From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #563 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 02 : Number 563 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:31:33 -0500 From: plutarch@thehelm.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France >>I think Jan Ullrich will win Is KW playing from the Telekom bus? Are they broadcasting "Tour de France= " to the Telekom riders inbetween transmissions while riding? Is Richard Vi= renque doing the vocals in French? Is one of the podium girls from the Vuelta do= ing the Spanish vocals on Sex Object? Is Kevin Livingston doing so badly beca= use he does not fit in the Telekom Man-Machine? "I program cyclo-computer." ________________________________________ Get your free email at www.friendlyemail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:28:34 +0200 From: "Dirk Matten" Subject: (kw) Sequenzer Hi Jan, it was my partner Hajo und me, who built that Synthanorma-Sequenzer for Kraftwerk. Sure there were sequencers before, but none with switches to programm the complete sequence in seconds. And that was the fact to make it suitable for pop and performance. If you like, please have a look to my website and you will find more details under: http://www.elektropolis.de/ssb_vorgeschichte3.htm Best regards Dirk Matten ex Synthesizerstudio Bonn, Matten & Wiechers ______________________________________________________________________________ Fast alle Fluege koennen Ihnen egal sein. Einer nicht: Ihrer! Flug.de hat ihn: http://flug.de/sb/?PP=0-5-100-105-6 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 2001 01:14:25 -0500 From: Thomas Cherryhomes Subject: (kw) Sequencers I'm sorry, after following this post, I had to comment.... Sequencers were around during the late 1960s. Bob Moog had his Moog 960 Sequential Controller as part of his early modular synths as early as 1965.... And does nobody seem to remember that the Buchla Model 100s had at LEAST one sequencer? (Morton Sobotnick was an avid user of the Buchla and it's sequencers, using multiple sequencers to control, not only pitch, amplitude, and filter, but also spatial panning within the mix as well! Listen to Silver Apples of the Moon!) Or what about the 10-step sequencer that was an integral part of most ARP (Tonus) 2500 configurations, as early as 1969? (anyone remember the sequencer in Close Encounters, btw? that was an arp 2500 being played by its creator, Phil Dobbs, head engineer for ARP.) :-) And let's not even go with Dr. Zeinoveiff and David Cockrell's work at EMS. Heh, they had sequencers that did 128 steps back in 1971! With double that with the Sequencer 256 in 1972. Granted, all these sequential controllers had one thing in common.... THEY WERE EXPENSIVE. It wasn't until the mid-1970s when companies like Sequential Circuits produced the first commercially viable sequencers, such as the Sequential 800 (this was in 1975, several years before Sequential Circuits even thought of making their most widely known synthesizer, the Prophet-5). It's also worth noting that the Sequential 700 programmer also made a damn fine addition to any Minimoog or like synth (although it could only really be used well on MiniMoogs or synths which had been modified with an Amplitude CV jack)....anyway, I digress. now, the sequencers that kraftwerk used....that's somewhat of a different story.... Like Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk outsourced to other companies to develop their sequencers (although TD did use the Moog 960 sequential controller quite heavily, they wanted more synchronized control than the 960 could provide, not to mention better tuning!)... Kraftwerk turned to Matten & Weichers to build huge 32 step sequencers (god only knows how many busses the sequencers had, on stage footage I saw at least two)..Those took time to develop :-) and it's kind of funny that they didn't really replace them in their studio until their digital retrofitting which started around the time of Computerworld... And TD Turned to Projekt-Elektronik for all sorts of sequencer gadgetry.... I wonder if either of them are still around? probably not. Some food for thought :-) Thom Cherryhomes (aka TSCHAK on GimpNET IRC) - -- Free software developer, hacker, sound synthesist, and a devoted Kraftwerk Fan :-) -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:44:15 -0500 From: plutarch@thehelm.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France >>>I think Jan Ullrich will win > >Are they broadcasting "Tour de France" to the Telekom riders >inbetween transmissions while riding? Jan Ullrich listens to Kraftwerk during stage 6 saying the words of "Tour= de France" to himself: http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/jul01/tdf2/AFPullrich_6.shtml Is Kraftwerk going to stop using Oakley frames and start using Rudy Proje= cts? (Or is Telekom going to stop using Rudy Projects and start using Oakleys?= ) ________________________________________ Get your free email at www.friendlyemail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:19:36 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: Aphex Twin (was RE: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up) Enrique Correa wrote: > Karlheinz Stockhausen is to perform live 18th October 2001 at the Barbican > Centre (London). William Orbit will be performing material especially for > this show, Aphex Twin, Talvin Singh & Craig Armstrong will also be > performing live which promises to be a memorizing avant-garde evening. > Concert tickets for this event are not yet available. > BTW, Aphex Twin will release a new double CD right around that time. In NME Richard D. James said he'd retired after Windowlicker, he talks about he'd only be djing, soon after he said he'd release some stuff later. I suppose that it's bad for him to think about people waiting for his next record because of the pressure he might feel that might just stop his creative flow a bit. Mmm..., that sounds me so familiar! :-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:16:18 -0000 From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories OK, this is my effort. Every KW song since Autobahn and all in order! I was driving down the “autobahn", when I heard a strange sound. I stopped the car and got out to listen. There was a meteor shower in the sky, and a passing comet made a strange tuneful noise. Then ten minutes later another one passed playing a different melody. “Comet Melody 1” was rather sinister, but “Comet Melody 2” seemed quite tuneful. It was now nearly “midnight” so I headed back home thinking how lucky I was to witness this strange phenomenon. Next day I headed back to the same location for my early “morning walk”. There seemed to be quite a lot of cosmic debris lying around and a group of scientists were studying it with a “Geiger counter”. It seemed they could detect strong traces of “radioactivity”. The place was cordoned off and declared a No Go area, the locals now refer to it as “Radio Land”. The incident was never broadcast on the “airwaves”, not even during the “intermission” between local “news”, and the weather forecast. New age hippies started to frequent the area claiming it was a message from another world. They referred to one of the large meteorites as “The Voice of Energy” and tried to communicate with it using a large “antenna”. The commune that sprung up became increasingly weird and chose to be known as “The Radio Stars”. Local people feared for their safety as it was rumoured that there were dangerous “uranium” deposits in the area. This did not seem to bother the cult who were now growing in number and holding rituals around the large meteorite. One of the cult was known as the Trance-Brother, and he led the rituals with a young woman called the “Trans-sistor” (sorry). They all stood in a circle chanting “ohm sweet ohm- ohm sweet 0hm”. This was just getting to weird and too busy, I decided to head off across Europe in search of some sanity. It was a long journey, “Europe endless” so it seemed. One day I came across a fair ground. In need of some fun, I took a walk through the “hall of mirrors”. As I studied my hideously distorted body in the mirror I could see reflected in the background two young ladies at the opposite end of the room. Although their images were distorted, I could make out that they were probably quite attractive young ladies. I did not turn to look at them but instead I watched the mirror for a while, amusing myself by guessing what they really looked like. When I did eventually turn round, I realised that the (potential) objects of my desire were two “showroom dummies”. As I was supposed to be trying to get away from weird happenings, I said to myself, enough, lets move on”. I boarded the “Trans Europe Express” heading towards France. As the train “departed “(abzug) I listened to the “metal on metal” as the train rolled over the track. I was pleased to be on the move again and hummed a “Franz Schubert“ melody before falling into what seemed like an “endless endless” sleep. I arrived in Paris in the midst of a science fiction festival. People dressed like robots, and alien costumes in abundance. It was like being back at home again. “The robots” walked mechanically over to me and presented me with complimentary cinema tickets. I went to the cinema kiosk that was decorated like the inside of a “space lab” with a beautiful celebrity model wearing a silver suit. A ticket to see Fritz Lang's “Metropolis” was handed to me by “the model”. I went into the auditorium, which was lit by small “neon lights”, and there on the screen was the” man machine” from Lang’s classic film. The science fiction festival also housed a large cybercafe promoted as the “Computer World”. I used my “pocket calculator “to convert the currency, and the “numbers” confirmed that I could defiantly afford the admission charge. So I entered “Computer World 2” check my email (ouch). I was soon distracted by the interactive “Computer Love” facilities. I met a beautiful young woman who told me how she was lonely and lived a quiet life in a small French town, and would love to meet me. I thought, I really must upgrade my “homecomputer,” “it’s more fun to compute” when you have the latest interactive technology! I left the festival and headed for downtown Paris. The “Tour De France” had just ended that day, and the city was busy and in a carnival mood. I heard the loud “Boing Boom Tchack” of music pounding from the discos, buskers in the street, from accordions to “techno pop” it was “music-non-stop” throughout the city. I went to a phone booth to make a “telephone call” home. Inside the booth there were adverts for prostitutes, and massage parlours. One of the cards had in bright pink lettering “I want to be your “Sex Object”” and the woman in the picture was the supposedly quiet, lonely French girl I met at the Computer world’s “Electric Cafe”. I was in a state of shock. I started to think of all the strange events that had occurred since the night I had been driving home hearing the comets on the autobahn, the radioactivity, the robots, my computer love experience.... it just became one confused “mix.” I went mad and ran into the streets shouting Expo 2000!!!!!!! And I have never worked since. ... now I'll get on with something more constructive, ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:53:19 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Song Title Stories hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote : > OK, this is my effort. > Every KW song since Autobahn and all in order! *WOW* !!! >:-O honestly , i'm deeply impressed by your story & i also suppose that NO-ONE can or will beat u anymore !!! *very_sincere_smile* :-))) so i think that we can finally announce the "winners" of this lil' "contest" : 1.) ian tyson 2.) omega chance 3.) oh jay ;-) CONGRATULATIONS to ian & omega !!! *G+* ;-) > I went mad and ran into the streets shouting > Expo 2000!!!!!!! And I have never worked since. *ROTFLAMO* ;-))) well ... let's all hope that kw won't take this seriously & indeed stopped werkin' !!! *a_lil_bit_worried_look* :-o > ... now I'll get on with something more constructive, what can be more KonstruKtive , than writin' such a great story , eh ??? *XLG* ;-))) however ... lots of thanx to ian & omega , for contributin' their wonderful stories & cheers 'n' greetinx to y' all !!! *thankful_'n'_happy_smile* :-))) oh jay - "the 3rd" ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:48:50 -0400 From: "Christian Claycomb" Subject: RE: (kw) Sequenzer >Hi Jan, >it was my partner Hajo und me, who built that=20 >Synthanorma-Sequenzer for Kraftwerk. Sure there were sequencers=20 >before, but none with switches to programm the complete sequence=20 >in seconds. And that was the fact to make it suitable for pop=20 >and performance. >If you like, please have a look to my website and you will find=20 >more details under: http://www.elektropolis.de/ssb_vorgeschichte3.htm > >Best regards > >Dirk Matten >ex Synthesizerstudio Bonn, Matten & Wiechers Wow!! =3D:-0=20 Hey thank you for taking the time to post that answer!!! :-) It isn't = very often we are so fortunate to have someone that werked so close to = Kraftwerk post here!!!! I just wish there was an english version to your = web site! Well... maybe I can give bable fish a try huh!! *LOL* So your = work had to contibute to modern sequencers huh!?!?!=20 Many thanx from a Kraftwerk fan..... Great werk!!! =20 Christian http://www.mp3.com/christianac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) Tour de France I say the same thing to myself when I cycling...wow. - --- plutarch@thehelm.com > wrote: >Jan Ullrich listens to Kraftwerk during stage 6 saying the words of "Tour >de France" to himself == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:11:49 -0000 From: "ian tyson" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Cristian Claycomb wrote: What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what everyone else thinks. To define KW's music. It is unique. Well that's the short answer. If you ask me what other artists I like I could say for example, Richard Wagner, Mouse on Mars, Laibach, Alan Vega, Nils Aslak Vaalkepaa, Johnny Cash, Velvet Underground... to name a few. This does not mean that I like most music. Quite the opposite. Liking Wagner does not mean I like all operas, liking Johnny Cash does not mean I like all Country music. If you ask me if I am an opera, country, rock or indie fan I couldn't really say. All of the people mentioned above are innovators. They were inventors of new values that other people copied or developed further. And this is exactly what KW are, creators, innovators, inventors. Incidentally I don't have any interest in Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, Soft Cell etc.. So basically I am attracted to artists with truly original ideas. Of course music is about feeling, and to be original does not necessarily mean good art. The difference between an original idea and a gimmick is this: (IMHO) a gimmick is the art of representing or repackaging a familiar product or idea (politicians and popstars are masters of this), an original idea is something that has never been presented before. KW certainly presented a new concept in creating music. So what I like about KW's music is best answered by explaining why I like original ideas. And what makes an original idea good art. Creating an original idea is preceded by identifying a need or desire that remains unfulfilled. This is true of all inventions, the telephone to allow people to communicate over long distance, the pocket calculator to enable fast and accurate processing of financial administration. In music and art it means expressing something that has not never been successfully expressed before (Van Gough's passion for colour in landscape, Hank William's and the emotions of the simple country man). Good art is never fully understood. You should never fully understand why you like something that stirs your emotions. If it feels right, then it is right. Why do people like sad films... not because it makes them happy? It is because it communicates in a way that is not fully understood by the observer. KW expresses a passion and an appreciation of modern life and technology. They see in a pocket calculator what Van Gough saw in a landscape. Elements I like about KWs music To say I like KW because they play good melodies or have cool electronic sounds and a great image, would simply not be adequate. But these are elements I like. For me personally, I have never been comfortable with the egotistical exuberance in American and British rock music. I loved punk music when it came out. It was not egocentric, just raw emotion. I like a lot of dance music because.... it feels good (Donna Summer - I Feel Love, how do you explain that?) some Country and Western because they don't care if it is over-sentimental- well that is real life, a cliché becomes a cliché usually because it is true. Anyway... KW. One of the fundamental elements I like about their music is that it is German, that is to say not American. It is introverted, rather than extrovert like rock'n'roll. One of my favourite albums is Possessed by the Balanescu Quartet, which features 5 cover versions of KW songs played on violins, cello and viola. The Romanian composer Alexander Balanescu has seen beyond the packaging of KW and managed to develop a new presentation for what is essentially good music. KW's music is rooted in German/European history but modern in its context and presentation. Note the amount of Pre World War 2 imagery in KW's artwork. Someone once said they had an "antique vision of the future". ... and another thing... Incidentally, I know there are mixed feelings about Afrika Baambaataa's Planet Rock among the list members. To me Baambaabata is also an innovator and this was not understood by KW. KW were Germans creating the ambience of Dusseldorf, this required not only a new approach to making music, but also the development of new instruments. Baambaata was an Afro-American in New York celebrating the spirit of Zulu culture in an urban context. This also required new instruments; pre-recorded music. To sue Baambaataa was like copywritting musical notes and chords. ian t _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:24:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? > Cristian Claycomb wrote: > > What elements do you like the most in Kraftwerk music... what is it that > makes you define Kraftwerk music in your opinion? Just curious to know what > everyone else thinks. That's easy: It's good. It was the first good music, and it's still high amongst the best. :) - -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? Hmmm...whats funny is: At first I didn't like all of Kraftwerk's songs once I bought my first KW album (The Mix). I liked like 3 tracks and that was it (Robots, Radioactivity, Computer Love). But for some reason, I kept going back to the store and buying more albums. I sort of "learned" to like all of their material. I became interested in what the older versions sounded like compared to the re-vamped ones. Now, I can listen to 'The Mix' and listen to all the songs, and like it. In fact, in the beginning, I was less interested in the music than the group itself. They amazed me on how good they sounded, but kept so mysterious. I always wanted to know more about them. Maybe Kraftwerk's mysteriousity is infact a good thing after all. == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Omega Chance Subject: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn I always liked the old version of the Autobahn. It sounds like a masterpiece. I especially like the echoing on "Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl". It just sounds so perfect. The timeless-ness of the "Fahr'n's" and how the radio squeaks qhen Ralf is still singing. The flute and the tinkling near the end. Its just a great song. The new one however, loses the echo, the weak voice on the "Fahr'n's", The radio seaking when Ralf is singing, and the flutes/tinkles! I dont care for the yodling bit either. So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? == *************** * omegaChance * *************** AOL Instant Messenger: omegaChance ICQ: 96951338 E-MAIL: Omega@herzeleid.net http://www.GC-2.com _____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:06:06 EDT From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn I definitely prefer the original version of Autobahn. For a long time I only knew the Mix version, so I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up the old album. I enjoyed the vocoder part at the end of the Mix version, but for me it was never worth listening to the music that preceded it just to get to that part. Sam Omega@herzeleid.net writes: << I always liked the old version of the Autobahn. It sounds like a masterpiece. I especially like the echoing on "Die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl". It just sounds so perfect. The timeless-ness of the "Fahr'n's" and how the radio squeaks qhen Ralf is still singing. The flute and the tinkling near the end. Its just a great song. The new one however, loses the echo, the weak voice on the "Fahr'n's", The radio seaking when Ralf is singing, and the flutes/tinkles! I dont care for the yodling bit either. So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? == *************** * omegaChance * *************** >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:16:01 +0100 From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) Elektrokinetic Hello kw's Put me out of my misery. What is Elektrokinetic, and does anyone have it? Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:37:41 +0100 From: "Shaun Vaughan" Subject: RE: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn Both versions have their own charms but I do love the vocoder harmonies on the Mix version. I recently bought the CD, Concert Classics (early 70's recording) where they perform the old version live. I was surprised at the quality of this recording and how well they performed it live. Shaun I definitely prefer the original version of Autobahn. For a long time I only knew the Mix version, so I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up the old album. I enjoyed the vocoder part at the end of the Mix version, but for me it was never worth listening to the music that preceded it just to get to that part. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:46:22 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) What is it about Kraftwerk music? hi kwf's ! ian tyson wrote : > To define KW's music. > > It is unique. Well that's the short answer. [ skipped the rest of ian's rather eloquent description of why he like's kw's music ] fyi : i couldn't agree more to it !!! > ... and another thing... [ also skipped the main part ] > To sue Baambaataa was like > copywritting musical notes and chords. *hehehe* ;-))) yep , that's "write" !!! *slyest_grin* ;-) but what i actually like most about this sentence is ian's misspellin' of the word "copyRIGHTing" !!! *XLG* ;-))) "copyWRITING" is indeed what most of today's music producers do ... & therefore we really don't have much "original" music anymore !!! *sighs_deeply* :-o anyway ... the real innovators are those , who try to discover A_SOURCE , AN_ORIGIN ... & not those , who wander around the "main-stream" , jus' pickin' up "things" ( i. e. sounds , colors , shapes , etc. ) & find themselves swimmin' in the big pond of the music industry to SELL their produkts !!! *grim* :-/ so STOP "copyWRITING" & START "ORIGINating" somethin' , fellows !!! *G+* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:05:34 +0200 From: "Oh Jay" Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn hi kwf's ! Omega Chance asked : > So I choose the Old Autobahn, what are you guys' opinions? i personally also prefer "the old autobahn" ... & also "the old computer love" , because i'm somehow "a nostalgic jerk" !!! *BWG* ;-))) btw : u still CAN'T "digitalize" nostalgia !!! *sly_grin* ;-) however ... greetinx , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:40:56 +0100 From: "Robert Evans" Subject: (kw) BOING BOOM TSCHAK!!! Hello kw's Boing Boom Tschak!! http://www.kraftwerk.com Rob. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:30:02 EDT From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) BOING BOOM TSCHAK!!! - --part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In einer eMail vom 16.7.2001 20:46:43 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzei schreibt robert_evans1@hotmail.com: > Boing Boom Tschak!! > hehehe...funny! MfG Carsten Bolte. Kiel. - --part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In einer eMail vom 16.7.2001 20:46:43 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzei schreibt
robert_evans1@hotmail.com:


Boing Boom Tschak!!

hehehe...funny!

MfG

Carsten Bolte. Kiel.
- --part1_be.1761e163.2884a8ca_boundary-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:38:30 -0700 From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) (OT) Kick-ass concert coming up (UPDATE) The "elektronic" concerts held at the Barbican Centre in London, between 13th-18th October will include nights with Talvin Singh, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Irmin Schmidt & Kumo, William Orbit, Jon Hassell & Craig Armstrong, and Aphex Twin. Concert tickets for this event will be available from Friday 20th July. More details will follow soon. Enrique np: Richard D James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:46:59 -0500 From: Andrew Dieffenbach Subject: Re: (kw) Old Autobahn vs. New Autobahn First of all, I'm curious: Most of you know that the harmony singing on the Mix's "Autobahn" was not produced by a vocoder? It was rather created by vocal synthesis software. However, I'm sure the principles of the modulation, transforms, and such are similar in relation. I must say, I think that singing part is a great moment in techno music--a electronic choir of sorts. I don't know how it fits within the Autobahn context, but it is certainly definitive of the early prophetically named "machine-music." It's damn appropriate for "The Robots" and somewhat humorous with the "It's More Fun to Compute" section later on the album. And I'm sure some of you on the list will cringe when I mention how a computer states, in Japanese, it's the OPERATOR with ITS pocket-calculator. Kraftwerk must have known that only the Japanese were capable of realizing this truth... of course, I'm joking... just trying to shake a few heads. I don't quite see any clear views of why which version is "better." Seems to me, often without a clear and logical approach, one finds oneself being hypocritical. What I mean is: no one has really mentioned too much that one version had that the other one was lacking in some form or other. It's not like anyone is stating which one was is crappy; no one has admitted that they totally dislike the other "Autobahn." To say the early "Autobahn" sounds like masterpiece without strong support is a pretty weak reason for one version to be "better." Personally, I think saying a song sounds like a masterpiece because it contains flutes, has multiple solos, changes tempo, and is over twenty minutes long is artistically and stereotypically biased. If Florian had whipped out his Bassoon, would the song have been any more of a "masterpiece?" How is a radio-sounding effect anymore artistic than supposedly yodeling computers? The way I see it, Kraftwerk must have already come to the realization of the ever growing impatient album listener. I doubt that they didn't have a Mix version that pushed twenty minutes. Obviously for some on the list, even the something like seven minutes is too long to wait through (i.e. to get to the synthesized vocal parts). I suppose it's only fair to admit that statement indirectly speaks well of the earlier and enormous "Autobahn." I would contrast the two by comparing individual aspects. For example, does anyone else agree that the vocals on the old version are rather weak and almost childlike (even compared to the vocals on the Radioactivity album)? Of course, this notion is understandable; to my knowledge, this song was one of the first attempts of Kraftwerk, a solely instrumental group, to write and sing lyrics. Funny I mention Huetter's singing, as I didn't want any part of the past Huetter/Bartos comparison argument. From a musician's standpoint, the early "Autobahn" has noticeable breaks and certain musical flaws. A clear example of a break is late in the song, right at the cut to the slowly sung part. Whereas, I believe some of these breaks to be intentional, this particular one was probably attributed by the use of crude analog equipment and poor mixing (adjoining the two, I'm sure recorded on different takes, movements together). Other more subtle examples of these seem to me more musically disastrous... notice at times when the music stops how, although keeping the same tempo, the beats are not in sync when the music restarts... resulting in adding a minute pause or perhaps fractional beat. As any knowledged musician would know (try writing the time signature for those flukes on sheet music or tracking it), small mistakes like that are more so felt by and throw the listener. It's comparable to a person who stutters. I would say that the early "Autobahn" has at least one thing over the later one: I enjoy how the vocals are dubbed. To me, multiple singers represent the nature of the lyrics well... isn't it plural in form? "We're going going going..." I'll admit as well, I think the original did a better job at synthesizing the sound of cars and such. But Hey! The Mix's version has real samples! I think the overall dynamics of the vocoded sung "Autobahn" part are better than the Mix's. I'll say now, I don't like either "Autobahn" better than the other. I enjoy them about the same. However, I know which one I play to impress my non-Kraftwerk listening friends (speaks for itself)... I, like Omega, used the Mix as a vent into the rest of Kraftwerk's material. ...and Hey! Kraftwerk has always stretched their necks out for the latest in technology to play with... What says they wouldn't have adopted the equipment used for the Mix on the original "Autobahn" if they had it? So... let's not contradict ourselves. btw: u still CAN'T "analogize(!?! you mean digitize)" nostalgia either, OJ!!! ;-) -then what can you do? makes me wonder... do our minds store our memories (nostalgically or not) in a considered analog form or some other strange and crazy way... Dief # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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