about > Kraftwerk originally? I'm 29. I first heard The Man-Machine playing at an Electrode Hut (Rat Shack (Radio Shack)) store in Calgary. It grabbed me immediately. It was the first music I really liked. - -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:15:40 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Tons of Questions... Rick J pondered: > Or there are legal issues... Indeed. It could be they don't actually own the publishing rights or even the masters. They didn't set their own publisher up 'til late '75, and although they might've bought the rights to "Autobahn" back, they might not have found the acquirement of the rights to their earlier works as interesting as buying, say, a Synclavier. - -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:34:35 -0700 From: Dale Emery Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up - --------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, sure, anyone can get a band like Depeche Mode to play at their party. But, I'll be impressed when you get Ralf & Florian together, also Karl & Wolfgang, reunited, and playing stuff off of their new album. I first heard KW in about '76, Autobahn, on the radio. Then I bought Man-Machine ('78, I was 18), and wore it out. I like ALL of KW music, but favorites are Antenna, Comet Melody 2, Airwaves, Neon Lights, TEE. The body of work and the range of it are extraordinary. To me, the KW sound is as timeless as, say, art deco design. It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean. Bix - ------------------------------------------------ Fabien Stoffel wrote: > > A Depeche Mode fan too? Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk. > > > > When did you turn 14? > > In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.) > > Greets, > Fabien - --------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, sure, anyone can get a band like Depeche Mode to play at their party.  But, I'll be impressed when you get Ralf & Florian together, also Karl & Wolfgang, reunited, and playing stuff off of their new album.

I first heard KW in about '76, Autobahn, on the radio.  Then I bought Man-Machine ('78, I was 18), and wore it out.  I like ALL of KW music, but favorites are Antenna, Comet Melody 2, Airwaves, Neon Lights, TEE.  The body of work and the range of it are extraordinary.  To me, the KW sound is as timeless as, say, art deco design.  It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean.

Bix
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Fabien Stoffel wrote:

> A Depeche Mode fan too?  Im a fan, but not as much as Kraftwerk.
>
> When did you turn 14?

In september. Depeche Mode will play at my birthday in Cologne (26.9.)

Greets,
Fabien

- --------------AFCDEFBB9BC59ADDDF59D252-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:42:07 -0400 From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up Wow!!! I was just thinking the same thing :-) You Kraftwerkers are great! Dale Emery wrote: ""It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, accessible yet promethean. "" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:10:48 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) History + words to look up nitrus wrote : > Wow!!! I was just thinking the same thing :-) > > You Kraftwerkers are great! *LOL* ;-))) yes indeed , we are ( like the robotz ;-) !!! *G+* ;-) > Dale Emery wrote: > > "It is diaphanous yet hits like a sledge, abstruse, > accessible yet promethean." hey dale , can i use this as a catch-up line in the future ... or do u still own the copyright to it ??? *hehehe* ;-))) anyway ... many thanx in advance & CHEERS_!!! *BWG* ;-))) oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:11:54 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band [Was: History] Shaun V wondered: > Any of you guys familiar with this record? Both T.O.N.T.O. albums, "Zero Time" (1971) and "It's About Time" (1972) originally issued on Embryo, were re-issued on CD as "T.O.N.T.O. Rides Again" (1996) on Viceroy. The band takes it's name from The Original New Timbral Orchestra, a large collection of custom built Moog modules constructed by Bob Moog, Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. While Bob took off to tinker on the Mini Moog, Cecil and Margouleff set about recording TV and movie soundtracks (as well as producing Lothar & The Hand People) before recording on their own as T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band. (Though the second album was simply credited to 'Tonto'.) Since then, Cecil and Margouleff have worked with a wide range of artists - from Stevie Wonder ("Music of My Mind"), The Isley Brothers, The Gap Band, Quincy Jones, to Devo ("Freedom of Choice") and Depeche Mode (the US "But Not Tonight" remix) - replacing some of the more troublesome modules in the T.O.N.T.O. setup with Serge modules. (Also a favourite with Vince Clarke.) Apparently, most of the original T.O.N.T.O. modules now sit in the basement of Devo/The Big Dirty Farmers Mark Mothersbaugh. Go figure. - -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:11:44 +0200 From: Lech Subject: (kw) Re: Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes ;-) Jan R schreibt: > How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom Himmel hoch" [?] Bombs dropping. But maybe that's just me. Time for my pill... - -- Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo Mark does music for a child's show called "Rugrats" which seems to be very popular. Ironic how this guy was once a strange New Wave leader of the 80's and now on a child's show.... == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:04:13 -0000 From: "ian tyson" Subject: RE: (kw) History I'm Ian, from Scotland. I'm 39 and have been listening to KW since 1977. It was the era of punk in the UK and in my local record shop I came across the Trans Europe Express album. This was the first time I had heard of KW and I bought the album for three reasons: 1) The cover (I have never bought an album before or since simply because of the cover). During this period there were either hippie bands or new exciting punk bands. This album was dated 1977 and did not fit with anything else at the time. The instrument list made it clear that there were no conventional rock'n'roll instruments being used. The cover obviously had a lot of thought and work in it so the band must have had something unique to offer. 2) The band was German. During the UK punk scene there was a backlash against the American style rock bands and UK groups that emulated them. UK groups presented a British identity, so what about a group that were so clearly German? 3) I had an interest in German classical composers, the KW image seemed to pay homage to this heritage. TEE did not dissapoint and "Europe Endless" remains one of my favourite songs. The next KW album I found was a double album simply called "Kraftwerk" which I now realise was a reissue of KW1 and KW2. This was so different from TEE that I decided to buy the rest of the albums in between to see how TEE came about. A few years later in 1980 I worked as a DJ at an American Navy Base and used to present a night of soul music for the Afro Americans. Although KW was not dance music, I felt that there was something in common with the way it should be listened to. When rock fans listened to dance music all they heard was a repetitive beat. Rock music is equally repetitive but the beat is in the background and the guitars and vocals are out front. With dance music you have the beat out front, but you don't listen to the beat; you feel it. Like TEE (and the following albums), you feel the beat and the rythm but listen to the melody. I used to import a lot of music from the USA and then one day I heard Afrika Baambaata's Planet Rock sampling TEE. The record was an instant hit with my audience. I was facinated by the fact that Baambaataa was inspired both by Zulu culture and a group of classicaly trained German musicians. KW was I think the only white musicians I ever played during my black music night on a regular basis. Needless to say I have not stopped listening to KW and as far as I am concerned every album they have made is precious. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:04:44 +0200 From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) History Oh Jay schrieb: > (...) my mom decided to > play kw's "ohm sweet ohm" to me ... as a kind of "lullaby" so to say !!! > *shy_grin* ;-) > guess what ??? ;-) it werked perfectly !!! *hehehe* ;-))) my influenza was > gone a few days later (...) Great. A medical wounder happened ;-). (Kraftwerk, the musician medicine men?) Greets, Georgie - -- * http://members.blackbox.net/georgie/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:46:23 EDT From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) History I'm 18 years old. When I was 14 my guitar teacher reccomended Kraftwerk to me after I got into Gary Numan. I downloaded some clips off of their first few albums from a website and became very interested. I bought all of their other albums but was not able to track down their early material until about a year later. Those albums continue to be my favorites and led me to buy a lot of other German psychedelic bands from that period, Guru Guru and Cluster being my favorite. Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:48:41 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) History Hello, I'm 25 years old, will be 26 on Jully 4. I think I heard KW the very first time on a pirate radio station here in Paris in 1982 or 1983 . This was a station that was just only repeataging two songs: KW the Robots and David Bowie's Fashion. I heard T.E.E. in a train station afterward as a background music afew years later and this track also amazed me , but I was very young so I didn't care about what it was from. I really discovered KW in 1991 when a radio station once during the night started playing Radio-activity (the original version). I was not sleeping , just listening to the radio on my bed and this song kept playing in me over and over. I finally go to a CD store and bough "The Mix" , this was the only KW CD they had , but I remember that I was disappointed the first time I plaid it because this was of course not the original version of RA . Later I bough all KW albums , first some on vinyl or tapes , then on CD's at a high import price ! Then some years later I finally connected to the Internet and the first MP3 (actually MP2) file I downloaded was a live version from Mensch-maschine. I must say that I learnt just all about KW from this list and the Web. Cheers. Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:45:40 +0100 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Re: T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Head Band [Was: History] Lech wrote: > Apparently, most of the original T.O.N.T.O. modules now sit in the basement of > Devo/The Big Dirty Farmers Mark Mothersbaugh. Go figure. I read in a post, sent to another music list last October, that, although Mark Mothersbaugh was granted extensive access to TONTO, and indeed had it in his studio, Malcolm Cecil retained ownership, and moved it into storage last year. I don't know if this is true - but if anyone wants to track down TONTO, it's another story to take into account, maybe! Somewhere on the Web, there is (or was) a scan of MM, posing like a dummy with TONTO... & this modular synthesiser also starred in the film 'Phantom of the Paradise'. ;-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:15:19 +0100 From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) (OT) Tonto's Expanding Headband Enrique Thanks for that info. 'Soon as I get back on the web, I'll see if I can order it. Cheers Shaun Not at all, however, I did some digging on tracking down the CD, and I've found that the Viceroy Music label combined, back on 1996, both of T.o.n.t.o.'s albums onto a single-disc CD reissue called "Tonto Rides Again". You can find it at http://www.cdzone.co.uk It goes for £12.80, so good luck Shaun! Enrique np: Higher Intelligence Agency "Freefloater" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:18:36 +0000 From: volvo1971@att.net Subject: (kw) History I'm 32. I can't remember exactly when and where I first heard The Model...I think it was on a local radio station in Ohio (USA). I already was into Gary Numan and Blondie, so I was primed for that song. I only heard it once, but it stuck in my head for a long time. When I first heard it, I didn't know who peformed it, so I kept vigil on my radio hoping they would play it again. Eventually I found out it was Kraftwerk and found TEE in a record store hoping The Model was on it. It wasn't, but I liked what I heard. The rest is history. Actually I'm more into Kraftwerk today than I was then thanks to the Internet. It's almost impossible to get info about KW here in the States since they are nowhere near as popular as they are in Europe. The best I could do is go to independent record stores looking for imports and new releases. Thank goodness for this list or else I would never have known about Expo 2000. Mike F # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:38:10 -0000 From: "richard marston" Subject: (kw) New album? Various people have said: "I personally don't belive there will be any new "official" KW-album "> The new KW album is for June right? Well it's 11 June now... what's happening? If you recall the other rumor was that it got put on hold due to art work problems!! :-( " "Guess what! It happend the same thing as happend in September 1997 or in summer 2000. Someone fooled us. (That's my opinion)" "The same thing that has happened to the last dozen confirmed new album rumors over the last few years, no doubt. I won't believe there's a new album until I see it in the store." "once again, Kraftwerk has let us all down ;'\ " "I would say that once again, someone has raised false hopes and then let us down. That someone isn't Kraftwerk; they never say anything." My view is if there's going to be a new album you'll see the most reliable advance news from the www.kraftwerk.com/de websites, like the way they 'announced' the remixes of Expo2000. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:58:49 -0000 From: "ian tyson" Subject: (kw) RE:(KW) Dummies and KW themes OK, here's my thoughts on what Andrew was saying. We are dummies if we choose to be dummies; we are robots if we choose to be robots. We may present ourselves as individuals but still be robots, we may be robots but present ourselves as individuals. KW presents us with the image of the robot. KW present us with a question, they do not make a statement. Also (unlike oh jay), I see "The Model" as part of the same theme of the showroom dummy, man machine and robot. KW have presented this concept in four different ways, as dummies that dance at discos, as a glamorous female who's existence (and strength) is built on consumerism, as a machine slave, and as mass population behaving as a machine (well that's my interpretation of man machine). This would suggest to me that this is not simply songs about robots. KW were inspired by the sound and the image of the Beachboys. Also they liked the image of the Ramones. Both groups having a corporate identity that complimented the unique approach to making music. KW fist appeared on an album cover with the release of TEE. The image was business like, romantic, and a little unreal- possibly humorous, possibly sinister. Image is more often than not a very superficial thing in the music business. This is because image is usually purely a marketing gimmick, to compensate for a lack musical identity rather than enhancing it. This is not the case with KW. The image is a vehicle for the music. And the music is often about image itself. So when KW presents us with a robot, we are forced to either relate to it or reject it. A puppet show is an alternative to theatre, not a substitute. In a puppet show we can concentrate on actions without being distracted by personality. Cartoons are an alternative to actors, I find The Simpsons and King of The Hill to be more real than most soap operas. A mask is not something to hide behind, but rather a freedom to express other character traits that are not constrained by a public image. Wolfgang Flur described KW music as often cold. I don't see this, I see a cold image, this allows for less superficial emotions to come though. I suppose the perfect song is one that is accessible but unique to the listener. I certainly can't say which KW album I like best, or like least. I have noticed that a lot of people on this list did not appreciate the Mix, but to me it is as strong as all the other albums. I believe it was the right thing to do. A greatest hits album would simply present the music out of context, the Mix however provided a relevant interpretation of previous music. It is like KW looking in the Hall of Mirrors. And the image, like the music, not romantic - business like, possibly humorous, possibly sinister, but I felt something that did not come across on the other albums- a touch of anger or frustration. Radioactivity is the least subtle statement they have made, The Robots sound empowered, The TEE does not have time to stop and meet old acquaintances, and Music Not Stop sounds like an argument. I can not picture a Mix2 with The Model, Europe Endless etc. Karl Bartos, and Wolfgang Flur did not care much for the image of the skeletal robots. Bartos thought it was outdated compared too Terminator and the like. I disagree, the robots are not about technology, they are art. They are not scary monsters, they are ....er.. human. Finally (phew!) a word about the dear departed. I do not condone R & F treatment of the other KW members, particularly the elimination of the names from the re-issue CDs. However, I do wonder what this is all about. Why is the KW image so jealously protected, unless there is new material to be released. I can understand that Bartos and Flur were frustrated at being in KW during the 80s, and I certainly like their solo work. They are very talented people. I can however, understand that the KW image is so powerful and integral to the music that they had to be restrained when they were KW members. Wolfgang has every right to be hurt by his treatment, but this is the way of KW. I can't help but feel that Ralph and Florian have a final work to release. This would help explain things. But will it ever get released? Ok back to sleep now. regards, ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) No New Album.... Here's what I got back from EMI.... - ------ Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, Vielen Dank für Ihr Mail und Ihr Interesse an unseren Künstlern. Leider müssen wir Ihnen mitteilen, dass für Juni kein neues Album von Kraftwerk geplant ist. Ebenfalls möchten wir Ihnen mitteilen, dass es zur Zeit kein Projekt der Gruppe läuft. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Das EMI Team - ----- In English: Thanks for the e-mail and interest in our artist. We regret to inform you there is no album scheduled for release by Kraftwerk this June. == Signed, omegaChance AIM: omegaChance ICQ: 9695138 EMAIL: Omega@Herzeleid.net www.OmegaChance.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:12:30 +0100 From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) RE:No New Album.... No album this month, but there is a growing belief that it will be released in September, after the artwork problems are dealt with. That's one month before New Order release their album. Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:43:30 -0700 From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Ref: History (TONTO) On Tuesday, Shaun Vaughan asked about "T.O.N.T.O." They were one of my favorite synth groups, and came onto my radar screen about the same time "Autobahn" did (along with Tangerine Dream and Synergy). In a nutshell - Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil were the guys behind T.O.N.T.O. (The Original New Timbral Orchestra). It's actually a series of 12 synths (based on a Series III Moog) linked together and played simultaneously. It was renouned for it's fat bass sounds (very difficult to get in analog machines), but was notoriously high-maintenance. It can be heard on most all of Stevie Wonders 70's output, starting with "Music of My Mind". There were two albums credited to "TONTO's Expanding Head Band". The First "ZeroTime" was originally issued on US Embryo SD732 in 1973, and reissued on US Atlantic SD18123 in 1975. The second was "It's About Time" UK Polydor 2383-308 in 1974. Fortunately, there was a CD produced. "Tonto Rides Again" on US Viceroy Vintage VIN6036-2 was issued in 1996, featuring the whole of "ZeroTime", and most of "It's About Time", in HDCD to boot. The liner notes include tributes from Stevie Wonder and Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo, who now owns the instrument. Unfortunately, the CD is now out of print. I found a couple of copies of "Zerotime" on US Ebay, for those interested. More info on Tonto can be found at the All Music Guide (www.allmusicguide.com). Hope this helps. -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:15:18 +0100 From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) No New Album.... Oh well, never mind. While we carry on waiting, I hope it's not a total musical wasteground for everyone. What's everybody listening to recently? Got any pointers for other good electronica? This is what's on my CD player of late: ORBITAL - The Altogether (OK, but not as good as previous efforts) RADIOHEAD - Amnesiac (Even darker than previous albums, takes a few listens to get into it) URBAN FUNK BREAKS Vol 2 - Botchit & Scarper breakbeat compliation (detected a few KW samples in this lot) AIR - 10,000 Hz Legend (disappointing follow up to Moon Safari) DAFT PUNK - Discovery (Daft Punk doing the robot thing. Again, not as groundbreaking as previous album) PLAID - Double Figure (Third album - good sounding electronics) MOUSE ON MARS - Idiology (These boys are out there on their own - amazing music) Also, dug out my old copy of Metamatic by John Foxx (1980. Virgin Records) If you like Kraftwerk, I'd be amazed if you didnt like this. Shaun Thanks for the e-mail and interest in our artist. We regret to inform you there is no album scheduled for release by Kraftwerk this June. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:03:00 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) No New Album.... Shaun Vaughan wrote : > Also, dug out my old copy of Metamatic by John Foxx > (1980. Virgin Records) > If you like Kraftwerk, I'd be amazed if you didnt like this. yeah , john's "stuff" is really *kewl* & if u like the "metamatic" album , then check out his newer "stuff" like the "shifting city" album with louis gordon from 1997 on his own metamatic label !!! ;-) also highly recommended is his latest compilation-album , called "modern art" !!! ;-) go here >> http://www.metamatic.com << & find out more about john & his werk so far !!! ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:52:18 +0100 From: Chris K Jackman Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Vom Himmel hoch (was: kw's songs & their general themes ;-) In article <3B2693A0.F20AB9AC@telia.com>, Lech writes > >Jan R schreibt: >> How would you describe the leading sound of "Vom Himmel hoch" [?] > >Bombs dropping. >But maybe that's just me. >Time for my pill... Hi there, I couldn't resist commenting too. I've thought it sounds like an air-raid with bombs dropping and anti- aircraft guns/ armoured vehicles driving about. However, my mind goes a bit off on a tangent and the best way I can describe what continues in the intro of Vom Himmel are ducks (maybe cyborg/robotic ducks...) duelling on motorbikes and riding about at great speed. I know it's crazy, but who's to say... I'd love an animator or film maker to come up with a video to go with the tracks on this album. Anyone know if KW had any imagery that influenced the tracks? Certain tracks on KW 1&2 remind me of parts of the film soundtrack to Kubrick's 2001 in a way. I've always thought that KW albums are like films without pictures that you can listen to from start to finish and feel as if you've been on a strange but fantastic journey, of sorts... I've been a Kraftwerk fan for as long as I can remember and their music is almost timeless, probably because there has never been anything to compare with it. For a long time the earliest KW album I owned was Trans Europe Express and I thought of them as a purely techno style band. It wasn't unit my ears had matured, maybe, that I recently bought all the early albums: KW 1&2, R&F, Radioactivity, Autobahn. I didn't know what I was missing and these opened my ears to a whole new side of KW I had no idea existed and could clearly see the progression of their musical style, and themes, to how the band are in the 21st century. It's tragic, but no-one could ever take the place of this unique band. - -- Chris K Jackman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #553 *******************************